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brundel said:
Soon we will likely add DAA and NMDA to the list of bunk supps.
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Have to say from most top praised OTC test boosters I didn't get effect or effect only lasted 3-5 days then going back to the baseline.

Haven't found the one that you could take for like 4 weeks and feel the boost in libido and erection every time you'd take it.

Not to even go into crappy claims with bulbine supplements and 347% increase in testosterone - one of biggest scams. If this would really work then no guy would go on TRT if enough just such natty product.
 
The last tests we are gonna run with it have shipped out.

Thankfully we have more trustworthy backups. NMDA is just so cheap as is arimistane I so wanted them to work.
Anyways I have some other things at the shop Im gonna cap up and we will test.

In addition...I think we have stumbled upon 2 plants with anabolic properties. Im gonna study more and then order some samples.
Ill keep you guys posted, perhaps we can test them publicly.
 
ahh123 said:
Have to say from most top praised OTC test boosters I didn't get effect or effect only lasted 3-5 days then going back to the baseline.

Haven't found the one that you could take for like 4 weeks and feel the boost in libido and erection every time you'd take it.

Not to even go into crappy claims with bulbine supplements and 347% increase in testosterone - one of biggest scams. If this would really work then no guy would go on TRT if enough just such natty product.
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Yah...its a scam. Also many of the studies you read online are faked so that companies can sell their products.
It sucks because people trust supplement companies to bring them viable supplements when ...for the most part....they fail to do so.
 
brundel said:
Yah...its a scam. Also many of the studies you read online are faked so that companies can sell their products.
It sucks because people trust supplement companies to bring them viable supplements when ...for the most part....they fail to do so.
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You know it is really sucks because you just described about 90% of the companies out there.
 
From p6 I got a lil strength major libido and a lot of muscle fullness.. Not sure if it actually raise test but it does something for sure.. Not worth 100 bucks though
 
I feel incredibly informed and knowledgeable about sports supplementation and nutrition in general, but it took me years and a lot of money/lab work and trial and error to find out that I wasted thousands of dollars to get here. It sucks, but it is nice to see people around here (moreso than on other boards) getting informed and not going in with blinders like they used to. Of course, there will always be the next crop of guys looking for an edge that will keep these companies in business- much like I did when the old schoolers tried to teach me.
 
Hey also there's a tbooster called colossal labs testofreak it like 19.99 haven't tried it yet but a guy at the gym swears buy it. It has tongkat in it.. I may grab one since it's cheap.
 
What is he swearing by? I look at the ingredient profile and the mg per serving and it is low for any of those ingredients in a standalone, let alone a blend. Not saying don't try it, just saying that it looks like any of the other blends out there taking our money with lots of ingredients.
 
brundel said:
The last tests we are gonna run with it have shipped out. Thankfully we have more trustworthy backups. NMDA is just so cheap as is arimistane I so wanted them to work. Anyways I have some other things at the shop Im gonna cap up and we will test. In addition...I think we have stumbled upon 2 plants with anabolic properties. Im gonna study more and then order some samples. Ill keep you guys posted, perhaps we can test them publicly.
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patiently waiting
 
That's how much I usually see it for. Luckily it was giving to me. But that's ridiculous for that. Get 3 bottles of formeron for that price lol
 
Cellucor... not a fan of the company.
 
brundel said:
The last tests we are gonna run with it have shipped out.

Thankfully we have more trustworthy backups. NMDA is just so cheap as is arimistane I so wanted them to work.
Anyways I have some other things at the shop Im gonna cap up and we will test.

In addition...I think we have stumbled upon 2 plants with anabolic properties. Im gonna study more and then order some samples.
Ill keep you guys posted, perhaps we can test them publicly.
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You always keep me anticipating, Brundel.
 
tyga tyga said:
Really? There COR bcaas, are the only bcaas I drink. Haven't tried there protein, but I heard it's excellent...
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Their protein is definitely top of the line. Their Cinnamon Swirl and COR-fetti cake batter are phenomenal.

C4, their BCAA's, and their proteins are definitely worth consideration.
 
brundel said:
The last tests we are gonna run with it have shipped out.

Thankfully we have more trustworthy backups. NMDA is just so cheap as is arimistane I so wanted them to work.
Anyways I have some other things at the shop Im gonna cap up and we will test.

In addition...I think we have stumbled upon 2 plants with anabolic properties. Im gonna study more and then order some samples.
Ill keep you guys posted, perhaps we can test them publicly.
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Really looking forward to your findings brundel. In particular the nmda. Is this ingredient in your free T product?
 
Rarchib said:
You always keep me anticipating, Brundel.
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The suspense is far worse for me lol....I want to release some new products but all the ingredients we try fail to deliver. I have like 30kg of random chems and herbals (we have already tested) that I may as well make a pillow with or use it to insulate my walls because its not gonna do anything positive in a supplement :)

The test boosters I just sent out went to guys in this thread. This will be the last test with DAA /NMDA. Unless something magical happens to them Im gonna reformulate. I am getting some good feedback on this tongkat we have so....well see how it goes.
 
flightposite said:
Really looking forward to your findings brundel. In particular the nmda. Is this ingredient in your free T product?
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No but its in the recent version of the test booster and I sent a 30 day supply to two of the tongkat testers so well see how they like it.
Free T would likely just be Boron and a high grade nettle. Really thats all we need. I have seen bloods with both those working so..together they will shine.

Maybe we should do tongkat,boron,nettle, a light AI or SERM.
 
tyga tyga said:
Really? There COR bcaas, are the only bcaas I drink. Haven't tried there protein, but I heard it's excellent...
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Oh yeah their stuff tastes great, don't get me wrong. It's all over priced IMO. I met one of their head guys boasting on how their p6 was the best test booster out there and one ingredient imitated hcg. Then saying before p6 black was out that it was going to be even stronger than anything that's ever been out. Told him in a nice way he was full of it. He said he'd post blood results one day on their website... right.
Gnc kids sell it cuz it's the only p3 that's not a Gnc product and the PM on the highest capped p6 is insane. Just rubbed me the wrong way.
 
brundel said:
No but its in the recent version of the test booster and I sent a 30 day supply to two of the tongkat testers so well see how they like it.
Free T would likely just be Boron and a high grade nettle. Really thats all we need. I have seen bloods with both those working so..together they will shine.

Maybe we should do tongkat,boron,nettle, a light AI or SERM.
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Yeah I'd advise you to remove DAA/NDMA since many like me get diarrhea plus now even you see it that it doesn't raise test plus even raise prolactin and estrogen so better the ones that swear by it just keep buying bulk DAA.

Now when ever I see a DAA containing product I'm not interested in trying no matter the hype around it.

As I said so far the best stuff that worked for me was anything that raises free test - so far just tested SHBG inhibitors like Tongkat and divanil which worked OK so here we both agree on.

Boron I'm curious never tried it on it's own - had once a multivitamin caps that contained in daily dose around 1 mg of boron and had nice effect on morning wood and mood just it had 80 other substances inside so not knowing what exactly worked.

Last summer I did stack of Tongkat + Endosurge + Erase Pro and this was working great for 2 weeks that i was testing.

Summary - yeah agree with your thinking to make a natty test product with Tongkat, divanil, boron and maybe 25mg of arimistane as a light AI.

But don't go crazy and add too much AI like Alphamax I see has 75mg of arimistane - that would be too much for most (which is another thing like DAA), that makes me not want to buy such product.

Or maybe not add any AI since Formeron works so great.
 
ahh123 said:
Yeah I'd advise you to remove DAA/NDMA since many like me get diarrhea plus now even you see it that it doesn't raise test plus even raise prolactin and estrogen so better the ones that swear by it just keep buying bulk DAA.

Now when ever I see a DAA containing product I'm not interested in trying no matter the hype around it.

As I said so far the best stuff that worked for me was anything that raises free test - so far just tested SHBG inhibitors like Tongkat and divanil which worked OK so here we both agree on.

Boron I'm curious never tried it on it's own - had once a multivitamin caps that contained in daily dose around 1 mg of boron and had nice effect on morning wood and mood just it had 80 other substances inside so not knowing what exactly worked.

Last summer I did stack of Tongkat + Endosurge + Erase Pro and this was working great for 2 weeks that i was testing.

Summary - yeah agree with your thinking to make a natty test product with Tongkat, divanil, boron and maybe 25mg of arimistane as a light AI.

But don't go crazy and add too much AI like Alphamax I see has 75mg of arimistane - that would be too much for most (which is another thing like DAA), that makes me not want to buy such product.

Or maybe not add any AI since Formeron works so great.
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DAA is useless. But so is arimistane.

If brundel can source a really high quality divanil, boron and tongkat then that is pretty set.

If needed or anything extra maybe some NMDA.

Or hey, for a AI, some oral formestane as well ;)
 
Lhns2 said:
Oh yeah their stuff tastes great, don't get me wrong. It's all over priced IMO. I met one of their head guys boasting on how their p6 was the best test booster out there and one ingredient imitated hcg. Then saying before p6 black was out that it was going to be even stronger than anything that's ever been out. Told him in a nice way he was full of it. He said he'd post blood results one day on their website... right. Gnc kids sell it cuz it's the only p3 that's not a Gnc product and the PM on the highest capped p6 is insane. Just rubbed me the wrong way.
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Understand.

And it's definitely overpriced in retail settings (such as GNC). Online there more reasonable. Either way, I can see why you has a distaste for them.
 
brundel said:
Ill let you in on a secret....you know how everyone sells nettle root...standardized for divanil....Well there is no divanil in nettle root. None, nada 0.
Im 100% certain.
Divanil is a METABOLITE of nettle root. This means your body makes it. Like a prohormone.
So...everyone out there buying nettle standardized for divanil is being scammed. THe companies that sell that stuff are either ignorant or lies to you and capitalizes on people not knowing otherwise. Either way....steer clear of it.

Im not saying nettle root is bad...Im saying nettle root has no divanil. Period.

I have a batch of tongkat we imported ourselves and had specially extracted for us. Its good stuff but we need more time to test it.
Honestly I wasnt looking at it for test boosting but another property of a specific compound within the plant.

I take boron all the time. Best supplement in my med cabinet.
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I thought divanil and nettle root don't work?
 
I am sure Brundel has his studies to back his info on Divanil and nettle root. I have yet to find anything on that though- all the PubMed and other info I found says that it does include 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran compounds, along with +)-neoolivil, (-)-secoisolariciresinol, dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol, isolariciresinol, and pinoresinol. I like nettle for the prostate benefits because there is no question how well it works for me and the docs that did my dad's prostate cancer surgery all recommended it. Good enough for me.
 
Currently on PCT from epistane. I'm running Clomid, DAA and AD-3 (75mg Arimistane and L-Dopa from velvet bean) and I've got a bottle of Formeron on the way. Should I wait until my AD-3 runs out, as both AD-3 and Formeron contain suicide inhibitors or would I be fine stacking them? Right now I'm thinking about holding off and starting to take Formeron at the tail end of the bottle, bridging my PCT into a more subtle transition.
 
JD261985 said:
Gonna get my hands on some prolactrone soon. I want to compare it to SNS inhibit P
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There isnt a comparison.....here is why.

INhibit p is 90mg ldopa,300mg agnus castus and 50mg p5p.
First p6p/b6/pyridoxine has an interaction with Ldopa. Even 10mg increases peripheral metabolism. This in turn prevents it from becoming dopamine within the brain which is the only way it can lower prolactin so...50mg p5p being several times stronger than pyridoxine is like taking 150-300mg b6/pyridoxine. This is MORE than enough to completely prevent the Ldopa from working to lower prolactin.
THey then say b6 lowers prolactin but it takes 600+ mg daily which isnt in there.
Then there is agnus castus which has been shown in some studies to lower prolactin but elevate it in others.

Its a lose lose lose.

By all means...try one then the other. :)
We ran blood work on ours to prove it worked and several other people have run bloods and posted them on the net.
You cant do this with inhibit P because it wont work.
 
ahh123 said:
Yeah I'd advise you to remove DAA/NDMA since many like me get diarrhea plus now even you see it that it doesn't raise test plus even raise prolactin and estrogen so better the ones that swear by it just keep buying bulk DAA.

Now when ever I see a DAA containing product I'm not interested in trying no matter the hype around it.

As I said so far the best stuff that worked for me was anything that raises free test - so far just tested SHBG inhibitors like Tongkat and divanil which worked OK so here we both agree on.

Boron I'm curious never tried it on it's own - had once a multivitamin caps that contained in daily dose around 1 mg of boron and had nice effect on morning wood and mood just it had 80 other substances inside so not knowing what exactly worked.

Last summer I did stack of Tongkat + Endosurge + Erase Pro and this was working great for 2 weeks that i was testing.

Summary - yeah agree with your thinking to make a natty test product with Tongkat, divanil, boron and maybe 25mg of arimistane as a light AI.

But don't go crazy and add too much AI like Alphamax I see has 75mg of arimistane - that would be too much for most (which is another thing like DAA), that makes me not want to buy such product.

Or maybe not add any AI since Formeron works so great.
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An interesting piece of info....There is NO divanil in nettle root. Or anywhere existing in a plant that I am aware of.
I know of more than one reputable chemist who tested extensively and it was nowhere to be found. Of course this is commonplace in the supp industry.

Divanil is a METABOLITE of nettle root so...its produced by the intestines or by the liver, Im unsure the mechanism but I know 100% its not naturally present.

This means every company who sells you something saying standardized for XXX% divanil is lying to you. Period.
 
BigGame84 said:
Oral formestane would most likely be useless.
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You would be surprised. This is the common belief but here is why....All the companies who introduced oral form were scam artists.
12-25mg per dose. Obviously this isnt gonna work but people bought it and thought well...form doesnt work orally.
THe truth is, in my experience, its significantly better orally than transdermally.
But you need to take alot.
200mg a day is super good. 300-400 is incredible. 500 is like winstrol....from personal experience/.
 
koi1214 said:
I thought divanil and nettle root don't work?
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Nettle works great if its processed properly. A good extract.
Divanil is not present in nettle so its a moot point. THere is not now, nor has there ever been divanil sold in the supplement industry.
It can be created in a lab or in your body but its not a naturally occurring compound in nettle.
Something in nettle, becomes divanil after ingestion. So there is no standardized extracts like everyone claims. Its impossible.

I like nettle root. I think Boron is superior though.
 
kisaj said:
I am sure Brundel has his studies to back his info on Divanil and nettle root. I have yet to find anything on that though- all the PubMed and other info I found says that it does include 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran compounds, along with +)-neoolivil, (-)-secoisolariciresinol, dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol, isolariciresinol, and pinoresinol. I like nettle for the prostate benefits because there is no question how well it works for me and the docs that did my dad's prostate cancer surgery all recommended it. Good enough for me.
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THere is a study I am aware of that states divanil is found in nettle.
Most that study divanil directly indicate it was obtained from a lab NOT from a plant.
Also its important to remember...tons of these studies are faked. The primary producers of Nettle root for example will pay to have a study done and grease the palms of the people doing the studies so it indicates what they want it too. This happens more than you may want to think....This is part of the reason we have so many **** plants and chems that dont work being stuffed into caps and sold to you guys. Or a company will find 1 study...done on chipmunks or something and from that decide it must work properly in all humans. This is horrible logic and obviously doesnt often work.

My direct knowledge is derived from two well known industry giants who extensively tested nettle and found no divanil. One of these guys I know very well and trust 100%. If he says they didnt find it its not there.
 
xant said:
Currently on PCT from epistane. I'm running Clomid, DAA and AD-3 (75mg Arimistane and L-Dopa from velvet bean) and I've got a bottle of Formeron on the way. Should I wait until my AD-3 runs out, as both AD-3 and Formeron contain suicide inhibitors or would I be fine stacking them? Right now I'm thinking about holding off and starting to take Formeron at the tail end of the bottle, bridging my PCT into a more subtle transition.
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Unfortunately only the Clomid is likely doing anything as it appears both DAA and arimistane are useless. Ldopa will mildly elevate test levels (in studies) but Im not sure how well it works in the real world. CLomid I know works well but it will not leave you in a favorable condition post PCT.
I would add the Formeron in for the last 2 weeks of PCT. THis way when you stop PCT estro is low and test is high. They will normalize into reference range hopefully.
 
xant said:
Currently on PCT from epistane. I'm running Clomid, DAA and AD-3 (75mg Arimistane and L-Dopa from velvet bean) and I've got a bottle of Formeron on the way. Should I wait until my AD-3 runs out, as both AD-3 and Formeron contain suicide inhibitors or would I be fine stacking them? Right now I'm thinking about holding off and starting to take Formeron at the tail end of the bottle, bridging my PCT into a more subtle transition.
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Unfortunately only the Clomid is likely doing anything as it appears both DAA and arimistane are useless. Ldopa will mildly elevate test levels (in studies) but Im not sure how well it works in the real world. CLomid I know works well but it will not leave you in a favorable condition post PCT.
I would add the Formeron in for the last 2 weeks of PCT. THis way when you stop PCT estro is low and test is high. They will normalize into reference range hopefully.
 
BigGame84 said:
Nutraplanet has a product called Divanex. It's currently on sale now.
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I know....and MANY companies sell it. Part of the problem is the guys developing the products dont know any better.
They just buy whatever the Chinese suppliers say is good or they read is the hot ingredients online.
0 real research is done.
 
Cjg said:
Oral formestane!! Oral formestane! Oral formestane! Anyone second that motion?? Lol
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No way. As I've said, I love the smell, the ease of application, the consistency, and the quick response. I'd be begging for transdermal.
 
Therin lies the problem.
Everyone loves Formeron. I have almost made an oral version several times but because formeron works so well Id rather leave it alone. Why fix whats not broken.
Just for an fyi. I have a buddy who won his ifbb pro card recently. He was taking formestane caps i made him. 100mg twice a day. And he was on approx 3000mg mixed aas. Dry as a bone. It def works orally.
 
There was a product produced years back called formex. It worked well. They discontinued it though for some reason. I believe it was do to legality and it being modified
 
horizons said:
DAA is useless. But so is arimistane.

If brundel can source a really high quality divanil, boron and tongkat then that is pretty set.

If needed or anything extra maybe some NMDA.

Or hey, for a AI, some oral formestane as well ;)
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I think even oral formestane combined with the above ingredients could have some real synergy

It may not need to be dosed too high with all the other legit ingredients :)
 
brundel said:
Therin lies the problem.
Everyone loves Formeron. I have almost made an oral version several times but because formeron works so well Id rather leave it alone. Why fix whats not broken.
Just for an fyi. I have a buddy who won his ifbb pro card recently. He was taking formestane caps i made him. 100mg twice a day. And he was on approx 3000mg mixed aas. Dry as a bone. It def works orally.
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I would def buy capsules as I know it takes alot for a transdermal (formeron,androgel)to work for me as I have thicker skin. I know im the minority though. First time though I heard an oral version works. Always read it was ineffective as an oral. Good info
 
I will buy some oral formestane. I'm always on the go and can put my pill in my pocket so I don't miss a dose vs. carrying the pump bottle.
 
Got my Tongkat today. I will say right off the bat that I am pleased to see it the dark brown color that I have attributed better quality from in the past. Anytime I get the light beige color, it is never as good.
 
brundel said:
Unfortunately only the Clomid is likely doing anything as it appears both DAA and arimistane are useless. Ldopa will mildly elevate test levels (in studies) but Im not sure how well it works in the real world. CLomid I know works well but it will not leave you in a favorable condition post PCT.
I would add the Formeron in for the last 2 weeks of PCT. THis way when you stop PCT estro is low and test is high. They will normalize into reference range hopefully.
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Do you have studies negating the ones already done on DAA and Arimistane? I may not have bloods to prove it, but I know from many personal experiences that they are at least touching my testosterone and estrogen levels. However, if you actually think that Arimistane and Formestane won't have any detrimental interactions (i.e. estrogen being taken too low.) then I may add in the Formeron as soon as my shipment comes in.


Edit... Just checked, there are neither studies done confirming or denying the claimed effects of Arimistane outside of in vitro usage. There are an abundance of reviews for and against its effectiveness as well. Logically, I am led to believe that it affects certain people in different ways. It may all be placebo, though I don't see how it could remain on the market this long if that were the case.
 
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