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Just an update with the tongkats. I continue to notice increased energy an work capacity. This must have some very strong adaptogen qualities.
 
str8_lurkin said:
Brundel I tried sending you a PM but it didn't let me. But do you think Formeron would be a good stack with alpha mass and alpha test? and when will it be in stock anywhere! lol
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Honestly I have no idea what those are but since they say mass and test Im almost 100% certain they are not AI based supplements.
FOrmeron will be a fantastic addition.

NP is trying to catch up after the new year sale.
They should have stock again soon.
 
My libido Is strong as hell. I usually don't care about sex for about 2 weeks post ejac. I've fired off 3 times in the last 3 days. My wife can't keep up. This is cool.
 
brundel said:
This is just the % that doesnt penetrate the skin.
I like to wait about 10 min then apply an alcohol based hand sanitizer to the application site. This will force more through. Then just brush off any remaining crystals.
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Thanks brundel. I'm having a bit of a problem. I started the letro, which is fempro by cilpa a couple days ago and I've been doing 1-2 pumps of formeron a day for a boost In the gym, and prami .5mg for 4 days. I took some DAA on Saturday and Yesterday I started getting sensitive nips again. The prami destroys my sleep and makes my head race at night. Idk if it's legit, but my nipples are still puffy even though my joints ache to high heaven. I ordered som prolactrone so hopefully it will help. How long can/should I use all three? I don't mind the dry affect from letro/formeron but when is it time to call quits on whether it's going to reduce my puffynees, itchiness and lumps or not? Also will letro get rid of gyno that was induced by prolactin once prolactin is under control? Or will prolactrone reduce/get rid of it on its own?

Thanks
 
SquatsAndOats said:
Thanks brundel. I'm having a bit of a problem. I started the letro, which is fempro by cilpa a couple days ago and I've been doing 1-2 pumps of formeron a day for a boost In the gym, and prami .5mg for 4 days. I took some DAA on Saturday and Yesterday I started getting sensitive nips again. The prami destroys my sleep and makes my head race at night. Idk if it's legit, but my nipples are still puffy even though my joints ache to high heaven. I ordered som prolactrone so hopefully it will help. How long can/should I use all three? I don't mind the dry affect from letro/formeron but when is it time to call quits on whether it's going to reduce my puffynees, itchiness and lumps or not? Also will letro get rid of gyno that was induced by prolactin once prolactin is under control? Or will prolactrone reduce/get rid of it on its own?

Thanks
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What caused the gyno in the first place?
Your on a TON of heavy drugs...if this is happening because of DAA stop the DAA right now. Its likely not doing anything positive for you anyways.
If, your estro is low enough that your joints hurt and your running letro AND Formeron we can semi rule out estro as the cause. Ultimately bloodwork is the only way to know for certain. Generally When I start an AI to reduce gyno symptoms it takes about a week to really notice it helping. This is because AI's dont directly lower estrogen they prevent its production so it takes time for estro to drop.

If its prolactin and prami isnt helping I dont see how Prolactrone is gonna fix it either. Perhaps the Prami is bunk?

How is libido? This is often a good gauge of where estro and PRL are. If they are elevated libido will tank out.
 
stankyleg said:
My libido Is strong as hell. I usually don't care about sex for about 2 weeks post ejac. I've fired off 3 times in the last 3 days. My wife can't keep up. This is cool.
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Im really happy everyone likes this stuff. It just makes me more confident that the products we produce with it will kick ass.
If you have issues with post ejac latency try some prolactrone...
 
SquatsAndOats said:
Thanks brundel. I'm having a bit of a problem. I started the letro, which is fempro by cilpa a couple days ago and I've been doing 1-2 pumps of formeron a day for a boost In the gym, and prami .5mg for 4 days. I took some DAA on Saturday and Yesterday I started getting sensitive nips again. The prami destroys my sleep and makes my head race at night. Idk if it's legit, but my nipples are still puffy even though my joints ache to high heaven. I ordered som prolactrone so hopefully it will help. How long can/should I use all three? I don't mind the dry affect from letro/formeron but when is it time to call quits on whether it's going to reduce my puffynees, itchiness and lumps or not? Also will letro get rid of gyno that was induced by prolactin once prolactin is under control? Or will prolactrone reduce/get rid of it on its own?

Thanks
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It's research prami that's over a year old so it very well could be bunk. I can't afford bloodwork right now so I'm hoping attacking it from all angles will hit it. My libido isn't "tanked" I still get some random wood throughout the day. Though I'm 21. The prami was messing with my sleep so I stopped it and slept great last night. Assuming it is prolactin will letro reduce the lumps/puffienss once prolactin is lowered or is that up to prolactrone?
 
brundel said:
What caused the gyno in the first place?
Your on a TON of heavy drugs...if this is happening because of DAA stop the DAA right now. Its likely not doing anything positive for you anyways.
If, your estro is low enough that your joints hurt and your running letro AND Formeron we can semi rule out estro as the cause. Ultimately bloodwork is the only way to know for certain. Generally When I start an AI to reduce gyno symptoms it takes about a week to really notice it helping. This is because AI's dont directly lower estrogen they prevent its production so it takes time for estro to drop.

If its prolactin and prami isnt helping I dont see how Prolactrone is gonna fix it either. Perhaps the Prami is bunk?

How is libido? This is often a good gauge of where estro and PRL are. If they are elevated libido will tank out.
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I forgot to add that the origional cause was from epistane, and pharma aromasin that dried my joints didn't work so it must have been prolactin. I was on test for 20 weeks and epistane for the last 4. In pct it came back. I was also taking DAA every day in pct and nolva as well. My guess was that I'm prolactin sensitive. I took some letro about 4 weeks after pct to try and reverse it and it came back. At that time I was just taking letro and DAA but didn't taper off correctly and ran out. Finally stopped DAA on Saturday, and just got more letro in and started last week.
Nolva never worked for any of this. When I took epistane and got sides nolva that I had used as had worked when I took dbol as a kickstart with it was not working with epistane. That's why I think this is all prolactin.
Hope that makes sense
 
Epi never caused prolactin issues with me and I'm super sensitive to prl and estro. DAA did cause prolactin issues with me and not sure how or why
 
SquatsAndOats said:
It's research prami that's over a year old so it very well could be bunk. I can't afford bloodwork right now so I'm hoping attacking it from all angles will hit it. My libido isn't "tanked" I still get some random wood throughout the day. Though I'm 21. The prami was messing with my sleep so I stopped it and slept great last night. Assuming it is prolactin will letro reduce the lumps/puffienss once prolactin is lowered or is that up to prolactrone?
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If its prolactin the AI isnt helping.
Doesnt sound like you have Prami. Prami makes me tired and drowsiness is a side effect. Might be you got Clen labeled as prami? its happened to me before...
 
SquatsAndOats said:
I forgot to add that the origional cause was from epistane, and pharma aromasin that dried my joints didn't work so it must have been prolactin. I was on test for 20 weeks and epistane for the last 4. In pct it came back. I was also taking DAA every day in pct and nolva as well. My guess was that I'm prolactin sensitive. I took some letro about 4 weeks after pct to try and reverse it and it came back. At that time I was just taking letro and DAA but didn't taper off correctly and ran out. Finally stopped DAA on Saturday, and just got more letro in and started last week.
Nolva never worked for any of this. When I took epistane and got sides nolva that I had used as had worked when I took dbol as a kickstart with it was not working with epistane. That's why I think this is all prolactin.
Hope that makes sense
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I dont think EPi causes prl issues but DAA probably does.
Stop the DAA.
Try Proalctrone. It wont negatively effect sleep. In fact sleep is alot better using Prolactrone. Sleep is incredibly deep and you get super vivid dreams.
 
I have the prolactrone on te way. Only thing is I wasn't on DAA when I was on epi, and nolva that I used and worked with dbol dint work with epi. Ive heard it can mess with prolactin but who knows with PHs. I'll try the prolactrone and hope that +letro+formeron will do some damage to this. The prami gave me weird dreams. Only way I can describe it is imagine your heart racingc except your head is racing when you dream.
When I eventually come off letro how long should I run formeron? It's not toxic in any way right so I could pretty much run it year round?

Also I've read a couple threads saying dht rapes gyno. Would something like masteron only with a dht oral be of benefit next cycle if there's still some lumps left?
 
SquatsAndOats said:
I have the prolactrone on te way. Only thing is I wasn't on DAA when I was on epi, and nolva that I used and worked with dbol dint work with epi. Ive heard it can mess with prolactin but who knows with PHs. I'll try the prolactrone and hope that +letro+formeron will do some damage to this. The prami gave me weird dreams. Only way I can describe it is imagine your heart racingc except your head is racing when you dream.
When I eventually come off letro how long should I run formeron? It's not toxic in any way right so I could pretty much run it year round?

Also I've read a couple threads saying dht rapes gyno. Would something like masteron only with a dht oral be of benefit next cycle if there's still some lumps left?
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Epistane was actually tested to be used as a breast cancer medication like masteron for example so its not likely causing any estro issues.
DHT rapes estro gyno but causes a host of side effect on it own so...AI is better.
When running wet compounds I would always include some masteron. I hardly ever used an AI at doses of test up to 2000mg.
 
brundel said:
Epistane was actually tested to be used as a breast cancer medication like masteron for example so its not likely causing any estro issues.
DHT rapes estro gyno but causes a host of side effect on it own so...AI is better.
When running wet compounds I would always include some masteron. I hardly ever used an AI at doses of test up to 2000mg.
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Interesting. With that amount of test I would think aromatization would be huge. I was on 590mg for 29 weeks and didn't have any issues till I introduced epi at week 16. I was thinking for my next cycle a short 8 week 100mg prop EOD with anadrol for 4 weeks and var throughout the whole cycle due to its low toxicity, I'm confident I can get real var. I plan on cutting but keeping/upping strength and improving form for future meets. My only problem is I don't trust nolva now because every time I've taken it except for the first 3 weeks of my cycle It made gyno symptoms worse. I know it messes with prolactin so what would you suggest for pct? I like my clomid at 50mg ED, and now that I know it exists formeron to keep estro in check. Never using DAA again after this fiasco. Hopefully I can get everything under wraps first though. I can't cycle again till May Abywas if I follow time on+pct=time off too. Thanks for your help brundel. It's nice to have a guy in the industry who knows what's up and doesn't BS. Formeron is working great for my so far. I PRd on squats today and I've been cutting for my meet next week.
 
I would recommend not running anadrol and var together. Var is LESS toxic than some but its still liver toxic and anadrol is HIGHLY toxic.
Plus....anadrol is plenty by itself.
I would extend the cycle to 10 weeks. Run anadrol 1-4 take a 2 week break and liver cleanse then run the var the last 4 weeks. Just my 2c.

Sometimes its hard to know what your really taking as 80+% of the drugs out there are counterfeit or fake or bunk altogether.
Lots of times its underdosed or totally fake so its hard to judge unless you have a script for it.

I took prescription nolva recently for a gyno lump that has developed. 10mg ed for a month and nothing happened.
Until I attacked it with high dose Formeron which did the trick. I know nolva works but it can take a long time to do the job.
 
Nolva never worked for me. Formeron and exemestane worked... not together of course. The only time I took epi was on test and I bloated like a fish and aggravated gyno. Dropped it after 4 days. Two days later I was back to normal. Never had an issue getting my gyno down though.
 
brundel said:
I would recommend not running anadrol and var together. Var is LESS toxic than some but its still liver toxic and anadrol is HIGHLY toxic.
Plus....anadrol is plenty by itself.
I would extend the cycle to 10 weeks. Run anadrol 1-4 take a 2 week break and liver cleanse then run the var the last 4 weeks. Just my 2c.

Sometimes its hard to know what your really taking as 80+% of the drugs out there are counterfeit or fake or bunk altogether.
Lots of times its underdosed or totally fake so its hard to judge unless you have a script for it.

I took prescription nolva recently for a gyno lump that has developed. 10mg ed for a month and nothing happened.
Until I attacked it with high dose Formeron which did the trick. I know nolva works but it can take a long time to do the job.
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I knew anadrol was toxic but isn't if one of the only steroids where the common bodybuilding dose (50-100mg) is less than the medical therapeutic dose? I like the idea of 4 weeks on 2 weeks off 4 weeks on though.
 
When do Formeron users typically see results in libido if they see any? Would this become more pronounced within the 6 day mark? I keep thinking I'm down for a solo night of reading but my girlfriend keeps coming over super late lol.
 
xant said:
When do Formeron users typically see results in libido if they see any? Would this become more pronounced within the 6 day mark? I keep thinking I'm down for a solo night of reading but my girlfriend keeps coming over super late lol.
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Up to a week!

You'll know when it does. Feels like your 16 again ;)
 
xant said:
Awesome to the max. Is this 1, 2 or 4 pumps a day?
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I'm now on day 12 (last 7 days on 2 pumps) and do notice change but nothing beats having a hot girl around you that is eager to make you horny.

Brain is biggest libido booster and no match to any legal non-steroid OTC test booster on the market for now.

Still eager to try this free test product when it comes out since Tongkat definitely has an effect on me - especially nice tingling in my balls.
 
SquatsAndOats said:
I knew anadrol was toxic but isn't if one of the only steroids where the common bodybuilding dose (50-100mg) is less than the medical therapeutic dose? I like the idea of 4 weeks on 2 weeks off 4 weeks on though.
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IM not sure about the therapeutic dose. I do know 100mg is HIGHLY toxic.
You will almost 100% get extreme elevations in blood pressure...anadrol as a medication is used for anemia so....itll raise red blood cell count and in turn blood pressure. THis can cause stroke, heart attack or cardiac arrest. Keep a close eye on blood pressure. I have a blood pressure cuff at my house and always kept an eye on things and I still had a cardiac arrest during my last cycle. I now have a pacemaker in my chest.
Understand these things we do are not without considerable risk. Anadrol is one of the more harsh drugs and carries more sides than most.
Take all your support medications
stay hydrated
watch blood pressure.
If things get at all sketchy pull the plug on the cycle. A few lbs of muscle isnt worth dying for.
 
xant said:
When do Formeron users typically see results in libido if they see any? Would this become more pronounced within the 6 day mark? I keep thinking I'm down for a solo night of reading but my girlfriend keeps coming over super late lol.
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This varies widely. Some see a drop in libido as estro drops into abnormally low ranges. Some people see extreme libido increase.
ALL AI meds give me an increase up to a point. Unfortunately every person is different so there is no way I can tell you for certain.
 
I have a buddy running test-e at 250mgs a week. He refuses to take a pharma anti-e. So I thinking about recommending Formeron.

Do you think 2 pumps daily is enough for a 6ft 200lb man?
 
brundel said:
I believe one of the major setbacks is tolerance builds within a few days.
Take it only on training days for sure.
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If it was in your pre workout I would seriously consider it.

Tried this AMPtriptoin (has caffiene and noop as well) with 300mg of AMP citrate and I had no tolerance issues at all.

Compared to DMAA or other ****ty stims:
- Smoother. Doesn't hit you like a ton of bricks
- last for ages! maybe not great for a pre workout but considering I only used it for a desk job
- no shakes what so ever.
- laser like focus. Literally in the zone, absolutely could not take my eyes of the computer screen
- no crash
- no tolerance issues for me anyways

I don't know, you wouldn't be able to try it with your HPB?
 
tcslick said:
I have a buddy running test-e at 250mgs a week. He refuses to take a pharma anti-e. So I thinking about recommending Formeron.

Do you think 2 pumps daily is enough for a 6ft 200lb man?
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At 250mg you dont need much. 1-2 pumps should do. Higher doses will contribute to his appearance though. Usually Formeron gives the user a really dry hard vascular appearance...if they are relatively lean.
 
horizons said:
If it was in your pre workout I would seriously consider it.

Tried this AMPtriptoin (has caffiene and noop as well) with 300mg of AMP citrate and I had no tolerance issues at all.

Compared to DMAA or other ****ty stims:
- Smoother. Doesn't hit you like a ton of bricks
- last for ages! maybe not great for a pre workout but considering I only used it for a desk job
- no shakes what so ever.
- laser like focus. Literally in the zone, absolutely could not take my eyes of the computer screen
- no crash
- no tolerance issues for me anyways

I don't know, you wouldn't be able to try it with your HPB?
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The primary reason I had stopped working on a pre workout is I cant test it on myself. I just cant take stims that are pretty much untested. ANYTHING can happen. Id have to work on the non stim portion then rely on science and product testers to asses the stim portion.

The last version I was using was amazing. I do plan on revisiting it soon. After the test booster.
 
brundel said:
The primary reason I had stopped working on a pre workout is I cant test it on myself. I just cant take stims that are pretty much untested. ANYTHING can happen. Id have to work on the non stim portion then rely on science and product testers to asses the stim portion.

The last version I was using was amazing. I do plan on revisiting it soon. After the test booster.
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Very keen on being a tester then ;)
 
I think Im gonna start making a habit of using the public forums to help design products.

I have all my research and work from before with regards to the PWO.
I had a 1,3 dime version that was VERY good.
If I can replace the dime the product is close to ready. Sucks I cant take stims. I mean...I can but Im not gonna lol.
 
brundel said:
I think Im gonna start making a habit of using the public forums to help design products.

I have all my research and work from before with regards to the PWO.
I had a 1,3 dime version that was VERY good.
If I can replace the dime the product is close to ready. Sucks I cant take stims. I mean...I can but Im not gonna lol.
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Good man, good company
 
Ultimately the products are for you guys.
I have nothing to hide so...publicly working with the people who use our products only makes sense.
This will allow me to have a gauge on what you guys want and need and will give you guys the opportunity to guide the process a bit.

I think this is a fantastic idea....why everyone doesnt do it Im unsure.

Im ordering some bioperine. Once it arrives Ill make some batches of the new version of the test booster with the tongkat and SERM.
When ready Ill send some out to a handful of guys to use. Run it on cycle, pct whatever you want......I want to be sure it works before we release it.

If it works well Ill pay to have bloods drawn.
 
Piston Honda said:
Good man, good company
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Agreed!

I'm very excited for the test booster as well as the future products in the lineup. So far I'm a huge fan of your tongkats. It definitely hits harder then the ones I've used in the past. The energy and wellbeing I get after dosing it is phenomenal! For that reason alone I could see it benign a staple in a pct product.
 
brundel said:
Ultimately the products are for you guys.
I have nothing to hide so...publicly working with the people who use our products only makes sense.
This will allow me to have a gauge on what you guys want and need and will give you guys the opportunity to guide the process a bit.

I think this is a fantastic idea....why everyone doesnt do it Im unsure.

Im ordering some bioperine. Once it arrives Ill make some batches of the new version of the test booster with the tongkat and SERM.
When ready Ill send some out to a handful of guys to use. Run it on cycle, pct whatever you want......I want to be sure it works before we release it.

If it works well Ill pay to have bloods drawn.
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Good lord I'm so excited.
 
I just want more of that tongkat, I don't need anything else. After a full run of it, I am convinced that there isn't another manufacturer that is currently putting out anything even close.
 
brundel said:
IM not sure about the therapeutic dose. I do know 100mg is HIGHLY toxic.
You will almost 100% get extreme elevations in blood pressure...anadrol as a medication is used for anemia so....itll raise red blood cell count and in turn blood pressure. THis can cause stroke, heart attack or cardiac arrest. Keep a close eye on blood pressure. I have a blood pressure cuff at my house and always kept an eye on things and I still had a cardiac arrest during my last cycle. I now have a pacemaker in my chest.
Understand these things we do are not without considerable risk. Anadrol is one of the more harsh drugs and carries more sides than most.
Take all your support medications
stay hydrated
watch blood pressure.
If things get at all sketchy pull the plug on the cycle. A few lbs of muscle isnt worth dying for.
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Hanks Brundel I'll keep that in mind or maybe sub the Drol for Dbol and use formeron to keep estro in check. I'm just trying to keep mass to a minnium and get my strength up and it know dbol is great for adding mass on you and it makes me hungry all the time where drol I can't eat to save my life.
 
Does anyone know if Formeron(Black Lion version) shows positive on a steroid urine test? I understand that it can elevate testosterone levels above the normal range. So perhaps that alone would be enough to fail a screen test.

If that is the case, does anyone know how long it stays in the system and the time it takes for the testosterone levels to go back to normal? Are we talking weeks or even months here?
 
treyman said:
Does anyone know if Formeron(Black Lion version) shows positive on a steroid urine test? I understand that it can elevate testosterone levels above the normal range. So perhaps that alone would be enough to fail a screen test. If that is the case, does anyone know how long it stays in the system and the time it takes for the testosterone levels to go back to normal? Are we talking weeks or even months here?
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They can test for 4 hydroxytestosterone in a steroid test. I've seen it on a drug screening panel
 
JD261985 said:
They can test for 4 hydroxytestosterone in a steroid test. I've seen it on a drug screening panel
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Any idea of how long it takes before its safe to take a test? Injections like "Testerone Enanthate" stays in system for 3 months before it's safe to take a test. But it feels like a product like Formeron that absorb as a cream on the skin should have alot shorter time to "clear" from the system?
 
Brundel, while we wait for the Free-T product, any Tongkat company/product you recommend in the mean time?


What about for Nettle as well?
 
treyman said:
Does anyone know if Formeron(Black Lion version) shows positive on a steroid urine test? I understand that it can elevate testosterone levels above the normal range. So perhaps that alone would be enough to fail a screen test.

If that is the case, does anyone know how long it stays in the system and the time it takes for the testosterone levels to go back to normal? Are we talking weeks or even months here?
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Im assuming your the same guy I spoke to via email.
1. Formeron WILL elevate your test levels. On more than one occasion I have seen it raise levels above test range so.....if your tested this will be a red flag for sure. How long it stays elevated post use...I have no idea but Id give it a wide span.
2. Metabolites of Formestane may also ping on a test. Formestane itself is on the WADA list as is every AI and pretty much anything anabolic so....if your a natty competitor and as such are supposed to be NATURAL you should not be using anything anyways. Its up to YOU to find out what is tested for as I dont know the regulations for every federation on earth.
 
SquatsAndOats said:
Hanks Brundel I'll keep that in mind or maybe sub the Drol for Dbol and use formeron to keep estro in check. I'm just trying to keep mass to a minnium and get my strength up and it know dbol is great for adding mass on you and it makes me hungry all the time where drol I can't eat to save my life.
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Just be careful brother. Honestly I care about what happens to you guys and I know first hand that this game we play is a risky one.
The year I had my cardiac arrest 5 other bodybuilders I knew of also did. Only I lived. All but one were in their 30s.
Art Atwood -cardiac arrest and fell into his pool and drown. I believe he was 36.
Steve Kapper- my friend, cardiac arrest on stage...died before medics arrived.
etc etc
Recently Greg Kovaks died, also cardiac arrest. Early 40s.
Remember when they were saying show me the bodies? Well they are now starting to pile up and its our friends and training partners and all good guys who vigorously pursued their passion for bodybuilding.

Im not saying dont use steroids.
Id do it today if I could. Im saying understand the risks. Research EVERY compound your gonna put into your body and understand what it does and what to do to prevent side effects and the trauma it puts your body through.
Take it easy, if your not a professional bodybuilder and never plan to be, dont take risks with your life.
A little test, maybe an oral once or twice a year at low doses. Fine. Above that...probably leave it to those who are willing to risk their lives to be at the top.
 
brundel said:
Im assuming your the same guy I spoke to via email.
1. Formeron WILL elevate your test levels. On more than one occasion I have seen it raise levels above test range so.....if your tested this will be a red flag for sure. How long it stays elevated post use...I have no idea but Id give it a wide span.
2. Metabolites of Formestane may also ping on a test. Formestane itself is on the WADA list as is every AI and pretty much anything anabolic so....if your a natty competitor and as such are supposed to be NATURAL you should not be using anything anyways. Its up to YOU to find out what is tested for as I dont know the regulations for every federation on earth.
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Yeah I'm the same guy =) Thanks for the answers.

Still would be great to know if like 1 month is enough before taking a test.
 
treyman said:
Yeah I'm the same guy =) Thanks for the answers.

Still would be great to know if like 1 month is enough before taking a test.
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Unfortunately I dont know the clearance time for all the metabolites of Formestane. Formestanes half life is pretty short.
I know there is hydroxytestosterone to think about but its also likely short lived.
I think a month is fine. Maybe do some net research into hydroxytestosterone and see if you can find a half life.
 
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