Great Video on 9/11

CNorris said:
911 Conpiracy sheep are the lowest form of human life. Lower than Hitler, Lower than Child Molestors.
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Hmmm...questioning what your government new about or how they handled a national tragedy is equivalent to trying to exterminate a race of people or molesting a kid? Yeah that makes sense.:think: :fool2:
 
jarhead said:
Hmmm...questioning what your government new about or how they handled a national tragedy is equivalent to trying to exterminate a race of people or molesting a kid? Yeah that makes sense.:think: :fool2:
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this is what i was thinking, just with smaller words. lol.
 
MaynardMeek said:
even more of a reason why when you add all those "facts" together it doesn't produce a good theory. If they did.. the media whos heart is beating only to put a liberal back in office, would use the governments own information against them... either all of these "facts" are nothing more than by chance happenings, or.. the entire left media is behind the VRWC as well....
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Do you know that there are clearing houses for "information"? 5 of them for the entire planet? That's information control right there, and BIG TIME. The collective mindset is the result of whatever "information" is cleared and polls point to exactly how well this works. In turn, politicians use all this to their advantage. Citizen = sheep. Grow the sheep, work the sheep, eat the sheep. Do you think those people have no stupid superiority complex? They have ultragod complexes. If you knew high level politicians personally you would see this very very clearly. Power = ultimate drug.

jarhead said:
I don't believe for a second that the media is largely anti government or republican. Rarely is our current administration held truly accountable for anything by anyone in the media other than Jon Stewart.

Did you look at the link I posted? I'm not even trying to prove any "conspiracy". I pointed out what our government regards as acceptable actions. When you guys write off questioning 9/11 as being loony, keep in mind the government has ,from their own mouths, suggested staging these types of attacks on our own people in the past. How do you completely ignore that? It's not a theory, it is a matter of public record.
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People want to defend their beliefs before facing reality, day in, day out. This is one constant which you can count on, ALWAYS. Some people know this and they make sure the masses all believe certain things, such as the holiness of their governments. How could the people in power not do this? They love their power, it makes them feel superior and out of that superiority comes the illusion of the right to make you believe they are doing the right thing, which of course lets you let them have MORE power. That's what they want, and that's what they get. That they split into a facade of two different camps, republicans, democrats, with seemingly opposing views and agenda, and seem to hate and disagree with each other, only cocntiributes to their ability to spread illusion and control the masses.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

That's right, the masses want to believe something else, and they suspend critical rationality in favor of their sacred beliefs.

BioHazzard said:
Read any newspaper lately? :lol: Did you by any chance miss the current fiaco NY Times is caught up in?


Look, you need to understand some basic things. Government makes contingency plans. They play what-if scenarios. They play devil's advocates. We have military plans for conquering Canada. We have military contingency plans for attacking and defeating every nation, including our friends and allies. None of that means ****. The Canucks and the Brits are not losing any sleep over that.

You don't make a mountain out of molehills.

Questioning 911 has only been done by loonies. What do you think that is so? Why isn't there any engineer, any engineering firms, any research institutes in either the USA OR the rest of the world questioning 911?? Why is it that those who question 911 don't have any professional qualification?

Right... there is this global conspiracy involving every engineers on earth.....:yawn:

P/S I am not referring to you as a loonie, Jarhead. Anyone who has served our country, is cool by me. :cheers:
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Conquerring Canada would be easy: Just put out a memo stating that as of now, the 10 provinces of Canada are part of the USA.

And it's funny that you state that people who question 911 have no professional qualifications. Go to Finnish, Swedish, German, Dutch, French, Turkish or Japanese websites and see high-level Ph.D's in materials physics and such proving left right and middle how the whole thing is a hoax.

Not people with official titles in the USA, no. Ever wonder why? Isn't it strange? Maybe the associations they are part of want to avoid seeming non-patriotic? Bad press?

CNorris said:
911 Conpiracy sheep are the lowest form of human life. Lower than Hitler, Lower than Child Molestors.
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Here's a case of suspending any rational thought in favor of rabid belief defence. There are millions of these just in the USA.
 
Believing in something false, in my opinion, is no where near the level of horror that was caused by Hitler's actions or that of a child molester's.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Believing in something false, in my opinion, is no where near the level of horror that was caused by Hitler's actions or that of a child molester's.
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What about telling a truth that others can't accept?
 
Or that. While some beliefs I find laughable I think I should learn to step back more and look at the whole picture. Sometimes it's your own beliefs that are the ones to laugh at.

As far as 911 goes? Until I get to the level of information needed to know without a doubt. I'll go with the one that doesn't involve making up an airplane over a US plane or missile. that isn't to say this couldn't of been planned out by our gov't but i've been trained and worked around enough explosives and such that I find it hard to believe it was a missile that went through that building.
 
Grunt76 said:
Do you know that there are clearing houses for "information"? 5 of them for the entire planet? That's information control right there, and BIG TIME. The collective mindset is the result of whatever "information" is cleared and polls point to exactly how well this works.
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One word : WOW... :D :D :lol:

Please tell us who these "5" clearing houses for "information" are?

For all you know, I belong to one of them... :study:



....And it's funny that you state that people who question 911 have no professional qualifications. Go to Finnish, Swedish, German, Dutch, French, Turkish or Japanese websites and see high-level Ph.D's in materials physics and such proving left right and middle how the whole thing is a hoax.

Not people with official titles in the USA, no. Ever wonder why? Isn't it strange? Maybe the associations they are part of want to avoid seeming non-patriotic? Bad press?
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Just because the foreigners too have nuts over there, does not make their nuts any more credible than the nuts in America. We have a couple of nutjobs at several universities who claimed 911 is a conspiracy too. That does not mean squat. Nutjobs with whacky phd titles are a dine a dozen over in Europe. The question is what fields their phd are actually in. I can get you a dozen of phd's and professors any day, if you need to. I can't guarantee you if you wouldn't be laughed out of town with this bunch of loonies tho. The point is, just b/c someone claims to be a professor or a phd, does not mean anything.

Please name some of those established engineering firms and institutes that have proved that 911 is a hoax.

Yeah, why is it no engineering school or reserach institute here supported conspiracy bs? Please don't tell us they are all intimidated by the Illuminati and the Lizzard people...

A sure sign of the conspiracy insanity hitting the ceiling is when they twist the most damning evidence into another conspiracy itself. But then again, that is the nature of conspiracy theory. Everything IS a conspiracy. Anything that refutes your conspiracy theory, IS itself another conspiracy to refute your conspiracy theory. Therefore, the conspiracy theorists are always right, for the simple irrefutable truth that anything that debunks a conspiracy IS in itself another conspiracy. :D :D

WOW... I am glad I have this conspiracy thingy finally figured out!! :woohoo:


Here's a case of suspending any rational thought in favor of rabid belief defence. There are millions of these just in the USA.
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Are there that many conspiracy nuts?
 
Jayhawkk said:
Or that. While some beliefs I find laughable I think I should learn to step back more and look at the whole picture. Sometimes it's your own beliefs that are the ones to laugh at.

As far as 911 goes? Until I get to the level of information needed to know without a doubt. I'll go with the one that doesn't involve making up an airplane over a US plane or missile. that isn't to say this couldn't of been planned out by our gov't but i've been trained and worked around enough explosives and such that I find it hard to believe it was a missile that went through that building.
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You must be part of the conspiracy perpetuated by the 5 clearing houses.....
 
Grunt76 said:
What about telling a truth that others can't accept?
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Just because you insist on calling something a truth, doesn't make it so.

You need to prove it and not just claim it to be a truth.

For example, about that "5" global information clearing houses that control every information on earth... Show us some proof... :D :D Do you by any chance get all this from that movie called Brotherhood of the Rose? :D :D There is some global conspiracy that is the central theme of the movie. A great spy thriller! Highly recommended.
 
AP UP WP Bloomberg and Reuters - I think. I don't keep them memorized just for just in case I need to appear smart. Know that "information" is very controlled - at least what goes on in the mainstream media, which creates an extreme uniformity in all the mainstream media and a fairly large gap between the mainstream stuff and the "information" that isn't.

Note that I use quotes around "information" in *BOTH* cases, as there is actual misinformation, disinformation, noise and crap as well as information both in the mainstream and in the non-mainstream media.

That gap between these two "information worlds" solidifies the view of most people that views other than what is reported in the mainstream is of crazy people with tin foil hats. Heck, even Ph.D's are worthless if they don't stick to the mainstream, controlled, programmed view of things. In your words.
 
Grunt76 said:
AP UP WP Bloomberg and Reuters - I think. I don't keep them memorized just for just in case I need to appear smart. Know that "information" is very controlled - at least what goes on in the mainstream media, which creates an extreme uniformity in all the mainstream media and a fairly large gap between the mainstream stuff and the "information" that isn't.

Note that I use quotes around "information" in *BOTH* cases, as there is actual misinformation, disinformation, noise and crap as well as information both in the mainstream and in the non-mainstream media.

That gap between these two "information worlds" solidifies the view of most people that views other than what is reported in the mainstream is of crazy people with tin foil hats. Heck, even Ph.D's are worthless if they don't stick to the mainstream, controlled, programmed view of things. In your words.
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"..In your words..." huh? Please don't put words in my mouth. I have never said any of what you posted.

Other the than that, I think I should just bow out of conspiracy topics. :D :D
 
That gap between these two "information worlds" solidifies the view of most people that views other than what is reported in the mainstream is of crazy people with tin foil hats
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I don't outside of mainstream is the reason as much as outside of logic or common sense, in a lot of cases.

Don't get me wrong. Some theories seem pretty believable on the surface and even some seem solid inside and out but there are a lot of them that are just sugar coated nonsense.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Some theories seem pretty believable on the surface and even some seem solid inside and out but there are a lot of them that are just sugar coated nonsense.
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I agree.

I also agree that believing everything the media spoon-feeds us is MUCH easier than trying to gain access to more truth than what they provide.
 
I second guess any media driven information. I've seen too many stories given attention grabbing titles to have a completely different sub story or personal bias used to selectively chose words to lean the so called 'news article' to their beliefs or political platoform.

Lazy people accept what is given as face value. That goes for both the mainstream audience and the conspiracy audience. Both are filled with gullible, ignorant, sheep :)
 
Jayhawkk said:
I second guess any media driven information. I've seen too many stories given attention grabbing titles to have a completely different sub story or personal bias used to selectively chose words to lean the so called 'news article' to their beliefs or political platoform.

Lazy people accept what is given as face value. That goes for both the mainstream audience and the conspiracy audience. Both are filled with gullible, ignorant, sheep :)
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I agree. Well, then, I guess I don't get to argue with you. :D
 
max silver said:
Wow that's some forward thinking on your part.
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:icon_lol:

Yeah that may be over doing it a bit. But I really do think that 911 conspiracy nuts are just plain pathetic.

These childish illuminati/NWO theories have been around at least since the 80's. Now fools are using 911 to advance them. You realize what was the theorized for the illuminati/free masons method to take over the world before 911 happened? Feminism! :icon_lol:
Im not making this up. Alex Jones, the propaghandist who makes most of these "documentaries" is a nutjob liberal. He has made countless anti republican/anti conservative films. This guy is even more pathetic than Michael Moore, because his theories are flat out dangerous. Its one thing to spread political lies, its another to accuse your own country of killing 3000 of its own citizens with NO conclusive evidence. All of his "evidence" is easily countered. Fact is some pathetic people want to believe Bush is behind 911. Their political feelings are that strong.

I have seen ubiased documentaries on cable, surely made with people who hate Bush's politics. Countless witnesses, scientists, politicians have explained every moment of that tragic day. These theories dont hold up to any objective scrutiny.

wikipedia said:
Christopher Hitchens represents conspiracy theories as the 'exhaust fumes of democracy', the unavoidable result of a large amount of information circulating among a large number of people. Other social commentators and sociologists argue that conspiracy theories are produced according to variables that may change within a democratic (or other type of) society.

Conspiratorial accounts can be emotionally satisfying when they place events in a readily-understandable, moral context. The subscriber to the theory is able to assign moral responsibility for an emotionally troubling event or situation to a clearly-conceived group of individuals. Crucially, that group does not include the believer. The believer may then feel excused of any moral or political responsibility for remedying whatever institutional or societal flaw might be the actual source of the dissonance.[12]
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"...Christopher Hitchens represents conspiracy theories as the 'exhaust fumes of democracy', the unavoidable result of a large amount of information circulating among a large number of people..."

He is wrong. Conspiracy theories are the domain of simple minds. (Present company excluded, of course.) Their presence has nothing to do with democracy. In many of the non-democratic countries where democracy is nothing more than just pie in the sky, conspiracy theories sprout like weed in the spring.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Not one person can claim that there have never been a conspiracy.
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Nobody except for BioHazzard of course :trout:

Bio, do you happen to work in a government position or something similar? I seem to have an easy time imagining you being as a black suit wearing "problem solver" type who makes people who ask too many of the wrong types of questions disappear. Mel Gibson in the Conspiracy Theory comes to mind as somebody you would eliminate. :run:
 
BioHazzard said:
"...Christopher Hitchens represents conspiracy theories as the 'exhaust fumes of democracy', the unavoidable result of a large amount of information circulating among a large number of people..."

He is wrong. Conspiracy theories are the domain of simple minds. (Present company excluded, of course.) Their presence has nothing to do with democracy. In many of the non-democratic countries where democracy is nothing more than just pie in the sky, conspiracy theories sprout like weed in the spring.
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Well the difference is that in a dictatoriship type society, the conpiracy theory weeds are plucked out of the ground. In American, the weeds flourish and spread.
 
max silver said:
Nobody except for BioHazzard of course :trout:

Bio, do you happen to work in a government position or something similar? I seem to have an easy time imagining you being as a black suit wearing "problem solver" type who makes people who ask too many of the wrong types of questions disappear. Mel Gibson in the Conspiracy Theory comes to mind as somebody you would eliminate. :run:
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You have been watching too many movies, my friend. :D
 
Jayhawkk said:
Not one person can claim that there have never been a conspiracy.
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Of course there are conspiracies. The jails are full of people convicted of conspiracy to commit crimes.

Conspiracy theories are horse of a different color.
 
CNorris said:
Well the difference is that in a dictatoriship type society, the conpiracy theory weeds are plucked out of the ground. In American, the weeds flourish and spread.
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That is true, of course. There is another side tho. In brutal regimes, you are encouraged to sprout conspiracy theories about how your current miseries are the result of Western conspiracies to oppress you and corrupt you.
 
Those guys that are in jail were there because of a conspiracy theory, most likely :)

Seriously though, some are indeed whacky but some do have merit to them.
 
From that link,

this one is for you, Jarhead.... :D

"...For anyone interested in a point-by-point debunking of some of the most popular conspiracy theories out there (like the fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C), check out the following links:

Popular Mechanics
Loose Change guide .."

You can rest well now...:D lol
 
BioHazzard said:
From that link,

this one is for you, Jarhead.... :D

"...For anyone interested in a point-by-point debunking of some of the most popular conspiracy theories out there (like the fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C), check out the following links:

Popular Mechanics
Loose Change guide .."

You can rest well now...:D lol
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Dammit, why won't this thread just die?!:lol:
 
Yep, just like o...Oh **** the black copters are here!!!!!

They're her...

There is nothing wrong with our government. It is here to help us and to care for us. It does everything for us.
 
jarhead said:
Dammit, why won't this thread just die?!:lol:
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That is pathetic. lol Now that your pet theory is up in smoke and you wanna hide the whole thing? C'mon! Have the decency to admit that your pet theory of that jet fuel thingy is up in smoke. :D
 
BioHazzard said:
That is pathetic. lol Now that your pet theory is up in smoke and you wanna hide the whole thing? C'mon! Have the decency to admit that your pet theory of that jet fuel thingy is up in smoke. :D
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Fine you got me, I'll jump in:lol: - while the steel temp thing may be true, each support beam was not heated evenly, at the same heat, for the same amount of time in order to cause a perfectly vertical collapse at free fall speed. It doesn't prove or disprove anything. And not knowing how long the infrastructure was exposed to what temperatures make it impossible to prove either way, so it's all speculation. At least that's the way I see it. Actually after too many debates like this, I now just stick to things that we know to be true, such as the governments prior knowledge of the attacks, failure of our air defenses, where the funding came from, the governments documented willingness to stage such attacks and sacrifice U.S. civilians for political motives (Operation Northwoods- cough cough) and stuff like that. There is enough incriminating evidence on the governments part that shows they had prior knowledge of the attacks and did nothing, or at the very best, failed miserabley in their duties. Crap, I thought I could resist the dangling carrot on the string.:D
 
C'mon. You have just swapped the jet fuel expert hat for a structural engineer hat. :D :D You may not know the specific about time and temp exposure of the beams, but other experts do. And changes in sealing the beams with better insulation have already been incorporated in new constructions since then.

You just can't admit that you have been wrong on your pet theory about jet fuel burning temp vs steel melting point temp, can you? :D :D

I notice how you sense that the structural engineer hat is going to be blown away any time, you have gotten yourself a spare hat, just in case. This one has a label that says "the government knew 911 was coming." LOL :D I bet that one is harder to be blown away by the casual wind. lol
 
BioHazzard said:
C'mon. You have just swapped the jet fuel expert hat for a structural engineer hat. :D :D You may not know the specific about time and temp exposure of the beams, but other experts do. And changes in sealing the beams with better insulation have already been incorporated in new constructions since then.

You just can't admit that you have been wrong on your pet theory about jet fuel burning temp vs steel melting point temp, can you? :D :D

I notice how you sense that the structural engineer hat is going to be blown away any time, you have gotten yourself a spare hat, just in case. This one has a label that says "the government knew 911 was coming." LOL :D I bet that one is harder to be blown away by the casual wind. lol
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It 's not MY pet theory, but noone could possibly know exactly how the jet fuel was distributed inside the structure after impact. They would have to have been inside, seen it,and lived thru it. That's why I say it's speculation on either side.If you can give me the name of the expert you mention with that qualification, then I will give you.......

This nifty smiley!!!:bb:



And yes, I have many, many hats my friend.:rofl: But It's always the governments fault.
 
jarhead said:
It 's not MY pet theory, but noone could possibly know exactly how the jet fuel was distributed inside the structure after impact. They would have to have been inside, seen it,and lived thru it. That's why I say it's speculation on either side.If you can give me the name of the expert you mention with that qualification, then I will give you.......

This nifty smiley!!!:bb:



And yes, I have many, many hats my friend.:rofl: But It's always the governments fault.
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Yeah well... I remember posting an article by an engineering prof from Australia and also a long list of reports by engineering experts. So, :gotsearch :D

Btw, have you ever watched National Geography's channel, the Seconds From Disaster program?

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Highly recommended.
 
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