FORMERON FAQ

Jbrooks said:
One negative thing or at least to me. I travel quite a bit and in order to lock the top you have to pump and twist. Would be cool if you could get it like the bps bottle that can lock from the top position. Just a thought beyond that have had it for a week and love the fact it dries so fast and enjoying it thus far much more then others I have used in past
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I really like the aluminum bottles we use and the only tops they carry are the ones we have currently.
The also do change once in a while but they are all similar.
The all expel approx 1.5ml on a full pump.

I would do like kisaj said.
Dump some into another container and just eyeball it. Or use an oral syringe like supermanjow said.

I have a bottle like this I use for such occasions. Invalid Link Removed
 
rippedbrah said:
Brundel any concern stacking formeron with an ARA product ?
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Ara being arachidonic acid?
I see no reason to not use them together.
I will say id never ever eat arachidonic acid though.
It causes inflammation which tends to cause disease states. Its HIGHLY unhealthy. Regardless of what those guys who sell it say and all the paid reps who say its super good...i wouldnt eat it if you paid me and i would never let anyone i cared about eat it.
 
"there are some fats you want to restrict in your diet. These are saturated fats, trans fats and (AA) arachidonic acid. I consider these to be really "bad" fats. Arachidonic acids are found primarily in fatty red meats, egg yolks and organ meats. This particular polyunsaturaed fat may be the most dangerous fat when consumed in excess and is known as an Omega 6 fat. In fact, you can inject virtually every type of fat (even saturated fat and cholesterol) into rabbits and nothing happens. However, if you inject (AA) arachidonic acid into the same rabbits they are dead within three minutes. The human body needs "some" arachidonic acid, but too much can be toxic."
Excessive ARA can lead to cancers, arthritis, asthma and a host of other ailments.
The companies selling this stuff to you guys should be ashamed of themselves.
 
I've read too many cautions to feel comfortable ever taking it. When the only people telling us it is the greatest thing are the companies selling it, it tends to smell funny. But, I also do not believe that saturated fat is bad for us either.
 
Vidosick said:
Formeron vs Epistane ? - I stand before a choice
thank you!
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im stacking both right now. f'n rediculous its like the best of both worlds. brundel helped me a lot with the dosing and how to use formeron into my pct as well. you will love it. im on my second week now and im starting to lean out and my strength has jumped up big time.
 
kisaj said:
I've read too many cautions to feel comfortable ever taking it. When the only people telling us it is the greatest thing are the companies selling it, it tends to smell funny. But, I also do not believe that saturated fat is bad for us either.
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If you really start to research it...the medical community says its dangerous.....even too much in your diet.
Eating any of the ARA products gives you a TON more than what you get in high dietary intake.
I understand that some of the things we take have side effects but I look at it like this....risk vs reward.

Say you take a 10 week cycle of testosterone.

PROS-
For a first time user at 500mg youll likely gain 20lbs if you eat enough. I gained 35 on my first and kept 20.
Youll most likely gain 30%+ strength.
Libido will be insane.
Youll feel Fn amazing
You will be for a portion of that cycle...superhuman...

CONS-
Youll get some suppression....treated with PCT
Possible transient acne....Treated with Acnedren.

ARA 10 week cycle-

PROS-
You MIGHT gain 2-5lbs of weight. Im not certain if its transient or if it happens at all as mostly reps make the claims.
You MIGHT gain 1-2% strength. Same uncertainty.

CONS-
Extremely unhealthy
Can cause a host of diseases caused by the increased inflammation..
THese include CANCER, Arthritis, athsma and others...I just dont have time to dig for them. Notice how people talk about joint pain during the use of Xgels and other ARA products. THis eventually becomes arthritis which is debilitating and crippling for those in later stages.


Test.....the risk to reward is highly favorable. 20lbs muscle for almost no risk.

ARA...maybe a couple pounds, most likely transient if present at all- HIGH risk.
 
Outside of that, it is notorious for causing skin issues for those suffering from any kind of skin inflamation like Eczema, Seborrheic dermatitis, Psoriasis, and rosacea. I have to watch my carb intake, foods with ARA, and anything that can cause a flareup due to suffering from rosacea. Haven't had any issues in many years because I watch my diet, but I know when I go overboard on carbs because my face with blush easy and I get hot very easy.
 
Anyone noticed stomach being leaner when applied on abs ?
 
luckylefty811 said:
Anyone noticed stomach being leaner when applied on abs ?
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Funny you say that, but absolutely yes. When I apply to my stomach, it is noticeable in the mirror that I look much leaner and my wife mentioned it. I know it is not possible to spot reduce, but I know exactly what you are saying.
 
kisaj said:
Funny you say that, but absolutely yes. When I apply to my stomach, it is noticeable in the mirror that I look much leaner and my wife mentioned it. I know it is not possible to spot reduce, but I know exactly what you are saying.
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Interesting observation especially since brundel said absorption on stomach is bad and he doesn't recommend applying on stomach area hmm.

I also notice stomach area leaner and I don't apply on that area but anything that reduces estrogen should make your stomach leaner.

Would be better if you both applied Formeron on stomach area only then see if you notice leaning as well cause for now it might be due to estrogen reducing effect when applying to other areas with good absorption of Formeron.
 
brundel said:
If you really start to research it...the medical community says its dangerous.....even too much in your diet.
Eating any of the ARA products gives you a TON more than what you get in high dietary intake.
I understand that some of the things we take have side effects but I look at it like this....risk vs reward.

Say you take a 10 week cycle of testosterone.

PROS-
For a first time user at 500mg youll likely gain 20lbs if you eat enough. I gained 35 on my first and kept 20.
Youll most likely gain 30%+ strength.
Libido will be insane.
Youll feel Fn amazing
You will be for a portion of that cycle...superhuman...

CONS-
Youll get some suppression....treated with PCT
Possible transient acne....Treated with Acnedren.

ARA 10 week cycle-

PROS-
You MIGHT gain 2-5lbs of weight. Im not certain if its transient or if it happens at all as mostly reps make the claims.
You MIGHT gain 1-2% strength. Same uncertainty.

CONS-
Extremely unhealthy
Can cause a host of diseases caused by the increased inflammation..
THese include CANCER, Arthritis, athsma and others...I just dont have time to dig for them. Notice how people talk about joint pain during the use of Xgels and other ARA products. THis eventually becomes arthritis which is debilitating and crippling for those in later stages.

Test.....the risk to reward is highly favorable. 20lbs muscle for almost no risk.

ARA...maybe a couple pounds, most likely transient if present at all- HIGH risk.
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hmm interesting comparison.i have experiences with both ara and hormonal products (but not test).i think the truth lies in between.strength increases on ara are better than 1-2% but mass gains arent that great as advertised.
 
ahh123 said:
Interesting observation especially since brundel said absorption on stomach is bad and he doesn't recommend applying on stomach area hmm.

I also notice stomach area leaner and I don't apply on that area but anything that reduces estrogen should make your stomach leaner.

Would be better if you both applied Formeron on stomach area only then see if you notice leaning as well cause for now it might be due to estrogen reducing effect when applying to other areas with good absorption of Formeron.
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I think stomach isnt terrible its just not ideal.
But....certain tissues do have more aromatase and more 5ar etc. This is why for me sublingual test base increases my strength so much. THere is alot of 5ar in saliva and around the mouth where it is absorbed.

Also I believe the fat located specifically around the stomach area is where alot of aromatase is located. THis is in simple terms of course.
I suppose it is possible that applying to areas where more aromatase is located will increase the % of inhibition but I dont think this will directly reduce bodyfat at application sites...if this makes sense.

It may work better as an AI when applied to aromatase heavy areas but this wont cause a local fat loss effect. This is of course just assumption as there are no studies Im aware of indicating one way or another.
 
Well I don't have a six pack and I have noticed it. Just wondering, I do like upper chest area because you can spread out the pumps better.
 
koi1214 said:
You should see some nice strength gains from this stack.How are your joints feeling? I have 2 bottles of Havoc that I have been saving for about a year now.
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Feel really good right now. Bench is way up leg press 900 for reps leg extensions, the whole rack for reps. I take orange triad plus greens daily and feel really good so far. You need to run yours man you'll love it.
 
Could the site reduction appearance be due slightly to the glycerin in the profile? I notice the effect within minutes and believe it takes the 4 hydrotest longer to reach the blood stream. Just noticed the same effect when I take gms as it pulls water away from the skin and into the muscle.
 
Do not want to seem tactless, but I am now so interested in the Epi / Formeron, I could not help asking. Could you recommend something else in this stack for wet weight, or for the first course is not desirable? I broke my head, reading a forum on this topic .. for example DIENAZONE (ex-Trenazone ), 4-AD ..?
my goal - dry mass and strength, cutting the fat
many thanks
 
Vidosick said:
Do not want to seem tactless, but I am now so interested in the Epi / Formeron, I could not help asking. Could you recommend something else in this stack for wet weight, or for the first course is not desirable? I broke my head, reading a forum on this topic .. for example DIENAZONE (ex-Trenazone ), 4-AD ..?
my goal - dry mass and strength, cutting the fat
many thanks
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4-AD would be great as it helps with sex drive also.
 
bswanny said:
Could the site reduction appearance be due slightly to the glycerin in the profile? I notice the effect within minutes and believe it takes the 4 hydrotest longer to reach the blood stream. Just noticed the same effect when I take gms as it pulls water away from the skin and into the muscle.
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Not certain. It does seem to have an acute effect though.
 
Vidosick said:
Do not want to seem tactless, but I am now so interested in the Epi / Formeron, I could not help asking. Could you recommend something else in this stack for wet weight, or for the first course is not desirable? I broke my head, reading a forum on this topic .. for example DIENAZONE (ex-Trenazone ), 4-AD ..?
my goal - dry mass and strength, cutting the fat
many thanks
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If you mean this is your first course of any hormonal products just stick with formeron and epi. Its plenty to see results. If you have run several prohormone or designer steroid or normal steroid cycles than multi compound cycles make more sense as you can gauge from experience how your body will react to certsin substances.
My rule of thumb has always been 1 new compound per cycle. This way if new side effects come up you know what tue cause is and how to treat it or remove it.

Having said that. If your an experienced user i would do this:
Ideal- 500-750mg test cyp weekly +formeron 4 pumps daily and epi. Run the test 10 weeks. Form 8 weeks. Epi 6. Test first form second epi third so at the end of the cycle all compounds are at full mast.

Second-dymethazine-epi-formeron.
Start all at once. 4 weeks dime. 6 weeks epi. 8 weeks formeron.
 
I think after this epi run I'm only going to use formeron and the new product you have coming. I'm a little nervous about all these stomach issues ppl are having with havoc. I like how fast it dries and the rush I get before the gym. It's intense. I usually can only ohp 155 , today 185 went up like warm up sets. I still have the rush two hours later it's crazy.
 
brundel said:
My rule of thumb has always been 1 new compound per cycle. This way if new side effects come up you know what tue cause is and how to treat it or remove it.
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Troubleshooting 101 fellas. Always know your variable so you can enhance or eliminate.
 
luckylefty811 said:
I think after this epi run I'm only going to use formeron and the new product you have coming. I'm a little nervous about all these stomach issues ppl are having with havoc. I like how fast it dries and the rush I get before the gym. It's intense. I usually can only ohp 155 , today 185 went up like warm up sets. I still have the rush two hours later it's crazy.
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Man those are some crazy strength gains and you are only in week 3 of your cycle.Also Formeron & the new tongkat/broron product should be great for PCT.
 
koi1214 said:
Man those are some crazy strength gains and you are only in week 3 of your cycle.Also Formeron & the new tongkat/broron product should be great for PCT.
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Even if I get half that after it's over I'll be happy that would have taken me months to get.
 
luckylefty811 said:
I think after this epi run I'm only going to use formeron and the new product you have coming. I'm a little nervous about all these stomach issues ppl are having with havoc. I like how fast it dries and the rush I get before the gym. It's intense. I usually can only ohp 155 , today 185 went up like warm up sets. I still have the rush two hours later it's crazy.
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Epistane is a methylated oral steroid correct? So its causing significant liver damage. 100% certain of this.
THis means its also negatively impacting cholesterol levels. THis leads to arthersclerosis = clogged hardened arteries. THis causes heart attacks, strokes and cardiac arrest. ON your first cycle this wont happen but with repeated use it certainly will.
It also suppresses your natural testosterone levels so....your balls are shrinking even with Formeron its not gonna stay elevated. FOrmeron can fix it post cycle but on cycle your test levels are probably in the female range.


Formeron doesnt cause any of these.
 
koi1214 said:
Man those are some crazy strength gains and you are only in week 3 of your cycle.Also Formeron & the new tongkat/broron product should be great for PCT.
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Im sending Flight a full PCT for his current cycle.
Boron tongkat
the new SERM
Formeron.
Hes gonna run bloods. ;)
 
Im working on labels for the tongkatboron.
I also need a name. Tauron?
Im thinking about changing our brand labels. Darker. Black and white perhaps.
Black bottles..

THoughts?
 
Oh and I received the new non steroidal anabolic today.
Im gonna feed it to two friends.
1 aas user and 1 non to see how they respond. If after 2 weeks there is a positive result we will begin public trials :)
 
brundel said:
Epistane is a methylated oral steroid correct? So its causing significant liver damage. 100% certain of this. THis means its also negatively impacting cholesterol levels. THis leads to arthersclerosis = clogged hardened arteries. THis causes heart attacks, strokes and cardiac arrest. ON your first cycle this wont happen but with repeated use it certainly will. It also suppresses your natural testosterone levels so....your balls are shrinking even with Formeron its not gonna stay elevated. FOrmeron can fix it post cycle but on cycle your test levels are probably in the female range. Formeron doesnt cause any of these.
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Yea I've been reading about epi a lot, and I've been eating very healthy on cycle. Can't wait for this new pct you got brewing !
 
Once we get bloods done Ill be more inclined to put the SERM out.
Soon it looks like :)
 
So what is this new SERM?

I'm definitely interested in that new non-steroidal anabolic too if it is not suppressive. I'll start long PCT protocol in three weeks so if there will be logging opportunities, I'll throw my name to the hat!

I friggin' love BLR! You guys have already cured my gyno and all these new promising products... Good times ahead.
 
brundel said:
Epistane is a methylated oral steroid correct? So its causing significant liver damage. 100% certain of this.THis means its also negatively impacting cholesterol levels. THis leads to arthersclerosis = clogged hardened arteries. THis causes heart attacks, strokes and cardiac arrest. ON your first cycle this wont happen but with repeated use it certainly will.It also suppresses your natural testosterone levels so....your balls are shrinking even with Formeron its not gonna stay elevated. FOrmeron can fix it post cycle but on cycle your test levels are probably in the female range.Formeron doesnt cause any of these.
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Great post. This is why support supps are a must on Cycle.
brundel said:
Im sending Flight a full PCT for his current cycle.Boron tongkatthe new SERMFormeron.Hes gonna run bloods. ;)
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It will be great to see bloods.
brundel said:
Im working on labels for the tongkatboron.I also need a name. Tauron?Im thinking about changing our brand labels. Darker. Black and white perhaps.Black bottles..THoughts?
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Black bottle and grey or silver label with black printing?Als good luck with the name!
luckylefty811 said:
Yea I've been reading about epi a lot, and I've been eating very healthy on cycle. Can't wait for this new pct you got brewing !
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Are you using any cycle support supps?
 
Ai cycle support 2 scoops a day am and pm plus Greens every day.
 
The SERM is a natural compound that could be used by cancer patients not wanting to use synthetic drugs.
It is comparable to nolvadex in strength and action. It works on the same receptors.
We have also modified it to improve absorption. It has been sold as pct product before, however, dose was 10x too low.
Its not cheap.
Its hard to make/obtain.
It works VERY well.

This is all Ill say for now.
 
brundel said:
The SERM is a natural compound that could be used by cancer patients not wanting to use synthetic drugs.
It is comparable to nolvadex in strength and action. It works on the same receptors.
We have also modified it to improve absorption. It has been sold as pct product before, however, dose was 10x too low.
Its not cheap.
Its hard to make/obtain.
It works VERY well.

This is all Ill say for now.
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Sounds great. Price doesn't matter really - SERM is a must, no matter how much it costs. And with BRL customer will always know what is in that bottle - which is not the case with many research companies that sell Tamox or Clomid.
 
My guess is that the "natural SERM" is "CAPE" - bee propolis! Am I right?

Lol, I'm just bored and excited...
 
g0hardorgohom said:
My guess is that the "natural SERM" is "CAPE" - bee propolis! Am I right?

Lol, I'm just bored and excited...
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No :)
But good guess.
Once we get closer Ill start posting studies as well as real work examples from cancer patients.
I just know that many companies are coat tail riders. They wait for the next new thing then copy it and try to undercut.

We are not the first with this stuff just the first to use realistic doses.
 
brundel said:
Im working on labels for the tongkatboron.
I also need a name. Tauron?
Im thinking about changing our brand labels. Darker. Black and white perhaps.
Black bottles..

THoughts?
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I'd stay with current white bottles simply due to better functioning at repelling sun energy compared to black bottles absorbing light (hence black bottles get much warmer when on light).

For me white is also more positive color than black but that's just me.

I like labels and color chosen for Abyss bottles - once again green color makes me feel more positive than black or gray so any combination of white and green over gray on black wins for me.

But OK this are just insignificant things - for me I'd prefer you stay with current white bottles. For labels and color also don't care that much as long as product works.

I think better focus on catchy name - similar name Tauro Test already on the market.

You could either just call it TongkatBoron which would come up in many searches when people want to buy one or both products and type this into Google search or on website of a merchant. You know many times people don't remember a name of a product then simply enter as search tongkat or tongkat boron.

If you do want a name not reveling full name of both ingredients few names that pops out in my head are:
- AliBoron, BorAli, AliBor, BoronAli, LongBoron...

Still I like the most TongkatBoron cause everybody knows right away what the product is all about and it will pop out in searches to people wanting to buy a product containing one or both of these ingredients.

As a bonus tip - check your PM :)
 
brundel said:
No :)
But good guess.
Once we get closer Ill start posting studies as well as real work examples from cancer patients.
I just know that many companies are coat tail riders. They wait for the next new thing then copy it and try to undercut.

We are not the first with this stuff just the first to use realistic doses.
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BLR has a huge customer base already so I wouldn't be too worried about copycats.
 
ahh123 said:
I'd stay with current white bottles simply due to better functioning at repelling sun energy compared to black bottles absorbing light (hence black bottles get much warmer when on light).

For me white is also more positive color than black but that's just me.

I like labels and color chosen for Abyss bottles - once again green color makes me feel more positive than black or gray so any combination of white and green over gray on black wins for me.

But OK this are just insignificant things - for me I'd prefer you stay with current white bottles. For labels and color also don't care that much as long as product works.

I think better focus on catchy name - similar name Tauro Test already on the market.

You could either just call it TongkatBoron which would come up in many searches when people want to buy one or both products and type this into Google search or on website of a merchant. You know many times people don't remember a name of a product then simply enter as search tongkat or tongkat boron.

If you do want a name not reveling full name of both ingredients few names that pops out in my head are:
- AliBoron, BorAli, AliBor, BoronAli, LongBoron...

Still I like the most TongkatBoron cause everybody knows right away what the product is all about and it will pop out in searches to people wanting to buy a product containing one or both of these ingredients.

As a bonus tip - check your PM :)
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Bought it already lol. Never know ;)

I think you make good points regarding color etc.
I do think the labels need rebranding though. Problem is I do EVERYTHING myself and Im stretched a bit thin. Also I dont trust anyone to do it for me so there is a problem there lol. Ill keep at it.

Also a quick update. Release date for the tongkat boron is pushed back about 10 days beyond previous estimates but here is why.
Instead of me making small batches Im having a few thousand made. Currently we have been running into serious supply issues caused by a giant increase in demand. This is a good problem but one I need to address. So...I need to ensure we have stock.
We have 0 prolactrone in stock currently which = losing money.

At any rate. Soon....maybe 10 days-14 days Ill have plenty of the tongkat boron. We are using boron citrate. Well absorbed version.
 
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