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Not just yet.
We are testing some newer carriers to see what absorption rates are like. Wont be long now.
 

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Has anyone used Formeron as an only ai on a test cycle of around 500mg/week and kept e2 in check, and if you did, what was the dosage? I think applying anything over 4ml per day becomes a little bit of nuisance and unless it is spread over several times a day, it leads to a lot of the product being wasted.

I have read and read and basically what I am getting is that people are saying that you need a stronger ai. But Formeron, just like exemestane, is a suicidal ai and therefore, very interesting.
 
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Has anyone used Formeron as an only ai on a test cycle of around 500mg/week and kept e2 in check, and if you did, what was the dosage? I think applying anything over 4ml per day becomes a little bit of nuisance and unless it is spread over several times a day, it leads to a lot of the product being wasted.

I have read and read and basically what I am getting is that people are saying that you need a stronger ai. But Formeron, just like exemestane, is a suicidal ai and therefore, very interesting.
I did it worked well... I wanna say 75mg/day but I'm not certain on that. It was blr formeron too which was top notch.
 
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Right.... Promises promises
 

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Well if the reason for the delay is more thorough testing and better carrier, it will be worth it in the end.
 
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We are testing a few new carriers to see if we can get the formestane a bit more dissolved.
Formestane doesnt dissolve in anything skin friendly so its quite a challenge. Worst case we will use the carrier we used before which worked well.
Either way we are aiming for this summer launch.
 
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We are testing a few new carriers to see if we can get the formestane a bit more dissolved.
Formestane doesnt dissolve in anything skin friendly so its quite a challenge. Worst case we will use the carrier we used before which worked well.
Either way we are aiming for this summer launch.
If it ain't broke.....
 

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Not trying to be rude and give props to competition as this is black lion's research subforum, but I remember back int the day there was this transdermal formestane product which came at 25 mg/ml (also 120 servings) and some of the guys who tried it rated it as the best formestane product to date. Maybe guys from black lion research should look into that carrier?
 
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Not trying to be rude and give props to competition as this is black lion's research subforum, but I remember back int the day there was this transdermal formestane product which came at 25 mg/ml (also 120 servings) and some of the guys who tried it rated it as the best formestane product to date. Maybe guys from black lion research should look into that carrier?
Funny.
 

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I would be all for the old carrier as one of the things I liked so much was the smell.
 

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Well, obviously the carrier that will carry the most formestane into the skin without damaging it (or rather, without damaging it so much that it becomes noticeable over time frames an average user plans to use the product) will be the best

In a study on science direct regarding profiles of aromatase inhibitors (cant post links yet, sorry) it is said that formestane and exemestane have similar ic50 value and therefore, if similar amounts are in the bloodstream, they should inhibit aromatase about the same (someone more knowledgeable may feel free to correct this if I am wrong).

In a study on ncbi regarding pharmacokinetics of exemestame we can see that 25mg/day of exemestane inhibits about 60% of aromatase with higher dose of 50mg/day showing no further suppression (amd this study was done on males, group of our interest).
And yes, we need to take into the account the oral bioavailability of exemestane, which i remember, is said to be around 60%), but best to have some buffer, the less formestane we need, the better.

So therefore we can conclude that if we can get at least 25mg/day of formestane into our bloodstream with reasonal dosing (lets say 150mg, that would be 2 pumps back in the day, which would mean just under 20% absorption with higher of course being both wanted and better) then new formeron would be a viable alternative to exemestane, making it potentially one of the most useful otc supps on the market.
 
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We also use 50mg/ml for Formeron.
And it for sure is a viable AI. When we had it before it sold out as fast as we could make it. Very solid stuff.
Bringing it back.
 
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Aiming for late summer.
Will you also get the other EU/UK exclusive PH/anabolic products you talked about pur at the same time? There really is a shortness of quality PH/anabolic compounds you can trust on the UK market.
 
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Will you also get the other EU/UK exclusive PH/anabolic products you talked about pur at the same time? There really is a shortness of quality PH/anabolic compounds you can trust on the UK market.
Potentially yes.
 
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Summer is over, so any News regarding Formeron and the PH products?
 
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Its never coming out... Ive given up
 

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There actually are formestane products available on the eu market right now, although they are both oral.
I dont get it. It is well known how td formestane blows oral out of the water (oral form has been said to have anywhere between 1 and 4% absorption rates, good carrier should deliver at least 10%, if not more ).
Why did those companies decide to bring out oral versions is beyond my comprehension abilities. Is it that hard to suspend it? Its a stupid point since sucessfull carriers have been used in the past.
Is it that inconvenient to apply td? I dont think so.
So I really don't know. I guess everyone just wants to pop a pill...
 
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There actually are formestane products available on the eu market right now, although they are both oral.
I dont get it. It is well known how td formestane blows oral out of the water (oral form has been said to have anywhere between 1 and 4% absorption rates, good carrier should deliver at least 10%, if not more ).
Why did those companies decide to bring out oral versions is beyond my comprehension abilities. Is it that hard to suspend it? Its a stupid point since sucessfull carriers have been used in the past.
Is it that inconvenient to apply td? I dont think so.
So I really don't know. I guess everyone just wants to pop a pill...
Well Boss has different opinion ;)

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5761455
 

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gnbbc I remember reading that but still with all the evidence we have we are inclined to believe that more formestane will get to the bloodstream via transdermal route. And that is all that matters, from my perspective. Getting as much % of the 4-hydroxyandrostenedione to the bloodstream as possible to let it do its work.

All the anecdotal evidence with people reporting better results with transdermal. Also, wherever I looked, oral absorption rate for formestane seems to be anywhere fom 1-4% and any decent transdermal should beat that by a mile.

And yes, I know about the srudy where they gave women 250mg of oral formestane and it decreased their circulating estradiol by 50 or so percent. But from what I remember, aromatase inhibitors work better on women, someone may correct me if i am wrong.
But that doesnt mean that, say, 75mg of transdermal form wouldn't have given similar estradiol reduction.
All in all, transdermal seems like a no brainer from what we have seen so far (with injectable being both the best and out of the question). If anything, it would sell well since it has built up the reputation.
 
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mcgeier theres always body conscious uk but looks like their stock is limited and power m y s elf as well as pre dator. for the good old PH's
Yeah I know, but Bodyconscoious is out of stock on any of their PH and I dont trust Brawn or Fusion on their quality. Have been let down by them a couple of times....
 
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What have you tried from Brawn - i was using one of their fat burners Thermo-Lean, and Gamma Burn which i felt nothing from, i have used Rauwolscine from Olympus and it hits hard and gives anxiety but nothing from gamma burn - is brawns stuff bunk or just underdosed?
 

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Tried Brawn formastane a while back. Seemed like it was 1/2 dosed compared to formeron or formabolic.
 
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I tried fusions and I leaned a bit with it

Wasn’t great but wasn’t too bad either
 
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We are testing some samples now of FORMERON 2.0.
Shouldnt be too long now and this stuff will be KILLER.
 
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need a tester??
This stuff wont ever see US soil.
We are running tests using guys in other countries and we are just about ready.
Testing is basically done. Plus we are not changing much just slight tweaks to the carrier to make it a bit better.
 
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This stuff wont ever see US soil.
We are running tests using guys in other countries and we are just about ready.
Testing is basically done. Plus we are not changing much just slight tweaks to the carrier to make it a bit better.
Any hints which products will come besides Formeron?
 
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A few updates for you guys.=
On top of working to streamline our retail branch we have been hard at work on some new products.
1. Formeron. EU/AU release very close. NO USA version.
2. Incinderine. Our fat burner which was discontinued for reformulation. We are getting close to a re release with a new formula. This stuff is exceptional.
3. New USA transdermal. This one is area51 for now but I can tell you when you see it youll be very excited.
4. Pre. 60 -90 days.
5. a new anabolic in phase 2 of 4 testing. So far so good. Looks like this one does bind to androgen receptors. Interesting stuff.

The goal is to get these all out before 2019.

Products 2-5 are in various trial stages in the US.
We will be looking for volunteers for final stage testers for all of these products. Email signups will be sent out over the next month or so.
For those of you guys who want to get involved and get your hands on some free BLR test products head over to our contact page and make sure your signed up for the newsletter.
https://www.blacklionresearch.com/contact
 
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A few updates for you guys.=
On top of working to streamline our retail branch we have been hard at work on some new products.
1. Formeron. EU/AU release very close. NO USA version.
2. Incinderine. Our fat burner which was discontinued for reformulation. We are getting close to a re release with a new formula. This stuff is exceptional.
3. New USA transdermal. This one is area51 for now but I can tell you when you see it youll be very excited.
4. Pre. 60 -90 days.
5. a new anabolic in phase 2 of 4 testing. So far so good. Looks like this one does bind to androgen receptors. Interesting stuff.

The goal is to get these all out before 2019.

Products 2-5 are in various trial stages in the US.
We will be looking for volunteers for final stage testers for all of these products. Email signups will be sent out over the next month or so.
For those of you guys who want to get involved and get your hands on some free BLR test products head over to our contact page and make sure your signed up for the newsletter.
https://www.blacklionresearch.com/contact
I meant which hormonal products will come out besides Formeron for the EU market?
 
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I meant which hormonal products will come out besides Formeron for the EU market?
For now this is the only one set to launch.
There might be some other stuff coming but I have nothing I can confirm. Will keep you guys posted.
 

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Any data on the absorption rate using the new transdermal carrier?

I believe back in the day the old formeron was quoted to absorb at around 10%, although it certainly did and will vary from one individual to the other.
 
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Any data on the absorption rate using the new transdermal carrier?

I believe back in the day the old formeron was quoted to absorb at around 10%, although it certainly did and will vary from one individual to the other.
The carrier is likely not much different. We MIGHT add an additional penetration enhancer but this depends on how well the gel holds.
Ultimately while you might see companies tell you there is xxx% absorption rate they really dont know. Its all guesswork.
I can tell you that Formeron was the best absorbed formestane product I ever used and as this is pretty much the same product I dont expect it to be anything less ;)
 

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Adding a penetration enhancer would be welcome if it is feasible. Lets see that 1 pump per day as effective as 12.5 mg of exemestane :)
 
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Adding a penetration enhancer would be welcome if it is feasible. Lets see that 1 pump per day as effective as 12.5 mg of exemestane :)
While Formestane is a great aromatase inhibitor its also a prohormone to hydroxytestosterone so you get much more than just lower estrogen.
 
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While Formestane is a great aromatase inhibitor its also a prohormone to hydroxytestosterone so you get much more than just lower estrogen.
Which store is going to have it?
 

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While Formestane is a great aromatase inhibitor its also a prohormone to hydroxytestosterone so you get much more than just lower estrogen.
Better them Letrone? or not even in the same playing field?
 
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Better them Letrone? or not even in the same playing field?
Both Formeron and Letrone were strong enough to crash my E2 numbers. So, both of them are very effective for me. If I had to choose one over the other I would probably go with Formeron though especially if I was on cycle.
 

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