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No useful experience on that , only guessing:I'm in a tricky spot, could use some advice from one of you smartie pants who knows more than me... Maybe smith_69 or hairygrandpa?
Need to start my next cycle in a week if I am going to get 8 weeks in before I have to travel for a week... Hate to have to wait until mid Feb to start it.
That said, I need to get a TRT blood test, because I'm now 95% sure I'm naturally low. Blood test after one month on Epidrone -
TT - 328.9 (348 - 1197)
LH - 2.2 (1.7 - 8.6)
FSH - 5.8 (1.5 - 12.4)
Estradiol - 14.1 (7.6 - 42.6)
and during final week of Epidrone/4-andro cycle were -
TT - 554 (348 - 1197)
LH - 1.8 (1.7 - 8.6)
FSH - 4.8 (1.5 - 12.4)
Estradiol - 8.6 (7.6 - 42.6)
After that, I ran Nolva 20/20/10/10 along with Endosurge. Finished that a week ago.
So, question is, how much in theory could the Nolva + Endosurge be affecting my TT a week after last dose. Nolva's half life is supposedly a week, so I'm hoping/thinking it's negligible as best. Anyone care to enlighten me?
what where your blood's after Nolva and endo? the last test shown above is during the last week of the cycle not including nolva, correct?I'm in a tricky spot, could use some advice from one of you smartie pants who knows more than me... Maybe smith_69 or hairygrandpa?
Need to start my next cycle in a week if I am going to get 8 weeks in before I have to travel for a week... Hate to have to wait until mid Feb to start it.
That said, I need to get a TRT blood test, because I'm now 95% sure I'm naturally low. Blood test after one month on Epidrone -
TT - 328.9 (348 - 1197)
LH - 2.2 (1.7 - 8.6)
FSH - 5.8 (1.5 - 12.4)
Estradiol - 14.1 (7.6 - 42.6)
and during final week of Epidrone/4-andro cycle were -
TT - 554 (348 - 1197)
LH - 1.8 (1.7 - 8.6)
FSH - 4.8 (1.5 - 12.4)
Estradiol - 8.6 (7.6 - 42.6)
After that, I ran Nolva 20/20/10/10 along with Endosurge. Finished that a week ago.
So, question is, how much in theory could the Nolva + Endosurge be affecting my TT a week after last dose. Nolva's half life is supposedly a week, so I'm hoping/thinking it's negligible as best. Anyone care to enlighten me?
Thanks, HGP. I'm more concerned with the Nolva anyway. The Endosurge is just a natty test booster, so I suspect it's effects stop pretty quickly.No useful experience on that , only guessing:
Your Nolva dose was a low dose IMHO, it will not show in the test. Don't know Endosurge, no comment on that.
The Nolva/Endo started the first day post cycle and I just finished PCT last week on vacation. Haven't had bloods since the final week on cycle. TRT doc offers consult and bloods for $45, so I figured why waste money getting them done myself on top of that.what where your blood's after Nolva and endo? the last test shown above is during the last week of the cycle not including nolva, correct?
the dose was about right for what he was using, if it was a longer acting steroid, the amount would/should have increased, but imo those doses were ok.No useful experience on that , only guessing:
Your Nolva dose was a low dose IMHO, it will not show in the test. Don't know Endosurge, no comment on that.
If your test is higher than before the cycle, after the low dose nolva and a OTC test booster, I'll eat my shorts.Thanks, HGP. I'm more concerned with the Nolva anyway. The Endosurge is just a natty test booster, so I suspect it's effects stop pretty quickly.
I just don't want to possibly take a borderline-low TT level and bump it into "acceptable" range and skew my TRT decision. Besides the test results, I have like every Low-T symptom minus ED (thank God ) so I suspect the Nolva and Endosurge would be something like getting blood from a stone. But before I decided to talk to a doc, I wanted to at least try and do things right, which is why I did PCT. But now this trip in Feb has me in a tight spot to fit everything in... Or just sit on my hands for 2 months and start up post trip. But who wants to wait!?
Ready the video cameraIf your test is higher than before the cycle, after the low dose nolva and a OTC test booster, I'll eat my shorts.
-or the blue shower cap.
Nah, before that, I would make the "Jill Stein" move...recount.Ready the video camera
Well played by the foreigner!Nah, before that, I would make the "Jill Stein" move...recount.
Cycle looks like a lot of fun! Seriously! IMHO, drop the 4-AD, trest is the base.Here's my next cycle starting mid next week if all goes well.
Products -
Cerberus v2 - 1-andro (85mg)/4-andro (85mg)/Epi-andro (150mg)
Tr3st - Trestobol oral (25mg)
Dermatrest - Trestobol transdermal (50mg/ml)
Dosing -
Cerberus 2 cap AM/1 cap Noon/1 cap PM
Tr3st 1 cap PWO (midday, usually)
Dermatrest 1ml AM/1ml PM
Exemestane 6.25mg EOD
That breaks down to -
1-andro 340/340/340/340/340/340/340/340
4-andro 340/340/340/340/340/340/340/340
Epi-andro 600/600/600/600/600/600/600/600
Trest 125/125/125/125/125/125/125/125
Support -
Spartan Shield - maybe not as good as cycle assist based on profile, but on sale and wanted to try something different. Also, less pills every day.
Exemestane - Ralox and Torem were recommended by a friend, but I couldn't find good dosing info before the sale ended. So I grabbed exem and will give it a shot.
The only thing that may change is possible TRT. Had prelim bloods done Friday. Hoping to meet doc next week. Looks like they typically prescribe 300mg test cyp every 2 weeks for 12 weeks, followed by 200mg for most patients. I don't think this would hurt anything except the probable need for higher dose exemestane.
Anyone care to critique the plan?
Thanks. The problem there is the 4-andro is included in a single capsule with 1-andro and epi-andro. Can't change that. Maybe I should dial back the trest to a lower dose out of the gate?Cycle looks like a lot of fun! Seriously! IMHO, drop the 4-AD, trest is the base.
Edit:
IMHO, not only is 4-ad unnecessary- as 4-AD converts also to E, it could mean trouble, as trest by itself aromatizes like crazy.
In that case, do it as planed but keep an eye on the E! 4-Ad can not substitute trest, do not lower trest.Thanks. The problem there is the 4-andro is included in a single capsule with 1-andro and epi-andro. Can't change that. Maybe I should dial back the trest to a lower dose out of the gate?
That said, I was on epi + 4 last cycle and my E was very low and I wasn't taking an AI. So it's just a question of how much more E will go up with 1-andro and trest added to the mix. I hadn't suspected it would go crazy, especially adding exem.
Itchiness, lol.Wow! I do have Nolva here as well. Had planned that for PCT. I planned only 25mg oral and 100 TD to hopefully keep E a little more under control.
What's the best way to keep an eye on E? I could get bloods but sometimes those take a week for results. By then I could be screwed. Only way to watch for a bump or itchiness of nipples?
Dang. That is scary. Brandinooooo was the one that mentioned he had itchiness when he skipped the exem.Itchiness, lol.
My nipples were in pain, I mean, like getting them pierced-pain. When a lump develops it's already a bit late, lol.
The weird thing is, since I already used adex at 0,5mg eod, I did not had oily skin -or acne, like normally when e is high. I had just plain pain in my nipples.
Nothing worked.
When the cycle was over, I had light gyno. I was wondering while looking in the mirror: "Is it, -or is that not? Gyno -or fat?"
Bought Ralox, took it for a month and .. voila, titts disappeared, it really was gyno.
My dosage was 100-150 TD and 45mg oral before workout.Wow! I do have Nolva here as well. Had planned that for PCT. I planned only 25mg oral and 100 TD to hopefully keep E a little more under control.
What's the best way to keep an eye on E? I could get bloods but sometimes those take a week for results. By then I could be screwed. Only way to watch for a bump or itchiness of nipples?
I was on TRT dosage of test when I used Ralox.Dang. That is scary. Brandinooooo was the one that mentioned he had itchiness when he skipped the exem.
Also, I'll be going on the cruise right after cycle. Do not need moobies on a cruise!
Did you try ralox on cycle or only after? Might have to go ahead and add that in up front. If nothing but just out of fear! ;-)
I'm here as well... your fcked man..In for the future derail which, if I may point out, you requested.
Will you post a pic of your shiny new jahooblies when you get them?Dang. That is scary. Brandinooooo was the one that mentioned he had itchiness when he skipped the exem.
Also, I'll be going on the cruise right after cycle. Do not need moobies on a cruise!
Did you try ralox on cycle or only after? Might have to go ahead and add that in up front. If nothing but just out of fear! ;-)
Only if they are shiny. And perky. You don't want to see saggies.Will you post a pic of your shiny new jahooblies when you get them?
Yes! And he should play with them and lick em!Will you post a pic of your shiny new jahooblies when you get them?
You are probably fine with only 25mg oral.Only if they are shiny. And perky. You don't want to see saggies.
Only if they are shiny. And perky. You don't want to see saggies.
Well, if you lick them they will be shiny, and if you play with them they will be perky, so looks like you got that coveredYes! And he should play with them and lick em!
A bit of caber and some sleep aid, Tren sides are nasty.habajaba if your about to get in TRT I'd hold off on the cycle till they get you dialed in.. you might go with supraphysiological t levels and the doc will cut you off or something... at least I'd be a little concerned by that
Anyway, did you in fact find any dermatrest? I finally gave up the hunt and bought some dermatren which I'm excited to run in a recomp.
I'm kinda at the drawing board trying to figure supports out...
That hurts man. My advice was useful. Sorta. Maybe a little.You guys are sick, but I love you!
And thanks HGP for throwing in some actual useful advice too. Bonus points for you, my friend.
Yeah I'm gonna have all sorts of gear I'll be staring at until June... which is gayer than a f@ggot at a d1ck paradePS......My order from OL UK showed up while I was up at my sons. I've been staring longingly at the bottles all night
I have no clue if I'll get on TRT or not. Bloods might be too high since it was only a week after last dose of Nolva on PCT. Should know more this week.habajaba if your about to get in TRT I'd hold off on the cycle till they get you dialed in.. you might go with supraphysiological t levels and the doc will cut you off or something... at least I'd be a little concerned by that
Anyway, did you in fact find any dermatrest? I finally gave up the hunt and bought some dermatren which I'm excited to run in a recomp.
I'm kinda at the drawing board trying to figure supports out...
That's just not right. What man can resist running a cycle. You must have low T. ;-)Yeah I'm gonna have all sorts of gear I'll be staring at until June... which is gayer than a f@ggot at a d1ck parade
Nah, no experience with Caber, SFreed or smith_69. hehehe.hairygrandpa do you have any experience with caber? I'm wondering if I should use it and how to dose it for a test e/dtren cycle...
lol I can't cycle again till mid march and my wife is due for baby #2 on 3/1... so I gotta wait a little... I wanna be able to get some sleep while on cycle... although, tren sides might actually help me out the first few monthsThat's just not right. What man can resist running a cycle. You must have low T. ;-)
I've been thinking of adding mast actually... my cycle isNah, no experience with Caber, SFreed or smith_69. hehehe.
But tried Trenavar (PH), gave me all the tren sides, since then I read a lot about tren and ancillaries.
Last thing I read was: Using mast with tren cuts tren sides. Caber is sort of mandatory.
I tried prami, because it's way cheaper than caber. Prami for me is "Azz-rape in a bottle", the sides are torture.
Apply hand sanitizer to the application site once the TD driesWhile we're talking about how dangerous trest is. I read somewhere the other day that it's real dangerous for wives and kids to touch your skin after applying dermatrest, even after drying. Even just soiled shirts.
Anyone ever have issues? Any strategies for avoiding contact as much as possible? Not sure how you keep your wife from touching your skin when you... Well... You know!
Hahaha, have a short story on that.While we're talking about how dangerous trest it. I read somewhere the other day that it's real dangerous for wives and kids to touch your skin after applying dermatrest, even after drying. Even just soiled shirts.
Anyone ever have issues? Any strategies for avoiding contact as much as possible? Nog sure how you keep your wife from touching your skin when you... Well... You know!
Wow, that's an awesome cutting-recomp cycle!I've been thinking of adding mast actually... my cycle is
1-8 dtren 90mg
1-12 Test E 500mg
1-12 T3 50-100mcg (bump at wk 5)
7-14 Anavar 50mg
I'm thinking of adding 300-500mg of mast e wks 1-12 and 500ui of HCG/week throughout.
Exem eod too
Is that why you had a shower cap in your old avi?Hahaha, have a short story on that.
Was having passionate sex with my wife -suddenly, in the middle of it, I remembered the dermatrest I used just before.
Coitus interruptus! Abort- Abort! Dragged my yelling wife under the shower. I think she is damaged for life from this experience. LOL
Actually I wanted to pick your brain about Peptides... would adding in IGF or cjc w/dac help me get better gains while leaning out?Wow, that's an awesome cutting-recomp cycle!
I'm still reluctant to use Tren, will try again in a few weeks when the "sides induced panic" subsides.
Damaged from the shower incident, or from the passionate sexHahaha, have a short story on that.
Was having passionate sex with my wife -suddenly, in the middle of it, I remembered the dermatrest I used just before.
Coitus interruptus! Abort- Abort! Dragged my yelling wife under the shower. I think she is damaged for life from this experience. LOL
If you don't mind my asking... How does that help?Apply hand sanitizer to the application site once the TD dries
Yeah, transdermal androgenic hormones should be limited in contact with females. Transdermal typically become contained within the skin within 10-20 minutes of drying. At this point, anything that isn't in the skin, most likely will stay on the surface of your skin and can be transmitted to others.While we're talking about how dangerous trest is. I read somewhere the other day that it's real dangerous for wives and kids to touch your skin after applying dermatrest, even after drying. Even just soiled shirts.
Anyone ever have issues? Any strategies for avoiding contact as much as possible? Not sure how you keep your wife from touching your skin when you... Well... You know!
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