Great natty product for growth/strength?

Phosphatidic Acid from either Soy Lecithin Granules (cheapest IIFYM and no gastric problems) or a concentrated capped version. Arachidonic Acid (ArA). HMB-CA Bulk Powder. Baking Soda (possible gastric issues). Instant Coffee (possible gastric issues) w/added L-Theanine.

The ArA is the only pricey one if you do 1.5g per workout for 50 workouts.

If you don't end up running to the toilet, that is a good poor man's stack - if you do, it didn't cost you much to find out :D

Here it is.
 
My sincere apologies , don't know what's wrong with me , gonna blame on bath salts. Hehe .Good day bud.
 
My sincere apologies , don't know what's wrong with me , gonna blame on bath salts. Hehe .Good day bud.

Sounds like a classic case of alphamine withdrawal my good sir. Get some in the system at once! :D
 
Thanks mate. This is new info for me. Learned about too many new products from joining this site. Love it. I'm going to give this a try

There is plenty to learn here for sure. Check out some of the reviews from each product in the review section as well. It may give you a good idea of which products will really benefit you and your goals.
 
Phosphatidic Acid, TMG, creatine and Arachadonic Acid are all solid picks.

Less well known but no less impressive is Beta-alanine + Creatine. In fact, adding BA to creatine has been shown to triple the LBM gains of creatine alone*. And it almost doubled fat loss...

With respect to Laxogenin, you may want to take a look at a standalone or products that leverage Laxogenin's benefits (anti-inflammatory, protein synthesis, etc). Progenadrex is a solid pick here. As for standalone, I'd favor a transdermal Lax if that product is still around.

*Invalid Link Removed
 
???? Who would drink 35g of baking soda??

Me. And a lot of research subjects too, LOL.

Sodium Bicarbonate (NaHCO3) Increases PGC1-A & Speeds Up ...
Oct 13, 2014 ... If this is not your first visit to the SuppVersity, I am confident you've read about the ergogenic effects of sodium bicarbonate aka baking soda ...
suppversity.blogspot.com

0.3g/kg Bicarbonate Will Make Trained Cyclists Last 4.5 Min Longer ...
Dec 17, 2014 ... If you want significant performance increases with a single serving of a supplement and are already taking caffeine, sodium bicarbonate is what ...
suppversity.blogspot.com

Supercharging Creatine With Baking Soda: Study Shows Increased ...
Apr 6, 2012 ... Supercharging Creatine With Baking Soda: Study Shows Increased Peak Power and Endurance - Plus: How Bicarbonate Could Help You Lose ...
suppversity.blogspot.com

Bicarbonate For Strength Athletes: 25g of Baking Soda Up Your ...
Oct 23, 2013 ... It's been a while since the last SuppVersity in-depth article on the ergogenic effects of sodium bicarbonate, but today we are back: Back with a ...
suppversity.blogspot.com

The Latest on Sodium Bicarbonate: Serial Loading Almost as ...
Sep 28, 2012 ... Do you remember my last post on sodium bicarbonate and what I said about the SuppVersity being the place, where you would read about the ...
suppversity.blogspot.com

Sodium Bicarbonate + Caffeine: 2x SuppVersity Suggested ...
Mar 8, 2015 ... You want more evidence that sodium bicarbonate supplementation is worth it? Here it is, in a recent study from the University of Exeter, the ...
suppversity.blogspot.com

Bicarbonate Strikes Again! Instant 14% HIIT Performance Increase ...
Jun 13, 2015 ... Bicarbonate Strikes Again! Instant 14% HIIT Performance Increase with 0.4g/kg Body Weight in 25 Gelatin Capsules ...
suppversity.blogspot.com
 
Hence a question ,
All the studies showing somewhere between ~5%-30% performance increases on Bench, Squats and Deads (among other things) was done with about 35g for 100Kg man. I take that every Bench/Squat/Dead day. You can even "Load" lesser amounts X many times a day for almost equal benefits. Have you read all the studies?

If you not drinking it then what get a spoon and go for it?
Sorry if that sounds like a dumb question but I'm not a rocket surgeon

Dump it in water, stir with a spoon, down it, burp a few times, done. (and if you don't tolerate it, you'll know in about 30-60 minutes as you'll be in the bathroom :))
 
Thanks for a reply , do you see benefits of it or is it just cheap enough so why not kind of deal?

I didn't specifically decide to log data with and without it, so I can't tell you that. I guess I could stop and see, but I don't like that idea :D Yeah, it's cheap (A 15lb bag is under $10... should last years) so why not try it - would be my best answer. It sure has a ton of good data on it.
 
What'd you get off Progenadrex? Curious...
Im on every forum mixelflick haha its teenphysique but i get exactly whats described on the bottle great glycogen storage, mood enhancement , weight increases etc everyone can view logs on predator nutrition
 
Im on every forum mixelflick haha its teenphysique but i get exactly whats described on the bottle great glycogen storage, mood enhancement , weight increases etc everyone can view logs on predator nutrition

OK gotcha.

I'm really proud of that product given the tough audience over there and nothing but 5 star store reviews. When you set out to formulate a product to speed muscle growth, it's easy to find the perfect solution - steroids! But since the gov't has taken that option away from us, it begs the question what else builds muscle fast? FOOD! and lots of it. That's why a healthy dose of Anacyclus Pyrethrum is included. Not only does it stimulate appetite, it assists in stuffing more glycogen into muscle cells.

And if you're eating big, you're going to have an insulin surge. So as long as insulin is up, you might as well give your body nutrients to hitch a ride into muscle cells - creatine being #1. Insulin isn't the only thing that stores more creatine though, as creatine transport across the cell membrane is sodium dependent, so we include di-sodium phosphate. R-ALA is another ingredient shown to positively affect creatine uptake, as well as having anti-inflammatory properties, so we include that too.

Finally, a precise dose of the non-hormonal anabolic agent Laxogenin is included. Functioning as an Ecdy analogue, it too facilitates glycogen storage and works with R-ALA as an anti-inflammatory. I do add a dash of biotin as well, given too much R-ALA depletes the body of such. If you have chapped lips for example when running R-ALA at any respectable dose, that's why..

Proof is in the pudding: Average gain of 1lb/week all in the muscles for the average user. I'm working on something that's even better though, if the labs would ever get back to me LOL.
 
OK gotcha.

I'm really proud of that product given the tough audience over there and nothing but 5 star store reviews. When you set out to formulate a product to speed muscle growth, it's easy to find the perfect solution - steroids! But since the gov't has taken that option away from us, it begs the question what else builds muscle fast? FOOD! and lots of it. That's why a healthy dose of Anacyclus Pyrethrum is included. Not only does it stimulate appetite, it assists in stuffing more glycogen into muscle cells.

And if you're eating big, you're going to have an insulin surge. So as long as insulin is up, you might as well give your body nutrients to hitch a ride into muscle cells - creatine being #1. Insulin isn't the only thing that stores more creatine though, as creatine transport across the cell membrane is sodium dependent, so we include di-sodium phosphate. R-ALA is another ingredient shown to positively affect creatine uptake, as well as having anti-inflammatory properties, so we include that too.

Finally, a precise dose of the non-hormonal anabolic agent Laxogenin is included. Functioning as an Ecdy analogue, it too facilitates glycogen storage and works with R-ALA as an anti-inflammatory. I do add a dash of biotin as well, given too much R-ALA depletes the body of such. If you have chapped lips for example when running R-ALA at any respectable dose, that's why..

Proof is in the pudding: Average gain of 1lb/week all in the muscles for the average user. I'm working on something that's even better though, if the labs would ever get back to me LOL.

I'm actual running a "Progenadrex" copy using a lot of solo/bulk ingredients, and it's very effective for me. I'm using transdermal Laxogenin, R-ALA, etc. just like your formula and it's a sweet combination.
 
I'm actual running a "Progenadrex" copy using a lot of solo/bulk ingredients, and it's very effective for me. I'm using transdermal Laxogenin, R-ALA, etc. just like your formula and it's a sweet combination.

Happy for you man. It really is a solid approach..

You try Synthagen X2 yet?
 
Happy for you man. It really is a solid approach..

You try Synthagen X2 yet?

I enjoyed Mass Pro Synthagen. What exactly is Synthagen X2? (haven't heard about it, but I'm not on any UK forums or anything). PM me if you prefer.
 
I enjoyed Mass Pro Synthagen. What exactly is Synthagen X2? (haven't heard about it, but I'm not on any UK forums or anything). PM me if you prefer.

Synthagen X2 is the strongest lab batch yet - and that's really saying something! It now contains over twice the RCE of the original. In fact, I was just on air (Superhumanradio) yesterday with a Special Forces guy that's taking it. He went through one of those "hell weeks" taking it and reported no DOMS, lightnening fast recovery and his times actually IMPROVED 4 out of 5 days during the exercise. And he bought his X2. I never give freebies b/c I feel it skews user feedback. Even better, he documented his entire week/times, graphed it etc. Pretty damn impressive.

It's on sale this month, I'll PM you the details.
 
Synthagen X2 is the strongest lab batch yet - and that's really saying something! It now contains over twice the RCE of the original. In fact, I was just on air (Superhumanradio) yesterday with a Special Forces guy that's taking it. He went through one of those "hell weeks" taking it and reported no DOMS, lightnening fast recovery and his times actually IMPROVED 4 out of 5 days during the exercise. And he bought his X2. I never give freebies b/c I feel it skews user feedback. Even better, he documented his entire week/times, graphed it etc. Pretty damn impressive.

It's on sale this month, I'll PM you the details.

Mixed bag for me so far with X2. On week 2 or 3: 10 caps pre-weights, 3 x 3 on Cardio days. I train every day, ie. Weights/Cardio/Weights/Cardio... 7 days a week. When I get DOMs (not a given) it's usually a 1, 2, or 3 on the medical pain scale. I did a heavy Deadlift day last week (IIRC 5x3 or 3x5 at 90%) that I thought for sure would have me feeling it, but I had nothing as far as DOMs. I thought "holy heck, this stuff is doing something". But Yesterday was a high volume Squat day (10x3 at 75 or 80%) and I have the same DOMs I usually get, today. Also felt some very minor Bicep DOMs the day after my arm workout a few days ago. So I don't know, but I'll reserve judgement until I finish both bottles.
 
Mixed bag for me so far with X2. On week 2 or 3: 10 caps pre-weights, 3 x 3 on Cardio days. I train every day, ie. Weights/Cardio/Weights/Cardio... 7 days a week. When I get DOMs (not a given) it's usually a 1, 2, or 3 on the medical pain scale. I did a heavy Deadlift day last week (IIRC 5x3 or 3x5 at 90%) that I thought for sure would have me feeling it, but I had nothing as far as DOMs. I thought "holy heck, this stuff is doing something". But Yesterday was a high volume Squat day (10x3 at 75 or 80%) and I have the same DOMs I usually get, today. Also felt some very minor Bicep DOMs the day after my arm workout a few days ago. So I don't know, but I'll reserve judgement until I finish both bottles.

You're only doing 10 caps preworkout? I remember doing the 5/5/5 protocol (or 8/7) and that worked great for me on the original.
 
From the man himself - the new version is double what you had in there.

I think he was only referring to double the ecdysterone, but it also contains EAAs so I'm not sure how that ends up playing out. (meaning you might have more ecdy, but not enough EAAs). Then there's the whole thing of treating it like intra-EAAs versus just taking them bolus pre-workout.

Let me know how it goes for you (either here or I'll PM you in the future).
 
I think he was only referring to double the ecdysterone, but it also contains EAAs so I'm not sure how that ends up playing out. (meaning you might have more ecdy, but not enough EAAs). Then there's the whole thing of treating it like intra-EAAs versus just taking them bolus pre-workout.

Let me know how it goes for you (either here or I'll PM you in the future).

Yeah, I wanted to do it right so we were emailing back and forth. He said 10 Caps Pre, so that is what I'm doing. Taking it with Tart Cherry (in itself shown to reduce DOMs) Juice, but not a lot, sh&t is as expensive as Libyan Sweet Crude at almost $6/Quart! :D I just use enough to swallow the caps.
 
Yeah, I wanted to do it right so we were emailing back and forth. He said 10 Caps Pre, so that is what I'm doing. Taking it with Tart Cherry (in itself shown to reduce DOMs) Juice, but not a lot, sh&t is as expensive as Libyan Sweet Crude at almost $6/Quart! :D I just use enough to swallow the caps.

Interesting. The protocol has changed then!
 
I'm partial to ArA as many have mentioned, I've had success running epi products as well. Here's links to many of the products mentioned in this thread on sale at Nutriverse if there's any interest... remember to stack AM5 for additional 5% off the auto discount codes for 25% off

Invalid Link Removed

Invalid Link Removed
 
Mixed bag for me so far with X2. On week 2 or 3: 10 caps pre-weights, 3 x 3 on Cardio days. I train every day, ie. Weights/Cardio/Weights/Cardio... 7 days a week. When I get DOMs (not a given) it's usually a 1, 2, or 3 on the medical pain scale. I did a heavy Deadlift day last week (IIRC 5x3 or 3x5 at 90%) that I thought for sure would have me feeling it, but I had nothing as far as DOMs. I thought "holy heck, this stuff is doing something". But Yesterday was a high volume Squat day (10x3 at 75 or 80%) and I have the same DOMs I usually get, today. Also felt some very minor Bicep DOMs the day after my arm workout a few days ago. So I don't know, but I'll reserve judgement until I finish both bottles.

I appreciate your feedback,

For many people, Synthagen works the very first time they use it to all but obliterate DOMS and speed recovery fast. As in REAL fast. In others, it may take a few weeks to build into their system. They're the exception though and not the rule, and 2 weeks is the absolute most it'll take. In any case, I look forward to your final review. The vast, vast majority wind up realizing how good it is not just while using it - but when they come off. Once it's out of your system, you feel like you've been hit by a truck.

No product works for everyone, but MPS is REAL close. I take a lot of pride in that. This past Tuesday I had a Special Forces guy on SuperHumanRadio.com who's using it. He put it to the test and.... was absolutely floored. What makes this unique is that he had several objective measurements, not just the usual subjective feelings. His spot begins around 15 minutes into the show. I should mention he bought his like everyone else. I don't give away free product, it skews reviews too much..

Invalid Link Removed
 
Interesting. The protocol has changed then!

It has. Since X2 doubled the amount of RCE/Ecdysterone, it's hallmark effects are stronger (fast recovery/squelches DOMS, muscle fullness etc). Therefore, only 10 caps are generally needed pre-workout vs. 5 before, 5 during and 5 after for the original. For extremely intense workouts, another 5 caps of X2 can be taken post workout but it's almost never necessary.

One thing that I would ask when using X2 is to load the first bottle as directed every day, such that your system is saturated:

TRAINING DAYS: 10 caps immediately pre-workout. For extremely intense workouts, 5 post (almost never needed)

OFF DAYS: 3 caps, 3x's/day just prior to your 3 biggest meals.

Once you're loaded, you can use a 2nd and subsequent bottles on training days only. That means a bottle should last 27 workouts. Given a 3 days/week schedule, a twin pack will last 3 months and a case of four 6 months

Hope that helps..

Once you've dialed in say 10 caps and it's doing you right, consider dropping it to 9, 8, experiment with 4 pre and 4 post etc until such time as you find your lowest effective dosing. Just makes better financial/phsyiological sense...
 
I appreciate your feedback,

For many people, Synthagen works the very first time they use it to all but obliterate DOMS and speed recovery fast. As in REAL fast. In others, it may take a few weeks to build into their system. They're the exception though and not the rule, and 2 weeks is the absolute most it'll take. In any case, I look forward to your final review. The vast, vast majority wind up realizing how good it is not just while using it - but when they come off. Once it's out of your system, you feel like you've been hit by a truck.

No product works for everyone, but MPS is REAL close. I take a lot of pride in that. This past Tuesday I had a Special Forces guy on SuperHumanRadio.com who's using it. He put it to the test and.... was absolutely floored. What makes this unique is that he had several objective measurements, not just the usual subjective feelings. His spot begins around 15 minutes into the show. I should mention he bought his like everyone else. I don't give away free product, it skews reviews too much..

Invalid Link Removed

Yeah, I usually expect natural things to take a while. FYI I served with the 75th Ranger Regiment in my youth, so I'm even better than that SF Pouge ;)
 
I can attest to some of the things you said. Often when I use Intra-EAA+Carbs, and other recovery agents, I don't necessarily know if they're working until I come off of them.
 
One thing that I would ask when using X2 is to load the first bottle as directed every day, such that your system is saturated:

TRAINING DAYS: 10 caps immediately pre-workout. For extremely intense workouts, 5 post (almost never needed)

OFF DAYS: 3 caps, 3x's/day just prior to your 3 biggest meals.

Once you're loaded, you can use a 2nd and subsequent bottles on training days only. That means a bottle should last 27 workouts. Given a 3 days/week schedule, a twin pack will last 3 months and a case of four 6 months

Hope that helps..

I am doing this, and I actually plan to do the second bottle the same way (10 - 3/3/3, 10 - 3/3/3, etc...) so by the end of that, I should have a good handle on if I'll re-buy.
 
PowerMax XT is not as sexy as some of the other products mentioned, but definitely, should be considered when looking for a great natty product. PowerMax XT is a blend of ergogenic ingredients that work synergistically to increase performance, hydration, recovery and even body composition. It is an open-label as well so you can see how much of each ingredient you're getting, but the ingredients are fully dosed.

First, you will get your full daily dose of creatine and a full dose of betaine. Both ingredients will increase performance, creatine will increase recovery as well. The 2.5 grams of betaine can also have a positive impact on body composition in trained people.

L-alanyl l-glutamine will increase recovery along with the creatine. This form of glutamine is more bioavailable than regular glutamine. In addition, amento will increase performance when taken pre workout.

The hydration blend along with glycerol will increase pumps and help maintain a full look at your muscles. This can be stacked with any product and should be used as a staple. Lastly, Nutriverse has 20% off PowerMax XT until Tuesday.
 
I am on Beta Ecdysterone 800mg a day I take 400mg with my Pre WO meal and 400mg with my post. I am in a 1000+ calorie deficit every day. Today is day 20 strength has gone up 20lbs on all my lifts. I am also up 4lbs in lean body mass I look fuller and bigger than on my previous cut.

So liking the Beta Ecdysterone so far
 
Which type/product of Ecdysterone? I do also get decent results with inferior CV ecdysterone (standardized to 90%+ ecdysterone) if I go up to 1,2 to 2g.
 
A local South African brand. Nutritech is the brand. The product is called BetaEcdysterone

Source genus Cyanotis Vaga? Not saying you won't get any results, am saying you could do far better. If it's CV, request a C of A via HPLC. The UV scans consistently overestimate Ecdy content. As is, WAY over-estimate it.

Also, if it's standardized for 20-HyroxyEcdysterone it's junk IMO. 20+H orally is marginal at best. I've done 5g/day orally, sub-lingual and transdermal. Only the transdermal yielded some results but again, marginal.

FWIW, I've also pinned a sterile H20 solution of RCE (Thermolife's material)...
 
Mixelflick how would Synthagen X2 work in a cut or recomp phase? Would the benefits be wasted?

Or should it be saved for a gaining phase?

Great question, simple answer though..

Synthagen was made for cutting/re-comp. Progenadrex for maximum LBM/size and strength with little, if any fat gain.
 
Deadlifts again yesterday. Singles at 90%. Crappy day to be honest - meaning they shouldn't have felt as heavy as they did - we're talking majorly slow to come up - had to be hammering the erectors. Did the 10 caps pre and today I have zero soreness, which I thought for sure I'd have. So another test in the books. We'll see what happens the day after my heavy Squat day on Wed (my last Squat day was volume).
 
Deadlifts again yesterday. Singles at 90%. Crappy day to be honest - meaning they shouldn't have felt as heavy as they did - we're talking majorly slow to come up - had to be hammering the erectors. Did the 10 caps pre and today I have zero soreness, which I thought for sure I'd have. So another test in the books. We'll see what happens the day after my heavy Squat day on Wed (my last Squat day was volume).

Thanks for sharing brother, that DL workout sounds like a real test (lower back taking the longest time to recover). Typically when I train back hard and heavy I'm sore for a minimum of 72 hours post workout, DOMS peaking at the 48 hour mark. I get zilch DOMS though when using X2, and when you're 46 and doing this for 30+ years... feels like a minor miracle.

Anyway, look forward to your next update.
 
2 words:

NOS ETHER
 
Back
Top