Good Liver Friendly Phs ?

Not that I am aware of, it just differs on the toxicity, every PH will effect your liver negatively in some way just some are slightly more gentle. There is no PH I have ever heard of the was 100% liver safe
 
TFlifting said:
Not that I am aware of, it just differs on the toxicity, every PH will effect your liver negatively in some way just some are slightly more gentle. There is no PH I have ever heard of the was 100% liver safe
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What would the most gentle be? HD
 
uvawahoowa said:
What would the most gentle be? HD
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HD is methylated so no.
The easiest on your liver would be a non methyl. However, non methyl still will indirectly put strain on your liver.
11 OXO is about as safe as it gets.
 
TFlifting said:
Not that I am aware of, it just differs on the toxicity, every PH will effect your liver negatively in some way just some are slightly more gentle. There is no PH I have ever heard of the was 100% liver safe
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I know, but I want to know the most worthwhile (reasonable gains for a mild ph) with low toxicity
 
Stroke UR Ego said:
I know, but I want to know the most worthwhile (reasonable gains for a mild ph) with low toxicity
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Everybody wants this, truth is the most "mild" ph's are the non-methylated. Typically mild on liver=mild gains so you'll be hard pressed to find a non methylated PH that will put good size on you. Try m-lgm, trenazone, or trenavar
 
with proper supports and pct regime you should be fine on something like hdrol, pmag, halo, etc.....
 
probably any of the androseries (DHEA based) and 7/11 keto/oxo....been on both and bloodwork said liver was perfectly normal in the 7th week of 8 week cycles. I believe Pstanz/win-50 is pretty friendly....these off the top of my head....
 
too bad pstanz wont be around much longer, lg sciences ph's are safe and mild...


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hvactech said:
too bad pstanz wont be around much longer, lg sciences ph's are safe and mild...

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Have you ever used any of them? They are basically just DHEA. For the price of one bottle of that I can get AAS. I wouldn't waste my money.
 
hvactech said:
too bad pstanz wont be around much longer, lg sciences ph's are safe and mild...


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yeah SD (NOT liver friendly, liver-enemy :D) and Pstanz are done as of the end of this month. not sure why Pstanz? guess cuz its like OTC winny or whatever....
 
hvactech said:
okay
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I fell into the trap a few years ago with their "Methyl 1-D". Since I was new to supps, it seemed to work great, but it was nothing more than a **** ton of DHEA and other ingredients in a blend. Then they give it a chemical sounding name, trademark it and sell it as a PH. But we've all been duped before! Lol. LG does have some other great products though.
 
i like both, AAS and OTC stuff....you can do one AAS cycle per year, and the rest of the year do natty cycles (there is VERY good stuff out there now) and gray-area/PH/DS cycles too....keep it healthy and organ friendly most of the year, and do a more heavy duty AAS cycle once a year. then your on something or other pretty much perpetually but you are not harming yourself in any way....If you know how to train and eat properly? you can make do with natty/PH/DS with a little AAS mixed in here and there....
 
JoeySon said:
Everybody wants this, truth is the most "mild" ph's are the non-methylated. Typically mild on liver=mild gains so you'll be hard pressed to find a non methylated PH that will put good size on you. Try m-lgm, trenazone, or trenavar
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Trenavar and max lmg are both methylated
 
Non-Methyl Trenazone, Helladrol is Methyl but seems to be pretty mild on Liver. These 2 could be stacked with Liver supports and you should be g2g.
 
hvactech said:
you sure about that.
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I'm not positive but a 13 Etheyl is another way of writing 18 methyl. It's not the same methylation as a 17 but it's still methylated.

Not 100% on this jbryan has explained it before and I maybe confusing this info.
 
the general consensus is that they are non methyl, either way alot safer on the liver than some. granted i will running dmz sooner than later
 
hvactech said:
the general consensus is that they are non methyl, either way alot safer on the liver than some. granted i will running dmz sooner than later
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Yeah alot easier on the liver than most. To the op I would say the safest thing would be the andro series or the AMS products.
 
all in all dont stress so much on the liver toxicity, now dont neglect it either but just read through non methyl threads and make your choice......but you may want to grab some pstanz and sd while you can
 
whatever you do dont stack methylated compounds and you can get away with just taking cycle assist. idk to much about prohoromes but the strongest non methyl use to be 19-nor (tren) but that got banned.
 
Bruiser76 said:
Oh, and to the OP. Liver friendly PHs is like Family friendly porn.... It doesn't exist for a reason.
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I laughed out loud at this...still tying to convince my wife otherwise...
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
probably any of the androseries (DHEA based) and 7/11 keto/oxo....been on both and bloodwork said liver was perfectly normal in the 7th week of 8 week cycles. I believe Pstanz/win-50 is pretty friendly....these off the top of my head....
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^^^Any of the AndorSereies products are liver, heart, kidney...safe and they work
 
ryansm said:
^^^Any of the AndorSereies products are liver, heart, kidney...safe and they work
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I haven't tried any DHEA products yet, but the best thing about these in my opinion is the fact you stay on longer. More time to enjoy intense pumps and more time to train for gains.
 
retroscapers said:
I haven't tried any DHEA products yet, but the best thing about these in my opinion is the fact you stay on longer. More time to enjoy intense pumps and more time to train for gains.
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Yes you can stay on longer in fact we recommend 8 week cycles and I am currently running a 12 week cycle myself. Longer cycles typically produce better sustained gains and given PCT is also much easier overall it is a win win imo.
 
ryansm said:
Yes you can stay on longer in fact we recommend 8 week cycles and I am currently running a 12 week cycle myself. Longer cycles typically produce better sustained gains and given PCT is also much easier overall it is a win win imo.
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Just curious but what is your current cycle and pct ?
 
Austinmck17 said:
Just curious but what is your current cycle and pct ?
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AM at 6 pills a day weeks 1-12
AE 5 pumps a day weeks 6-12
Trenazone weeks 1-6

PCT will be 4 weeks Torem 120/90/60/30 and the TRS with an additional 4 weeks of SA solo stacked with Anabeta Elite I may throw in a low dose of Osta in PCT if I can get regular intervals of blood work to show it isn't inhibiting recovery
 
JoeySon said:
Everybody wants this, truth is the most "mild" ph's are the non-methylated. Typically mild on liver=mild gains so you'll be hard pressed to find a non methylated PH that will put good size on you. Try m-lgm, trenazone, or trenavar
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Agreed here. You'll see great gains with Trenazone or Trenavar. M-LMG I don't know about running it solo.
 
Stano, lmg, androseries,alpha series,trenazone,sarms are also a option. Some winny clones, 11-oxo 1 ad and 4ad . Quite a selection actually.
 
pyrobatt said:
Stano, lmg, androseries,alpha series,trenazone,sarms are also a option. Some winny clones, 11-oxo 1 ad and 4ad . Quite a selection actually.
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lmg is methylated just not a 17 a methyl so it's not as damaging.
 
Austinmck17 said:
lmg is methylated just not a 17 a methyl so it's not as damaging.
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I was under impression (13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one ) is UN methylated.
 
Just go pure topical cycle!

2 mls of trenazone a day

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-Matt
 
Just did 5 pumps of old Pp 1T --- about passed out after 3 hrs from lethargy........gosh how do people tolerate that feeling?

-Matt
 
lboston said:
Nice-how long/ how many pounds you up?
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I did six weeks and averaged just under a pound of lean mass per week. I then did a short 2-week dbol cycle. I'm now back to cruising on the AMS, Forerunner, and PP products (along with my TRT cream).

My plan is to do 8 - 12 weeks on these mild hormones and incorporate short 2 - 3 week harsher cycles periodically.
 
jerrysiii said:
I did six weeks and averaged just under a pound of lean mass per week. I then did a short 2-week dbol cycle. I'm now back to cruising on the AMS, Forerunner, and PP products (along with my TRT cream).

My plan is to do 8 - 12 weeks on these mild hormones and incorporate short 2 - 3 week harsher cycles periodically.
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Jerry sounds like you are staying regimented more than ever and continuing to make progress....very happy for you

-Matt
 
550-XD is fantastic in my personal opinion. It in non-methylated and has a built in liver protection and estrogen blocker matrix. It is awesome for a re-comp. I ran 3 bottles at 4 caps per day and gained around 4 lbs while stripping around 9% body fat. PCT consisted of 2 PCT Revolution Black and 6 caps of Pure Test DAA. Yes I am a Finaflex Rep, but I have personally used this product and had great results. Good Luck!
 
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