Got TST?

[BioScience]

TST now on presale! Check your local board sponsors

We also ask that the AM community help create the buzz by requesting your retailer of choice to pick up the TST (if they haven't already) and post on other boards you frequent to help us spread the word...the first run is the most critical so let's make it count :type:

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[raider1]

Man , I can't believe how fast you guys got this out ... nice work... :woohoo:

 

[Zero Tolerance]

I just ordered a bunch... If this Mega-TRN and Methoxy TST are so good, why not keep them under wraps and sell consistently to only a few customers? Why is TST here for "one run only"? If it's not illegal, why not keep it that way for awhile?

 

[Vipersg123]

I just ordered a bunch... If this Mega-TRN and Methoxy TST are so good, why not keep them under wraps and sell consistently to only a few customers? Why is TST here for "one run only"? If it's not illegal, why not keep it that way for awhile?

whered you hear it was the only run? He said the "first". If it's the only run i might have to buy some and keep it stored for a while.

 

[raider1]

I hope this is not a one and out thing.. to good a product for that to happen .. and a good seller from early indications ..

 

[Mass_69]

17b-Methoxy-Trienosterone?

Bioscience, do you have any more info on the compound, as far as the chemical name, structure, etc.?

Thanks

Bump

 

[Zero Tolerance]

Everyone has heard of it, and only a few ever got a chance to try this amazing muscular density potentiator. The infamous Methoxy-TST is here for one run only!

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That's a shame...

 

[bbuild]

17b-Methoxy-Trienosterone?

Bioscience, do you have any more info on the compound, as far as the chemical name, structure, etc.?

Thanks

I would also like to know more...

 

[Mr.50]

Bioscience can you elaborate on the subjective feelings created by TST. Mainly did it seem to increase libido and sexual functioning like test? Did it increase sense of well being? etc?


Mr.50

 

[bigblank69]

I'd like to know if the dosage is the same as M-trn 4-6mg per day

 

[swole210]

Bioscience can you elaborate on the subjective feelings created by TST. Mainly did it seem to increase libido and sexual functioning like test? Did it increase sense of well being? etc?


Mr.50

Bump on this question!

 

[okboy63]

So its a non methly taken orally and you only need 4 to 6 mg hmmm.
Did I get that right?
Would like to hear a response to 50's question as well.

Thanks for getting it out quick Bio

 

[quigs]

TST now on presale! Check your local board sponsors

We also ask that the AM community help create the buzz by requesting your retailer of choice to pick up the TST (if they haven't already) and post on other boards you frequent to help us spread the word...the first run is the most critical so let's make it count :type:

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He said the "FIRST" run...so I'm guessing that there will be more to come. I have a feeling that this is similar to ALRI's "last run" of ergomax LMG.

 

[D-termine]

have an order in for both tst and trn, hoping some dosing info will come out concerning tst soon

 

[bigblank69]

I don't know if the FDA is going to sit idle by long enough for a few runs...... then again I thought all this stuff was going to be gone by last October........

 

[stxnas]

have an order in for both tst and trn, hoping some dosing info will come out concerning tst soon

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straight from the horses mouth...I believe some earlier posts were comparing dosing to m-trn...as little as 2mg per day...don't quote me though...just check it out for yourself.

 

[Zero Tolerance]

I'm not sure I understand this line of thinking:

We also ask that the AM community help create the buzz by requesting your retailer of choice to pick up the TST (if they haven't already) and post on other boards you frequent to help us spread the word...the first run is the most critical so let's make it count

This doesn't make sense. This will MAKE the first run beCOME the last run.. Why not keep it quiet and sell to a select group of people over the next 30 years rather than galloping 1000 orders in two weeks??

 

[shyboy]

With all the hype about stacking with M-TRN & TST are you going to post any stacking guidelines? Dosage for Lbs per mg, duration with each other, etc. I would like to know if I should run them together, start one then taper into the other, etc. Also is this a mass gainer, lean recomp, strength, etc.
There have been hints but no one really knows. I think a little info would go along way right now considering this thread is 9 pages long of "I'm in!... but what does it do?"

 

[Gettinpumped]

If this is supposed to be better than 4ad than Im gonna have to order some.

 

[BryanM]

The only thing that worries me is the ingredient name what the hell is trienosterone

What hormone would you say it is closest too???

 

[anabolicrhino]

The only thing that worries me is the ingredient name what the hell is trienosterone

What hormone would you say it is closest too???

...the one that ends "---osterone"

...similar to the relationship of trienelone with nandrolone.

 

[yeahright]

Can we please get a definitive answer: Is this a one run deal or will there be more runs if this sells out?

 

[Mass_69]

...the one that ends "---osterone"

...similar to the relationship of trienelone with nandrolone.

So, speculatively, this could be something like, 17b-methoxyetioallocholan-x,x,x-trien-3-one, x being the variable for the ene positions, one of them presumably a 4.

 

[kappaz]

With all the hype about stacking with M-TRN & TST are you going to post any stacking guidelines? Dosage for Lbs per mg, duration with each other, etc. I would like to know if I should run them together, start one then taper into the other, etc. Also is this a mass gainer, lean recomp, strength, etc.
There have been hints but no one really knows. I think a little info would go along way right now considering this thread is 9 pages long of "I'm in!... but what does it do?"

^^^

 

[Skigazzi]

...the one that ends "---osterone"

...similar to the relationship of trienelone with nandrolone.

Wouldnt this be trienelone to withTrenbolone??

Methyltrienelone is the 17aa of Tren, so trienolone = Tren???

so

Trienosterone = test? but at 2mg doses, the methoxy group will have to make it as potent as the methyl group.

The only odd thing is there is no evidence of anything call trienosterone in existence that I can find.

 

[3clipseGT]

Check out some of the M-tren logs, people didnt even have to run it at 6mgs a day to get awesome results. I myself ran it at 6mgs the rec. dosage and was amazed. I def. put in my order for 2 of these bad boys. Maybe ill be one of the few to test them both out at the same time.

 

[LCSULLA]

Check out some of the M-tren logs, people didnt even have to run it at 6mgs a day to get awesome results. I myself ran it at 6mgs the rec. dosage and was amazed. I def. put in my order for 2 of these bad boys. Maybe ill be one of the few to test them both out at the same time.

How much do you weigh and how long did you take it?

 

[3clipseGT]

How much do you weigh and how long did you take it?

I weigh right around 205. At the time i weighed about 210-212 and was cutting. I was cutting cals and increased weight more on just about everything then when i cycled 1-ad for the first time. I was really amazed considering the fact that the mgs is so small and the potency. I need more then the average joe to feel the effects of things and sometimes thats not enough. I ran it for about 3 1/2 weeks.

 

[anabolicrhino]

Wouldnt this be trienelone to withTrenbolone??

Methyltrienelone is the 17aa of Tren, so trienolone = Tren???

so

Trienosterone = test? but at 2mg doses, the methoxy group will have to make it as potent as the methyl group.

The only odd thing is there is no evidence of anything call trienosterone in existence that I can find.

I think that is because somebody just created it for market. You cannot sell methyl trienelone, but they can sell methoxy trienelone( until some says to stop). So you cannot sell methyl testosterone, but you can sell methoxy testosterone. There seems to be a few people that say it works in a similar way to its chemical cousins, so why not give it a try! what do you have to lose?,...money?, hormone imbalance?, liver damage?, adavanced aging?, hairloss and skin eruptions?..same as everything else...beta testing only drives up the price!(hahaha)

 

[Mass_69]

I think that is because somebody just created it for market. You cannot sell methyl trienelone, but they can sell methoxy trienelone( until some says to stop). So you cannot sell methyl testosterone, but you can sell methoxy testosterone.

The way that the ingredient is named, it implies that it is methoxy trientestosterone, and not just methoxy test. But no one has confirmed anything (and probably wont), so who knows...

 

[bbuild]

As much as I like putting random chemicals in my body (sarcasm) the maker should bring light to this issue.

 

[raider1]

You might be curious , but why would a business that worked to get this and out to the consumer.. Just come right out and tell everyone on a public board the chemical make-up.. You and I know within 2 weeks another supp company will have this out as the *generic* version .. They could if they wanted give a similar chemical comparable to, so you would have a general idea ..if that is not enough ,get some and have it tested ..

 

[Skigazzi]

The way that the ingredient is named, it implies that it is methoxy trientestosterone, and not just methoxy test. But no one has confirmed anything (and probably wont), so who knows...

But, and please someone correct me if Im off here, there is nothing in existence called trienosterone...there is a trienolone.

 

[Mass_69]

But, and please someone correct me if Im off here, there is nothing in existence called trienosterone...there is a trienolone.

Trien means tri-ene (3 ene's). Similar to the different between nandrolone & trenbolone.

nandrolone: 17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one

trenbolone: 17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one

Nandrolone has an -ene (unsaturated hydrocarbon) at the 4th position. notice tren has one at the 4th, 9th, & 11th positions, 3 positions (tri-ene). Dien would ene's at 2 positions.

Nothing that I know of has been marketed as trienosterone, but see my previous post on my guess:

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[Skigazzi]

So this (hypothetically) is a new designer "supplement", and not a old unused pharmaceutical that was never banned.

 

[Grunt76]

I'd bet my next paycheck or 2 on that.

 

[anabolicrhino]

So this (hypothetically) is a new designer "supplement", and not a old unused pharmaceutical that was never banned.

Well, depending on how you market the substance vs the product, it could be both. This type of chemistry has been around long enough that, I would think it has been empirically tested. Physical testing may have occurred but, the results could have proven that the chemicals were not as effective or consistant as someother well known AAS chems. It could be like 1-testosterone, the negative side-effects discourged further development until, a fringe market exploded to mainstream demand. I don't think we will see any product go mainstream, but a "fringe" guy like me would prefer to keep it that way. I don't like crowded stores!

 

[shyboy]

Can we please get a definitive answer: Is this a one run deal or will there be more runs if this sells out?

I got a feeling this is not the only run of this. Kinda like the absolute last run of Emax, SD, etc so many times before. Great marketing to drive demand. Mix that with the great timing of a supposed ban of all PHs that has created a buying frenzy in the industry (again like so many times before). I mean why would you need testers for feedback to "spread the word" if this is a one run deal? Hmmm.
Kudos to Bioscience for getting this to market though.

 

[robster11]

I got a feeling this is not the only run of this. Kinda like the absolute last run of Emax, SD, etc so many times before. Great marketing to drive demand. Mix that with the great timing of a supposed ban of all PHs that has created a buying frenzy in the industry (again like so many times before). I mean why would you need testers for feedback to "spread the word" if this is a one run deal? Hmmm.
Kudos to Bioscience for getting this to market though.

You couldn't be more right, if I were in their shoes (owning an E-business) i would do the exact same thing, any smart person businessman would. but im def glad this product is finally getting released, has some good potential

 

[Beowulf]

I got a feeling this is not the only run of this. Kinda like the absolute last run of Emax, SD, etc so many times before. Great marketing to drive demand. Mix that with the great timing of a supposed ban of all PHs that has created a buying frenzy in the industry (again like so many times before). I mean why would you need testers for feedback to "spread the word" if this is a one run deal? Hmmm.
Kudos to Bioscience for getting this to market though.

Keep in mind that noone thought SD and emax would be around for so long. I think the companies were expecting it to go on the ban list any day. It actually took a hell of a lot longer than expected, and that is why the products started showing up everywhere.

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

I was one of those that baought the first rounds of sd. I have not bought any more since then because I still have plenty.

 

[yeahright]

Keep in mind that noone thought SD and emax would be around for so long. I think the companies were expecting it to go on the ban list any day. It actually took a hell of a lot longer than expected, and that is why the products started showing up everywhere.

True, except in this case the FDA isn't updating the ban list to get rid of these products. If you read the letters from the FDA, they have taken a new and far more nimble approach. They are essentially reversing the burden.

It used to be that they would compare a product ingredient to the ban list. If it was on it, then the product was illegal. If they wanted to ban something, they needed an act of Congress to amend the ban list.

This new approach starts by using the definition of a supplement (essentially something that is food based or designed to meet a nutritional need) and holding that since these products don't meet this definition, they are de facto drugs not supplements and subject to administrative banning.....or that the products were NEVER legal to sell.

If this new approach is within their administrative authority, they can use it to take ANY product not meeting the supplement definition off the market with a few weeks' notice (no amending of the ban list needed).

Am I panicking and stocking up? No. HOWEVER, if another set of such letters gets released, I will. No company could afford to produce a product and get it throught he distribution chain if it could be yanked from the market in a matter of weeks. The economics just wouldn't pencil out.....all innovation along these lines would cease. :wtf:

 

[CDB]

True, except in this case the FDA isn't updating the ban list to get rid of these products. If you read the letters from the FDA, they have taken a new and far more nimble approach. They are essentially reversing the burden.

It used to be that they would compare a product ingredient to the ban list. If it was on it, then the product was illegal. If they wanted to ban something, they needed an act of Congress to amend the ban list.

This new approach starts by using the definition of a supplement (essentially something that is food based or designed to meet a nutritional need) and holding that since these products don't meet this definition, they are de facto drugs not supplements and subject to administrative banning.

If this new approach is within their administrative authority, they can use it to take ANY product not meeting the supplement definition off the market with a few weeks' notice (no amending of the ban list needed).

Am I panicking and stocking up? No. HOWEVER, if another set of such letters gets released, I will. No company could afford to produce a product and get it throught he distribution chain if it could be yanked from the market in a matter of weeks. The economics just wouldn't pencil out.....all innovation along these lines would cease. :wtf:

Apparently FDA stands for **** 'Dem Anabolics.

 

[matt212]

Check this out:

Please forgive me for my interjection here, but perhaps it may have some use or value.

I am Author L. Rea. Some of you may know me as my nick names "Scott" (I almost have no accent these days...almost) or "Coach", but all that do know me are aware that I always do and say what I feel is honest and best

...and really do not care if someone wants to coin the term "shady" when I do so just because it hinders their shady goals. I don't need the money. I just love the industry...still, and the people we do it for...you.

WAY to much fun to be part of something so inventive and diverse to retire yet!

As a whole the industry is seeing an end to an era, sadly so and as a mistake of perceived outcome, but a fact nonetheless. No doubt the black market will be rather happy once the legit companies are out.

ALRI opted to end our involvement in the so-called PH industry last year due to an obvious distaste for such items by the media and the US government as a whole. (Seems counter-productive to invite bad ideas or false perceptions)

When the media is involved the politicians follow as a means of being in the media. Whether for marketing, votes or for personal beliefs made known, it does not change the outcome. As a result the three letter lads and ladies have to respond in direct proportion. In this case it can get rather ugly and destructive, or it can end before it begins.

I have no doubt, nor do our legal advisors and connections, that if there are ANY synthetic androgens (PH's/prosteroids etc) on the US supplement market being sold by sites or stores in 90 days, at most, then the really ugly stuff will come. The FDA can be Pandora's box or totally supportive and they are very well informed.

FDA letters are a costly (to the receiver) but nice way to say "Please stop and clean it up before we bring all of our friends (DEA/IRSci/FTC) to take your life and make an example out of you for the politicians, media and anyone else that maybe thinking about it...last chance!"

The FDA is doing their job. Time to listen seems an understatement.

As a whole the industry has to realize that we are able to shape perceptions by our actions and as examples. PH's are not our only effective tool to shape our bodies and performance capacity, though it seems that the media and mainstream want to think that they are...perhaps to ease or justify the way they look or perform?

Be a perfect example of what most only dream of.

Author L. Rea

 

[bbuild]

With my new information I just uncovered, I am now able to better assess these methoxy compounds.

17beta-methoxytestosterone, which is what this methoxy TST is, has a listing in Vida. Compared to testosterone by injection it is 28% as androgenic and 25% as anabolic.

For comparison purposes, 4-AD by injection is listed as being something like 105% as androgenic and 95% as anabolic (i am going by memory here cuz its not in Vida)

So you can see that 4-AD is alot more potent. However, the methoxytestosterone likely has very high oral bioavailability cuz i am guessing the methoxy group stays on there and this compound acts directly. IN other words, it would not be a prohormone but an active steroid.

If this is true than it would be protected from metabolism to the 17-keto form which is the main route of deactivation of androgens (the purpose of a 17alpha-alkyl group BTW is to prevent this deactivation)

So I guess you are weighing decreased anabolic activity versus increased oral bioavailability. I do not know what the sum of the equation will come to. I do know that you likely would need large dosages of the stuff (like 100mg or more)

In the case of methoxytrenbolone, i would guess that the product might be decently effective, since trenbolone is so anabolic to begin with (so 25% might be OK). However, once again, you probably would have to consume a decent amount to feel somehting. like 20mg or more

P.S. I apologize if you already know this, the great brainiacs over at AM surely must have already gone over this information and discussed it in great detail already

PA's reply on bb.com

 

[Mr.50]

Interesting, sofor you guys out there who have used both M-TRN and real Tren, do the effects of M-TRN equal 25% of a 4-6 mg dose of inj tren? It sure sounds like people are getting better results then someone would get injecting 4-6mg (if it was even possible) of tren every day, let alone only 25% of that. Sometimes the effects in the real world are better then the evidence would have use believe, sometimes they are worse. I wonder what will turn out to be the case with M-TST?????

PA's reply on bb.com

 

[LCSULLA]

PA's reply on bb.com

I will say this again. PA is a very smart guy. But anytime someone comes out with ANY PH/PS that wasn't his idea he he tells the BB.com guys that "it doesn't work" or "According to my analysis of the compound it may have a small amount of anabolic properties." His comment on trn is so off. A few people have reported great gains at 3-4.5 mgs, not 20mgs as he said it would take.

But he may be right about TST; will just have to wait and see.

 

[Mr.50]

Very good way of putting it.

Mr.50

I will say this again. PA is a very smart guy. But anytime someone comes out with ANY PH/PS that wasn't his idea he he tells the BB.com guys that "it doesn't work" or "According to my analysis of the compound it may have a small amount of anabolic properties." His comment on trn is so off. A few people have reported great gains at 3-4.5 mgs, not 20mgs as he said it would take.

But he may be right about TST; will just have to wait and see.

 

[3clipseGT]

I will say this again. PA is a very smart guy. But anytime someone comes out with ANY PH/PS that wasn't his idea he he tells the BB.com guys that "it doesn't work" or "According to my analysis of the compound it may have a small amount of anabolic properties." His comment on trn is so off. A few people have reported great gains at 3-4.5 mgs, not 20mgs as he said it would take.

But he may be right about TST; will just have to wait and see.

You are very right. He is forever bashing a product that isnt his.:hammer: Hater :lol:

 

[D_town]

As long as it works better than Methyl-Dien! I got raped royally by all the hype from that damn hormone. Regardless I pre-ordered 3 bottles to add to my very impressive stash of 'goodies to be used later box.' :burger: