chedapalooza
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We r both on trt>>> endocrine issues>>> likely shi*ty metabolisms and stress response/tolerance etc
Sorry for the hi jack Fu!
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We r both on trt>>> endocrine issues>>> likely shi*ty metabolisms and stress response/tolerance etc
Sorry for the hi jack Fu!
fumoney
Well-known member
No problem guys. Keep the conversation going.
packers6211
Well-known member
Haha fufu man you are the beast. Your size is what I want but with your cuts. My metabolism sucks. But I don't know why I keep feeling bloated from week then another I'm feeling leaner. I did all that cardio last five days and felt more bloated 
fumoney
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Haha fufu man you are the beast. Your size is what I want but with your cuts. My metabolism sucks. But I don't know why I keep feeling bloated from week then another I'm feeling leaner. I did all that cardio last five days and felt more bloated
Maybe it's cardio timing ? To do it at specific time ? Or fasted ?
I read somewhere that too much cardio is not the best way to lose fat.
Remember when I was burning 5500-6000 cals per week on cardio with deficit diet ? Purely numbers wise, I should have really lost more weight than I actually did, but I didn't. I only started to lose fat by carb cycling and using GDA and toning down cardio. I am now thinking I shod have upped my calories or used a cortisol control product like reduce xt or both.
Like the people who have comment on this thread, you gotta do what works for you. If its not working don't be afraid to change things.
Also, have long term goals rather than short term goals. In the end, that's the best way to go about things I think. I have to keep remembering this point as well since I am stubborn to a fault.
packers6211
Well-known member
Yeah i would like to do it first thing in morning but with my kids and job I have train afternoons. I don't know anything about how to control coritiosol but Ive felt for couple years now that mines out of whack.
fumoney
Well-known member
That's the other tough thing. You have a family to take care of. I just have my GF. Like I said before, I respect family man like you who do it all. Don't be discouraged. Keep fighting. It's only February.
snagencyV2.0
Legend
chedapalooza
Legend
absolutely correct
too much cardio is one of the best ways to lose muscle tho
And lower test
snagencyV2.0
Legend
aside from excess cardio creating negative energy expenditure (the body will prefer to break down muscle over fat for energy), yes lowered test can become an issue as well - equating to further muscle loss and inhibition of musculature accrual
combine this with the fact that most who undertake this "radical cardio" also combine with undereating (i did not say eating like a bird
), dropping caloric intake to ridiculously low levels..you have quite the recipe for fat-loss stalling/muscle waste/lack of ability to add muscle/and lowered hormonal function
chedapalooza
Legend
aside from excess cardio creating negative energy expenditure (the body will prefer to break down muscle over fat for energy), yes lowered test can become an issue as well - equating to further muscle loss and inhibition of musculature accrual
combine this with the fact that most who undertake this "radical cardio" also combine with undereating (i did not say eating like a bird
you have quite the recipe for fat-loss stalling/muscle waste/lack of ability to add muscle/and lowered hormonal function
Aaaaaanddd story of my life for the last 4 years. Once I dropped the massive cardio n upped my cals--> gained 13lbs muscle and visibly reduced body fat in 5-6 months
I thunk the biggest thing for Fu to take home is that all the supps he's using r priming him for a wicked recomp or cut.
That's his choice with calories and how he works out. But those supps will NOT ALLOW anyone get fat (so long as they don't seriously over eat) - leaving him with a great opportunity to up his cals (building muscle) and lean out simultaneously
fumoney
Well-known member
Chirp chirp.....got any seeds ?.... Hahaha....
I am more than willing to go with the higher calorie for this run although it was a b!tch trying to get 3,000 today. Fell little bit shy. Need to incorporate more good fats. I am taking EBF and Snags advice that by doing this I bring in more of an audience who may think this is a feasible method.
Not many probably want to go do cardio like I do and eat like a bird.
Anyway, in last years run, I used just the EBF stack (including natty v) and lost 20 lbs and about 4% body fat and close to 5 inches in my waist while maintaining my strength. Both measured by a nurse who does this every day for the gym members. Kinda like selling point for this gym I joined.
Not saying what I did was the best way to do things. I lifted like crazy and did 5,000 calorie burn per week. Ate calorie total equal to 10x my body weight. So between 2060 to 2260.
I don't know, maybe if I ate more and did less cardio, I might have lost 25 lbs and dropped 6% body fat.
Like everybody had mentioned, sometimes you have to do what works for you. However, you also have to be willing to change things up and listen. That's what I will do.
Not sure 3000 will be my target. It will be at least 2500.
Thanks all for good discussion.
I am more than willing to go with the higher calorie for this run although it was a b!tch trying to get 3,000 today. Fell little bit shy. Need to incorporate more good fats. I am taking EBF and Snags advice that by doing this I bring in more of an audience who may think this is a feasible method.
Not many probably want to go do cardio like I do and eat like a bird.
Anyway, in last years run, I used just the EBF stack (including natty v) and lost 20 lbs and about 4% body fat and close to 5 inches in my waist while maintaining my strength. Both measured by a nurse who does this every day for the gym members. Kinda like selling point for this gym I joined.
Not saying what I did was the best way to do things. I lifted like crazy and did 5,000 calorie burn per week. Ate calorie total equal to 10x my body weight. So between 2060 to 2260.
I don't know, maybe if I ate more and did less cardio, I might have lost 25 lbs and dropped 6% body fat.
Like everybody had mentioned, sometimes you have to do what works for you. However, you also have to be willing to change things up and listen. That's what I will do.
Not sure 3000 will be my target. It will be at least 2500.
Thanks all for good discussion.
fumoney
Well-known member
2/4 Day (0)
Weight: 223.5 lbs (-3.5 lbs)
Schedule
11:50 - 1 vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
12:30 - meal 1
1:15 - 2 AAV2
4:15 - whey shake
6:30 -cardio
7:50 - 1 vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
8:10 - meal 2
8:50 - AAV2
9:00 - 1 Forskolin, 2 Agmatine
9:30 - lift
10:45 - 1 Forskolin, 1 Agmatine, 3 Recompadrol
10:45 - whey shake
11:00 - 1 vanillean
Food 2,766 calories (P453/ c64/ f114)
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Meal 1 Chicken, mushroom, lettuce, blue cheese
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Meal 2 Chicken
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Workout
Cardio
992 calories in 60 minutes
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Smith Incline Bench Press
135x8
185x8
225x8
275x6
295x3
315x2
Drop 275x3
Drop 225x6
Pec Deck
100x8
100x8
100x8
100x8
100x8
HS Wide Chest
180x8
270x8
320x8
320x6
320x6
Drop 270x4
Drop 180x6
Comments
Unbalanced macro today trying to hit 3,000 calories. Too much protein and not enough fat. Low carb eaten and not much bloating today if at all.
Hunger was somewhat suppressed and it was difficult to add calories. Will incorporate some natty peanut butter tomorrow. Ordered more Pronom and Protean for this run.
Good cardio session with excellent energy and dripping sweat. Breezed through 60 minutes like it was nothing. Decent chest session with some difficulty maintaining lift load from last week. Pumps were strong and muscles felt full during workout and throughout the day.
Will have measurement, protocol revision and pictures tomorrow. Not sure how much time I will have to post. This has been a busy work week already.
Weight: 223.5 lbs (-3.5 lbs)
Schedule
11:50 - 1 vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
12:30 - meal 1
1:15 - 2 AAV2
4:15 - whey shake
6:30 -cardio
7:50 - 1 vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
8:10 - meal 2
8:50 - AAV2
9:00 - 1 Forskolin, 2 Agmatine
9:30 - lift
10:45 - 1 Forskolin, 1 Agmatine, 3 Recompadrol
10:45 - whey shake
11:00 - 1 vanillean
Food 2,766 calories (P453/ c64/ f114)
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Meal 1 Chicken, mushroom, lettuce, blue cheese
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Meal 2 Chicken
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Workout
Cardio
992 calories in 60 minutes
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Smith Incline Bench Press
135x8
185x8
225x8
275x6
295x3
315x2
Drop 275x3
Drop 225x6
Pec Deck
100x8
100x8
100x8
100x8
100x8
HS Wide Chest
180x8
270x8
320x8
320x6
320x6
Drop 270x4
Drop 180x6
Comments
Unbalanced macro today trying to hit 3,000 calories. Too much protein and not enough fat. Low carb eaten and not much bloating today if at all.
Hunger was somewhat suppressed and it was difficult to add calories. Will incorporate some natty peanut butter tomorrow. Ordered more Pronom and Protean for this run.
Good cardio session with excellent energy and dripping sweat. Breezed through 60 minutes like it was nothing. Decent chest session with some difficulty maintaining lift load from last week. Pumps were strong and muscles felt full during workout and throughout the day.
Will have measurement, protocol revision and pictures tomorrow. Not sure how much time I will have to post. This has been a busy work week already.
snagencyV2.0
Legend
yum
this birdie likey :food:
nice appetizers
(i keed..actually smaller meals are my preference, just many of them thruout the day is all)
fumoney
Well-known member
yum
this birdie likey :food:
nice appetizers
(i keed..actually smaller meals are my preference, just many of them thruout the day is all)
Haha
fumoney
Well-known member
Yep. Trial and error.
Actually, this isn't IF set up by Zach. I just like the feel of fasting. Not a true IF as stated in their website or as Zach explains it. I try to fast apx 14-16 hours, then eat in 8-10 hour window.
snagencyV2.0
Legend
hellz yez :head:
fumoney
Well-known member
2/5
I will not be putting up an update today. Today is a day of assessment. You can be sure that I am following the same dosing protocol. I will do 60 min cardio and throw in some light volume lifting.
Got all my measurements today including the 7 point skin fold assessment for body fat. I will put it up in post 3. That is where I will put up all body pictures and measurement and continue to update so you do not have to search through the posts to compare.
What a sobering effect actually seeing all numbers. Little disappointed in myself but I am already over it. I promised all numbers do you will see everything. i don't mind criticism. Sometimes a bit of smacking around is necessary. Don't need encouragement, as I know it's time to kill this b!tch.
I will also finalize the protocol and write in version control in post one.
Some commentary as well. You know I like to write.
Tomorrow is considered day 1 of treatment phase.
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Artie Lange with AC/DC on Howard Stern show. Need to get back on track before I turn into Artie.
I will not be putting up an update today. Today is a day of assessment. You can be sure that I am following the same dosing protocol. I will do 60 min cardio and throw in some light volume lifting.
Got all my measurements today including the 7 point skin fold assessment for body fat. I will put it up in post 3. That is where I will put up all body pictures and measurement and continue to update so you do not have to search through the posts to compare.
What a sobering effect actually seeing all numbers. Little disappointed in myself but I am already over it. I promised all numbers do you will see everything. i don't mind criticism. Sometimes a bit of smacking around is necessary. Don't need encouragement, as I know it's time to kill this b!tch.
I will also finalize the protocol and write in version control in post one.
Some commentary as well. You know I like to write.
Tomorrow is considered day 1 of treatment phase.
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Artie Lange with AC/DC on Howard Stern show. Need to get back on track before I turn into Artie.
packers6211
Well-known member
Sweet bring on the updates my friend! I hit some cardio today. No weights. I'm thinking once my Vanillalean arrives, just doing it and holding off to start the Msten til later. Since I'm backing off the weights.
fumoney
Well-known member
Thanks. You will see it by tomorrow morning.
packers6211
Well-known member
yeah yeah that's what you always say haha
fumoney
Well-known member
Haha. Going to gym now. Will post unless I fall asleep after I come back.
fumoney
Well-known member
First Subject Enrolled in Open label study to assess efficacy of Recompadrol and AAV2 in combination with Vanillean, Forskolin-95 and Agmatine in overweight subject on calorie deficit diet.
Anytown, State, Feb. 7, 2013 /Newswire/ -- Initial subject has been enrolled in an open label efficacy study of Recompadrol and AAV2 manufactured by Enhanced Body Formulations Inc.
Please go to post #1 to see the protocol change made and to post #4 to see initial study variable measured for the subject enrolled.
The subject completed the run in phase of this log without experiencing any tolerability issues. Tolerability issues are classified as GI issues, headaches, loss of energy, sleeplessness or accelerated heart beat. The subject also showed benefits from the dosing regimen in the way of loss of bloating, increased energy and increased sweating during cardio. There was also nominal weight loss.
It was determined that the subject met the initial inclusion criteria and was now qualified to proceed onto the treatment phase of the study where the subject will be given treatment doses for a period of 5 weeks.
The official start date marked as Day 1 is 08-Feb-2013.
Revised: Official start date moved to 08-Feb-2013.
Anytown, State, Feb. 7, 2013 /Newswire/ -- Initial subject has been enrolled in an open label efficacy study of Recompadrol and AAV2 manufactured by Enhanced Body Formulations Inc.
Please go to post #1 to see the protocol change made and to post #4 to see initial study variable measured for the subject enrolled.
The subject completed the run in phase of this log without experiencing any tolerability issues. Tolerability issues are classified as GI issues, headaches, loss of energy, sleeplessness or accelerated heart beat. The subject also showed benefits from the dosing regimen in the way of loss of bloating, increased energy and increased sweating during cardio. There was also nominal weight loss.
It was determined that the subject met the initial inclusion criteria and was now qualified to proceed onto the treatment phase of the study where the subject will be given treatment doses for a period of 5 weeks.
The official start date marked as Day 1 is 08-Feb-2013.
Revised: Official start date moved to 08-Feb-2013.
fumoney
Well-known member
Thanks Breezy. It's a fun way for me to do this. Time to shave that FAT !!!
fumoney
Well-known member
Thank you runner !!!
fumoney
Well-known member
You da man wasme !
packers6211
Well-known member
Fu explain to me again what is recomdroll?
packers6211
Well-known member
Dang it now Ima have to try it out. Hit me up with link and when i get my tax money I'll give it a shot!
CJ_Xfit89
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no stomach or GI issues, no dizzy spells that some may cause. I have used a boat load of others and will say that this is the most versatile and cost effective one out of all of them.
it is to me, THE BEST partitioner I have used.
no stomach or GI issues, no dizzy spells that some may cause. I have used a boat load of others and will say that this is the most versatile and cost effective one out of all of them.
packers6211
Well-known member
Hell yeah man but first need the site and 2nd anyone got some coupons lol. I'll have to order this when i get my taxes filed. The lil ones been starting ball so Dad's broke. But I def want this and could log it. I plan on doing a BPS vanallalean log and msten but having to wait on the van.
snagencyV2.0
Legend
i haven't used a GDA in a long while, but the concept brings back good memories 
recompadrol intrigues me, for certain :yup:
recompadrol intrigues me, for certain :yup:
fumoney
Well-known member
2/8 Day 1
Schedule
5:30- 2 scoops Enhanced
6:00- lift/cardio
8:00- 1 Forskolin, 1 Agmatine, 3 Recompadrol
11:00- 1 Vanillean, 2 Recompadrol, 1 Forskolin
11:30- meal 1
12:15- 2 AAV2
3:00- whey shake
5:30- 1 Vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
6:00- meal 2
7:00- 2 AAV2
8:00 - whey shake
11:00- 1 Vanillean, 1 Forskolin
Food
2,956 calories (P290/ c148/ f151)
Meal 1
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Meal 2
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Workout
Smith Incline Bench Press
135x10
185x8
225x8
275x6
295x4
315x2
Drop 275x5
Drop 225x8
Drop 185x7
Drop 135x8 (pause 1 sec on chest)
Machine Chest Fly
150x8
165x8
180x8
195x7
Drop 165x5
Drop 135x5
Drop 105x5
SportsArt Chest Press
154x8
165x8
176x8
187x8
198x8
209x8
220x8 (full rack)
Drop 198x3
Drop 176x4
Drop 154x7
Cardio
404 calories (20 minutes)
Comments
My day started out at 4:30 am with a sample dose of Enhanced PWO. I had a great workout with ton of energy and my aerobic capacity was high. I won't go into too much details here about enhanced. You can find a separate review that I posted if you would like more details. I worked out for 1-1/2 hours. Strength maintained...muscle endurance high...and decent cardio with a lot of sweating to finish out.
Muscles were full and hard throughout the day and had a lot of energy rest of the day.
Appetite was down, so I had to drink some shakes with coconut oil added to fill my calorie target. No bloating to speak of.
Still no thermo effect at rest, but above average sweating when working out.
Schedule
5:30- 2 scoops Enhanced
6:00- lift/cardio
8:00- 1 Forskolin, 1 Agmatine, 3 Recompadrol
11:00- 1 Vanillean, 2 Recompadrol, 1 Forskolin
11:30- meal 1
12:15- 2 AAV2
3:00- whey shake
5:30- 1 Vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
6:00- meal 2
7:00- 2 AAV2
8:00 - whey shake
11:00- 1 Vanillean, 1 Forskolin
Food
2,956 calories (P290/ c148/ f151)
Meal 1
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Meal 2
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Workout
Smith Incline Bench Press
135x10
185x8
225x8
275x6
295x4
315x2
Drop 275x5
Drop 225x8
Drop 185x7
Drop 135x8 (pause 1 sec on chest)
Machine Chest Fly
150x8
165x8
180x8
195x7
Drop 165x5
Drop 135x5
Drop 105x5
SportsArt Chest Press
154x8
165x8
176x8
187x8
198x8
209x8
220x8 (full rack)
Drop 198x3
Drop 176x4
Drop 154x7
Cardio
404 calories (20 minutes)
Comments
My day started out at 4:30 am with a sample dose of Enhanced PWO. I had a great workout with ton of energy and my aerobic capacity was high. I won't go into too much details here about enhanced. You can find a separate review that I posted if you would like more details. I worked out for 1-1/2 hours. Strength maintained...muscle endurance high...and decent cardio with a lot of sweating to finish out.
Muscles were full and hard throughout the day and had a lot of energy rest of the day.
Appetite was down, so I had to drink some shakes with coconut oil added to fill my calorie target. No bloating to speak of.
Still no thermo effect at rest, but above average sweating when working out.
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fumoney
Well-known member
Definitely give it a shot Pack. I think you will know pretty quickly if it is for you.
fumoney
Well-known member
2/9 Day 2
Schedule
11:30- 1 Vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
12:00- Meal 1
12:45- AAV2
2:00- 1 Vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
2:30- Meal 2
3:15- AAV2
4:00- 1 Forskolin, 2 Agmatine
4:30- lift/cardio
6:30- 1 Forskolin, 1 Agmatine, 3 Recompadrol
6:30- whey shake
8:00- 1 Vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
8:30- Meal 3
9:15- AAV2
Food
3,053 calories (P353/ c128/ f147)
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Meal 1
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Meal 2
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Meal 3
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Workout
Body Masters Seated Row (like HS)
180x10
230x8
270x8
320x8
360x8
390x7
Drop 270x6
Drop 180x6
Wide Grip Pulldowns (hold 2 sec contraction)
115x8
145x8
145x8
145x8
145x8
SportsArt Pull Over
154x10
154x10
154x10
154x10
Seated Row to Upper Chest (hold 3 sec contraction)
100x8
140x8
140x8
140x8
140x8
Rack Pulls
225x8
225x2 (FAIL)
Cardio
675 calories (40 minutes)
Comments
One of the best back workout I had in a long time until the end. I started off feeling mega strong and ripped through the beginning part of my workout. A lot of weight + contraction holds + drop sets. My back was really pumped and I felt great. I wanted to try out Rack pulls to finish it off and... roh roh. During my second set, my lower back started to spasm and I had to put the weight down. I felt it tighten up afterwards and give out a little. I went to stretch it out. Dumb or smart......I did light cardio to keep it warm before I went back out in the cold weather. I came home and iced it, then foam rolled. Every time I sat down, it was a chore to get up. Once up. I was OK. Took a hot Epsom salt bath then retired early.
This was unfortunately a familiar experience for me. I pulled my back a long time ago and it comes back once in a while with a vengeance. I did not push it further this time so I should be OK in couple days.
Diet was in check and everything else was good. Appetite was low again so adding coconut oil to my shake has really helped me maintain calorie intake. No other event of note.
Tomorrow maybe a cardio only day depending in how I feel. Unfortunately, I think I will cut out the deadlift day from this log. Risk versus Reward ? Not prudent at this point.
Schedule
11:30- 1 Vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
12:00- Meal 1
12:45- AAV2
2:00- 1 Vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
2:30- Meal 2
3:15- AAV2
4:00- 1 Forskolin, 2 Agmatine
4:30- lift/cardio
6:30- 1 Forskolin, 1 Agmatine, 3 Recompadrol
6:30- whey shake
8:00- 1 Vanillean, 2 Recompadrol
8:30- Meal 3
9:15- AAV2
Food
3,053 calories (P353/ c128/ f147)
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Meal 1
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Meal 2
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Meal 3
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Workout
Body Masters Seated Row (like HS)
180x10
230x8
270x8
320x8
360x8
390x7
Drop 270x6
Drop 180x6
Wide Grip Pulldowns (hold 2 sec contraction)
115x8
145x8
145x8
145x8
145x8
SportsArt Pull Over
154x10
154x10
154x10
154x10
Seated Row to Upper Chest (hold 3 sec contraction)
100x8
140x8
140x8
140x8
140x8
Rack Pulls
225x8
225x2 (FAIL)
Cardio
675 calories (40 minutes)
Comments
One of the best back workout I had in a long time until the end. I started off feeling mega strong and ripped through the beginning part of my workout. A lot of weight + contraction holds + drop sets. My back was really pumped and I felt great. I wanted to try out Rack pulls to finish it off and... roh roh. During my second set, my lower back started to spasm and I had to put the weight down. I felt it tighten up afterwards and give out a little. I went to stretch it out. Dumb or smart......I did light cardio to keep it warm before I went back out in the cold weather. I came home and iced it, then foam rolled. Every time I sat down, it was a chore to get up. Once up. I was OK. Took a hot Epsom salt bath then retired early.
This was unfortunately a familiar experience for me. I pulled my back a long time ago and it comes back once in a while with a vengeance. I did not push it further this time so I should be OK in couple days.
Diet was in check and everything else was good. Appetite was low again so adding coconut oil to my shake has really helped me maintain calorie intake. No other event of note.
Tomorrow maybe a cardio only day depending in how I feel. Unfortunately, I think I will cut out the deadlift day from this log. Risk versus Reward ? Not prudent at this point.
fumoney
Well-known member
Thanks.
I should be OK. Wasn't lifting heavy. When I felt the spasm, I knew to let go of the weight right away. Am taking Fish oil also.
How did you hurt your back ?
fumoney
Well-known member
Take care if your back. Mine is only spasms. It should go away in 1-2 days. You have more serious issues.
RecompMan
Well-known member
Yea I know sucks bad. Ill wait till Thursday and hit the weights again