Geraldo Rivera changes mind on 911 Truth

[Mulletsoldier]

Just a phenomenal amount of stupidity here, really. I mean, at the most fundamental of levels.

 

[ax1]

Just luckily your words will drift away in cyberspace eventually and the books will read different.

They arent drifting away.....Even Geraldo Rivera is open minded now to an investigation.

Over the last decade the momentum for 9/11 truth has been only growing, with all the support I previously stated by government officials and engineers,

Do you really see this going away any time soon?

You have to understand, the victims of 9/11 arent going to give up....they will never ever give up.

 

[DAdams91982]

I do love the "Fact" that fire has never brought down a steel structure.

Conspiracy theorists often claim that no steel-framed building ever collapsed due to fire before 9-11. However, this is a complete lie and here are some examples of steel-framed buildings that collapsed due to fire before 9-11-01: The Kader Toy Factory fire, which occurred on May 10, 1993. Buildings 1, 2, and 3 all collapsed as a result of that fire (see Kader Toy FactoryFire).

On Jan 16, 1967, the steel roof of the McCormick Place in Chicago collapsed due to fire (refer to McCormick Fire).

As we see here, in January of 1997 (just over four years BEFORE 9-11 occurred), the $15 million dollar Sight and Sound Theater in Lancaster County, Pa collapsed due to fire.

Go here, and you’ll find a list of steel-framed buildings that collapsed due to fire as the following quote from the above link says,

Two large department store fires in Athens, Greece, in 1980 are documented in the paper by Kyriakos Papaioannoa, 1986.4 These fires began at 3 a.m. on Dec. 19, 1980, with arson being suspected as the cause. The Katrantzos Sport Department Store was an 8-story reinforced concrete building. Its fire started at the 7th floor and rapidly spread throughout the building, due to lack of vertical or horizontal compartmentation and the absence of sprinklers. Collected evidence indicated that the fire temperatures reached 1000°C over the 2- to 3-hour fire duration, and the firefighters concentrated on containing the fire spread to the adjacent buildings. Upon termination of these fires, it was discovered that a major part of the 5th to 8th floors had collapsed. Various other floor and column failures throughout the Katrantzos Building were also observed (see Figure 1). The cause of these failures was considered to be restraint of the differential thermal expansion of the structure that overloaded its specific elements or connections. On May 21, 1987, Sao Paulo had one of the biggest fires in Brazil, which precipitated a substantial partial collapse of the central core of the tall CESP Building 2.

Another quote from fpemag.com states,

A fire-initiated full collapse of a textile factory occurred in Alexandria, Egypt, on July 19, 2000. This 6-story building was built of reinforced concrete, and its fire started at about 9 a.m. in the storage room at the ground floor. Fire extinguishers were nonfunctional, and the fire spread quickly before the firefighters could arrive. An electrical short-circuit accelerated the fire spread. At about 6 p.m., nine hours after the start of the fire, when the blaze seemingly was under control and subsiding, the building suddenly collapsed, killing 27 people. Figure 3 shows a photograph of this collapse.

As you can see, the statement that no steel-framed building ever collapsed due to fire before 9-11 is a blatant lie that the 9-11 “Truth” Movement should be ashamed of.

Let's not forget the Protec demolition report from implosion world.
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[ax1]

I do love the "Fact" that fire has never brought down a steel structure.


Let's not forget the Protec demolition report from implosion world.
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So these buildings pulverized in near free fall speed all the way the way to the ground like WTC 7 did and perfectly match the way a controlled demolition destroys a building? I dont think so.

Were police and fire fighters telling everybody on the streets to back off because they were going to "pull the building" the same way before the WTC 7 collapse? I dont think so either.

Did they hear an explosion at the moment prior to collapse the same way WTC 7 did? I dont think so.

Were there bomb holes all over the building as is starts to collapse as seen in the WTC7 video? I dont think so either.

Did they find Thermate in the rubble the same way that scientists found in the WTC rubble? I dont think so.

Get me some pictures and/or video, I guarantee it didnt pulverize the way WTC 7 did, not even close.

Why did the BBC and CNN report building 7 collapsed before it even collapsed? How can you get that one wrong? A case of early reporting perhaps? Ooops happens all the time.

 

[ax1]

More evidence on the street from witnesses that there were bombs, and other reports of no plane evidence hitting the pentagon, more reports of nothing but a hole in the ground on PA, and more.

No theory here....just witnesses and reporting.

 

[Bionic]

The thermite was used by steel workers to cut the girders into smaller, more manageable pieces for removal. This was debunked quite some time ago.

 

[ax1]

The thermite was used by steel workers to cut the girders into smaller, more manageable pieces for removal. This was debunked quite some time ago.

1 of the samples was collected 10 minutes after the collapse. that would be impossible. the steel cutting operations did not start until later that evening.

"Firefighters accounts of flowing molten metal at ground zero, "like a foundry.""



Here is scientific data of high temperatures at the WTC site

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"NIST provides a maximum gas temperature due to WTC fires of 1,000 °C:
In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires. The
melting point of steel is about 1,500 degrees Celsius (2,800 degrees Fahrenheit). Normal building fires
and hydrocarbon (e.g., jet fuel) fires generate temperatures up to about 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,000
degrees Fahrenheit). NIST reported maximum upper layer air temperatures of about 1,000 degrees
Celsius (1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) in the WTC towers (for example, see NCSTAR 1, figure 6-36)
[17].
Based on this comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed
because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing
insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple
floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached
temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with
dislodged fireproofing to the"

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Molten Metals under WTC 6 weeks after 9/11

 

[Bionic]

Yeah, I doubt that it was collected 10 mins after the collapse. No one was collecting **** in that mayhem. And in that picture and video you posted, where does it prove that the collapse of #7 was reported a half hour early? Did I miss something? Is it possible that building circled in the pic isn't #7? Not trying to argue but there is a reason that "truthers" are still singing the same song with no proof almost a decade later.

 

[ax1]

Yeah, I doubt that it was collected 10 mins after the collapse. No one was collecting **** in that mayhem. And in that picture and video you posted, where does it prove that the collapse of #7 was reported a half hour early? Did I miss something? Is it possible that building circled in the pic isn't #7? Not trying to argue but there is a reason that "truthers" are still singing the same song with no proof almost a decade later.

I added to my previous post, please check it out. There was still molten metal 6 weeks later.

BBC is reporting the WTC 7 collapsed and you can still see it behind them. Thats 100% building 7 in the pic.

I dont feel that you are arguing, you are asking constructive questions.

The important part is not to come to a definitive conclusion, but to analyze what happened that day.

 

[ax1]

Ground Zero ironworkers on 9/11 anomalies

 

[ax1]

Alex Jones predicted terrorist events were going to happen on 7/25/01.

He was pleading us all to call the White House in 7/2001 telling them we knew what was coming.



Bill Cooper predicted it even earlier in more detail on 6/28/2001. Bill was murdered less than 2 months after 9/11 by police.



If you want to listen to the whole Bill Cooper prediction listen below. This is just part 1 of 8, the rest are found on youtube.

If your crunched for time, he doesnt really start getting into it until the Part 2/8 at the 2 minute mark. He gets into the Oklahoma city bombing for a while at this point, but its important to listen to. Part 4 he gets directly into Osama and the soon to happen terrorist attack.

 

[ax1]

Three is no theory here....just more evidence and multiple witnesses that day of the sub level explosions. I posted video's like this earlier in the thread but here are many new ones I havent posted yet. There are multiple and multiple accounts out there.

Included detailed account of people who WERE in the building of the sub-level explosion that happened prior to the plane hitting.

9/11: WTC sub-level explosions



9/11 Port Authority cop heard explosion before WTC collapse



9/11 Cop says numerous secondary explosions heard in WTC



9/11: WTC survivor experienced explosions



9/11 Witness heard explosion before the south tower collapse



9/11 explosion but no plane



9/11 Eyewitness to Twin Towers Basement Explosion

"A WTC worker hints at a pre-collapse explosion in the basement of Tower 1."



9/11: WTC ground level fireballs

 

[ax1]

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

note at the time of this news clip 700+ engineers were in the movement, now it has increased to over 1,300+ engineers.



Architects for 9/11 inquiry: Fire couldn't demolish WTC in 11 seconds



Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Part 1 of 13 - Presentation by Richard Gage

 

[ax1]

Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth

 

[ntornado]

Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth

2:11 is very interesting.

 

[ax1]

Fire Fighters for 9/11 truth

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Quote:
"An Appeal to Firefighters, Present and Past from a retired FDNY Lieutenant

Fellow Firefighters, A great tragedy befell our community on September 11, 2001, an unprecedented 343 deaths in the line of duty. As horrible as that toll is, if there were a rational explanation for it, we could accept it and mourn. We all understood the risk we accepted when we took the oath of office, that chance might cut short our lives when we placed ourselves in harm’s way in the public’s service. This is what we are paid for and it is our honor. However, in short, the official explanation of the events of that day are not only insufficient, they are fantastic and cannot bear rational examination. We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. We are asked to believe that the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, that responded to sixty-eight emergencies in the year prior to 9-11 in less than twenty minutes allowed aircraft to wander about for up to an hour and a half. We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”. There is much, much more if anyone cares to look into it. Trade Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish, which takes days if not weeks to prepare. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED AND LEFT IT AT THAT. Brothers, I know that the implications of the above are hard, almost unthinkable, but the official explanation is utter nonsense, and three hundred and forty three murdered brothers are crying out for justice. Demand a genuine investigation into the events of September 11!

-Anton Vodvarka, Lt. FDNY (ret)"
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About Us

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"Firefighters for 9-11 Truth is a non-partisan association of firefighters and affiliates created to increase awareness, provide public education, demand a real investigation that follows National Standards, and provide support to our Brothers and Sisters in need. We are deeply troubled by the “official story,” and the way the rescue workers from Ground Zero are being forgotten.

We believe there is overwhelming evidence of obstruction of justice, and destruction of evidence voiced even by numerous 9/11 Commissioners themselves. Senator Cleland resigned from the Commission stating, “This investigation is now compromised.”

NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) 921, which is the National Standard for Fire and Explosion Investigations, very clearly indicates in numerous sections that the possibility of explosives should have been thoroughly investigated. Specifically in NFPA 921 18.3.2 High Order Damage - “High-order damage is characterized by shattering of the structure, producing small, pulverized debris. Walls, roofs, and structural members are splintered or shattered, with the building completely demolished. Debris is thrown great distances, possibly hundreds of feet. High-order damage is the result of rapid rates of pressure rise.” World Trade Center’s 1, 2, and 7 all clearly met this definition; therefore they should have been thoroughly investigated and analyzed for explosives. Specifically, the use of “exotic accelerants” should have been investigated. In NFPA 921 19.2.4 -”Exotic Accelerants,” three indicators were clearly met that should have led to a thorough investigation in to the possible use of “exotic accelerants,”￾ specifically as stated in the guideline, “Thermite mixtures.”￾

So, why was the possibility of explosives, controlled demolition, or the use of “exotic accelerants” not thoroughly investigated, or even mentioned in the 9-11 Commission Report?

Firefighters for 9-11 Truth demand the following:

1. A truly independent investigation with Subpoena and Contempt Powers to uncover the complete truth of the events related to 9/11/2001, specifically the collapse of WTC Tower 7 and the possibility of explosive demolition.
2. The investigation to follow the national standards so clearly outlined in the National Fire Protection Association guidelines, specifically, NFPA 921 to include thorough analysis of the steel for the presence of “exotic accelerants.”
3. Congress to honor the promises made to the rescue workers of 9/11 by passing the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2008.
4. Prosecution of all individuals willfully involved in the planning, and execution of the murders committed on September 11, 2001.
5. Prosecution of all individuals willfully involved in the Obstruction of Justice and Destruction of Evidence surrounding the events of September 11, 2001.

We challenge you to look at the evidence with an open mind and make judgments. Remember, you don’t have to be an expert to sit on a jury, and you have the right to be critical of, and demand answers from the “experts.”￾ Take the time to gather facts, and have the courage to ask for more. If you come to the same conclusion as the FBI, and don’t place him on your “most wanted” list, then have the courage to help find those responsible for the death of so many of our Brothers and Sisters. We all need to show some courage by demanding answers, justice, and fair treatment for the Ground Zero Rescue Workers!!"

 

[ShadowFury]

Also is there any chance that combustable materials and natural gas could possibly be causes of secondary explosions?

I was thinking that too.

I personally don't believe in aliens and rarely give the time to listen to conspiracy theories (some seem fishy, I agree, but the conspiracies usually seem fishier).

Ax, are they bringing the moon with them? Is that how you're getting the moon to you in 2015? You genius you :lol:

 

[ax1]

I was thinking that too.

There was an explosion before the plane hit the building in the basement, possibly B2. People died in the basement right from the beginning.

This guy in this video can be seen on the video of the day of 9/11 in the following video at 9:21





Also, the entire lobby was ripped out as reported by eye witnesses, which leads the the question can combustible materials really cause that much damage"

"There was no lobby, "The lobby was totally gone" vvvvvvvvv "I believe the bomb hit the lobby first and then a couple of seconds later the plane hit"

 

[ShadowFury]

Eh, that last vid is weird... there was ash on freaking EVERYTHING, those woman are in perfect condition :/

And if there was a bomb, there should be a lot more about it than 3 woman interviewed by a news woman...

That, and women are the worst at saying how much damage was done and such. I've heard of women that were in car accidents and said "OMFG IT WAS CRAZY BLABLABLA" then you see the car and the only thing wrong with it was that a corner was crunched in.

No, that isn't sexism. It's reality.

 

[ax1]

Eh, that last vid is weird... there was ash on freaking EVERYTHING, those woman are in perfect condition :/

If you really knew women, you also better know these chicks have their 60 second drill down to look good on TV, lol

 

[Ansatsuken]

That whole day was screwy...
Loose Change the newer edition touches on some perfectly valid questions that are still to this day unanswered. Sucks that we can't just hear the "Black Box" recordings of the flights.

In for "Magic Passport."

 

[ax1]

Judge Napolitano and Geraldo Rivera discuss Building 7

Ran into a follow up by Geraldo Rivera to the original post of my thread

 

[ax1]

Demolition Expert: "This Is Controlled Demolition"

Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko sees footage of World Trade Center Building 7's collapse for the first time and concludes immediately and unequivocally that it is controlled demolition.

 

[thebigt]

you have convinced me there needs to be more investigation done-but who will convince the powers that be? if there is gov duplicity they will NEVER admit to it-NEVER!

 

[ax1]

CONSPIRACY THEORY'S "9-11 PENTAGON" EPISODE AIRS TONIGHT, FRI DEC. 17 AT 10 PM EST / 9 PM CST ON TRUTV

They will be talking to survivors, including a US Army specialist who was in the pentagon the morning of 9/11 and walked out the hole that the supposed "airplane" created with her baby (yes she bought her baby to work that day,)

also, interviews with former NASA engineer, professional pilots, and a confrontation with an actual 9/11 commision member + much more.

 

[Jayhawkk]

My co-worker was there that day and it was a plane that hit the building. You never have all "experts" agreeing on anything. Just because one or even a few say it was controlled doesn't mean it was. Having few people believe it was a government conspiracy seems to be all of the proof some people need yet they willingly ignore the many more people saying it was something else... Like planes flying into buildings.

 

[ax1]

Last nights episode was explosive!!!

Here it is....

Pentagon and 9/11 with Jesse Ventura

 

[ax1]

'Huge Explosion At Base Of South Tower' - 911 UPN9 NEWS -

Released under F.O.I.A.

More released! Lets keep the hard work and support the F.O.I.A. (Freedom of Information Act) and have the rest of the 2TB+ (2001 technology, so thats massive!) of footage all released from N.I.S.T.

 

[thebigt]

My co-worker was there that day and it was a plane that hit the building. You never have all "experts" agreeing on anything. Just because one or even a few say it was controlled doesn't mean it was. Having few people believe it was a government conspiracy seems to be all of the proof some people need yet they willingly ignore the many more people saying it was something else... Like planes flying into buildings.

the day before 911 rumsfeld had said that 2.3 TRILLION dollars were missing, and they had no clue where it was. the next day the pentagon's record room containing all the info that could have been used to track the money was destroyed by whatever the hell it was that expldoded into the pentagon. of all the places that could have been hit, it was the one area that could lead to the missing money.

btw-no mention of the 2.3 TRILLION dollars was ever made after 911. the missing money has become a forgotten issue-2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS.

even the most ardent goverment supporter has to admit that the timing was a bit too perfect.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Do you honestly believe that is the only huge crapfest going on in the goverment? Do you think it would be easier to arrange to have missles and explosives prearranged while also having jets crash in perfect areas or just misinform/change the documents? even if you blew the hell out of these areas to cover the missing money, this isn't 1912... There is more than one copy and guaranteed it's on digits somewhere and can be reproduced.


I'm not a supporter of the governement. I just know that basic events can't even be done without mess ups and information leaks.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

this subject is nothing but a nasty can of worms.

i have my opinions on 911 and havent spoke on them in awhile.



IMO its a little late to be questioning any of it. Back in 03, 04, and 05 I was passing out as many "In Plane Sight" dvds I could. Hundreds if not thousands of them. I would tell anyone that would listen, that the official 911 fables didnt add up.


EVERY and I mean EVERY single person that watched that video by the PowerHour had a different attitude towards me and my thoughts of 911 after viewing it with an OPEN MIND.

The damage is done and the money is spent.

Does it really matter now?

Beat a dead horse?


I really loved the individuals that just got mad and called me a traitor and told me leave the country. LMAO.

 

[ax1]

Does it really matter now?

Beat a dead horse?

I could have lost my sister back in '93, she was across the street of the bombing. Perhaps the same "Does it really matter now about '93" in 2001 show that if you just let these things go they tend to repeat themselves.

I just know that basic events can't even be done without mess ups and information leaks.

There is a massive amount of mess ups and information leaks about 9/11....thats what the whole thread is about and why I created it, its bring those out publicly. I've only touched a very small part of it

As far as the pentagon goes.....we are talking about 2001 technology. Its not like people carried massive amounts of data in their wallets. Great lengths were taken to destroy the information and the ones who had a copy were the ones involved such as Rumsfeld.

Why dont they just released the security footage, what are they hiding that they cant release all the security footage.

I know this is a repost but I have to post this again Its General of all American Intelligence and he has been investigating these events for many years.
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"Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984, commanding 15,000 intelligence and security personnel. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career. Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.

General of all American Intelligence: 911 was a fraud!

 

[thebigt]

Do you honestly believe that is the only huge crapfest going on in the goverment? Do you think it would be easier to arrange to have missles and explosives prearranged while also having jets crash in perfect areas or just misinform/change the documents? even if you blew the hell out of these areas to cover the missing money, this isn't 1912... There is more than one copy and guaranteed it's on digits somewhere and can be reproduced.


I'm not a supporter of the governement. I just know that basic events can't even be done without mess ups and information leaks.

the money is still missing-and the official story is that ALL documents and info pertaining to it were destroyed on 911.


2.3 TRILLION is a lot of money. combine that with the coincidence of the exact location of all the info on the missing money being stored in the one little area that was hit........and you have one hell of a huge coincidence.


we are talking about 2.3 TRILLION!!!!!! that is one hell of a motivation for all kinds of evil doing-even more motivation to cover up that kind of evil doing.

 

[Jayhawkk]

I guess the next question is... if you honestly believe this then how can you stay in a country that does this? If I believed that this was a government cover up i'd be getting a new citizenship and posting youtube vids and calling it a day.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

I guess the next question is... if you honestly believe this then how can you stay in a country that does this? If I believed that this was a government cover up i'd be getting a new citizenship and posting youtube vids and calling it a day.

Is that really the next question?

lmao. Jay, come one.

Pulled out the stops on this one did ya?

911 subject discussion seems to always be severely closed minded, i rarely entertain it anymore.


Im out. Happy Holidays and 2011 will be a good year!!!

 

[ax1]

I guess the next question is... if you honestly believe this then how can you stay in a country that does this? If I believed that this was a government cover up i'd be getting a new citizenship and posting youtube vids and calling it a day.

You dont have to love your government to love your country. The jobs of these politicians is to be public servants, and when they go out of hand its our job to expose them and fight corruption and the destruction of the constitution. I love America, Im here to stay and fighting for truth and protecting our rights is a very patriotic thing to do.

 

[Bionic]

I wonder if this is the "atom bomb" that Julian Assange has in case of his demise.

 

[thebigt]

I guess the next question is... if you honestly believe this then how can you stay in a country that does this? If I believed that this was a government cover up i'd be getting a new citizenship and posting youtube vids and calling it a day.

it is not always a bad move to be critical of the government. many of the vietnam era war protesters are now in elected offices. those very same anti-government protesters who many of us are now being critical of.

 

[ax1]

New Documentary

In Their Own Words: The Untold Stories of the 9/11 Families

A feature-length interview with numerous concerned victims’ family members.



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"I believe that the public is still uninformed about most of the issues that are surrounding 911. I think that they still believe in the myth that there was nothing we could do about it, that we were caught unaware, and that today we would be better prepared. In late 2006, the movie 9/11 Press For Truth became a worldwide underground hit. It exposed the story of the “Jersey Girls” and their allies – the 9/11 families who had fought for the Commission but ultimately failed in seeing 70% of their questions answered.

IN THEIR OWN WORDS: THE UNTOLD STORIES OF THE 9/11 FAMILIES is the new, official companion DVD to 9/11 Press For Truth. Over 2 hours of unseen families’ interviews and rare news clips originally intended for inclusion in the movie ended up on the cutting room floor – until now.

A unique, balanced look at a diverse group of topics includes: Top officials’ whereabouts and changing stories on the day of 9/11; Insider trading before the attacks; War games coinciding with Sept. 11th; A confrontation between the families and FBI Director Mueller; British reports that some of the hijackers named by the FBI are simply wrong; Government whistleblowers’ calls for accountability; The FBI informant who lived with 2 of the hijackers; A Defense Department program that identified 4 hijackers in 2000; The families’ push to receive the Pentagon crash tapes; Bin Laden extradition negotiations after 9/11; The Project For the New American Century."

 

[ax1]

9/11/01 Eyewitness: “As The Bombs Were Going….I Sat And Watched A Few Of Them Explode”

"More video footage from the NIST FOIA Files. Note: So many of these suppressed & never before seen clips would have been bombshell revelations if released 5 years ago, and would have been heavily debated over. Yet, in the form of a mass data dump after NIST was forced to answer an FOIA in 2010/2011, there is little notice or discussion of media that continues to confirm was truthers have argued for years."

 

[ax1]

Mayor Bloomberg Confiscates 9/11 Cop's Corpse During Wake



9/11 NYPD Officers Body Snatched By New York City To Deny Illness Linked To 9/11

New York City authorities were allegedly so hell-bent on proving that an NYPD cop did not die of a 9/11-related illness that morgue workers were dispatched to a funeral home to take away the body while his grieving family was holding a memorial service, the New York Post reported Wednesday, citing sources."Ten minutes before the wake, the medical examiner called us and said they need to reclaim the body," said Howard Wong, 40, whose brother, George, died on March 24 after a two-year battle with gastric cancer aged 48."The Health Department had issues with the wording on the cause of death -- that he died from exposure to 9/11 toxins -- and they ordered the [Chief] Medical Examiner's Office to do it over," Howard Wong claimed.The family was permitted to carry out the open casket wake Monday night, but the body was taken by the Medical Examiner's Office around 10:00pm local time -- forcing George Wong's relatives to postpone Tuesday's planned viewing and also delay his cremation and funeral."They totally disrespected our family. Now my brother can't even rest in peace because of this," the younger brother said. "I feel horrible, my mother is crying."George Wong, who received a disability retirement in 2006 after 20 years on the force, always believed his disease was caused by his time at Ground Zero following the 9/11 attacks.His hospice doctor, Lyla Correoso, agreed, writing "cancer" from "9/11 toxic exposure" on his death certificate.But a Department of Health bureaucrat sounded the alarm after spotting the finding on the funeral home's cremation permit.The city's official policy remains that there was no conclusive link between exposure to Ground Zero toxins and "emerging illnesses, including cancer," said Health Department spokeswoman Susan Craig.The deceased cop's furious family refused to permit an autopsy, so the city's Chief Medical Examiner's Office did an "external examination," photographed the body, and changed the cause of death to "pending."Only after any mention of 9/11 was scrubbed from his death certificate was the family allowed to collect the body Tuesday -- at their own expense. An abbreviated wake, cremation and funeral -- complete with NYPD pallbearers -- were scheduled for Wednesday.George Wong, who spent several weeks doing security after the Twin Towers fell, should be treated better by the city, his former colleagues said."It's reprehensible. You don't give the body back to the morgue," said a police source who knew George Wong. "Even perps don't deserve this. It's about being a human being. Everyone is livid over this."

 

[Boatcop1]

That just doesnt make sense, Im going to side with the 1,200 engineers if you want to side with experts. The building is a steel structure building that fell in 2.5 seconds, and it totally pulverized within itself all the way to the ground, and the fires were almost all out and were only on a couple of floors. It almost fell completely freefall speed with no resistance, and there are bomb holes going off all over the building.

Larry Silverstein admits he made the call to pull the building on a PBS documentary later on, but now he denies that. The police were telling people on the streets to move back because they are going to "pull" the building.

So what do you of the multiple explosions? Including the ones in the sub-basement in the WTC.

I dont think you need an expert to tell you that, you need witnesses, which they are many including firefighters inside the building. The firefighter's video was recent which was pulled with the freedom of information act.

1200 engineers? Wow, now I'm a believer! Who are they? Are they independant? Can you cite some sourses here? I'm intrigued. 1200 Engineers? well darn it all! Just curious as to how many structural engineers there are on this planet? Hmmmm and i remember reading AE911truth.com that the number was infact only 9 engineers but whatever it really dosent matter because they're loony just like you truthers.

I like how truthers massage stories to fit their agenda, the building was made of steel, yes, they were struck by fully loaded jets ready for trans continental flight (loaded with fuel) yes. Do you know what temperature jp5 burns at? let alone that amount? How about the plane penetrating elevator and vent shafts spreading wild fire down many floors triggering even more fires! I bet you think "well that cannot cause secondary explosions" haha maybe, maybe not. But I bet the fact that thousands and thousands of tons of steel falling down on itself would create enormous pressure pockets as it falls in on itself perpetuating secondary bursts and explosions until it falls. 2.5 seconds? Ahh No, I was there, I watched it, try again.

You watch alot of PBS huh? Let me guess Huffington post? MSNBC

I mean really man what were you expecting? The fire to just go out with the installed sprinklers? Oh thats right they didn't work. (I bet they were disabled right?) So if they got to the fire and extuinguished it or didn't would you assume that some kind of structural failure would eventually take place? I mean a frigging jet flew into a building! According to you that is an acceptable scenario that can be dealt with from a engineering standpoint on the spot? What did you expect the top of the building to just pop off and hang off the side like a can of soup?

But yeah I buy that OUR government DID:

1. kill inocent americans
2. is hiding americans and airplanes in a warehoue or area 51!
3. Install controlled demolition devices on all those buildings.
4. lie to us and say that 2 planes hit the pentagon and shanksville when they were actually missles, i mean really really big missles that shread apart to look like airplanes with tires and wheels when they impact at 600 mph.
5. plan all this and coordinate all this with the FBI, CIA, FAA, USAF, etc etc!
6. Did do all this to attack Iraq and take their oil. By the way we still have not got an oil from Iraq and I'm a little pissed about that!

Strong logic:*******:

 

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But yeah I buy that OUR government DID:
1. kill inocent americans
2. is hiding americans and airplanes in a warehoue or area 51!
3. Install controlled demolition devices on all those buildings.
4. lie to us and say that 2 planes hit the pentagon and shanksville when they were actually missles, i mean really really big missles that shread apart to look like airplanes with tires and wheels when they impact at 600 mph.
5. plan all this and coordinate all this with the FBI, CIA, FAA, USAF, etc etc!
6. Did do all this to attack Iraq and take their oil. By the way we still have not got an oil from Iraq and I'm a little pissed about that!

Strong logic:*******:

9/11 isn't the first time the government planned to stage false flag terror and blame it on other governments. Operation Northwoods was placed on Kennedy's desk, but he refused to follow along with it fortunately.

Operation Northwoods
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And lets not forget the Gulf on Tonkin incident that cost the lives of 60,000 of my previous generation. This was a false staged attack on the USA, and we started a war over that.
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(Freedom Watch) Air Date: April 6, 2011
Jesse Ventura and Judge Napolitano: Operation Northwoods, 9/11, and Wikileaks



Riz Khan - Jesse Ventura: Clandestine US missions

"Has the US secretly started wars and assassinated leaders? We talk to Jesse Ventura, the former governor of the US state of Minnesota, about his controversial new book, '63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You to Read'. In the book, Ventura has published dozens of previously classified US government papers that seem to suggest Washington may have secretly provoked the Vietnam War, lied to the American people about the actual threat of terrorism and experimented on its own soldiers."

 

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9/11 Commissioner slips up, says missile hit Pentagon

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Former 9/11 Commissioner Tim Roemer slips up and says a missile hit the Pentagon on 9/11. George W. Bush also slips up and describes explosives in the World Trade Center towers. Donald Rumsfeld slips up as well saying that United 93 was shot down in Pennsylvania."



"NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON" only once aired report

Clip from news channel on september 11th 2001, clearly stating that no plane hit the pentagon.

 

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9/11 Responders To Be Warned They Will Be Screened By FBI's Terrorism Watch List

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"WASHINGTON -- A provision in the new 9/11 health bill may be adding insult to injury for people who fell sick after their service in the aftermath of the 2001 Al Qaeda attacks, The Huffington Post has learned.

The tens of thousands of cops, firefighters, construction workers and others who survived the worst terrorist assault in U.S. history and risked their lives in its wake will soon be informed that their names must be run through the FBI’s terrorism watch list, according to a letter obtained by HuffPost.

Any of the responders who are not compared to the database of suspected terrorists would be barred from getting treatment for the numerous, worsening ailments that the James Zadroga 9/11 Health And Compensation Law was passed to address.

It’s a requirement that was tacked onto the law during the bitter debates over it last year."

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