GDA's??

chedapalooza said:
Sorry to hear about Harvey man. I recall you sending me a crazy workout actually back in like 2011 and you would rave about recompadrol too. I’m happy to send you a bottle when I get them
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Hey Brother! Just wanted to let you know I just got an email that says my Glycoshield has been delivered!!!! WooHoo! I will get things started up over the weekend, or on Monday.

My Mother In Law is moving back to California this weekend so I will be a bit busy getting her ready and on her way, plus just taking the weekend to myself the wife, and kids to recover from being full time caregivers for the last 9 months. It sure has been challenging but she is doing better and wants to go home to her man now that she is well enough he can handle her care again.

Anyway I will get started and start documenting things either this weekend or beginning Monday.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Hey Brother! Just wanted to let you know I just got an email that says my Glycoshield has been delivered!!!! WooHoo! I will get things started up over the weekend, or on Monday.

My Mother In Law is moving back to California this weekend so I will be a bit busy getting her ready and on her way, plus just taking the weekend to myself the wife, and kids to recover from being full time caregivers for the last 9 months. It sure has been challenging but she is doing better and wants to go home to her man now that she is well enough he can handle her care again.

Anyway I will get started and start documenting things either this weekend or beginning Monday.
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Thanks for letting me know you got it, and best of luck to your mother in law! Rest up and enjoy the family!

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This product is really exceeding my own expectations
 
I have tried to find ingredients that increase ampk and lower ppar gamma. I use berberine, oleuropein, garlic and agmatine.
 
for those who may do low carb/Keto and wonder how Glycøshield will affect your blood sugar.. I just ate a 1650 calorie meal... see below

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And this is my morning reading
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Distilled Water said:
Very similar to my readings with OG version. Very promising
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Especially considering the fat content and it only took me about 1.25 hour to eat that whole thing. Not to mention the possible gluconeogensis from that massive amount of protein....

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Aren't GDA's best used/effective with higher carb diets/meals?
I'd be interested to see the results from a higher carb meal.
 
Slims said:
Aren't GDA's best used/effective with higher carb diets/meals?
I'd be interested to see the results from a higher carb meal.
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Readings from TheSolution

And a log here very carb and cheat heavy BLOODNTHUNDER: AGENT OF SHIELD (Sponsored Log)
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And from just now (sat night) Q&A For HPScience GLYCØSHIELD
This is my second night in a row testing with two caps.



2 caps taken at 8:15 with a BG of 74





40 minutes after taking 2 caps





~2 hours after eating a 1650 calorie meal


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We will likely have a type 1 insulin dependent diabetic logging Glycøshield here soon to see if he can reduce the amount of insulin he uses.
 
chedapalooza said:
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Readings from TheSolution

And a log here very carb and cheat heavy BLOODNTHUNDER: AGENT OF SHIELD (Sponsored Log)
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And from just now (sat night) Q&A For HPScience GLYCØSHIELD
This is my second night in a row testing with two caps.



2 caps taken at 8:15 with a BG of 74





40 minutes after taking 2 caps





~2 hours after eating a 1650 calorie meal


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What is this result on blood glucose levels telling us? Sorry if im just really confused but smashing 100g of carbs from cereal will result in a below baseline blood glucose reading (if you are not a diabetic) 2 hours post ingestion regardless of what caps you pop before eating them
 
NoAddedHmones said:
What is this result on blood glucose levels telling us? Sorry if im just really confused but smashing 100g of carbs from cereal will result in a below baseline blood glucose reading (if you are not a diabetic) 2 hours post ingestion regardless of what caps you pop before eating them
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Think about what you just said (not being condescending) but you basically just said if someone eats 100g of carbs they’re going to end up with BG levels *below baseline*

How do you figure?

By taking Glycøshield prior to the meal, TheSolution showed a BIG reduction in BG...

If anything, you’d expect to see BG back at baseline two hours later if you’re a healthy adult. But certainly not a reduction.

Extrapolate this to cheat meals and cheat days with excess of 300g carbs... and you can see that (dose dependent as indicated on our label) Glycøshield is doing what it’s supposed to, and in many cases actually lowering BG despite increases in carb consumption.

I appreciate the question as I’m sure others may have been wondering how to interpret these results as well.
 
chedapalooza said:
Think about what you just said (not being condescending) but you basically just said if someone eats 100g of carbs they’re going to end up with BG levels *below baseline*

How do you figure?

By taking Glycøshield prior to the meal, TheSolution showed a BIG reduction in BG...

If anything, you’d expect to see BG back at baseline two hours later if you’re a healthy adult. But certainly not a reduction.

Extrapolate this to cheat meals and cheat days with excess of 300g carbs... and you can see that (dose dependent as indicated on our label) Glycøshield is doing what it’s supposed to, and in many cases actually lowering BG despite increases in carb consumption.

I appreciate the question as I’m sure others may have been wondering how to interpret these results as well.
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Cereal = High GI carbs.

Dw try and condescend to me as much as you like,

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NoAddedHmones said:
Cereal = High GI carbs.

Dw try and condescend to me as much as you like,

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Dude. Don’t post a link to another thread and have that act as your response. I’m willing to engage in meaningful dialogue but I’m also not going to mince words with the following statement:

I know you don’t like me. You’ve proven this long before I ever started my own company.

I was being sincere when I said I wasn’t being condescending. Because I knew you’d try to take it there, and frankly, I won’t go there with someone who’s sole mission is to see me Fail.

Here’s a log you can read through:

BLOODNTHUNDER: AGENT OF SHIELD (Sponsored Log)
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chedapalooza said:
Dude. Don’t post a link to another thread and have that act as your response. I’m willing to engage in meaningful dialogue but I’m also not going to mince words with the following statement:

I know you don’t like me. You’ve proven this long before I ever started my own company.

I was being sincere when I said I wasn’t being condescending. Because I knew you’d try to take it there, and frankly, I won’t go there with someone who’s sole mission is to see me Fail.

Here’s a log you can read through:

BLOODNTHUNDER: AGENT OF SHIELD (Sponsored Log)
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lol wut? I linked to a chart a posted in another GDA thread because for some reason the image uploader on the mobile app doesn't work.

Isn't the whole point of this forum to discuss things, maybe look at the chart in the link i posted and get back to me.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
lol wut? I linked to a chart a posted in another GDA thread because for some reason the image uploader on the mobile app doesn't work.

Isn't the whole point of this forum to discuss things, maybe look at the chart in the link i posted and get back to me.
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I already answered your question. Twice now.

I know you don’t like me. I get it. That’s ok.. I’m really ok with that.
 
chedapalooza said:
I already answered your question. Twice now.

I know you don’t like me. I get it. That’s ok.. I’m really ok with that.
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Where have you answered it, I showed on the chart of a healthy non diabetic person that at 2 hours post a high GI meal that blood glucose will be below the baseline.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
lol wut? I linked to a chart a posted in another GDA thread because for some reason the image uploader on the mobile app doesn't work.

Isn't the whole point of this forum to discuss things, maybe look at the chart in the link i posted and get back to me.
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Tylerclee said:
Protein & fat content of the meal can make a significant difference on glucose response. TheSolution was this a cereal only meal?
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Cereal + Whey Correct.

Ive also tested

All my readings have been done with 2 caps as suggested by RecompMan to keep things as consistent as possible. All readings are done 90 minutes post meal to see how fast my BG Baselined from my resting.

Rice Cakes (25/50g Carbs Worth)
Rice Cakes + Honey + Banana's (75g Carbs Worth)
Rice (25/50/75g Carbs Worth)
Potatoes (25g Carbs worth)
Cheat Meal

These are all eaten with a protein source + fats that add up in the meal. I rotate my sources between 93/7 Turkey, 95/5 Beef, Chicken Breasts, Chicken Thighs

I am compiling all my readings and thoughts and will get a large review up when it is all said and done. I have blown through about 30 strips so far trying to gather as much feedback as I can.
 
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Thanks, thats the one.

The Solution said:
Cereal + Whey Correct.
Ive also tested
Rice Cakes,
Rice
Potatoes

and varied my carb amounts 25/50/75/100g worth and will monitor my readings. (all with a 2 cap dosing)
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Okay sweet, not that either of you have done anything wrong, but Whey (ellicts strong transient insulin response) + Cereral is obviously going to have a similar trajectory as the chart for High GI. Tests on diabetics/type 2 diabetics would certainly be interesting as im sure this product will have a decent effect.
 
I just sent a bottle to someone with type one diabetes who is insulin dependent and he may be logging it here but is going to provide his results regardless.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Thanks, thats the one.



Okay sweet, not that either of you have done anything wrong, but Whey (ellicts strong transient insulin response) + Cereral is obviously going to have a similar trajectory as the chart for High GI. Tests on diabetics/type 2 diabetics would certainly be interesting as im sure this product will have a decent effect.
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The original Recompadrol has been tested on a type 1 with a reduction in insulin by ~ 50% and this is updated version with upgrades



As far as insulin responses, even fats will stimulate insulin secretion.

We at looking a return to baseline or less quickly.

Non diabetics should be about 3 hours to return to baseline after a meal... ~5 hours for diabetics
 
RecompMan said:
The original Recompadrol has been tested on a type 1 with a reduction in insulin by ~ 50% and this is updated version with upgrades



As far as insulin responses, even fats will stimulate insulin secretion.

We at looking a return to baseline or less quickly.

Non diabetics should be about 3 hours to return to baseline after a meal... ~5 hours for diabetics
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Bingo. That’s the missing link with the above argument.

OG recompodrol, I believe, got me to baseline within 45min?

You want to keep BG low for a myriad of benefits.

Just last week I took 300mg ala before a 45gr carb meal and within 1hr I was about to baseline. Without ALA it takes about 2hrs
 
I will go reactive hypo after a meal of 100g carbs and whey powder almost every time if I don't follow up with a whole food meal. However most of my family has Type 2 diabetes or is borderline. So I have always worked to keep myself pretty insulin sensitive.

Also more importantly fats in the meal are going to have a large effect on the blood sugar readings later. I high fat meal with 50g of carbs can have higher BG 2 hours later than 100g of carbs with whey protein. For that matter 8 oz lean meat and carbs... The fat slows the entry into the intestines so the glucose is entering the stream longer. Lots of things to consider here but most importantly lets keep thing cordial.

One thing we all know is that this ingredient profile is a damn good and effective one. So any insinuation that it not be a solid product or questioning that part is to assume that the company is not being legitimate. I am sure that is not the case here since Cheda has been a long time member and is trying to build something here with people he worked hard to earn their trust. I just don't see him trying to sell a label dressed bunk product here where he has built a reputation.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I will go reactive hypo after a meal of 100g carbs and whey powder almost every time if I don't follow up with a whole food meal. However most of my family has Type 2 diabetes or is borderline. So I have always worked to keep myself pretty insulin sensitive.

Also more importantly fats in the meal are going to have a large effect on the blood sugar readings later. I high fat meal with 50g of carbs can have higher BG 2 hours later than 100g of carbs with whey protein. For that matter 8 oz lean meat and carbs... The fat slows the entry into the intestines so the glucose is entering the stream longer. Lots of things to consider here but most importantly lets keep thing cordial.

One thing we all know is that this ingredient profile is a damn good and effective one. So any insinuation that it not be a solid product or questioning that part is to assume that the company is not being legitimate. I am sure that is not the case here since Cheda has been a long time member and is trying to build something here with people he worked hard to earn their trust. I just don't see him trying to sell a label dressed bunk product here where he has built a reputation.
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How have you been?!? Glad to see you here still
 
RecompMan said:
How have you been?!? Glad to see you here still
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Doing well, just trying to get myself focused on my physique goals right now. They took a backseat to some stuff in the homelife most of last year while caring for my disabled Mother In Law. She just left to go back home so the last week has been a bit too relaxed with us just kind of enjoying the freedom of not having her at the house to care for 100% of the time. I am running this to help me recomp my way to the body I prefer it to be.
 
What are people's thoughts on using GDA's before bed.
I've read that it can help increase overall insulin sensitevity, fat burning and lower fasting blood glucose levels long term.
 
Slims said:
What are people's thoughts on using GDA's before bed.
I've read that it can help increase overall insulin sensitevity, fat burning and lower fasting blood glucose levels long term.
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You posted the same question in a few threads
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chedapalooza did a great job explaining it too
chedapalooza said:
Absolutely can. Taking 1 cap before bed can lower fasting BG and will also serve as a mild diuretic. Wake up leaner and tighter, sleep better and deeper. I always took a GDA before bed well before I made this product. Now I just take a cap of glycoshield at bed time. It’s one of my favorite “off label” uses for it, as is my pre workout cap... myself and others have all reported increased uptake of pre workout nutrition or aminos / pump products and better overall pumps and muscle contraction during training
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I had a reply from a few pages ago as a very generic use for GDA's
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The Solution said:
You can utilize a GDA prior to a simple/complex carb meal. The only time it would not have a lot of merit would be post-workout when insulin sensitivity is already sky high. Working out is the best GDA the body can have, so take it with a pre-workout meal or meals away from the post-workout period.
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As far as dosing goes read what kbayne said below on page 2

kbayne said:
As for carb intake and compound doses. I tend to keep it the same beside post-workout, where my carb intake is very very high. This is where a glucose monitor comes in handy so you can test the compound doses and carb intakes. Personally I do:
ALA - 900mg (post-workout 1200mg)
Agmatine - 500mg (post-workout 750-1000mg)
ALCAR - 1 gram (morning and pre-workout)

If using Na-R-ALA, you can either dose 300mg in the morning prior to your carb meal and be good for the rest of the day, or simply dose 100-150mg prior to 2-3 carb meals.

All of this is from personal and client feedback.
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Just take caution of taking Berberine pre-workout since it activates ampK ---> will increase myostatin expression, which will ultimately decrease muscle protein synthesis.
 
The Solution said:
You posted the same question in a few threads
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I know, I wanted to get the broadest amount of thoughts and experieces that I could on the subject via previous GDA dedicated threads instead of creating a new one.
I've read through most of the threads I posted the question in and there doesn't seem to be much info or talk on dosing GDA's before bed.
I'll definitely be taking chedapalooza 's advice on board though.
 
Slims said:
I know, I wanted to get the broadest amount of thoughts and experieces that I could on the subject via previous GDA dedicated threads instead of creating a new one.
I've read through most of the threads I posted the question in and there doesn't seem to be much info or talk on dosing GDA's before bed.
I'll definitely be taking chedapalooza 's advice on board though.
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Do you have a carb rich meal before going to bed? If so take a GDA, if not I would utilize it on other meals that are very rich in carbs (Besides Post-Workout). That is when these products are best intended to be used.
Your question simply comes down to trying it yourself, taking notes, and seeing what you get out of it.

For example:
-For some they may not get too much out of it because they may have a P+F Based meal prior to bed
- Individuals may have a large caloric surplus where they do not notice the "leaning out effects" Compared to those who may be in a caloric deficit.

There are too may factors to place in the big picture to really pin point what you answer on "What happens if I take a GDA before bed". When you have to put into account their carbohydrate timing, goals, and total caloric allotment. Can it help? Maybe, but its best to try it yourself and be the judge of it.
 
The Solution said:
Do you have a carb rich meal before going to bed? If so take a GDA, if not I would utilize it on other meals that are very rich in carbs (Besides Post-Workout). That is when these products are best intended to be used.
Your question simply comes down to trying it yourself, taking notes, and seeing what you get out of it.

For example:
-For some they may not get too much out of it because they may have a P+F Based meal prior to bed
- Individuals may have a large caloric surplus where they do not notice the "leaning out effects" Compared to those who may be in a caloric deficit.

Can it help? Maybe, but its best to try it yourself and be the judge of it.
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I usually take a GDA/NP before a carby meal (usually PerforMax Labs' SlinMax) and have done for years now.
My last meal is about 2/3 hours before bed and I'm not in a large surplus at the minute, but maintaining and improving long term insulin sensitevity is quite important to me due to my family's history of developing later life diabetes.
 
Distilled Water said:
I take GDA before bed. Usually 1 cal Glycophase in the off season or 500mg berberine. I did last year religiously and I stayed tight the entire year
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Did you notice a reduction in fasting glucose levels during or over that year?
What were/are your most noteable benefits from dosing a GDA before bed?
 
Slims said:
Did you notice a reduction in fasting glucose levels during or over that year?
What were/are your most noteable benefits from dosing a GDA before bed?
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No, not a reduction but it never elevated. Using 4-6iu GH, 20 weeks on insulin and carbs up near 800gr/day is sure fire way to have some increase in fasting BG levels (typically).

I’ve never been able to push carbs so high before without getting super fat. This is over the course of 16 weeks I think? Gained almost 35lbs. Only reason we stopped pushing is bc I just couldn’t eat anymore damn food. Macros were like 420/800/100
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Logray said:
Sorry, what's that? English is not my native language.
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He was joking around.

Gymnema is effective, so it would help you with nutrient partitioning overnight. It is in a lot of the current GDA's on the market so most people who have taken a mutli ingredient GDA before bed have taken it before bed. It just depends on how you choose to use it.

YOu can use it to wake up tighter, more full, or just to lower blood sugar overnight so that you burn more fat while sleeping. Just depends on the type and amount of carbs you are using with it, which would vary by the goal. IE you have to know what you are trying to achieve with it then use the appropriate nutrition for that goal. All it does is help get the nutrients where you want them.
 
MrKleen73 said:
He was joking around.

Gymnema is effective, so it would help you with nutrient partitioning overnight. It is in a lot of the current GDA's on the market so most people who have taken a mutli ingredient GDA before bed have taken it before bed. It just depends on how you choose to use it.

YOu can use it to wake up tighter, more full, or just to lower blood sugar overnight so that you burn more fat while sleeping. Just depends on the type and amount of carbs you are using with it, which would vary by the goal. IE you have to know what you are trying to achieve with it then use the appropriate nutrition for that goal. All it does is help get the nutrients where you want them.
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This. I take 1-2 caps of Glycøshield at bed depending on my nutrition for the day which has 75% gymema and is the trademarked Sabina versions GS4+ ... Help lean out / dry out/ clear out excess blood sugar overnight

Highest % extract available
 
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