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steppinRazor said:
As far as the two SERMs I was under the impression tamoxifen and clomid work under different MOAs.. Clomid doesn't agree with me and I've heard torem is a great substitute.. Anyways thanks for the response. I'm curious about running forma for this pct just because I've had good experience stand alone and have used it on cycle (back when I did orals only)
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Clomid and Tamox are comparable. One is better for gyno-tamox and one is better for PCT-Clomid.
Clomid makes me want to kill myself lol.

Formeron is great for PCT though.
And our new Tongkat/ boron product will make for an incredible PCT.
 
brundel said:
Clomid and Tamox are comparable. One is better for gyno-tamox and one is better for PCT-Clomid. Clomid makes me want to kill myself lol. Formeron is great for PCT though. And our new Tongkat/ boron product will make for an incredible PCT.
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Is your SERM product in production? You had spoke about it a few months back and even supplied it to one of the members during his PCT.
 
brundel said:
Clomid and Tamox are comparable. One is better for gyno-tamox and one is better for PCT-Clomid.Clomid makes me want to kill myself lol.Formeron is great for PCT though.And our new Tongkat/ boron product will make for an incredible PCT.
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please elaborate on your new product. I fear PCT. I may be switching to blast and cruise shortly if its anything like my last pct.
 
ELROCK said:
Is your SERM product in production? You had spoke about it a few months back and even supplied it to one of the members during his PCT.
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The SERM is on the back burner just because I cant keep up with current demand for the products we have.
Im hiring staff this week and next to help me. This way I can get back to whats important.

R&D.

I had hoped to launch the SERM near summer but its not looking good unless a miracle happens.
 
steppinRazor said:
please elaborate on your new product. I fear PCT. I may be switching to blast and cruise shortly if its anything like my last pct.
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The new product is a mix of our version of a tongkat extract. Nobody else has this stuff. Its very stout.
And Boron. Boron is there to raise FREE test levels. In blood testing mine raised from 157-608ng/dl with 1 month of Boron at 10mg.

So I added it to the tongkat.

Tongkat works in several ways that are beneficial for PCT.

Like a SERM. Actually has SERM properties similar to tamox but lighter.
Like HCG. In studies Tongkat stimulated test production in leydig cells at a level comparable to HCG.

So in a state where test levels are depressed an AI= Formeron
+ the
Viron= tongkat boron will be perfect for PCT.

Viron will be released tomorrow and up for pre sale by tomorrow night.

I still have to finish the writeup but it will include studies to support what I just stated^^.
 
brundel said:
The new product is a mix of our version of a tongkat extract. Nobody else has this stuff. Its very stout.And Boron. Boron is there to raise FREE test levels. In blood testing mine raised from 157-608ng/dl with 1 month of Boron at 10mg.So I added it to the tongkat.Tongkat works in several ways that are beneficial for PCT.Like a SERM. Actually has SERM properties similar to tamox but lighter.Like HCG. In studies Tongkat stimulated test production in leydig cells at a level comparable to HCG.So in a state where test levels are depressed an AI= Formeron+ the Viron= tongkat boron will be perfect for PCT.Viron will be released tomorrow and up for pre sale by tomorrow night.I still have to finish the writeup but it will include studies to support what I just stated^^.
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I'd be interested to see the comparison in effectiveness towards hCG - but I think I may give this a shot. Pre-Sale tomorrow - when would it ship?
 
brundel said:
The SERM is on the back burner just because I cant keep up with current demand for the products we have. Im hiring staff this week and next to help me. This way I can get back to whats important. R&D. I had hoped to launch the SERM near summer but its not looking good unless a miracle happens.
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Thanks for the update. Trust me know your working hard and are supplying us with top quality products. I will be purchasing your Follidrone and Viron products as soon as I can get my hands on them. I must say I am happy you are receiving the success you deserve. I love how many thought you were crazy with your claims besides a few of us on your BLR sub forum and now you have filled the entire AM community. Keep up the good work bro!
 
steppinRazor said:
I'd be interested to see the comparison in effectiveness towards hCG - but I think I may give this a shot. Pre-Sale tomorrow - when would it ship?
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Ill update this in a bit.
I have to leave for the weekend so I may not get the product write up done but TGB supplements will be allowed to start sales today.
Im gonna email him right now.
So....itll be ready for purchase most likely sometime today. Ill be starting marketing next week as I have serious prep to do for my weekend trip.

IM jet skiiing 40 miles into the pacific to an island.
We are camping at a spot only reachable by water.
The plan is to live on whatever we can bow hunt or spear or fish from the ocean.

No internet.
No phones.

Just out there.
 
ELROCK said:
Thanks for the update. Trust me know your working hard and are supplying us with top quality products. I will be purchasing your Follidrone and Viron products as soon as I can get my hands on them. I must say I am happy you are receiving the success you deserve. I love how many thought you were crazy with your claims besides a few of us on your BLR sub forum and now you have filled the entire AM community. Keep up the good work bro!
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Thanks bro.
I appreciate you being one of the guys who believed in me even though what I was saying sounded impossible.
Nobody thinks its impossible now.
And even better......the guys who thought I was crazy will now most likely trust me when I make bold statements.
 
brundel said:
Thanks bro.
I appreciate you being one of the guys who believed in me even though what I was saying sounded impossible.
Nobody thinks its impossible now.
And even better......the guys who thought I was crazy will now most likely trust me when I make bold statements.
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Man I remember when blr first came out. It's come so far man
 
I,m on the BLR train as well. I am on HRT and have been using Formeron for 6 months straight at 1-2 pumps a day, it has me looking vascular and hard more than any other time in my life. I,m starting to get veins on top of my forearms, never been visible before. My 16 year old son saw me without my shirt on after getting home from work and said U always lookl like U just left the gym, hes jealous and I love it !!! lol Ive got 3 more bottles on the way, I may try upping to 3-4 pumps a day and see how I react to that. Keep doing what Ur doing, products that WORK sell themselves. That trip sounds freaking awesome, enjoy !!!!
 
RipdnTxs said:
I,m on the BLR train as well. I am on HRT and have been using Formeron for 6 months straight at 1-2 pumps a day, it has me looking vascular and hard more than any other time in my life. I,m starting to get veins on top of my forearms, never been visible before. My 16 year old son saw me without my shirt on after getting home from work and said U always lookl like U just left the gym, hes jealous and I love it !!! lol Ive got 3 more bottles on the way, I may try upping to 3-4 pumps a day and see how I react to that. Keep doing what Ur doing, products that WORK sell themselves. That trip sounds freaking awesome, enjoy !!!!
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Post like this make me happy. Thanks bro.
Super glad its working well.
 
RipdnTxs said:
I,m on the BLR train as well. I am on HRT and have been using Formeron for 6 months straight at 1-2 pumps a day, it has me looking vascular and hard more than any other time in my life. I,m starting to get veins on top of my forearms, never been visible before. My 16 year old son saw me without my shirt on after getting home from work and said U always lookl like U just left the gym, hes jealous and I love it !!! lol Ive got 3 more bottles on the way, I may try upping to 3-4 pumps a day and see how I react to that. Keep doing what Ur doing, products that WORK sell themselves. That trip sounds freaking awesome, enjoy !!!!
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Have to agree. Recently hopped on the formeron train and my vascularity is out of this world along with muscle hardness... From 2 freaking pumps! Gotta love that.
 
brundel said:
Ill update this in a bit.
I have to leave for the weekend so I may not get the product write up done but TGB supplements will be allowed to start sales today.
Im gonna email him right now.
So....itll be ready for purchase most likely sometime today. Ill be starting marketing next week as I have serious prep to do for my weekend trip.

IM jet skiiing 40 miles into the pacific to an island.
We are camping at a spot only reachable by water.
The plan is to live on whatever we can bow hunt or spear or fish from the ocean.

No internet.
No phones.

Just out there.
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That's absolutely nuts man. Bad ass.
enjoy!
 
brundel said:
Ill update this in a bit.I have to leave for the weekend so I may not get the product write up done but TGB supplements will be allowed to start sales today.Im gonna email him right now.So....itll be ready for purchase most likely sometime today. Ill be starting marketing next week as I have serious prep to do for my weekend trip.IM jet skiiing 40 miles into the pacific to an island.We are camping at a spot only reachable by water.The plan is to live on whatever we can bow hunt or spear or fish from the ocean.No internet.No phones.Just out there.
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Nice get away!
 
I am thinking of getting 2-3 bottles of Formeron and use it as a Anobolic at 4 pumps. (Could be wrong about this but from what I've read that's what I think) I would like some help on seeing what I can stack with it to Bulk And loose some fat if possible, looking to run a cycle around 10wks.

With that said I don't want anything Methylated! Ran some of that a couple years ago was harsh on liver, Lethargy and was angry! I'm now looking to see how I can gain mass and cut at the same time if possible with cleaner products. Don't know if this can really be accomplished the way I would like so I am here looking to be Educated if you can, thanks.

I really like the idea of Transdermals that's how I came across Formeron, and no for you that will ask I don't like NEEDLES! What I've came up with so far is Dienazone, X1-KT, and Formeron but all are Transdermals, cant splash these on all at once!
 
Redeemed said:
I am thinking of getting 2-3 bottles of Formeron and use it as a Anobolic at 4 pumps. (Could be wrong about this but from what I've read that's what I think) I would like some help on seeing what I can stack with it to Bulk And loose some fat if possible, looking to run a cycle around 10wks.

With that said I don't want anything Methylated! Ran some of that a couple years ago was harsh on liver, Lethargy and was angry! I'm now looking to see how I can gain mass and cut at the same time if possible with cleaner products. Don't know if this can really be accomplished the way I would like so I am here looking to be Educated if you can, thanks.

I really like the idea of Transdermals that's how I came across Formeron, and no for you that will ask I don't like NEEDLES! What I've came up with so far is Dienazone, X1-KT, and Formeron but all are Transdermals, cant splash these on all at once!
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By few loggers now I think stack of Formeron + Viron + Follidrone should work for you.

TGBsupplements starts shipping Viron tomorrow so I'll test how Formeron + Viron works for me and others will probably try this 2 or 3 in a stack so in few weeks there should be feedback about stacking them on forum already.

You can get feedback already now but in a month or so public buyers will add their feedback too - not just selected loggers.
 
ahh123 said:
By few loggers now I think stack of Formeron + Viron + Follidrone should work for you.

TGBsupplements starts shipping Viron tomorrow so I'll test how Formeron + Viron works for me and others will probably try this 2 or 3 in a stack so in few weeks there should be feedback about stacking them on forum already.

You can get feedback already now but in a month or so public buyers will add their feedback too - not just selected loggers.
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Thanks, I appreciate the help, but what exactly is Viron and what will it do for me?
 
EatMoar said:
You need a serm to
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A serm mimics a low estrogen environment.
When estro is low more test is made because estro is made from test in males.
An ai will actually lower estro instead of mimicking it.

Post serm use estrogen is normally elevated which causes test to drop again which is bad.

Ai over serm in my opinion.
Or both but never ever serm only as most people suggest.
 
Redeemed said:
Thanks, I appreciate the help, but what exactly is Viron and what will it do for me?
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Viron is tongkat and boron.
Ill get a product write up done tues or wed. Im on an island currently with spotty cell coverage.

Viron will raise test levels.
Libido
Mood
Energy
Most importantly free test.

Amazing for pct
Good for on cycle to maintain some test level/support.
Decent solo as free test improves training. Recovery. Etc.
 
brundel said:
Viron is tongkat and boron.
Ill get a product write up done tues or wed. Im on an island currently with spotty cell coverage.

Viron will raise test levels.
Libido
Mood
Energy
Most importantly free test.

Amazing for pct
Good for on cycle to maintain some test level/support.
Decent solo as free test improves training. Recovery. Etc.
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Thanks for the info Brundel. Would like to hear what insight you have to my original question about what to stack with Formeron, when you are off the island can you refer back to my original post it will be much appreciated, thanks.
 
So, I decided to taper off Formeron for a little bit, previous levels were 900 test and 24 E2, a few weeks tapering off, I'm at 800 test 42 E2. I was under the impression there wouldn't be a bounce back with E2 coming off it, as it is a suicide inhibitor, is that not correct?
 
neothecat said:
So, I decided to taper off Formeron for a little bit, previous levels were 900 test and 24 E2, a few weeks tapering off, I'm at 800 test 42 E2. I was under the impression there wouldn't be a bounce back with E2 coming off it, as it is a suicide inhibitor, is that not correct?
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An estrogen rebound would have you above normal range which 42 is not. Mine hit 127after adex once.
Suicidal doesnt mean estro stays low forever :)

Once you stop estro will slowly rise to wherever it would normally be without an ai.
Might even go higher than 42. Depends on the person.

Also as estro rises test will drop. This is normal.
Its a negative feedback loop. Estro lo test high.
Estrp high test low.

Eventually things will normalize as long as your tsking nothing
 
Redeemed said:
Thanks for the info Brundel. Would like to hear what insight you have to my original question about what to stack with Formeron, when you are off the island can you refer back to my original post it will be much appreciated, thanks.
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Just repeat auestion and i can try to answer now if you like
 
brundel said:
Most phs are very mild and are run short term. Probably any would he fine
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Ok. I am a bit confused because I've just read a statement you made on another forum back in 2012:

"I would NOT drop a SERM from your PCT ever. Formeron should be used with the SERM not in its stead."

This is why I wanted to ask you directly whether Formeron would be enough or not since 95% of people suggest taking nolva/clomid for any kind of cycle, be it harsh or mild
 
MaXopA said:
Ok. I am a bit confused because I've just read a statement you made on another forum back in 2012:

"I would NOT drop a SERM from your PCT ever. Formeron should be used with the SERM not in its stead."

This is why I wanted to ask you directly whether Formeron would be enough or not since 95% of people suggest taking nolva/clomid for any kind of cycle, be it harsh or mild
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The thing about scientific views is they can change with the introduction of new evidence or information.
Currently ive seen ai only pcts be as successful or more than those including serms.

It also depends on the cycle. Most likely that was quoted from an aas forum.

If your going to run a legit bodybuilder aas cycle youll need every bit of help you can get.
5-6heavy suppressing compounds for 16-14 weeks is hard to recover from. In this case id start 5000iu hcg weekly from day of last inject for 3 weeks along with an ai. After this start pct by dropping hcg and adding a serm on top of the ai.

For a 4 week ph.......formeron is plenty.
 
brundel said:
Just repeat auestion and i can try to answer now if you like
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Here you go Brundel, Thanks.


I am thinking of getting 2-3 bottles of Formeron and use it as a Anobolic at 4 pumps. (Could be wrong about this but from what I've read that's what I think) I would like some help on seeing what I can stack with it to Bulk And loose some fat if possible, looking to run a cycle around 10wks.

With that said I don't want anything Methylated! Ran some of that a couple years ago was harsh on liver, Lethargy and was angry! I'm now looking to see how I can gain mass and cut at the same time if possible with cleaner products. Don't know if this can really be accomplished the way I would like so I am here looking to be Educated if you can, thanks.

I really like the idea of Transdermals that's how I came across Formeron, and no for you that will ask I don't like NEEDLES! What I've came up with so far is Dienazone, X1-KT, and Formeron but all are Transdermals, cant splash these on all at once!
 
brundel said:
The thing about scientific views is they can change with the introduction of new evidence or information.
Currently ive seen ai only pcts be as successful or more than those including serms.

It also depends on the cycle. Most likely that was quoted from an aas forum.

If your going to run a legit bodybuilder aas cycle youll need every bit of help you can get.
5-6heavy suppressing compounds for 16-14 weeks is hard to recover from. In this case id start 5000iu hcg weekly from day of last inject for 3 weeks along with an ai. After this start pct by dropping hcg and adding a serm on top of the ai.

For a 4 week ph.......formeron is plenty.
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Too much useful information in just one post! Thanks a lot Sir :notworthy:
 
Redeemed said:
Here you go Brundel, Thanks.

I am thinking of getting 2-3 bottles of Formeron and use it as a Anobolic at 4 pumps. (Could be wrong about this but from what I've read that's what I think) I would like some help on seeing what I can stack with it to Bulk And loose some fat if possible, looking to run a cycle around 10wks.

With that said I don't want anything Methylated! Ran some of that a couple years ago was harsh on liver, Lethargy and was angry! I'm now looking to see how I can gain mass and cut at the same time if possible with cleaner products. Don't know if this can really be accomplished the way I would like so I am here looking to be Educated if you can, thanks.

I really like the idea of Transdermals that's how I came across Formeron, and no for you that will ask I don't like NEEDLES! What I've came up with so far is Dienazone, X1-KT, and Formeron but all are Transdermals, cant splash these on all at once!
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One word answer.....follidrone :)

Go to the review section and read the reviws or search the forum and read what guys are saying.
Naturally ocurring
No sides
Non methylated
Non supressive so no pct.

Many guys gaining 8-11lbs in 3-4weeks.
Huge endurance
Pump
Strength
Fat loss.

Yes its my product but....it really is second to none in the natty market. Easily comparable to a ph with no negatives
 
brundel said:
One word answer.....follidrone :)

Go to the review section and read the reviws or search the forum and read what guys are saying.
Naturally ocurring
No sides
Non methylated
Non supressive so no pct.

Many guys gaining 8-11lbs in 3-4weeks.
Huge endurance
Pump
Strength
Fat loss.

Yes its my product but....it really is second to none in the natty market. Easily comparable to a ph with no negatives
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Yes, I have done a lot of reading on Follidrone, was thinking of buying some but it was not in stock anywhere. I purchased 2 bottles of Formeron and a bottle of Viron yesterday! I plan on doing a 10wk cycle would like to do 12 can I do that with Follidrone and 4 pumps a day of Formerone? How much of a supply would I need of both to get me through the 12ks?

What are your thoughts on Dienazone and X1-KT? Thanks for the help.
 
Brundel what do you recommend for joint support? This formeron is killing my knees and elbows hard. I've upped my fish oil but I would like something a little more concrete. Cissus? Animal flex?
 
Redeemed said:
Yes, I have done a lot of reading on Follidrone, was thinking of buying some but it was not in stock anywhere. I purchased 2 bottles of Formeron and a bottle of Viron yesterday! I plan on doing a 10wk cycle would like to do 12 can I do that with Follidrone and 4 pumps a day of Formerone? How much of a supply would I need of both to get me through the 12ks?

What are your thoughts on Dienazone and X1-KT? Thanks for the help.
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3xfollidrone
4formeron at 4 pumps.
90day cycle though.
Expensive but i imagine very fruitful.
 
EatMoar said:
Brundel what do you recommend for joint support? This formeron is killing my knees and elbows hard. I've upped my fish oil but I would like something a little more concrete. Cissus? Animal flex?
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Lower the dose of form.
If your on test up the dose.

Can try achillies from antaeus. Never used it but the formulator/owner is intelligent and often uses new and unique ingredients.

Or just tough it out....i know the feeling though...sucks.
Id probably just half the form dose
 
brundel said:
Lower the dose of form. If your on test up the dose. Can try achillies from antaeus. Never used it but the formulator/owner is intelligent and often uses new and unique ingredients. Or just tough it out....i know the feeling though...sucks. Id probably just half the form dose
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I'm only on 2 pumps of
Formeron though, that's the odd part. I'm also on 4 pumps of dermacrine and 600mg of 11-oxo
 
brundel said:
3xfollidrone
4formeron at 4 pumps.
90day cycle though.
Expensive but i imagine very fruitful.
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Sounds like a plan to me! Just need to know when some Follidrone will be available?

Do I need to be worried about all these joint ache problems I've read about?
 
Redeemed said:
Thanks for the info Brundel. Would like to hear what insight you have to my original question about what to stack with Formeron, when you are off the island can you refer back to my original post it will be much appreciated, thanks.
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My opinion would be and of course what my game plan is follidrone/Viron/ and Formeron . Right now I'm really enjoying my folli and would expect the other two supplements to take it to a very HIGH level of strength/ libido/ lean mass/ higher than normal t levels.
 
Redeemed said:
Sounds like a plan to me! Just need to know when some Follidrone will be available?

Do I need to be worried about all these joint ache problems I've read about?
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Mon -wed of next week estimated for follidrone.

Not everyone gets joint pain.
If it happens backing off on the dose usually does the trick.
 
Mission1 said:
My opinion would be and of course what my game plan is follidrone/Viron/ and Formeron . Right now I'm really enjoying my folli and would expect the other two supplements to take it to a very HIGH level of strength/ libido/ lean mass/ higher than normal t levels.
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Yah i imagine this is gonna be a good one.
 
Mission1 said:
My opinion would be and of course what my game plan is follidrone/Viron/ and Formeron . Right now I'm really enjoying my folli and would expect the other two supplements to take it to a very HIGH level of strength/ libido/ lean mass/ higher than normal t levels.
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Since I ran this same combo with my FD, I can tell you my experience. I kept reading about the guys just taking FD and noticing a libido spike in the initial 2-3 weeks and then it waning. I think if everyone was running the whole combo, that would never happen. The BLR togkat/boron combo is the new bar for libido in OTC. And we all know the benefits of Formeron by now. So, all together, it is an ultimate alpha stack.

I've been a fan of tongkat and sourcing it for the last 5-6 years without much luck, but I did find a company that had a solid product, but it was very pricey. I like tongkat because it doesn't just raise libido, it also increases free test on it's own and gives a nice alpha feel, energy, and just a general aphrodisiac. It compliments TRT very well for those on it, btw. With all that being said, the tongkat that Brundel is sourcing is probably 2x better than the one I was happy with. Take it on a 5on/2off or 4on/3off for a couple weeks and it builds. I happen to be one that notices it right away.

Boron, I can't say exactly what it is about it, but it has always made me feel good. My dad told me about it years ago and said that him and all his weight lifting/boxing buddies used to swear by it. Seeing my pops in the condition he was made it good enough for me. Studies seem to back up free test increase.

So, the stack is increasing free test, lowering e2, increasing libido, mass, endurance, and strength. All with 4 ingredients and you know how much is in each one.

To me, it is the only OTC stack I would ever take at this point.
 
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