FORMERON FAQ

BigGame84 said:
Oral Formestane, transdermal epiandrosterone, the Free-T product... There you go.
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Turns out epiandrosterone is 1 andro or/ 1dhea. Its SUPER expensive and needs to be run in the 1g range to be really effective.
It would cost too much to make a legit bottle dosed properly. This is a path I have already attempted to pursue but cost was WAY to high.
I honestly question the legitimacy of any supp with it as the primary ingredient just due to cost alone.
 
kisaj said:
Got my Tongkat today. I will say right off the bat that I am pleased to see it the dark brown color that I have attributed better quality from in the past. Anytime I get the light beige color, it is never as good.
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It really is good stuff. Let me know what you think after eating it. :)
 
xant said:
Do you have studies negating the ones already done on DAA and Arimistane? I may not have bloods to prove it, but I know from many personal experiences that they are at least touching my testosterone and estrogen levels. However, if you actually think that Arimistane and Formestane won't have any detrimental interactions (i.e. estrogen being taken too low.) then I may add in the Formeron as soon as my shipment comes in.


Edit... Just checked, there are neither studies done confirming or denying the claimed effects of Arimistane outside of in vitro usage. There are an abundance of reviews for and against its effectiveness as well. Logically, I am led to believe that it affects certain people in different ways. It may all be placebo, though I don't see how it could remain on the market this long if that were the case.
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There is only one study I believe on DAA and I think 0 on NMDA.
There are 0 on arimistane either.
We did, however, run internal testing with bloodwork and neither worked.
 
brundel said:
It really is good stuff. Let me know what you think after eating it. :)
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Yeah, this is the real deal for sure. I capped two 250mg caps and took them about an hour ago. The slight buzzyness behind the eyes, increased heart rate, and nice mental energy are all there.

I'll update once I feel it wearing down.
 
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kisaj said:
Yeah, this is the real deal for sure. I capped two 250mg caps and took them about an hour ago. The slight buzzyness behind the eyes, increased heart rate, and nice mental energy are all there.

I'll update once I feel it wearing down.
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OMG haha. 500mg!!!
I can only take like 75-100mg lol.
I take 75-100mg and I can definitely feel it.
 
I got the tongkat. I got it capped. I ended up with 36 caps at just over 275mg per cap. Should I do 2 caps a day, or just one?
 
stankyleg said:
I got the tongkat. I got it capped. I ended up with 36 caps at just over 275mg per cap. Should I do 2 caps a day, or just one?
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Start with 1 and assess how you feel.
If its tolerable try 2.
I wouldnt go over 2 daily.
 
brundel said:
OMG haha. 500mg!!!
I can only take like 75-100mg lol.
I take 75-100mg and I can definitely feel it.
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yeah man, I am sweating this out while I make some dinner for the kids. I am flying.

Update 1.5 hours later- K, I am all settled in and feel nice. I almost feel a little stoned with a relaxed body, but mentally energized. I will say that without a doubt, this is the best I have tried and at half the dose. Most all companies have 800-1200mg recommendations on their bottles.

Tomorrow I am going to split the 500 with one 250 in the AM and one mid afternoon. 4 on 3 off cycle.
 
kisaj said:
yeah man, I am sweating this out while I make some dinner for the kids. I am flying.

Update 1.5 hours later- K, I am all settled in and feel nice. I almost feel a little stoned with a relaxed body, but mentally energized. I will say that without a doubt, this is the best I have tried and at half the dose. Most all companies have 800-1200mg recommendations on their bottles.

Tomorrow I am going to split the 500 with one 250 in the AM and one mid afternoon. 4 on 3 off cycle.
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Awesome. I knew it was good as Ive taken it but I wanted to get real world testing.
Ive never taken more than 150mg. Stuff makes my heart race :).
For sure though...you know this stuff is working.
 
I also can get the best forskolin around. We use it in our fat burner. Its super good stuff but exceptionally expensive. Like 1000$ a kg for 40%.
I know forskolin increases test levels. Might be a good combo.
Tongkat
Forskolin
nettle
Boron.
 
This is what sabinsa offers on their site

ForsLean®-(Coleus forskohlii) (3)
Standardized Extract 10% Forskolin
20% Forskolin
40% Forskolin Sports nutrition,
Weight management
 
brundel said:
I also can get the best forskolin around. We use it in our fat burner. Its super good stuff but exceptionally expensive. Like 1000$ a kg for 40%.
I know forskolin increases test levels. Might be a good combo.
Tongkat
Forskolin
nettle
Boron.
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That sounds like an awesome potential combo.
 
Have you ever considered just a real transdermal magnesium product. I would buy it just as health supplement.
 
Ideally we want to steer away from transdermals.
So many things are good transdermally and we have an amazing carrier....so many options :)
 
brundel said:
Awesome. I knew it was good as Ive taken it but I wanted to get real world testing.
Ive never taken more than 150mg. Stuff makes my heart race :).
For sure though...you know this stuff is working.
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What's the extract ratio for this Tongkat Ali - 1:100 or 1:200?

So far best tongkat I've taken is from tongkatfitness that also ships domestically to US, Canada, EU and Australia and it's a Swiss based company that runs entire operation and even provide a COA for every batch they sell.

One day I took 3 caps in a day at each cap having 300mg of Tongkat 1:200 (1 cap am & 2 caps pm) and definitely felt wired, increased heart rate and burst of energy and sweating so that was too much but 1 cap a day or 1am & 1pm was sweet spot for me and balls were tingling which almost no other product had such effect on my balls except original Endusurge which used looks like good stinging nettle and mucuna sources.
 
BigGame84 said:
Just went to the Tongkat fitness website. $90 a bottle? Yikes.
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Yes but that's for 120 caps - at 1 or max 2 caps a day with 5days on/2 days off 1 bottle last you 12 weeks or 3 months then cost is $30/month which is amazing price for quality Tongkat Ali.

Some men have no problem spending $200/night when they go out so $30/month shouldn't be a problem.

At the end it's all relative.
 
Yeah boiiii !!! Just looked in my mailbox this morning and guess what I found.

Thanks brundel.
 
ahh123 said:
What's the extract ratio for this Tongkat Ali - 1:100 or 1:200?

So far best tongkat I've taken is from tongkatfitness that also ships domestically to US, Canada, EU and Australia and it's a Swiss based company that runs entire operation and even provide a COA for every batch they sell.

One day I took 3 caps in a day at each cap having 300mg of Tongkat 1:200 (1 cap am & 2 caps pm) and definitely felt wired, increased heart rate and burst of energy and sweating so that was too much but 1 cap a day or 1am & 1pm was sweet spot for me and balls were tingling which almost no other product had such effect on my balls except original Endusurge which used looks like good stinging nettle and mucuna sources.
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As far as I know there are no actual 200:1 extracts. Probably not even 100:1.
Its all a marketing scam. Everyone thinks this is what you need to have so sellers just label it as such.
Also..a 4 year old can photoshop a COA. Unless you personally obtained it from a chemical tester its pretty much non admissible.

Im not saying their product isnt good. I have no idea.
I do believe they are lying to you though.....at the very least.
 
BigGame84 said:
Just went to the Tongkat fitness website. $90 a bottle? Yikes.
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Yah..real tongkat is expensive. Its claim to be 200:1 is dubious at best.
None the less I can promise we could deliver a product with the current extract we have and include other ingredients at full doses ( no prop blends) and keep the price well under that 90$. Probably half or less.
 
BigGame84 said:
So what's a good Tongkat to buy from your experience? Source Naturals?
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Source naturals is a good company in my experience. Ive taken many of their products with good result.
They are very expensive though and I believe their tongkat is 81mg x 60 for 23$. ALso they are tablets. Heat pressing some compounds can degrade the chems inside. With Tongkat the best extractions are cold water if I remember correctly so Im not sure if heat pressing compromises the quality.

EIther way...ours is comparable or better than anything currently on the market.
 
Was going to pick up some Boron and Tongkat but I'll just wait for this new BLR product to come out. Hopefully it won't be too long.
 
I think itll be a hit.

Tongkat,- expensive but worth it.

Nettle- cheap

Boron- not exactly cheap but it works so well I think its worth it.

Forkolin- 40% cost me 1000$ per kg. Is it worth it? It would cost 5.50 per bottle just for the powder to make 60mg per cap =25mg forskolin. Probably not gonna happen because of the price. THere is then caps,actual bottles, label manufacturing...it would be like 8$ just for the forskolin.

Maybe bioperine-cheap.

Ill keep looking at ingedients on our "positive" list.

I want to be able to keep the price reasonable.
 
brundel said:
I think itll be a hit.

Tongkat,- expensive but worth it.

Nettle- cheap

Boron- not exactly cheap but it works so well I think its worth it.

Forkolin- 40% cost me 1000$ per kg. Is it worth it? It would cost 5.50 per bottle just for the powder to make 60mg per cap =25mg forskolin. Probably not gonna happen because of the price. THere is then caps,actual bottles, label manufacturing...it would be like 8$ just for the forskolin.

Maybe bioperine-cheap.

Ill keep looking at ingedients on our "positive" list.

I want to be able to keep the price reasonable.
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I'm really with you on keeping the price reasonable. But at the same time I think the vast majority of us are willing to pay a little extra for quality. I'm really liking the sound of the ingredient profile. I would love to see forskolin in the product. But understand if it's not feasible.


Also just a quick update. I took 160mg cap of tongkats this morning along with a little borax. And man I've been buzzing! Been wide awake and alert. I couldn't imagine noticing something so fast. I also had a great front squat workout :D
 
Isn't borax an industrial cleaner? Hopefully you took Boron!
 
Yah the tongkat is very good. I took 100mg with half a prolactrone and I swear im high from it.
 
Piston Honda said:
Isn't borax an industrial cleaner? Hopefully you took Boron!
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Lol thanks honda I appreciate the concern. But like Brundel said borax is just sodium tetraborate aka boron. .
It's about as toxic as baking soda is to give you an idea.
 
flightposite said:
Lol thanks honda I appreciate the concern. But like Brundel said borax is just sodium tetraborate aka boron. . It's about as toxic as baking soda is to give you an idea.
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Whew! Lol
 
flightposite said:
I'm really with you on keeping the price reasonable. But at the same time I think the vast majority of us are willing to pay a little extra for quality. I'm really liking the sound of the ingredient profile. I would love to see forskolin in the product. But understand if it's not feasible.


Also just a quick update. I took 160mg cap of tongkats this morning along with a little borax. And man I've been buzzing! Been wide awake and alert. I couldn't imagine noticing something so fast. I also had a great front squat workout :D
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I thought tongkat was a test booster?
So it causes energy and a buzz?
 
horizons said:
I thought tongkat was a test booster?
So it causes energy and a buzz?
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Your right. It is a test booster. But its also been shown to improve mood, energy levels, libido ect.
 
flightposite said:
Your right. It is a test booster. But its also been shown to improve mood, energy levels, libido ect.
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And when I say buzz. Just to be clear I'm talking subtle natural more alert feel. Not a caffein buzz like most people think of.
 
horizons said:
I thought tongkat was a test booster?
So it causes energy and a buzz?
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It has alot of properties.
Libido
test elevation
Stimulant
Mood
some other interesting sexual sides when standardized for specific chemicals.
 
For me, I like the mood and energy enhancement. It makes you feel good, alert and mentally active- like I want to strike up conversations. Plus, the buzz is different...almost a little high. Put it all together and it is easy to see why people could look at it as a libido supplement.

I liked splitting up the 250 today. It kept me feeling great all day and I didn't have a racing heart.
 
500 is WAY too much for me.
I did 100 plus Prolactrone and was def buzzing. Still feel pretty good and its been all day.
 
brundel said:
500 is WAY too much for me. I did 100 plus Prolactrone and was def buzzing. Still feel pretty good and its been all day.
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I looked up l dopa and I've taken mucuna various times but I take lexapro. I looked up lexapro and l dopa on drugs.com for drug interactions and there was none. I keep hearing about antidepressants raising prolactin and I'm starting to worry. Should I ask a doctor if lexapro is ok to take with l dopa or do you think drugs.com is a good enough reference point?
 
JD261985 said:
I looked up l dopa and I've taken mucuna various times but I take lexapro. I looked up lexapro and l dopa on drugs.com for drug interactions and there was none. I keep hearing about antidepressants raising prolactin and I'm starting to worry. Should I ask a doctor if lexapro is ok to take with l dopa or do you think drugs.com is a good enough reference point?
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There are quite a few mild interactions with Ldopa and a few severe. Im not sure about lexapro but if your concerned just ask the doc. Thats what they are for.
You can also research if lexapro elevates prolactin.
Ldopa will lower prolactin and elevate dopamine.
It can be pretty nasty if you get too much peripheral metabolism so we include EGCG as a decarboxylase inhibitor to prevent this.
Prolactrone has macuna standardized for 99% ldopa + EGCG.
Good stuff.
 
brundel said:
I think itll be a hit.

Tongkat,- expensive but worth it.

Nettle- cheap

Boron- not exactly cheap but it works so well I think its worth it.

Forkolin- 40% cost me 1000$ per kg. Is it worth it? It would cost 5.50 per bottle just for the powder to make 60mg per cap =25mg forskolin. Probably not gonna happen because of the price. THere is then caps,actual bottles, label manufacturing...it would be like 8$ just for the forskolin.

Maybe bioperine-cheap.

Ill keep looking at ingedients on our "positive" list.

I want to be able to keep the price reasonable.
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I'm also into paying more for a quality stuff - at least it won't be sold out most of the time lol.

Interesting what you say about lying on labels like no Tongkat 1:200 or no Forskolin 95% extract on the markets despite products claiming such extracts.

Maybe make normal version with tongkat, nettle, boron and bioperine and premium version with added forskolin then let the buyers decide which one they prefer?

This free T product could be sold in a stack with Formeron hmm just thinking out loud what you can talk next time with Nutraplanet reps :)
 
ahh123 said:
I'm also into paying more for a quality stuff - at least it won't be sold out most of the time lol.

Interesting what you say about lying on labels like no Tongkat 1:200 or no Forskolin 95% extract on the markets despite products claiming such extracts.

Maybe make normal version with tongkat, nettle, boron and bioperine and premium version with added forskolin then let the buyers decide which one they prefer?

This free T product could be sold in a stack with Formeron hmm just thinking out loud what you can talk next time with Nutraplanet reps :)
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Agreed with this. I think if the product actually works and does well, I think you'll be very surprised how willing we all would be to fork out expensive prices for it.
 
Well as a surprise got my 1st bottle of Formeron today which I expected to get on Monday so took a shower after my daily walk and applied 1 pump.

Maybe just got half a pump out cause I pushed the pump half way down and just air coming out so I released pump to go all the way back then tried again to get 1 pump out and at around half a pump gel started to come out so I might just got half a pump as my 1st dose.

Yeah I noticed crystals on my skin in 1st minute of applying - this stuff dries out (10-20sec and it's dry), faster than I can apply from 2nd wrist to chest so not even time to rub around the chest since already dry.

Do you recommend applying gel out of a bottle directly on chest then start to rub with wrist cause if 1st getting gel on 1 wrist then trying to put half of gel to 2nd wrist and rubbing half a gel from 1st wrist to one part of the chest - by the time to start rubbing 2nd half of gel from 2nd wrist the gel is almost dried on the wrist?
 
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