OrganicShadow
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Sometimes weight gainers or occasional huge cheats meals are difficult but havent really had much a problem this year. Gut Health for gains!
GUT CHECK! Gettin my system top notch with Gut Health (Sponsored)
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MM11
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I hear ya! I'm waiting for my new years nutra package. I took advantage of the awesome price on gut health.
Alpha Mind
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I've never taken any Genomyx products and am sure the rest of their line is high quality, but as someone who has extensive experience with GI health and GI supplements, I have to say 3.25 billion CFU and only 5 strains is seriously weak. In fact, it's probably the weakest probiotic supplement I've ever seen. I'm not trying to hate or call anyone out here, but a giant blue ad across the top of this forum, which takes you to a product page with misleading information merits being addressed by someone who knows what they're talking about.
Specifically, for metioning the phrase protein farts and absorbtion in the same paragraph, on the product page for a probiotic supplement, I think it's very important to clarify a few things...
1. Nutrient absorbption is the primary function of the small intestine.
2. The large intestine absorbs the remaining water (roughly 20%) and eliminates the waste.
3. Most cultures from probiotics supplements will end up in the large intestine (colon)
4. If you need to improve nutrient absorption, you need to be taking L-glutamine in powder form, on an empty stomach, usually upon waking and before bed.
5. If you have protein farts, you should be take enzymes to improve digestion.
I'll say it again, a 3.25 billion CFU with only 5 strains is weak. It's about the same as the yogurt I eat, meaning you need to be swallowing a LOT of those capsules to get any kind of dose that's even remotely close to being considered efficacious. Probiotics do assist in nutrient and/or waste breakdown, but mostly, they work symbiotically with your body to support a health immune response.
If you're going to take a probiotic, get something with at least 15 billion CFU and preferably 8 strains or more.
The best supplement "stack" for optimal GI health is:
Probiotic (15 billion or higher, ideally 8 bil. CFU or higher)
L-Glutamine powder (5,000mg per severing or higher)
A quality enzyme supplement
A quality fish oil supplement
Specifically, for metioning the phrase protein farts and absorbtion in the same paragraph, on the product page for a probiotic supplement, I think it's very important to clarify a few things...
1. Nutrient absorbption is the primary function of the small intestine.
2. The large intestine absorbs the remaining water (roughly 20%) and eliminates the waste.
3. Most cultures from probiotics supplements will end up in the large intestine (colon)
4. If you need to improve nutrient absorption, you need to be taking L-glutamine in powder form, on an empty stomach, usually upon waking and before bed.
5. If you have protein farts, you should be take enzymes to improve digestion.
I'll say it again, a 3.25 billion CFU with only 5 strains is weak. It's about the same as the yogurt I eat, meaning you need to be swallowing a LOT of those capsules to get any kind of dose that's even remotely close to being considered efficacious. Probiotics do assist in nutrient and/or waste breakdown, but mostly, they work symbiotically with your body to support a health immune response.
If you're going to take a probiotic, get something with at least 15 billion CFU and preferably 8 strains or more.
The best supplement "stack" for optimal GI health is:
Probiotic (15 billion or higher, ideally 8 bil. CFU or higher)
L-Glutamine powder (5,000mg per severing or higher)
A quality enzyme supplement
A quality fish oil supplement
dsade
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Some of your claims are subjective opinion and some of your claims are patently incorrect. First this-
3. Most cultures from probiotics supplements will end up in the large intestine (colon)
This is simply incorrect. The final colonization area is strain-dependent. Strains such as the Lacto strains (the most common in homo sapiens) primarily colonizes the small intestine. Other strains (like the bifido strains) colonize the large intestine.
To compare the quality of a product simply on number of CFUs is ridiculous. Each particular strain has an effect, and it is not necessary (nor even desirable) to overwhelm the gut with huge numbers of different species. Balance is the key. Yogurt contains bifidobaceterium as well as usually a strain of lactobacillus (namely casei). To compare that simple product to a specialized blend like Gut Health is insufficient.
Original Gut Health contained a mere 1 billion CFU (of a singular strain) and is overwhelmingly one of THE most potent probiotic products ever developed. New Gut Health is superior, even if we had to increase the number of CFU needed as well as vary the number of strains. To close - no, more is NOT necessarily better, as our customers that have used the other products for comparison can attest.
Alpha Mind
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You can claim subjective opinion all you want, but a large majority of practitioners, who are experts in the field, align with this "opinion."
Colonization is strain-dependent, but that doesn't mean that statement is incorrect. I said most, not all.
Quality yogurt (specifically, what I'm eating) will often contain more than two strains, but that's subjective to the product.
To call your product one of THE most potent probiotics ever developed is just ridiculous. What are you using as a gague for potency?
I'm not doubting that your product helps people. I think everyone should take probiotics. I'm just saying that 3.25 CFU across 5 strains is very low.
Alpha Mind
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I'm glad you're selling out of it. That's great. I'm just calling it as it is. High sales doesn't mean it's the most potent, or most efficacious probiotic ever developed.
If it's helping people, that's great and you guys should be happy about that.
I haven't browsed your site for it, so you may already have it, but it might not be a bad idea to throw together a total GI repair kit, consisting of what I mentioned above. There aren't many out there, at least that are solid directly to consumers. I'm sure it'd be a high-margin package and there are thousands of people that could benefit from that. Something to consider.
dsade
NutraPlanet Fanatic
Man, I hate trying to update from my phone.
Anyway, we are putting a total Gut Health package together for both Whole Foods and QVC, including a digestive enzyme product.
Alpha Mind
New member
If you're going into Whole Foods, be sure to check out the current offerings from Renew Life. Quality GI health products, but their professional line (Advanced Naturals) is much better. I don't know if they have a package like we're talking about, but they are the brand to beat in that store. They relentlessly test their packaging, move a LOT of volume through Whole Foods and get preferential placement on the shelves as a result.
Alpha Mind
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I don't have time to pull any white papers right now. PM if you want better data. The following is from USProbiotics.org:
"The microbes present in the gastrointestinal tract have the potential to act in a positive, negative or neutral manner. Due to unfavorable conditions, microbes are not very prevalent in the stomach or upper small intestine. However, toward the lower small intestine, they begin to attain higher populations (106-108/gram of small intestinal contents) and in the colon they constitute about 1011-1012/gram of colon contents (a very large number)."
106-108 = 10 to the 6th - 10 to the 8th
1011-1012 = 10 to the 11th - 10 to the 12th
Just didn't paste correctly.
I wouldn't develop formulatons based on this statement; the data I have shows slightly higher populations than that in the colon.
ryanp81
Well-known member
Alpha I think it's good to go that your posting all this info for us to be seen but for you to say that brandishing a huge blue banner that has no merit for a product that is rather underdosed IYO and then for you to say that your someone that knows probiotics without any merit of your background makes you sound arrogant, I'm gonna be biased towards the genomyx line just due to the fact that I've been using gut health since it first came out about 5 years ago when it was under the RPN line and am using it this moment and nothing I mean nothing has helped me more for my stomach....I've tried the alleged doctors high dose protocols of probiotics, digestive enzymes and so forth and IMO more isn't always better....but what do I know I'm just a uneducated poster without any merit but I did stay at a holiday inn.