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ahh123 said:
Nice news about tongkat-boron product available by the end of this month.

I guess it won't be available in Europe before Apr 2014 so looking forward to reviews by US guys.

Until then I might as well just pick up some boron product to test since I never took it.

Do you or anybody else recommend any other boron product besides NOW Boron or is this good enough?
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I used the now boron before I bought a kG for myself. Its this KG Im gonna use to make the first batch.
NOW is fine. You have to take 3x caps though.

We have UK distributors and Im sure I can convince them to take a few units.
 
uubiduu said:
I started taking now boron together with some other test boosting natty stuff two weeks ago after reading brundels experiences with this supp.I dont notice anything in the libido department BUT i dont loose strength at all though i already lost 12lbs the last six weeks during my hard cut
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THIS ^^^ is something :)
I lost 15 lbs on my recent cut and my strength is WAY down. 15-20%. I look fantastic but Im certainly weaker.
When Im fat, bloated and estrogenic my strength is incredible.
Dry and lean...not so much.
Keeping in mind Im CLean. No AAS except my TRT.

Drug fueled cuts Id be stronger by the day from all the DHT derivatives.
 
Keep in mind also that when SHBG goes down estrogen also rises so...perhaps use a low dose of an AI and libido will crank up.
If your using an AI it may be too much.
Estrogen levels are normally the cause of libido issues for me.
 
brundel said:
When Im fat, bloated and estrogenic my strength is incredible.
Dry and lean...not so much.
Keeping in mind Im CLean. No AAS except my TRT.
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It's funny because it's true. When I look like crap, I am definitely stronger. I have found that I need to incorporate a split that incorporates hypertrophy ranges and strength building ranges into the same week to keep strength up and keep a leaner look. When I run a routine, I no longer do one or the other.
 
These days because I train clean I focus on cycling my goals.

I run a DC program with high cals for mass gaining. DC/Doggcrapp is the #1 for gaining strength and mass.
In short its hit type training like mentzers style. 3 training days per week but you train every bodypart twice in 8 days. So its a 2 day split with 6 unique workouts.
Progressive weight.
**** makes you strong and the added rest days = more weight gain.

Then I shift to lighter cals and light carbs with high volume training.

Seems to work well for me.
 
I love DC.
Its the holy grail of bodybuilding. NOTHING has made me stronger which = muscle growth when you eat enough.
Plus its awesome beating your records every day and the training is super abnormal so...its great for vets who have been at it for decades and need a change that actually works.
 
brundel said:
I used the now boron before I bought a kG for myself. Its this KG Im gonna use to make the first batch.
NOW is fine. You have to take 3x caps though.

We have UK distributors and Im sure I can convince them to take a few units.
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Yeah do ship few units to UK distributors since I'll ran out of Formeron around mid Mar so I'd buy a stack of Formeron + tongkat-boron product.

Hmm heck I'd even be willing to do pre and post bloodwork since the last one I did was over 2 years ago and I'm in my mid 30s.
 
brundel said:
I used the now boron before I bought a kG for myself. Its this KG Im gonna use to make the first batch.
NOW is fine. You have to take 3x caps though.

We have UK distributors and Im sure I can convince them to take a few units.
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If available from an uk retailer i could imagine to log it
 
kisaj said:
It's funny because it's true. When I look like crap, I am definitely stronger. I have found that I need to incorporate a split that incorporates hypertrophy ranges and strength building ranges into the same week to keep strength up and keep a leaner look. When I run a routine, I no longer do one or the other.
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Have you tried PHAT training system ? I love it. It has some powerlifting principles and hypertrophy high rep ranges as well. I used it during my powerlifting days to gain strength.
 
That is essentially what I am doing. I read up on that years ago and it quickly became one of my favorite routines because we all love the ones we see the most benefit from. The main difference is that I do 4 sets instead of the 2-3, and I skip the chest arms hypertrophy day. This is 4 day routine for me, but the other aspects of PHAT are all in place.

Plus, it is very effective for me. I train MMA and do endurance type events in the summer (occasional rec strongman, rugby, lots of mtn biking). I need strength and endurance to stay effective against these young dudes.
 
kisaj said:
That is essentially what I am doing. I read up on that years ago and it quickly became one of my favorite routines because we all love the ones we see the most benefit from. The main difference is that I do 4 sets instead of the 2-3, and I skip the chest arms hypertrophy day. This is 4 day routine for me, but the other aspects of PHAT are all in place.
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Oh ok you would always switch it to 4 sets 12-15 too to get even more volume
 
I could, but I prefer to keep volume of that level to a separate routine. When I get into the 12+ range, it robs me of strength in the low, heavy days.
 
brundel said:
Both of our UK distributors are listed/linked on our where to buy page at http://www.blacklionresearch.com
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I got used to using powermyself mainly cause they being more buyer friendly website and design more pleasant for the eyes.

You could convince your UK merchants to offer stack of Formeron & free test product since buying from UK has actually became more expensive for us in Europe than ordering straight from USA such as nutraplanet.
 
brundel said:
Im not sure DAA does anything. We ran bloodwork on NMDA and NOTHING except liver stress happened.
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oh ok, just read a while back that you recommended running DAA alongside Formeron so you didnt have to use quite so much Form.

Interestedin this Tongkat-Boron stack, been runing the boron for a week now though nothing really noticeable yet.
 
Hey brundel, a few more questions for you! Thanks for the help in advance. Ok - how long do you wait to put on a shirt after application? It seems to dry almost immedietly, besides the little crystally stuff. Can i just brush that stuff off after a few minutes when its dry? Also, i wanted to do the 2 pumps a day for part of pct but i press down on the pump slowly like you say and it seems to me like a crapload comes out. Its like at least 2 quarter size piles i put on the inside of my forearm and then spread around chest neck clavicles etc. does that seem like how much should come out with one pump. I dont wanna be going over 2 pumps worth but the quarter size piles is the only way i can think of describing the amount. I dont know if that makes any sense, but the amount that comes out is enough to cover my upper chest, both shoulders, neck, and both inner forearms. Thanks brother!
 
MikeST said:
oh ok, just read a while back that you recommended running DAA alongside Formeron so you didnt have to use quite so much Form.

Interestedin this Tongkat-Boron stack, been runing the boron for a week now though nothing really noticeable yet.
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I used to believe in DAA. The research looked good and everyone was using it and there were patents pending.
UNfortunately when you take it nothing happens lol.

WIth the Boron you may not actually FEEL anything.
Even on some anabolic steroid stacks you dont really FEEL it. You just start getting stronger and recovering faster. If your libido is already good you wont notice much but the extra horsepower and anabolic potential will be there so ...take advantage of it by eating a bit more and progressively increasing weight at the gym. THings will happen.
 
Psychward said:
Hey brundel, a few more questions for you! Thanks for the help in advance. Ok - how long do you wait to put on a shirt after application? It seems to dry almost immedietly, besides the little crystally stuff. Can i just brush that stuff off after a few minutes when its dry? Also, i wanted to do the 2 pumps a day for part of pct but i press down on the pump slowly like you say and it seems to me like a crapload comes out. Its like at least 2 quarter size piles i put on the inside of my forearm and then spread around chest neck clavicles etc. does that seem like how much should come out with one pump. I dont wanna be going over 2 pumps worth but the quarter size piles is the only way i can think of describing the amount. I dont know if that makes any sense, but the amount that comes out is enough to cover my upper chest, both shoulders, neck, and both inner forearms. Thanks brother!
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Id wait a little while to put on a shirt if possible but 10 min is probably fine. Less if your in a hurry isnt gonna kill you.
We just want time for everything on the skin that can pass through to pass through. THe remaining crystals ID add some alcohol based hand sanitizer after 5-10 min. Wait for it to dry-1 min then shirt up.

The volume of the pump is normal.
 
brundel said:
Id wait a little while to put on a shirt if possible but 10 min is probably fine. Less if your in a hurry isnt gonna kill you. We just want time for everything on the skin that can pass through to pass through. THe remaining crystals ID add some alcohol based hand sanitizer after 5-10 min. Wait for it to dry-1 min then shirt up. The volume of the pump is normal.
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Ok thank you, so the crystals may contain part of the compound? I'll pick up some of that sanitizer today. Also how long do i have to avoid contact with my girlfriend after application to avoid getting it on her?
 
Hi there, Brundel I was wondering if you could help me out. My girlfriend wants to compete in a bikini comp and has ran a 12 week cut and eaten very clean along with a high intensity workout regime including HIIT 3-4 times a week. She now has a very lean upper body (6 pack is clear as day), but her legs dont' show alot of definition at all. Could Formeron assist her with dropping that weight from her legs? Thanks!
 
From a medical standpoint, not many women have been studied under ais that aren't through menopause.
 
What was the Boron dose U recommended ????


brundel said:
I used to believe in DAA. The research looked good and everyone was using it and there were patents pending.
UNfortunately when you take it nothing happens lol.

WIth the Boron you may not actually FEEL anything.
Even on some anabolic steroid stacks you dont really FEEL it. You just start getting stronger and recovering faster. If your libido is already good you wont notice much but the extra horsepower and anabolic potential will be there so ...take advantage of it by eating a bit more and progressively increasing weight at the gym. THings will happen.
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Psychward said:
Ok thank you, so the crystals may contain part of the compound? I'll pick up some of that sanitizer today. Also how long do i have to avoid contact with my girlfriend after application to avoid getting it on her?
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The crystals ARE the compound. Only a small % goes through the skin so what remains is visible.
Not to worry. plenty gets through.
A little hand sanitizer will force a few more % through.
 
CobbledPath said:
Hi there, Brundel I was wondering if you could help me out. My girlfriend wants to compete in a bikini comp and has ran a 12 week cut and eaten very clean along with a high intensity workout regime including HIIT 3-4 times a week. She now has a very lean upper body (6 pack is clear as day), but her legs dont' show alot of definition at all. Could Formeron assist her with dropping that weight from her legs? Thanks!
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-I am not a dr and ANYTHING I say is for research purposes only.


It may help but understand its intended to reduce estrogen levels and will do this in women.
Its like you lowering your testosterone levels. Not good.
Now...most of these compounds, formestane included, were initially designed for use by women with breast cancer but they still have significant negative effects on women. Formestane was tested extensively on women and the primary side effects are associated with low estrogen levels.

reduce carb intake.
Increase cardio slowly.


-I am not a dr and ANYTHING I say is for research purposes only.

If it were me personally, I would include a low dose of clenbuterol or albuterol twice daily.-
10mg per day of anavar.- Make sure its real anavar. THis is the most widely faked drug. Anavar is very mild and has little masculinizing effects at this dose for women. If its not anavar anything can happen...like clitoral growth, deepening of the voice, beard growth...etc etc.
Add incinderine, our fat burner.- I think our AU distributor has it.
The last week leading into the contest. Add formeron at 2 pumps per day. She will def drop remaining water.

would avoid prescription diuretics.

Again this is only theoretical. Make decisions based upon your best judgment, laws in your area, and drs advice.
 
koi1214 said:
10 mgs first thing in the morning. NOW Foods Boron is 3 mg, so you would need to take 3.
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This.
Also keep in mind as SHBG goes down many things happen. Estro rises as does DHT.
IM not sure the exact cause but after 2 months using the Boron my prostate swells. Urination becomes difficult and I can...feel the pressure.
3-4 days off and it goes away.
My point is cycle it.
Use an AI with it.
 
Is there any evidence to support that Formeron if applied directly on pecs could increase the chances of avoiding gyno on cycle and during pct?
 
BigGame84 said:
Is there any evidence to support that Formeron if applied directly on pecs could increase the chances of avoiding gyno on cycle and during pct?
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Are you asking if there is evidence to support Formeron decreases estrogen therefore reducing chances for gyno on cycle and PCT?
If this is your question then yes. THere are dozens of bloodwork results posted online and over 10000 satisfied customers.
In addition formestane has been studied extensively for decades. THere is 0 question it works well.
This is the whole point of the product.


If your asking does it have a localized effect by applying to your nipples then no. It doest.
 
There is some evidence that certain tissues contain more aromatase than others. Im unsure honestly if directly applying to those areas may increase inhibition%. It is...possible. Im saying no based upon a lack of evidence but i have not really searched for it.
 
brundel said:
This.
Also keep in mind as SHBG goes down many things happen. Estro rises as does DHT.
IM not sure the exact cause but after 2 months using the Boron my prostate swells. Urination becomes difficult and I can...feel the pressure.
3-4 days off and it goes away.
My point is cycle it.
Use an AI with it.
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This is why the test product should have a AI/SERM included?
 
The problem is that people are sensitive to AIs and what works for some, may not work for others. I don't like proprietary mixes that don't allow you to tailor the supp to my needs. Adding in, for example, 75mg of some AI, may crush one person and not be enough to be effective for another. Better to leave it out and let the consumer decide.
 
kisaj said:
The problem is that people are sensitive to AIs and what works for some, may not work for others. I don't like proprietary mixes that don't allow you to tailor the supp to my needs. Adding in, for example, 75mg of some AI, may crush one person and not be enough to be effective for another. Better to leave it out and let the consumer decide.
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Completely agree with the above
 
Thats exactly correct.
Some people get achy joints from 1 pump Formeron which is almost nothing.
Some people dont at 6 pumps.

I do think an AI should be included when using the tongkat boron combo but may not be needed for everyone so we are gonna leave it out.

By itself the combo will work well.
 
brundel said:
Thats exactly correct.
Some people get achy joints from 1 pump Formeron which is almost nothing.
Some people dont at 6 pumps.

I do think an AI should be included when using the tongkat boron combo but may not be needed for everyone so we are gonna leave it out.

By itself the combo will work well.
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I also support not adding AI into test boosters but taking it together in a stack - one product being test booster and another product being AI as a stand alone.

Hoping for distributors to offer some kind of a promo price on stack of Formerone + tongkat/boron product (once it's available on the market).
 
brundel said:
I used to believe in DAA. The research looked good and everyone was using it and there were patents pending.
UNfortunately when you take it nothing happens lol.

WIth the Boron you may not actually FEEL anything.
Even on some anabolic steroid stacks you dont really FEEL it. You just start getting stronger and recovering faster. If your libido is already good you wont notice much but the extra horsepower and anabolic potential will be there so ...take advantage of it by eating a bit more and progressively increasing weight at the gym. THings will happen.
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hmm ok, well i got a small bag of DAA see if it does anything for me. TBH my libido is awful at the moment (probably due to my age, 40) so anything that helps will be a bonus so if the boron does that all the better.
 
I'm not on HRT, but I've been symptomatic of E2 dominance, my latest E2 came in at 36.7 range 7.6-42.6 pg/mL CB. Would Formeron work for me to lower E2? Or would it lower it to far? What would the recommended dose be?
 
My final thoughts on the tongkat Ali are, the extract that I got from Brundel is better than any other that Ive ever used. Normally I dose at 500 mg per day. With his I had the same exact effect at 275 mg
 
So I may be a little confused, but it sounds like Black Lion Research is trying to come out with a SERM-like or based product which can be run solo, trt, or PCT? Did I read this right? I tried reading through a few pages but it didn't clear it up, I'm sorry if I'm being repetitive.
I plan on running a 6-8 week Alpha lab kit+5-alpha-test and Formeron (light dose on-cycle+PCT) starting in mid March, and have Reboot, LCTC, Daa as well.
I've heard different opinions about this cycle needing/obtaining tamofexin/nolva from RC but have also heard many stories of getting bunk or wrong product. (Clen for instance). I feel like if there's the possibility you're going to be coming out with a product that's as effective as these, but I actually KNOW what I'm getting, it'd be worth delaying my cycle until I can have this product in hand!

FORMERON is a fantastic product by the way!
 
hey Brundel,

Im on epi now did you say on cycle, 2 am and 2 pm?
 
neothecat said:
I'm not on HRT, but I've been symptomatic of E2 dominance, my latest E2 came in at 36.7 range 7.6-42.6 pg/mL CB. Would Formeron work for me to lower E2? Or would it lower it to far? What would the recommended dose be?
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It will work yes.
Its dose dependent so....just use 1 pump daily. If it drops too low half dose. If it needs to go down more double dose.
 
stankyleg said:
My final thoughts on the tongkat Ali are, the extract that I got from Brundel is better than any other that Ive ever used. Normally I dose at 500 mg per day. With his I had the same exact effect at 275 mg
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This is awesome. Thanks for your review :)
 
fistrj said:
So I may be a little confused, but it sounds like Black Lion Research is trying to come out with a SERM-like or based product which can be run solo, trt, or PCT? Did I read this right? I tried reading through a few pages but it didn't clear it up, I'm sorry if I'm being repetitive.
I plan on running a 6-8 week Alpha lab kit+5-alpha-test and Formeron (light dose on-cycle+PCT) starting in mid March, and have Reboot, LCTC, Daa as well.
I've heard different opinions about this cycle needing/obtaining tamofexin/nolva from RC but have also heard many stories of getting bunk or wrong product. (Clen for instance). I feel like if there's the possibility you're going to be coming out with a product that's as effective as these, but I actually KNOW what I'm getting, it'd be worth delaying my cycle until I can have this product in hand!

FORMERON is a fantastic product by the way!
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We do have a SERM in testing.
I think we are realistically looking at summer release for this so....I dont know if Id hold my breath.

Soon will be tongkat+ boron combo.

and hopefully if testing goes well a new anabolic.

I think youll be ok without a SERM on this cycle.
 
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