like i said, not everyone responds to everything... but how did i make the gains i made with it if its no good?? and why do so many others absolutely love it? so if it didn't work for you, thats fine and understandable... but i think my log speaks volumes on how good it CAN BE...
I'm going to say this as diplomatically as possible.
You're a NTBM rep so that makes your log carry a little less weight than non-reps. I'm just talking perception. It's like a Ford salesman telling you how much he loves his Ford. You automatically take that with a grain of salt, right?
But, the bigger issues is the culture at AM. This has been discussed before so I'd rather this thread not digress into the subject. But I challenge you to find a log of a product made by a board sponsor which has a negative result. We all know that the vast majority of supplements targeted at body building are a joke. There are very few things that actually work. But just about every log you see here is positive (often with incredible results in a short period) and so it's hard to it's hard to know what you can trust. It's like every single person is either a rep or trying to become a rep. Or at the very least reporting great results in their logs so that they'll get free product for future logs.
I'd be happy to get the same results from H-Drol that people here claim to get from garbage like Pink Magic.
I think there are a lot of smart and experienced people here so AM can be a good place to get advice and information but I have a really hard time trusting any of the product logs/reviews because they seem overwhelmingly positive and thus biased. Same problem that the bodybuilding magazines have. You'll never read a negative review there either.
Based on past discussions about this I know that some people will agree and some will disagree. I really don't want to get into a debate about this. But I know that Helladrol didn't work for me and I'm looking for a different alternative to H-Drol.
nvm my iphone was not pulling up your log for some reason... i apologize LA it is still there--not deleted... and yea you certainly can delete threads
i have a question though... your hdrol cycle was considered a success by you... did you get the results you expected from hdrol?
You're right, I now see the option to delete threads under the Administrative menu. Didn't notice it before and have never used it.
H-Drol is pretty mild. I don't think I really knew what to expect in my first cycle, which is what you've been referring to. My goal was to recomp so I was not eating as much as most people do while on a cycle and did a ton of cardio. I still managed to put on a few pounds, decrease fat and I definitely had an unnatural increase in strength. But not off the charts. Plus IIRC I got sciatica on that first cycle which really limited me for a while. Of course I would have liked to put on more muscle and lose more fat but it was a learning experience and I wasn't disappointed.
On my second cycle I knew a little better what to expect and was a little smarter. I ate more did less cardio and bulked up more than the first cycle. I didn't log that cycle so details are harder to recall but I felt an even bigger surge of strength during the cycle and was happy with it. But nothing earth shattering like more serious gear would give me.
My third cycle was Helladrol. I ate even more than in my second cycle and did either the same amount of cardio or possibly a little less. But the surge of strength never came and my gains were about the same as what I'd naturally get in the same amount of time. As I said, I wanted results so badly that I pushed myself to what felt like the brink of injury. I do one cycle a year and really look forward to it so it was very frustrating to have no gains.
I'm not the most experienced PH/gear user but I've been lifting regularly for a good 15-20 years with good results so I'm not new to training. And this being my third cycle I was realistic about what to expect.
My disappointment with Formastanzol in PCT made me all the more annoyed about the ineffective Helladrol cycle. Formastanzol doses are measured by a certain number of pumps. Unfortunately no two pumps produce the same amount of product. Some pumps give you less than a grain of white rice and some pumps give you more than a half inch. How are you supposed to use this product when the drug delivery mechanism is so erratic? I'd rather not get into a discussion about this in this thread -- I feel like we've hijacked it enough already -- but my experience with these two NTBM products left me very sour on the company.
