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GMG760's cutting down for the San Diego Summer!

So a few changes. I started to get puffy nips over the weekend, they were starting to sting/burn. So I dropped the tren and all the puffyness is almost gone. I am continuing on with the Hdrol, and adding 4 weeks of Oristan A in place of the tren.

This means my diet is getting peeled back again, the protein is going to stay the same, just a little less on the carbs... just a little.

Anyway, did chest/triceps today. I am incorporating DC style techniques more and more into my workout. I really like the workout I get from the rest pause sets.

Chest
Bench - 135x15, 185x10, 205x9 r-p, 205x6 r-p, 205x5
Incline Smith - platex15, plate+25x10 r-p, same x 7 r-p, same x 5
Champagnes - 35'sx12x2sets
Cross overs - 50x15, 60x12, 70x14

Triceps
skull crushers - 25sx15, 50sx7, 35x10, 35x10
Dips - BWx15, x16, x20
Rope pressdowns - 100x10 x3sets

30 minutes walking uphill.
 
Did you get any discharge from the tren? If so you can run VItex throughout the rest of the cycle.

DC has been treating me well. I love going with heavy weights from the get go.
 
Yea... no discharge, just puffiness. I am running Formestane though, so it has to be prolactin related... no more progestins for me.

Not sure if I just lost so much fat so quickly that past gyno started to show, but the symptoms have lessened/nearly vanished since I have stopped the tren. There is just a small mass of tissue that I am fairly certain isn't fat that I can feel/have been able to feel. It seems like it grew a bit and has now resided to the size it once was.


I may have gotten a small amount of gyno from my Mdrol cycle, once again from prolactin.

I am starting to believe (as I went back and looked through pictures of myself at the beach over the years) that I had teenage gyno ( a small case) and was always just too soft to ever notice what it really was.

hell, I have ran ATD in the past a bunch of times before I ever knew what it was or how to cycle it. It could have started then... who really knows.

Either way, it's the nature of the beast that I have been playing with, so I am not gonna be a b*tch and sit around griping or worrying about my gyno. I know it's there, but I sincerely doubt anyone else would unless I cut to say 4-6%bf.

I have been thinking about running some low dose nolva to see if it will break up any of the tissue, but I don't want to go wrong with the nolva if this is in fact prolactin gyno. Any advice?
 
tim1985 said:
You ever use caber, G?
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No... thought about it, heard it has some interesting sides... the pituitary gland is something I don't want to mess with without research.

You think Caber would fix gyno that is already there? I thought it just stopped what was happening, not reverse it.

Any advice on caber? I have also been reading about bromocriptine, but I really don't know much about that either.

Any advice is welcome.

BTW, my case of gyno is miniscule, I'm not really tripping out on it... just curious if I can do something about it a this point in the game.
 
The only time I have heard of gyno being reduced once its calcified is a taper up and taper down of letro and 2 weeks of Nolva at the end. But EVERY dude says its the worst month of their life. No libido, joints feel like glass shards... F*ck that.

Nolva took care of the bumps I had... Mine were very small and soft though.
 
Yeah , Ive heard caber has its own set of possible sides also. I don't think it will help with gyno(I believe its really just for preventing prolactin sides).

Ive heard letro can zap gyno pretty good. Hell, its cheaper than most of the otc AI's out there and more effective.
 
tim1985 said:
Yeah , Ive heard caber has its own set of possible sides also. I don't think it will help with gyno(I believe its really just for preventing prolactin sides).

Ive heard letro can zap gyno pretty good. Hell, its cheaper than most of the otc AI's out there and more effective.
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But again, good chance you'll hate life... And risk heart valve complications..
 
Bromo or Caber is your best bet against gyno sides from prolactin. No fluid so that's good. There has never really been a time I have seen prolactin developing gyno;estrogen usually does that. Nolva is your best bet. Caber is expensive and will only alleviate symptoms and discharge.
 
I would run b6 200 mg twice a day and taper 60mg Nolva down. It isn't going to go away over night, but progressively you'll see progress. You said it is small so it's your call.
 
MrBigPR said:
I would run b6 200 mg twice a day and taper 60mg Nolva down. It isn't going to go away over night, but progressively you'll see progress. You said it is small so it's your call.
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I'm probably gonna follow this advice.

Should I start now or wait until my Hdrol cycle is finished?
 
If you feel itchy pain and puffiness start Nolva. Up the b6 regardless and continue on with your cycle. After about 7-10 days you can go back down on the b6. You'll know if you need to cut everything short.
 
GMG760 said:
I'm probably gonna follow this advice.

Should I start now or wait until my Hdrol cycle is finished?
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I'd wait until after the H-Drol bro. Until then, use that transdermal Form directly on your nips. You might just be suprised how effective it is!!!
 
buster0371 said:
wow right on the nips aye? interesting
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It's "eh" like the Canadians say. Not "aye" unless you are a pirate. Actually that really wouldn't surprise me these days.

Yea, Form on the nips is a good one for sure. However, I was already doing that and had no results from it.

One dose of 40mg nolva, and it is starting to seriously go away. I am gonna run a week of 40mg, and see where I'm at. I'll obviously drop it to 20mg for a week after that. Then a couple weeks off... then my toremifine I guess. The Nolva seems to be doing the trick. I guess it was estro-related after all... which actually makes me wonder where I got it from in the first place... I am actually thinking I may have gotten it from improper ATD use.
 
GMG760 said:
It's "eh" like the Canadians say. Not "aye" unless you are a pirate. Actually that really wouldn't surprise me these days.

Yea, Form on the nips is a good one for sure. However, I was already doing that and had no results from it.

One dose of 40mg nolva, and it is starting to seriously go away. I am gonna run a week of 40mg, and see where I'm at. I'll obviously drop it to 20mg for a week after that. Then a couple weeks off... then my toremifine I guess. The Nolva seems to be doing the trick. I guess it was estro-related after all... which actually makes me wonder where I got it from in the first place... I am actually thinking I may have gotten it from improper ATD use.
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Anal pirate maybe.

Nolv will do the trick. I'd just run 40 for another day or 2, then go 20 for a week... After that just cut the pills in half and finish out the cycle. I'll guinea pig the swap to Torem for you.
 
Torem is some potent stuff. Random ejaculations are known to occur.

Id go for 10 days on the Nolva. Should know how everything is by then.
 
hahaha oh gawd
 
GMG760 said:
I guess it was estro-related after all... which actually makes me wonder where I got it from in the first place... I am actually thinking I may have gotten it from improper ATD use.
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I know CraigMatthews experienced a gyno flairup due to his use of ATD. The folks from AppNut gave him a pretty good protocol to follow while on his cycle of The One and it cleared him up pretty well.
 
Yea, I am still kinda skeptical about the whole "I lost my gyno from taking a pro-hormone" deal. Or did craig get gyno from the one... I know it was from ATD after his Hdrol cycle... but it flared up on the one? Or the one took it away?

Either way, the nolva is working to my knowlege. I'll probably be posting pictures soon, you guys will see it's not really a big deal what is going on, just that I had to stop the Tren before it got bad.
 
Good to hear you got it uncer control to your satisfaction. Stick with the results and move on I think.

Other wise things are going well?
 
MATTYO1977 said:
Good to hear you got it uncer control to your satisfaction. Stick with the results and move on I think.

Other wise things are going well?
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Yea, things are going well. Starting to feel the Hdrol... today is the first day I felt "on"... I am waiting to go down and workout with DelsolRob, but he isn't off work yet... I feel like tearing the gym apart though. We're doing back, it should be pretty brutal. :head:
 
GMG760 said:
Yea, I am still kinda skeptical about the whole "I lost my gyno from taking a pro-hormone" deal. Or did craig get gyno from the one... I know it was from ATD after his Hdrol cycle... but it flared up on the one? Or the one took it away?

Either way, the nolva is working to my knowlege. I'll probably be posting pictures soon, you guys will see it's not really a big deal what is going on, just that I had to stop the Tren before it got bad.
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If I recall correctly, Craig got it from low dose ATD between cycles. He ran Nolva at 60mg for 2 days and then 40mg for the rest of the week if I recall correctly.
 
So yesterday I traveled a few miles down south to train with DelSolRob. Great workout, I had a good time shooting the sh*t with him too... it's too few and far between that you find someone who thinks along the same lines you do for a workout. Crank that ish up another notch! Oh yea, yesterday was the first day that I really felt "on" from the hdrol/oristan-a


Deadlifts:
135x15
225x10
315x10
405x5

close grip lat pulldown:
135x14
165x10
195x6

HS Isolateral Low Row
70x12 (weight on each side)
95x10
120x8

Lower lat/straight arm pressdowns:
40x10, 60x10x2sets

DC Set of preacher curls:
70x12
80x 8 +4 +4

Pinwheel Curls - 35x10, 45x10, 55x8... Yea buddy. PR on that 55.

HS shrugs:
180x20, 270x15, 180x20


All in all great workout. Gyno symptoms are all but gone, the mass is getting smaller and all the puffyness is gone. Feeling pretty lean. Rob said he guessed my BF% was about 10%, and I weigh 197 today. That is probably a 3% loss of bodyfat with no weight lost... actually 4 lbs gained... in two and a half weeks. :D

Yea, the 200 was not "dry"... I imagine I would be more around that if I stayed on the tren... but I really didn't feel like having my extra LBS come from my boobs. :lol:
 
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Enought homo-eroticism Tom. You're being reminiscent of FOG and it's creeping me out.
 
Nice you guys did have a great workout! You and him both! Killer Job Bro!

O and Congratz on the PR!!!!
 
Nice workout bro! Im jealous of those dead #s.
 
Foggy light in the loafers?
 
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