FORMERON FAQ
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ahh123
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Yeah this sounds good since with hands much easier to reach shoulders and delts.
Yeah I did shake the bottle before I pumped gel out.
brundel
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It takes a pump of two to get the pump activated.
It does dry fast but I have always just pumped it onto my shoulder or pec then rubbed in with my wrist.
Really rub it in as well. Give it some friction so more forces into the skin. Not enough to rash the skin but enough that its not just drying there.
brundel
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Inner thighs are a great application site for sure.
brundel
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The tongkat is coming from us (Black Lion Research) directly. Its not being publicly sold it was sent out as a test to see how these guys liked it.
Its the best tongkat Ive ever come across though. The raw plant was imported from malaysia and a new extraction process was used.
Seeing how well it works we will almost certainly either sell it solo or in combination to make it more effective as a supplement.
Im not certain at what point Formeron will become suppressive. So far I have not seen it happen.
I dont think 3 pumps will do it.
Keep in mind a dose within normal range for formestane is 250mg so..3 pumps is under this.
It will likely take the 6-8 pump range.
brundel
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I'm also into paying more for a quality stuff - at least it won't be sold out most of the time lol.
Interesting what you say about lying on labels like no Tongkat 1:200 or no Forskolin 95% extract on the markets despite products claiming such extracts.
Maybe make normal version with tongkat, nettle, boron and bioperine and premium version with added forskolin then let the buyers decide which one they prefer?
This free T product could be sold in a stack with Formeron hmm just thinking out loud what you can talk next time with Nutraplanet reps
Youll just have to trust me on this....
There is so much BS in this industry its crazy.
brundel
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Also...Ive been working on a SERM for about a year now.
In testing it works about as good as Nolvadex/tamoxifen citrate.
Its natural, plant based and had a terrible oral bioavailability. So we encased it in cyclodextrins.
I have a half KG at work.
Im thinking this weekend Im gonna cap up a batch of this:
Tongkat
Nettle
Boron
the SERM
Bioperine if I have any left....if not Ill use capsacin or something for now.
This^^ will for sure increase test levels. The SERM alone will likely double your total T level. The boron in my personally increased free T to 608. The range goes to 125-150 I think so its HUGE.
Plus the nettle and the known increase in test and mood and libido from the Tongkat.
The SERM is pretty expensive...it might be a pricey supp but I know itll work well.
Of course we will run bloods to be sure.
THoughts?
In testing it works about as good as Nolvadex/tamoxifen citrate.
Its natural, plant based and had a terrible oral bioavailability. So we encased it in cyclodextrins.
I have a half KG at work.
Im thinking this weekend Im gonna cap up a batch of this:
Tongkat
Nettle
Boron
the SERM
Bioperine if I have any left....if not Ill use capsacin or something for now.
This^^ will for sure increase test levels. The SERM alone will likely double your total T level. The boron in my personally increased free T to 608. The range goes to 125-150 I think so its HUGE.
Plus the nettle and the known increase in test and mood and libido from the Tongkat.
The SERM is pretty expensive...it might be a pricey supp but I know itll work well.
Of course we will run bloods to be sure.
THoughts?
BigGame84
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BioForge also has a healthy dose of Shilajit.
bswanny
Member
Hoping you keep the serm as a seperate product. Being on trt I monitor my estrodial closely so am a little weary or using a serm on top of my other supports sups. Tongkat on the otherhand can work no matter what your goal is. Im almost hoping you release the tongkat as a single ingredient too as I like to control exactly what im taking at desired dosages. Excited to see what you come up with.
brundel
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Unfortunately there are no human studies with fadogia. In addition, in rodent studies there were signs of significant cytotoxicity.
So for these two reasons I dislike.
Lack of viable evidence in its favor coupled with evidence it may be harmful to you.
brundel
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The plan was to release the SERM as a Solo. Its pretty good stuff.
Test boosters are useless for guys on TRT so..
Still if it had tongkat and boron and nettle it would be worth taking on TRT as free T levels will skyrocket.A little bump up on the TRT dose plus those ingredients will = a seriously anabolic environment.
You do make a good point though and this is why I like talking to you guys about it.
kisaj
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The plan was to release the SERM as a Solo. Its pretty good stuff.
Test boosters are useless for guys on TRT so..
A little bump up on the TRT dose plus those ingredients will = a seriously anabolic environment.
You do make a good point though and this is why I like talking to you guys about it.
Yeah, i don't care about any total test boosters obviously, but I'd buy something with boron, nettle, and tongkat in it just because I take it anyway and it would be nice to have it all in one and know that it is the quality your company obviously cares about.
...really, I am just trying to get my hands on more of that Tongkat. LOL. I am loving this stuff.
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brundel said:
This sounds seriously bad ass. If its half as good as your saying. It would be a wonder supplement.
testosteronet
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Hey Brundel, have you ever seen or heard of any kind of prolactin increase or decrease with the use of form?
brundel
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I think its inactive with regards to Prolactin.
stankyleg
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And for the record, I'm almost 40yrs old. A strong libido is a thing o the past. This is good sh!t
brundel
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yah Im 39 as well. There is no question this stuff works.
Now its just a matter of tinkering with other ingredients to make a good product.
kisaj
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I am amazed and I don't get amazed by supplements very often anymore. I have got to be driving my wife nuts because she can't walk past me without me hugging up on her. LOL It's crazy.
horizons
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The mystery SERM ingredient would just make the product better!! Don't do it singularly, I think the synergy on all of it would be very effective.
You got all things covered
- free test and test
- estrogen control
- mood and libido etc etc
stankyleg
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I enjoy it. I have to be cautious with dosage because it'll give me the screaming meanies.
BigGame84
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What brand do you buy? Liftmode claims they sell 98% pure? Livelong claims they sell 40% pure.
stankyleg
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Vitacost. Cheap stuff.
ahh123
Active member
I tried 4 weeks Icariin 60% even went up to dose of 720mg of icariin which is equivalent of around 70mg of Viagra and not felt much libido or maybe light effect on erection.
Only real effect I've felt was better endurance during running - no effect on strength during weight lifting.
Overall my best experience so far has been with Tongkat Ali.
uubiduu
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It was an ingredient in the previous bioforge version which i didnt like that much
kisaj
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I will chime in and say that I have tried 5 brands of Tongkat available. Source Naturals, Indonesian Herbs, SD-200, and two others that were bulk. Of those, the only thing that came remotely close to what Brundel has is SD-200 and that is $60 for a months supply if you cycle it. That was the benchmark until I had this stuff. As far as Nettle, I have also tried a ton of brands and just keep coming back to NOW brand because they all seem the same and it is the most price effective.
stankyleg
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I hope you got something to screw, or a bottle of lotion.
xant
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Oh I see, well if you ever need another tester...
I used to take Formasurge at 4 pumps a day, it started giving me a horrible rash near the end so I quit. I had the craziest response to it while it wasn't chemically bombing my skin, but I never knew if 4 was too much to be running ED. I'm excited to try out your guys' carrier.
brundel
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I honestly have only used ours and a couple others. None of the others seemed to work as well as ours.
brundel
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Ive never actually taken it. I had a cardiac arrest a couple years ago so I have to avoid PDE5 inhibitors. I do know it works when you get a proper extract.
brundel
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Oh I see, well if you ever need another tester...
I used to take Formasurge at 4 pumps a day, it started giving me a horrible rash near the end so I quit. I had the craziest response to it while it wasn't chemically bombing my skin, but I never knew if 4 was too much to be running ED. I'm excited to try out your guys' carrier.
Yah Formasurge has a terrible carrier. Rashing was common.
Its going to be discontinued now so....
brundel
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Im trying to decide what mg per ingredient to put in the test caps.
I need to take a few things into consideration.
1. price per ingredient and how much it will ultimately cost per bottle.
2. Effect. I want to make sure that its in there in proper quantities. We dont hide behind proprietary blends. Who cares if you have every ingredient known to man in your product if its only 3mg per lol.
So..Per dose we probably need...
250mg min tongkat
500 nettle
200 SERM
10 Boron
I dont have any bioperine at work but Ill get some and maybe some other bioavailability enhancers.
At this dose^^ we can get away with 2 cap dosing.
Maybe 60-90 caps per bottle.
I need to take a few things into consideration.
1. price per ingredient and how much it will ultimately cost per bottle.
2. Effect. I want to make sure that its in there in proper quantities. We dont hide behind proprietary blends. Who cares if you have every ingredient known to man in your product if its only 3mg per lol.
So..Per dose we probably need...
250mg min tongkat
500 nettle
200 SERM
10 Boron
I dont have any bioperine at work but Ill get some and maybe some other bioavailability enhancers.
At this dose^^ we can get away with 2 cap dosing.
Maybe 60-90 caps per bottle.
bswanny
Member
See but by including the serm, wont that be forcing your customers to choose between either a serm or formeron? Where as if you just made it a free/total test product, you can market it as the perfect match with formeron. I just think formeron with a serm is too much estrogen control and thus making a choice of one or the other as oppose to both. Just my two cents. I know others are in love with serms for some reason.
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brundel said:
That sounds perfect to me. I might try out some of the tongkats you sent me along with ax trisorbagen since it contains bioperine and let you know what I think.
koi1214
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So what I noticed after my first dose.It seemed to give me a nice boost in energy but without the stim crassh. It also seemed to make my body hot as my back was all sweaty.Lol but that is what my girlfriend said. I definitely noticed a increase in heart rate and bp. I think I am going to dose it at 250 mgs twice a day.
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koi1214 said:
Wow that's a nice sized dose. I've been noticing revved up energy and increased libido at only 160mg a day. I may try upping it a little like the rest of you. But I can say this. My training sure HASN'T been suffering!
koi1214
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Looks solid to me. Wouldn't Naringin be a good bioavailability enhancer?
koi1214
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I agree with the training part with the nice energy boost you get.I think the 500mgs was a little to much as my bp skyrocketed.
koi1214
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Looks solid. Wouldn't Naringin be a good cost effective bioavailability enhancer to add?
Piston Honda
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Swap out the SERM for icariin or forskolin?
brundel
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A SERM binds to estro receptors and prevents its action. It does not lower estrogen.
Its use in the product is actually to increase test levels as most SERMS are very good for this. So, its not to control estro although it will help if issues arise.