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Skigazzi
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:blink: (I like smilies too)LCSULLA said:
With the FDA sending out more ban letters, its just not prudent to piss them off more. Hey its not my legal defense expense, and I like me some good designer steroids, but the industry doesn't need to piss of the government anymore than it already it at this one moment in time.
Id rather see things kinda go away for 3 months, the situation cool down, and then new stuff comes out, than having the perverbial sh*t hit the fan and the feds go apesh*t on the industry as a whole.
Here are the topics covered in the meeting, they have people on the internet basically watching us...
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Page 12 of this one specifically....we're almost famous:
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swole210
Registered User
Skigazzi said:
Some big companies came out yesterday stating this aswell, and the reasone for them getting out of it. Maybe we should just simmer down for a little while, and enjoy what we have now, and maybe have the hope of new stuff comming out in the near future rather than piss them off and we can get a damn thing as far as supplements go.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Well of course we are being monitored, lets take a look at what we are saying though are we really that bad. We discourage use in anyone under 21, sure I’m sure that doesn’t stop a lot of youngsters but if it wasn’t for this board and some others where would young people be getting information on safe use. We are anal about taking the proper precautions; I bet almost everyone on this board spends at least twice as much on PCT and preventative supps. People are encouraged to get blood work done; health is a major preoccupation with people on this board. Yes I’m sure there is some irresponsible use but we do not support that here.
I’m not saying were angels but were not as bad as some would have the populous believe. Anyhew all that being said I doubt this will cut us any slack. Maybe laying low is a good idea. It’s just that they make it look like we market to people we don’t market too and that we have no understanding of the health risks where we encourage knowledge and safety.
I’m not saying were angels but were not as bad as some would have the populous believe. Anyhew all that being said I doubt this will cut us any slack. Maybe laying low is a good idea. It’s just that they make it look like we market to people we don’t market too and that we have no understanding of the health risks where we encourage knowledge and safety.
CDB
Registered User
cable626 said:
A do agree, however if they do go that far steroids will be the excuse, not the reason. We lay low with the designer steroids, the FDA will start looking at creatine again. They want power, they want control, they really don't care if these substances are harmful or not.
If you told an FDA rep that you had a supplement that cured cancer and people were taking it, and you had scientific backing for that claim, the only thing they'd recognize about the situation and honestly care about was that people were taking something without their permission. The substance would be taken off the market, it'd be abandoned or you'd have to license it to some megapharma company who would pour the necessary beauracratic billions into more studies on it, and then bring it to market 15 years later charging 10 times the price in a third party billing system. And the people who died of cancer in the intervening years wouldn't be considered.
We lay low with the 'roids, the FDA will hop on what we have left. I'd bet my knickers if all grey market steroids were off the market all of sudden we'd see a barage of news stories and FDA warnings concerning amino acids, vitamins and certain herbal products. There is no way to win, might as well take what we can get for now, and go to the black market when it comes time.
bigblank69
Board Supporter
cable626 said:
I know, I really don't want to have to go to a back alley to try and score some fish oil.
LCSULLA
Well-known member
The FDA wants to regulate ALL supps; not just PH/PS's. And the fact that they see these designer homrones as thumbing their noses at the them and their interpretation of the law is just going to keep pissing them off. So to "lay low" as you put it does nothing. Do you think that if all the store and produceres stop making PH/PS's that they would stop looking at the industry? No, they wouldn't. So the companies might as well flood the market and make as much money as they can before the FDA brings in all the other agencies.
wastedwhiteboy2
Board Supporter
I've already seen drs on the main stream media say that creatine is bad for high schoolers. come on! next is protein.
CDB
Registered User
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
Some time ago, about a year I think, some kid experienced renal failure and, get this, new bone growth in his legs that he and his doctors blamed on creatine use. Now the renal failure I could see if he was eating ridiculous amounts of the stuff on a daily basis, but new bone growth? He was also experiencing rhabdmyalosis(sp?). My guess, I wrote the editor of the paper in which I found the article, was that the kid trained so hard and used so much GH he caused the rhabdmyalosis, which dumped a ****load of hemo/myoglobin into his blood from the muscle tissue breaking down, and that's what caused renal failure. No answer ever from the newspaper, I wasn't the only one who sent an email along those lines.
The kid was spending 50+ dollars a month on "creatine."
Skigazzi
Active member
LCSULLA said:
So, In the face of the FDA, you think these little podunk chinese steroid peddlers should just pump out steroids, and ask for the FDA to slam the entire industry?? Cmon. You dont thumb you nose at the FDA when you are selling steroids (thats what they are) through a loophole on the internet..you do everything to have them not show up at your door that you can, because any profits you make will not be enough to make it seem like a good decision when the boys in blue come knocking.
And by lay low, i simply mean to not sell PS's for awhile, if the industry was smart (pipe dream, i know) they might be able to get through this with a simple few additions to the ban list, and them move on and repeat the process every few years...or they could flip the FDA the bird and get squashed.
That said, I hope TST is a great product and the government somehow doesnt go after Bioscience / and every one else that sells or has sold these products. I'll leave this thread be now.
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CDB
Registered User
Skigazzi said:
Most people would agree with you, it's just that the FDA will squash this industry eventually no matter what. It's a beauracracy, that's its job. Even if the industry did clean its act up and stopped making and distributing steroids, a law would likely be passed to make sure it "never happens again" or to "protect our children in the future" etc. Like I said, 'roids are the excuse for squashing the industry, not the reasons for doing so. The reasons are money and beauracratic power. Won't matter in the end if companies keep selling 'roids. Eventually we're going to get our multivitamins from a doctor, our insurance will be charged a billion dollars a bottle, and the doses will be what some commitee has decided is best for everyone.
bioman
Well-known member
As we have seen before, there is no way to get the supplement industry to be cohesive and take a united stand on any given issue. Many will not lay down old, petty rivalries and as a result there is no unity.
So Divided they will Fall.
There is enough money being made of supplements of all kinds to have a serious influence on Congress. It may pale in comparison to Big Pharma's lobbying power, but as it stands there's piss poor representation for the supp industry. Things could only improve with more mutual involvement on the part of the supp companies...but I don't see that happening.
So Divided they will Fall.
There is enough money being made of supplements of all kinds to have a serious influence on Congress. It may pale in comparison to Big Pharma's lobbying power, but as it stands there's piss poor representation for the supp industry. Things could only improve with more mutual involvement on the part of the supp companies...but I don't see that happening.
bkprice
Member
This is the American spirit, stay low and hide so we dont make the FDA mad, oh no.
Organize the industries, take a stand. I dont care if there steriods or or not. Its about your damn rights and not the pills.
You can buy booze and smokes any time you want, so safety is not the FDA concern. If the FDA is watching good, they know there about killing instead of healing.
Organize the industries, take a stand. I dont care if there steriods or or not. Its about your damn rights and not the pills.
You can buy booze and smokes any time you want, so safety is not the FDA concern. If the FDA is watching good, they know there about killing instead of healing.
LCSULLA
Well-known member
You could do that. And you know what? It won't stop the FDA from trying to regulate. They have been trying regulate the whole industry, not just the PH/PS section of it, for a long time. You have two choices. One is stop making any type of anabolic...ever. Or press the envelope and try and get the cutomer what they want for as long as possible. Stopping for a while or laying low is not going to change the hard-on the FDA has for the industry.
The FDA take the same view of supps as the Anti-doping League or whatever they call themselves. EVERYTHING ie: protein, creatine, NO2, and anything that is not found in a everyday diet, is evil and should be stopped. Have you read transcripts from seminars given by the ADL? They condem ALL supplements. And the FDA follows the same vain.
And I not going to ban your for expressing an opinon...no matter how wrong I think it is.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
LCSULLA said:
This is pretty much what I feel as well. A complete and total regulation of the supplement industry is forthcoming regardless, whether they stop today or tommorrow. In that time they should do exactly what LCS said, flood the market as much as they can to give us, the consumer exactly what we want for as long as possible. Think of the DEA pursuing a drug dealer, they have been pursuing him for awhile, staked out his operation and are gonna bust him regardless, and you as the drug dealer know this. You think the DEA is going to let off because he slows down his sales for awhile? Hell no, they are going to bust him all the same. So what do you do? You sell everything you have, make as much money as possible.
Apowerz6
Board Sponsor
True indeed fellas, its just like the block, just because its hot does not mean it will get shut down. It keeps going until the boys in blue swoop down, then guess what, the new ones come and set shop right back up. But I am with Bio, these supp companies need to start lining these senetors pockets, and trust me our supps would not go.
CDB
Registered User
bkprice said:
I'd love to stand up to them, but as others have stated it's hard when the industry is in little pieces, you've got contentious guys like PA pissing everyone off, and the FDA thinks protein powder is harmful. Since we're not going to be gunning them down we'd have to reason with them, lined pockets or no, and so far reason isn't exactly on their radar. If it were, things would be a hell of a lot different in this country.
BodyWizard
Registered User
yes - and 23 grams of fecal matter per ounce....natedogg said:
anabolicrhino
Well-known member
The FDA serves a necessary purpose. They " help " protect the consumer. If you are like me you have spent a few dollars on products that either did not work or even created a negative health situation. The FDA can only do so much for the educated consumer, they mostly try to protect the uneducated consumer. However, life is dangerous and many things can hurt and or kill you. The FDA exists solely to prevent amoral greedheads from getting rich by hurting and or killing uneducated irresponcible tax payers. No system or system administrators are perfect. The FDA could not have known to warn me not to take a bunch of ephedrine, drink booze all night then come home and take liquid yohimbe with melotonin, smoke dope and have great sex with my girlfriend...which would proceed to give me 4 hours of uncontrollable heart tachycardia and a mantra of please god, I don't want to die...I lived, I learned...and I am okay with that.
Not everybody likes to learn the hard way!..I like to think that, even if my "big brother" is moron, he's still " got my back "....This current hormone issue is not about healthy consumers. It is about protecting the integrity of the system itself.
I remember when the FDA banned tryptophan. I cried in panic, because I used it every night to sleep...I was upset until I found that my " dog " had a solid connection...I sleep well every night!
Bonus SPAM treat-fried SPAM with maple syrup and french toast...SPAM is fine, if you can't get SCRAPPLE!
Not everybody likes to learn the hard way!..I like to think that, even if my "big brother" is moron, he's still " got my back "....This current hormone issue is not about healthy consumers. It is about protecting the integrity of the system itself.
I remember when the FDA banned tryptophan. I cried in panic, because I used it every night to sleep...I was upset until I found that my " dog " had a solid connection...I sleep well every night!
Bonus SPAM treat-fried SPAM with maple syrup and french toast...SPAM is fine, if you can't get SCRAPPLE!
CDB
Registered User
anabolicrhino said:
If you spent a few dollars on products that didn't do what they claimed or actually hurt you, I'd say the FDA hasn't been doing their job very well despite their budget and over reaching administrative powers. Therefore, what's the point of having them around? With thousands of people dying each year from Rx drugs even when they're properly administered, the idea that the FDA is here to "protect me" in any way seems a bit shady.
It's about the FDA flexing it's power, pure and simple. I'd prefer to protect myself and keep the money the FDA sucks up in my pocket.
Unless you get caught buying it on the blakc market, in which case you're screwed. and of course who is to say what you're taking is actually tryptophan...
anabolicrhino
Well-known member
Your point is well taken. I think that in terms of pure flexing power, this is best expressed as the following:CDB said:
FDA = Arnold, circa 1975
us guys = Napolean Dynamite
My dog also tells me that tryptophan was banned from being sold for human consumption...So, the market is clearly grey..Jack Russells are smart dogs!
