Yeah when you get old you'll say wish I was ripped like back in the day, enjoy it not everyone was meant to be big and ripped. I use to bulk up to 240 and decent and everything was better lighter and mean l lean.
Haha, thanks man and I agree. I feel good here and my body feels better. Lighter and faster with good joints. Really appreciate it. And yes, some people are just born the way they are, weâre all unique. God makes us all differently . Iâm hoping to make small changes over time and maintain this quality.Yeah when you get old you'll say wish I was ripped like back in the day, enjoy it not everyone was meant to be big and ripped. I use to bulk up to 240 and decent and everything was better lighter and mean l lean.
This is the planJust try to maintain your leanness while you grow, I made the mistake with too many dirty bulks and then cutting. Looking good half the year, just my thoughts.
Iâll upload them , I lost quality and my abs.Yeah would love to see the peak of bulk pics. Like you had to ask. LOL I have a feeling your idea of going too far is probably still pretty lean. I bet you were uncomfortable with the oats... I love oats but they are just horrible for me. 50g of carbs worth would screw me up for the whole day. Was good with 25g as it kept me full all day but more was just a bad situation for me. So hard to digest. Not for everyone but for many. Plus cheap proteins... ugh... A nice slow growth staying in a lean zone is the way to go. Almost impossible for me. I am born to be fat and muscular. Like a short Country Bubba!
I wouldn't say you were to far out of shape at all. Actually in a great place for gains. However if you were suffering with inflammation issues I would look toward food selections and maybe work back up again. If you are uncomfortable with that body fat level then maybe a percent or so shy of that but you were far from being out of shape for a good lean bulk. Looks like you stopped it at a great point.I was pretty thiccccc though. My traps, chest and delts put on a lot of size
Thanks brother and yes , Iâve adjusted my diet since then. I have problems with certain types of foods and such , but I know what affects me now.I wouldn't say you were to far out of shape at all. Actually in a great place for gains. However if you were suffering with inflammation issues I would look toward food selections and maybe work back up again. If you are uncomfortable with that body fat level then maybe a percent or so shy of that but you were far from being out of shape for a good lean bulk. Looks like you stopped it at a great point.
Agree with Kleen....That diesel look is impressive, ideal for gains and I think overall healthier and masculine looking...Fills out a shirt better too...Jawline still look sharp bro....(just my opinion man)I wouldn't say you were to far out of shape at all. Actually in a great place for gains. However if you were suffering with inflammation issues I would look toward food selections and maybe work back up again. If you are uncomfortable with that body fat level then maybe a percent or so shy of that but you were far from being out of shape for a good lean bulk. Looks like you stopped it at a great point.
Thanks bro! I really appreciate that. Iâm going to try to build my physique back up but harder, denser and with more of a classical look this time around.Agree with Kleen....That diesel look is impressive, ideal for gains and I think overall healthier and masculine looking...Fills out a shirt better too...Jawline still look sharp bro....(just my opinion man)
As for the people in your life commenting negatively on what many would consider a successful lean bulk, they just haters man that donât have your level of commitment to health and fitness...fuk what they think
Yes , Iâm going to try something like this. But you do make the AAS route sound tempting, especially if Iâm competing. Like I said low doses , though but Iâm just not sure.Oh no doubt if you go the assistance route then you can put some size on while keeping the conditioning. You can put some size on while staying pretty damn lean too natty but MUCH slower. You might try lean bulking for 3-4 weeks then cutting for a week, off and on if staying natty and wanting to add size while maintaining good condition. You are very unlikely to lose gained muscle in a week and may spurn extra growth coming off a week of caloric restriction. That or be okay with a .5 maybe 1lb or so gain a month if honestly trying to stay where you are conditioning wise. Just add 100 cals every week until you see conditioning slip a tiny bit then maintain that until conditioning returns and then add another 100-150 cals. It will be a slow process but you can do it.
No worries man!...Youâve got some great genetics, stay natural, keep that hairThanks bro! I really appreciate that. Iâm going to try to build my physique back up but harder, denser and with more of a classical look this time around.
Whatâs weird is I had my parents and others accusing me of AAS use when I was at that point . Maybe people were just mad I was putting on mass . People always said I was genetically not meant to be big but than I got somewhat big .
Thanks for the kind words man . We got this
Thanks brother! And I think youâre right. Aas is tempting but the side effects make me hesitantNo worries man!...Youâve got some great genetics, stay natural, keep that hair
Hey bro, I agree with all of the advice you have given me which is why Iâm going to make the initiative to grow. Youâre 100% correct and I do have body dysmorphia. Thank you, brother. I have to fight these demons and quit being so insecure . Iâm very hard on myself , and I honestly donât like my physique what so ever. Never happy shredded , or bigger. This needs to change from a mental standpoint.By the way definitely not recommending gear. There are hurdles that go along with gear as well. You have already shown yourself that you can get bigger naturally and I am guessing you are young so in a couple years the gains may come more easily too. I think if you can get over the need to be super lean long enough to grow you will be surprised how much mass you can put on. Honestly man your look when bulking was spot on for something to maintain while just growing at a good pace. However if you can't be comfortable and confident @ 10% then you are gonna just take a lot longer to grow bigger. Gear would be about the only way to make gains even remotely quickly while trying to stay super lean. Not a recommendation but a reality for your goals and proposed time frame. I think you should just eat more of the foods that agree with you and let yourself fill out just a bit more and grow for a while if you want to actually be big. I gave 2 great options that are sure fire to work. You just have to be willing to allow the process to take place. Don't let the body dismorphia take over and make you think that 10% is some how to heavy or too soft when it is probably ideal for gaining lean mass. Most will say 10-12% is the sweet spot for natty gains. Trust me you won't find anyone with a healthy perception who is not impressed with your physique at that level.
You are ripped to shreds right now. You need a surplus to grow somewhat quickly. If you were being accused of AAS while on the bulk then people were not thinking you had quit lifting. Maybe quit dieting so hard or someone who is ignorant about the game saying something ridiculous, or just saying it to phuck with you. However you had to have looked much bigger in clothes as filled out as you were and you still had abs... Only an idiot would think you were not lifting then. Just my $0.02...
I really liked that. Thank you.Just remember that your body is in transition and you have to go through your stages to to get to your goals.
Kleenfucius Says:
The larva is free but wants to be beautiful and fly, yet the cocoon stage can be ugly and restrictive but if the larva rejects the cocoon it can not become the butterfly.
Stages my friend. Pride yourself in your station in the journey and do not mistake it for your destination and you will be more pleased with your progress.
Agreed!You're peeled right now. IMO i'd take the full year of 2020 and start adding calories in (obviously a minute amount at a time). Keep at it!
Thanks for the tag! Whatâs the situation exactly? Are you already on trt? Is this going to be your first cycle? Are you asking what kind of first cycle/doses you should do? Just trying to get some infos before I try and help!!If I do decide to start, Iâm thinking TRT test and or, EQ or primo. MAYBE deca, havenât decided @Alchemist11 @Mathb33
Nope , on nothing.Thanks for the tag! Whatâs the situation exactly? Are you already on trt? Is this going to be your first cycle? Are you asking what kind of first cycle/doses you should do? Just trying to get some infos before I try and help!!
What youâre describing is more of a cruise/low dose something I would do when I come off a blast because I never come off.. Iâd say if youâre going to do a cycle thatâs going to shut you down, might as well do a fair amount(nothing crazy) and for not too long. Also, Iâll try and be clear about this but as far as cycling I think the most important is to learn the basic and go from there. How is high estrogen going to feel? Low estrogen? Etc. Letâs say youâre on test deca, how are you going to know which side effect comes from what compound? Itâs really an art tbh. I got to a point I can pin point know how my hormones are for the most part and for that you need to start slow. Iâd go with a test only cycle not because I donât love to stack but because you need to learn how test feels, you need to learn to adjust your AIs, you need to know when you wake and feel a certain way, whatâs causing it. The only thing I would suggest to stack for a first cycle is test/primo. Because primo is basically without sides so anything youâd feel would be from the test!Nope , on nothing.
I was wondering what you thought about as a first cycle
TRT test with either EQ, primo and or deca or npp?
Thanks brother
Okay , awesome and yes, that makes sense. You want the lowest amount of variables possible it sounds like.What youâre describing is more of a cruise/low dose something I would do when I come off a blast because I never come off.. Iâd say if youâre going to do a cycle thatâs going to shut you down, might as well do a fair amount(nothing crazy) and for not too long. Also, Iâll try and be clear about this but as far as cycling I think the most important is to learn the basic and go from there. How is high estrogen going to feel? Low estrogen? Etc. Letâs say youâre on test deca, how are you going to know which side effect comes from what compound? Itâs really an art tbh. I got to a point I can pin point know how my hormones are for the most part and for that you need to start slow. Iâd go with a test only cycle not because I donât love to stack but because you need to learn how test feels, you need to learn to adjust your AIs, you need to know when you wake and feel a certain way, whatâs causing it. The only thing I would suggest to stack for a first cycle is test/primo. Because primo is basically without sides so anything youâd feel would be from the test!
Okay awesome and no problem, your knowledge/experience is much appreciatedThank you for tagging me. If you decide to do that step, I suppose that you want to do that for longer period of time. I wouldn't recomend EQ nor Deca for that, not even at kow dose. From what I've seen, they both have bad impact on heart and few other things. But Primo sounds like a really nice addition to any cycle od even trt
150mg would be pretty stupid. It would basically put you around the same testosterone level you are naturally so you would shut down your system for the same test levels. 400 test solo or 300/300 test/primo would be a great cycle. Personally I would go with test only. Youâll get more gains. Primo shines in different situations, not the greatest drug to build muscle.Okay , awesome and yes, that makes sense. You want the lowest amount of variables possible it sounds like.
Would you do 150-300 Test / 300-500 Primo w/ Aromasin ?
I plan on doing a PCT just because I am still young which will consist of nolvadex and maybe using aromasin a week or two into pct as well, low dose.
Okay so 400 test only is what youâre sticking to? I guess this is the most recommended , I just worry about estro / DHT build up , but thatâs the game you play150mg would be pretty stupid. It would basically put you around the same testosterone level you are naturally so you would shut down your system for the same test levels. 400 test solo or 300/300 test/primo would be a great cycle. Personally I would go with test only. Youâll get more gains. Primo shines in different situations, not the greatest drug to build muscle.
Tbh it depends from a person to another! I donât need an ai up to 400mg. Some people need some at 200mg. We will be here to help you if you make the move bro. As long as youâre listening carefully to your body and read a ton youâll know what ai dose is needed for you fast enough.Okay so 400 test only is what youâre sticking to? I guess this is the most recommended , I just worry about estro / DHT build up , but thatâs the game you play
Thanks man truly appreciate it
Okay, yes, everyone is different and thanks bro. I appreciate having the friendship hereTbh it depends from a person to another! I donât need an ai up to 400mg. Some people need some at 200mg. We will be here to help you if you make the move bro. As long as youâre listening carefully to your body and read a ton youâll know what ai dose is needed for you fast enough.
That makes me feel more comfortable.From your body type @ your avatar I donât see you having bad estrogen conversion and having problem with it.
Hahaha itâs true broSometimes we trash talk a little but hey we big boys on sTeROiNz **** happens
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