Hair Loss Prevention

I wasn't sure if my generic finasteride was legit - so I took 7.5mg one day. No libidio whatsoever... it's legit! back down to 2.5-5mg for me
 
i have read most of this thread....but i have some on-cycle questions and i'm looking for opinions:

i have MPB...a very slight temple recession that only i notice or care about. i cut my hair with a #1 and have since before i can remember, and it looks fine, so i'm told (no elephant-man head).

i never even knew i had MPB until a 1-ad/4-ad cycle in 2004 caused me to lose some ground. since then i have cycled a NUMBER of other compounds (test P/C/E/S, deca, tbol, sdrol, EQ, MOHN, PP, max-LMG, etc etc) while using dutasteride on-cycle ONLY, and i've not lost any ground (though some of them caused itching which compelled me to stop immediately - i know what itching means, i used MDHT for a week and saw just what strong androgens do to the MPB-prone!)

anyway, i stopped the dutasteride after my last LONG test/EQ cycle and have not gone back to it. i want to attack this problem topically, so i decided to go with the easiest solution: fluridil. i've only used it for about 2 weeks, during a short PCT/AI run, so i really cant comment on its effectiveness. i can say that if you have short hair, a 2mL amp lasts like 3-4 days, which makes it far more cost effective.

here's the question: what do yall think are my odds of using fluridil ONLY as hairloss prevention on my next cycle:

1-4 50mg dbol or 75mg drol (havent decided)
1-10 sust 875/week
1-10 bold cypionate 700mg/week
1-10 tren enan 350mg/week

is there any chance that fluridil can hold off tren-induced hairloss?? i know it will all be speculation....i am considering adding spiro to the mix, but not sure how to keep them from impacting the other topical.

TIA
 
Thats a tough question sameold. Ive never used Fluridil, but like you mentioned it should stave off tren-induced hair loss. Ive never known anyone to combine fluridil + sprio too,so you'd be a guinea pig there.

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
Thats a tough question sameold. Ive never used Fluridil, but like you mentioned it should stave off tren-induced hair loss. Ive never known anyone to combine fluridil + sprio too,so you'd be a guinea pig there.

BV
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yeah, i know it will just be guesses, but i am curious what the board thinks. thanks for having a go at it.

so...do you all think the topical spiro from, say, CEM or WHCP will go systemic? there appears to be some different results in that clinical study versus what that one guy found in his test results (staggering results for him, i must say)...did he say he used the cream or the liquid??

i know the CEM stuff comes in an alcohol carrier, and alcohol has a way of getting things to permeate the skin and get in the bloodstream...would the cream from WHCP, which has much less alcohol, be a better choice you reckon? i'm sure it would stay longer on the scalp (provided you didnt fool with it) and penetrate less, unless it has friggin phlojel or DMSO in it, which i doubt.

thoughts?
 
I'm revising whatever I said before.

1mg of Finasteride per 100mg of Testosterone.

It seems to make sense when we consider that the body will produce ~100mg of Test a week. Thus the dosage, 1mg (propecia) for those non-anabolic persons. I had been just cruising 250-350mg and 2.5mg of Finasteride kill the hairloss. Since upping the testosterone, hair starting falling out again.

i'll report back but i'm thinking for sure:
1mg Finasteride : 100mg of Test

*consider also, finasteride's half-life of 6-8hours. Split up your 2.5mg doses into 3 doses, with the 2nd dose being 5mg if you are running a gram.
 
Dutasteride, I was about to order some.. I changed my mind for now. I'm sticking with Finasteride 1mg:Testosterone 100mg


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From another board:

Im not going to answer any questions about Dutasteride, Im only posting this because everyone is pushing this as a new anti-hairloss drug.

Just an FYI about Dutasteride vs Finasteride. Dutasteride elminates 95% of the bodies DHT. Not good at all for so many reasons. Finasteride elminates 70% of the bodies DHT. Finasteride lowers DHT on the scalp by about 30% (where it counts). Dutasteride is better at the scalp by so little, its hardly worth mentioning. Dutasteride is a horrible compound to release on the public, like it will do any better on the hair. Deception.

DHT is an estrogen antagonist. Removal of that high of an amount will allow estrogen to run loco. Increasing the likelyhood of gyno.
Now I know they 'claim' low sides, but a 95% elmination of DHT is major. Them calling it superior for hair is true but deceiving. It is superior by a very small amount, certainly not worth what it does to your body. Excessive DHT is bad for the hair and prostate if you have a genetic predisposition to these things, but elminating too much DHT will have serious consequences. I think that people think that a DHT blocker on-cycle will be helpful in blocking androgenic effects.

.5mg pills of Avodart (dutasteride) is what it comes in, and yes it is bad to remove that much DHT from your body, and it wont make a difference on hair that you will see. 95% DHT is a lot. 2.5mg once a week is the usual dosing for hair.

* Duration of Side Effects

The greatest concern however, is the potential duration of side effects. The long half life of dutasteride exceeds 240 hours vs. the rather short 6 to 8 hours for finasteride. There have been some cases where the DHT levels were still had only returned to 25% of their original levels nearly a YEAR after having discontinued Dutasteride. As a result, any dangers or side effects that may be seen from Avodart, whether directly related or as a hypersensitive or allergic reaction may take literally months to resolve.

* Conversely, there is no biological model for 5AR type 1 deficiency, which Avodart creates, and there are measurable levels of 5AR-1 in the human brain. Conclusion -- the blockage of 5AR-1 may have yet unknown neurological implications.

* Remember Fen-Fen for weight loss? Personally, I do not want my patients to be the guinea pigs.

If you still want to take it after this, knock yourself out. I would not.

There are NO long term studies on Dutasteride.
 
Not to mention the half life to dutasteride is FIVE WEEKS.

Ill stick with Finasteride - great dosing scheme too, CED, Ill be following the same protocol.

BV
 
CEDeoudes59 said:
*consider also, finasteride's half-life of 6-8hours. Split up your 2.5mg doses into 3 doses, with the 2nd dose being 5mg if you are running a gram.
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I believe a single dose of fin steadily lowers dht levels for about 48 hours. So splitting up multiple times per day should not matter.
 
Just an update, picked up a 2oz bottle of refined Emu oil from Invalid Link Removed. Im going to be applying it to my scalp 2x per day. Makes the hair a little greasy, but I have black hair and Im Italian so it'll just look normal. Now where'd I put my gold chains??:D

BV
 
would finastride work woth test and spiro on nadrolone in a test deca cycle?blocking dht conversion then blocking deca at the hair root with spiro?
 
longtom74 said:
would finastride work woth test and spiro on nadrolone in a test deca cycle?blocking dht conversion then blocking deca at the hair root with spiro?
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You shouldnt use Finasteride with Deca, as DecaDuraBolin needs the 5AR enzyme to convert to DHN, which isnt so bad on the hair. If you block it, Deca will actually make you hair worse.
 
found a good price on Rx Dutasteride, so I orderred it.
 
Would Finasteride help with tren ace hairloss? I read here on the board that hairloss due to tren is not due to DHT, & Finasteride is a DHT inhibitor. I was told to use Spiro instead. Any thoughts/opinions?
 
Finasteride wont do jack for Tren induced hair loss. A general androgen blocker like spiro or fluridil is really your only option. I'd also recommend something to treat scalp inflammation - Im experimenting with Emu oil but havent been using it long enough to say if its effective.

BV
 
Would it be considered source posting if I asked you the best place to pick up some spiro or fluridil? Are there board sponsors that carry it?
 
xxtruxx1 said:
Would it be considered source posting if I asked you the best place to pick up some spiro or fluridil? Are there board sponsors that carry it?
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Invalid Link Removed carries spiro.
 
Update: Tren Enanthate + Test Enanthate

I have been on testosterone now for more than 3 weeks (started with prop and now am using enanthate at 500mg in divided doses each week).

I have also been injecting 500mg+ Tren enanthate per week now for 22 days. So far I have noticed no increase in shedding, and no noticeable hair loss.

I am also still using:

Finasteride 1+ mg ED
Topical spiro cream 1x ED, covering my whole scalp
Minoxidil 1xED
AA 1x ED

I have found it is best to apply the topical cream spiro to a damp head. It is tough to rub in through thick hair without doing so.

On average I'd say I miss a day or two a week and when my memory serves me better I do 2 applications a day. I feel as though I am starting to nocied the effects of tren but no hairloss from it.

I'll keep you update but right now I am nothing but happy with the results so far. For those of you looking to be able to run something like this without hairloss problems, this is a good sign.
 
Are there any other sites execpt minoxidil.com that you can recommend for online ordering? I dont respond well too spiro that I bought form that site. I shed just as much as before if not even more which sucks big time. Either I have elveated DHT, i dont respond or perhaps the spiro is defect/fake
 
Cardinal said:
Update: Tren Enanthate + Test Enanthate

I have been on testosterone now for more than 3 weeks (started with prop and now am using enanthate at 500mg in divided doses each week).

I have also been injecting 500mg+ Tren enanthate per week now for 22 days. So far I have noticed no increase in shedding, and no noticeable hair loss.

I am also still using:

Finasteride 1+ mg ED
Topical spiro cream 1x ED, covering my whole scalp
Minoxidil 1xED
AA 1x ED

I have found it is best to apply the topical cream spiro to a damp head. It is tough to rub in through thick hair without doing so.

On average I'd say I miss a day or two a week and when my memory serves me better I do 2 applications a day. I feel as though I am starting to nocied the effects of tren but no hairloss from it.

I'll keep you update but right now I am nothing but happy with the results so far. For those of you looking to be able to run something like this without hairloss problems, this is a good sign.
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very encouraging bro!

i'm not sure what the AA is in there for (considering the finasteride will block the vast majority of DHT production) but what the he11 - whatever works.

are you MPB prone? have you had some recession on previous cycles?
 
i'm not sure what the AA is in there for (considering the finasteride will block the vast majority of DHT production) but what the he11 - whatever works.
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AFAIK, Finasteride only actually blocks about 30-40% of the DHT in the scalp. AA is supposed to inhibit 100% of the DHT in the area that its applied. As there's no way to be sure, I would run both too:) The 'kitchen sink' approach seems to be the safest!

BV
 
same_old said:
very encouraging bro!

i'm not sure what the AA is in there for (considering the finasteride will block the vast majority of DHT production) but what the he11 - whatever works.

are you MPB prone? have you had some recession on previous cycles?
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I don't have enough evidence to say for sure that I am MPB prone. So to be conservative it would be best to assume I wouldnt' be having any trouble yet sans androgen usage.


I have definitely noticed recession as well as overall thinning on previous cycles. I have had problems with 4AD, M5AA, possibly M1T, Testosterone, Superdrol and Tren.

If I had to take an educated guess at what is working, I would strongly put my money on the spiro. It would be quite entertaining if I actually regrew some hair while I am on all this!
 
If I had to take an educated guess at what is working, I would strongly put my money on the spiro. It would be quite entertaining if I actually regrew some hair while I am on all this!
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Like mentioned before, I am very prone to MPB and never lost any hair on 1test/4AD using spiro...take that FWIW.

BV
 
that's surprising, 1-test/1-ad is a MPB timebomb for me
 
Cardinal good thing the topicals are working for u, as for me I have noticed none positive effect from the spiro. Do u mind posting some photos of your head from above and side?

Perhaps this question has been brought up before but azelaic acid is "suppose" to block 100% DHT u say! What is exactly meant by suppose u think, if aa could reach the hair follics, if it had longer half life ?
 
that's surprising, 1-test/1-ad is a MPB timebomb for me
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I know, it is odd especially since I consider my pattern for hairloss to be the 'worst case scenario' (thinning at both the front and vertex).

What dosages of 1-test did you run? I always kept it on the low side, usually no more than 166mg/day in a transdermal matrix.

When I do run 1-test again, Ill use an even lower dose, as sometimes that even seemed too strong.

In fact, I think that's one thing anyone prone to MPB should give some thought to when running anabolics: what is the minimum effective dose for you? For instance - running 150mg of 1-test/day might result in no hair loss and a good amount of gains. 250mg/day might result in slightly better gains, but be much harder on the hairline. The less androgens you have getting to that scalp tissue, the better IMO.

BV
 
Definitely, I don't even remember how much 1-test I would run.. a fair amount though, it's not worth it to me now though, gains seem to taper too quickly

It was the anabolic steroids (actually: 1-ad PH) that initially activated my MPB gene... I don't regret it though. I'm sticking with cruise&blast different esters of test because I can control that with finasteride (i think) for now. Until I get my hair fixed in the future -- it's not even noticible now.

hypothetical: I am running an AMP a day of Omna, probably for 5-8weeks.. then drop to (750mg), I'm about day 8. so far hairloss isn't up, but the long esters (hexonate/deconate, whatever they are called) haven't kicked in obviously
 
Definitely, I don't even remember how much 1-test I would run.. a fair amount though, it's not worth it to me now though, gains seem to taper too quickly
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I loved the gains off 1-test, but you're right, after 3 weeks they screeched to a halt at the doses I would use. Seems to be best for micro-cycles.

I havent cycled in a good while, but when I do it will be just enough test to get me through whatever plateau I happen to be hitting. Tren is something I wont even mess with:)

BV
 
Nomen said:
Cardinal good thing the topicals are working for u, as for me I have noticed none positive effect from the spiro. Do u mind posting some photos of your head from above and side?

Perhaps this question has been brought up before but azelaic acid is "suppose" to block 100% DHT u say! What is exactly meant by suppose u think, if aa could reach the hair follics, if it had longer half life ?
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Though I won't promise anything I may try and see if I have some very old before pics that I can post and blot out my face, when my hair was much thicker than it is now.

If I can get access to a digital camera, I will post the front and side pics also after some editing. I should probably just buy a camera honestly.
 
CEDeoudes59 said:
Definitely, I don't even remember how much 1-test I would run.. a fair amount though, it's not worth it to me now though, gains seem to taper too quickly

It was the anabolic steroids (actually: 1-ad PH) that initially activated my MPB gene... I don't regret it though. I'm sticking with cruise&blast different esters of test because I can control that with finasteride (i think) for now. Until I get my hair fixed in the future -- it's not even noticible now.

hypothetical: I am running an AMP a day of Omna, probably for 5-8weeks.. then drop to (750mg), I'm about day 8. so far hairloss isn't up, but the long esters (hexonate/deconate, whatever they are called) haven't kicked in obviously
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an amp a day? i take 1 omna EOD and i think THAT's alot...and i am 255lbs! and i got the effects within 2-3 days (mild euphoria, water, strength, libido, etc), but i am taking other things too, so i guess it isnt fair to judge...do you have the "western" ones, or the russian?

i believe the new formula uses decanoate...same as organon.

i was gonna say "yall are crazy to use 1-Test when you have MPB", but then i realized that the boldenone i am on converts to its brother, which is virtually the same thing...all this sh1t's making me nervous - i probably shouldnt risk my hairline, but test + finasteride is like a cessna, whereas test/dbol/bold/M-TRN is like an A10 :)

i'll probably go back to 2-week blast cycles after this run is over....but i LOVE TO JUICE!! maybe there's a 12-step program?
 
It's just a front load for the Omnas (jelfa, poland?). at 3amps a week it will take 5-6weeks to kick in.. and the prop/iso is wasted.. otherwise i'd do 3amps + dbol frontload - no orals for me though!

just a test monkey for the near future

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it's just a handful or more weeks of Omna ED, then M-W-F (750mg).
it's the only way to use sustanon/omnas if you aren't kickstarting with an oral or the 1/wk for HRT
in my opinion!
 
Just an update guys:

Ive been using the Emu oil for a little over a week now. I had originally planned on 2x per day application, but it just makes my hair look too greasy and even with a wife beater and the gold chains I can't handle it :P

Seriously, when my hair is wet/gelled it looks a bit thinner on the problem areas, so Ive opted for 1x per day at night, after the application of Minoxidil/AA.

Here's what Ive noticed:

1.) When dry, my hair looks a lot more full. It seems that the daily application of the Emu oil is giving it more body - I guess that goes to figure, as 'hot oil' treatments for hair are supposed to do that.

2.)The amount of hairs that come out in my hand when scrubbing my head in the shower & applying the topical treatments seems to be significantly reduced.. This could just be a coincidence, so Im not going to get excited about it yet - but you know when you have MPB you pay very close attention to the number of hairs that come out in your hand while in the shower, etc. Normally, with vigorous scrubbing it would be 4-8 hairs. Now, its more like 0-4.

Like I said, could just be coincidence. Looks promiising though, Ill update again in a couple weeks.

BV
 
Also, one of the laser diodes in my laser brush burned out. And I notice it gets HOT. Like hot enough to burn your finger if you touch it for any length of time. So be careful with that...Im going to order a replacement for Aixiz today.

BV
 
General question, might be stupid but...

Would shaving your head during a cycle prevent any kind of hair loss/thinning due to the hormones you are using? For example, say I was on a Test/Tren cycle & I shaved my head before & during cycle, would that have a positive effect at all on hair loss or would it be the same thing except I'd be shedding stubs instead of full length hair?
 
xxtruxx1 said:
General question, might be stupid but...

Would shaving your head during a cycle prevent any kind of hair loss/thinning due to the hormones you are using? For example, say I was on a Test/Tren cycle & I shaved my head before & during cycle, would that have a positive effect at all on hair loss or would it be the same thing except I'd be shedding stubs instead of full length hair?
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the hormone degrades the follicle, which is present regardless of hair length....so, no.
 
Although shaving your head would ensure more of whatever topical treatment you applied go absorbed into the scalp...

Best just to keep your hair short, IMO.

BV
 
I'm thinning pretty good here; I don't take any PH's or juice. It's all me, baby! I tried Costco's generic Rogaine, used it for over a month, and stopped. While using it, I had good regrowth, a bunch of little hairs coming in on my hairline (which its not supposed to do, according to the label).

The problem is this: it was greasy. My 4yo daughter ends up climbing in our bed a lot, and I hate to think she is getting that on her skin. I sweat like a pig, is it going to run all over the place with the sweat? I also hate the greasiness.

And I don't mind putting it on once a day, but the twice a day thing is annoying.

Is there something I could use to regrow hair that is not an issue as far as my kids, and that is used once a day? I know that's probably asking too much, but...

Thanks for any help! oh, I'm using Nizoral 2% every other day. Doesn't seem to do much.
 
Is there something I could use to regrow hair that is not an issue as far as my kids, and that is used once a day? I know that's probably asking too much, but...
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Finasteride, Nizoral, Laser Brush

And I don't mind putting it on once a day, but the twice a day thing is annoying.
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I understand where you're coming from man, but honestly if you're not willing to put in the effort/time/patience to be strict and dedicated with the various effective treatments - you'll just be wasting money and time.

However - everyone is different. If I dont put that minoxidil on 2x per day every day Ill pay for it. You might be able to get away with a small dose of FInasteride, Nizoral EOD and LLLT EOD. Worth a shot anyway!

BV
 
Yeah, I hear you. I just hate the high maintainance factor of it.

Finasteride makes me nervous, i think i'd rather just put up with the twice daily thing.

Is there any danger to transferring minoxidil to someone else through contact on the same pillow? Or to the minoxidil going somewhere it shouldn't by sweating (I mean I sweat a lot, is that stuff going to be running down my face, or is it mostly absorbed and it wouldn't be enough to matter)? Morefacial hair = bad. :lol:


Thanks for the reply, BTW.


Edit: I know you lose the hair you regrow within 6 months of quitting treatment. Do you lose more, or is it the same? There's no rebound effect, or some weird 'bald overnight' phenomenon, right?
 
Edit: I know you lose the hair you regrow within 6 months of quitting treatment. Do you lose more, or is it the same? There's no rebound effect, or some weird 'bald overnight' phenomenon, right?
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Depends on the person really. Generally, I think you'll lose whatever you gained, plus your hair will be at the level it would have been at if you had never used minoxidil in the first place. So it looks like you've lost more hair, but basically you've just lost whatever positive gains minoxidil made.

Is there any danger to transferring minoxidil to someone else through contact on the same pillow? Or to the minoxidil going somewhere it shouldn't by sweating (I mean I sweat a lot, is that stuff going to be running down my face, or is it mostly absorbed and it wouldn't be enough to matter)? Morefacial hair = bad.
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My guess would be the danger is minimal (see the minoxidil toxicology study above), but with a young child around I wouldnt take any chances. Switch to a different brand of minoxidil that has more of an alcohol base and isnt greasy. Dr.Lee or WWHP both fit the bill.

Finasteride makes me nervous, i think i'd rather just put up with the twice daily thing.
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If you want to start with the minimal amount of effort - try going with Nizoral and the LLLT EOD. No mess, nothing to apply really either. The Nizoral acts as a DHT inhibitor/anti inflammatory and the LLLT will help stimulate regrowth. Its worth a try - if its not working for you you can always add minoxidil later.

BV
 
Dr. Lee's Minoxidil is not oily
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Very true - its the best feeling minox/aa solution there is, IMHO. No doubt this is because of the addition of tocopherol (vitamin E). As an experiment, I tried squeezing a few VitaminE gelcaps into my bottle of WWHP minox - definitely feels a bit nicer on the scalp. Still not as good as Xandrox though.

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
Although shaving your head would ensure more of whatever topical treatment you applied go absorbed into the scalp...

Best just to keep your hair short, IMO.

BV
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agreed! plus it's easier to monitor loss/growth, IMO...and you will require less of your regrowth products, as you wont lose much on the hair shafts...not to mention short hair is easier to maintain and can actually "hide" some recession, at least by not drawing the eye to it....
 
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