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Has the vote been cast on the scent? Im for the axe scent since i dont want everyone to think ive been eating vanilla icecream all day
Do we really need an international scent?? If it simply smells like solvent and whatever needs to be in it, then you can just wear your cologne/body spray of choice over it without competition.Has the vote been cast on the scent? Im for the axe scent since i dont want everyone to think ive been eating vanilla icecream all day
There’s already a few ingredients posted if haven’t checked alreadyLooking forward to the write up on this
I would agree with this but it's an accepted fact stronger smell = stronger gains.Do we really need an international scent?? If it simply smells like solvent and whatever needs to be in it, then you can just wear your cologne/body spray of choice over it without competition.
We definitely dont know. There are ingredients that smell so bad that it overrides any possible benefit. Im not hell bent on the axe scent, just trying to cut cologne out of my expensesDo we really need an international scent?? If it simply smells like solvent and whatever needs to be in it, then you can just wear your cologne/body spray of choice over it without competition.
Well I’ll say this: if it smells so bad that strong scent is necessary to mask it, I’ll back you on a body spray-esque scent over vanilla, BUT I’d prefer the mildest level of scent needed be used.We definitely dont know. There are ingredients that smell so bad that it overrides any possible benefit. Im not hell bent on the axe scent, just trying to cut cologne out of my expenses
yeah i mean if its faint im fine with vanillaWell I’ll say this: if it smells so bad that strong scent is necessary to mask it, I’ll back you on a body spray-esque scent over vanilla, BUT I’d prefer the mildest level of scent needed be used.
I am not trying to kill two birds with one stone just for the sake of cost.
I was going to add a mild scent. I even had some testers and honestly a really like 5-10% aqua di dio clone scent was nice. Like barely noticeable but smells nice vs like chems.Has the vote been cast on the scent? Im for the axe scent since i dont want everyone to think ive been eating vanilla icecream all day
I think we are aiming for scent free.Do we really need an international scent?? If it simply smells like solvent and whatever needs to be in it, then you can just wear your cologne/body spray of choice over it without competition.
2 ingredients up at the beginning of the thread. More comingLooking forward to the write up on this
I’ll buy it however you make it lol.I think we are aiming for scent free.
Starting the production today so if anyone prefers scent you have about 2 hours so say so.
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The labels took much longer than expected. I had hoped to be launched by now. Anyways, i don't want to keep saying xxx days. But we are very close. Much of the formeron is already made and sitting in drums waiting to fill the bottles. Basically we are ready to go. I got some of another ingredient up on the writeup yesterday as well.Any update on the approximate release date on this product ? I think I'll be incorporating this in my upcoming stack, looks promising!
iver heard of people doing pct when they run dhea with an anti-estrogen. its my understanding that there doesnt appear to be a feedback mechanism for dhea, and studies have had people on it for years with no subsequent suppression. priming the body for rampant test production with an anti-estrogen and then providing a subsrate like dhea is an entirely different scenario not covered by that study. On top of that I think Brundel said the new ingredients in here are raising test by mechanisms not entirely understood. I think there is a chance people could require pct. Im sure there are people who are going to experiment taking it without cyclingGiven the strong nature of the anabolic potential, where would you position this product? Most folks I think used the OG as a topical AI during PCT if I recall? So does this still fit in PCT, or is it better served as an all-in-one natural "cycle"?
Formeron OG was Formestane. So it was an AI but also converted to 4-hydroxytestosterone. And, while some did use it as PCT I would think it wouldnt be as well suited for this purpose. Yes if you tested you would see testosterone levels rise massively but this was almost certainly the hydroxytest testing as testosterone.Given the strong nature of the anabolic potential, where would you position this product? Most folks I think used the OG as a topical AI during PCT if I recall? So does this still fit in PCT, or is it better served as an all-in-one natural "cycle"?
Yah I really dont know for sure. I expect test levels to be really good on this regardless.iver heard of people doing pct when they run dhea with an anti-estrogen. its my understanding that there doesnt appear to be a feedback mechanism for dhea, and studies have had people on it for years with no subsequent suppression. priming the body for rampant test production with an anti-estrogen and then providing a subsrate like dhea is an entirely different scenario not covered by that study. On top of that I think Brundel said the new ingredients in here are raising test by mechanisms not entirely understood. I think there is a chance people could require pct. Im sure there are people who are going to experiment taking it without cycling
maybe one of these deals where we never know. that's what happened with laxogenin; some people are still saying laxogenin works on the estrogen receptor, then there was that research indicating it's effect on the androgen receptor. some people take that year round with no issues, others stop every 6 months to supposedly clear the receptors out and recharge sensitivity with no issues.Yah I really dont know for sure. I expect test levels to be really good on this regardless.
Will it cause suppression? I dont know. So far I havnt seen any evidence of this but the test pool is small.
Have you gotten bloodwork before and after starting formeron?Hi! I've been participating in the Formeron "early field trial" for the past 5 weeks and wanted to share my experience as a 10+yr AnabolicMinds member. I'm 54 yrs old, 5'9", 202 lbs and have been lifting consistently for 17 years. I've been a huge fan of transdermals and have used Androgel, Dermacrine, Exotherm topically, plus my own homegrown LGD, Ostarine and Enclomiphene topicals using Phlojel Ultra as a carrier. This past year I've been mostly all natty except for a standalone Enclomiphene cycle. I'm not a rep of BLR though an enthusiast who has used almost all iterations of their products for the past decade. I've always appreciated their excellent customer service and legacy of solid products that have given consistent results.
So overall this new enhanced Formeron formula is absolutely the real deal! Every week so far I've experienced more strength and I've most definitely put on some size! My starting weight was 198 lbs and now I'm at 202 lbs. My protocol has been applying half the dosage first thing in the morning as that fully covers my chest, upper back, delts and abs. I apply the 2nd dose after training and sauna in the afternoon which has also worked well. In addition, a few days a week I exfoliate those areas to ensure optimal absorption. The new gel is literally unnoticeable once applied with no scent nor stains on my shirts, and I honestly forget I'm wearing it. After application, I can put on a tank top within about 5-10 minutes and barely feel a slight sticky residue on my skin.
Within a few days of my first application, I noticed pronounced pumps post workout especially in the upper back / traps which felt absolutely amazing! Every day I've felt fuller and really noticed significant muscle gains around week 3 through 5 so far. I've been meticulous with a clean diet and a training surplus of 500-1k cals and have had a huge spike in hunger as well around week 3. During week 4, I've had random folks at my gym ask what "juice" I'm on, which is always a quality metric of success and hard work. I've estimated my working reps have increased about 10-20% and have been squeezing out an extra set on virtually all movements, plus recovery has been phenomenal as well with no soreness after killer lifts. Another notable observation is I previously had sore wrists intermittently during my bench press, and that has mysteriously disappeared for some reason. I would classify this as a small cycle and highly similar to the fullness I love with LGD without the dreaded water bloat around the waist! I've been tempted to stack on LGD though to be honest I've been so satisfied with these solo results that I don't want to change anything! Let me know if ya have any questions on my experience. I'm planning to run this 10-12 weeks until Thanksgiving and take a month off over the holidays. I'd recommend 2 bottles minimum to start to span 8 weeks and give this time to fully kick in.
Also in addition, my homemade pre-workout stack with Formeron consists of the following:
Caffeine
Creatine Ethyl Ester HCI
AAKG
L-Citrulline DL-Mallate 2:1
D-Ribose
Boron Citrate
Tongkat Ali
Fadogia Agrestis
L-Carnitine
NALT
+ Armodafanil
Cheers!
any effect on libido?Hi! I've been participating in the Formeron "early field trial" for the past 5 weeks and wanted to share my experience as a 10+yr AnabolicMinds member. I'm 54 yrs old, 5'9", 202 lbs and have been lifting consistently for 17 years. I've been a huge fan of transdermals and have used Androgel, Dermacrine, Exotherm topically, plus my own homegrown LGD, Ostarine and Enclomiphene topicals using Phlojel Ultra as a carrier. This past year I've been mostly all natty except for a standalone Enclomiphene cycle. I'm not a rep of BLR though an enthusiast who has used almost all iterations of their products for the past decade. I've always appreciated their excellent customer service and legacy of solid products that have given consistent results.
So overall this new enhanced Formeron formula is absolutely the real deal! Every week so far I've experienced more strength and I've most definitely put on some size! My starting weight was 198 lbs and now I'm at 202 lbs. My protocol has been applying half the dosage first thing in the morning as that fully covers my chest, upper back, delts and abs. I apply the 2nd dose after training and sauna in the afternoon which has also worked well. In addition, a few days a week I exfoliate those areas to ensure optimal absorption. The new gel is literally unnoticeable once applied with no scent nor stains on my shirts, and I honestly forget I'm wearing it. After application, I can put on a tank top within about 5-10 minutes and barely feel a slight sticky residue on my skin.
Within a few days of my first application, I noticed pronounced pumps post workout especially in the upper back / traps which felt absolutely amazing! Every day I've felt fuller and really noticed significant muscle gains around week 3 through 5 so far. I've been meticulous with a clean diet and a training surplus of 500-1k cals and have had a huge spike in hunger as well around week 3. During week 4, I've had random folks at my gym ask what "juice" I'm on, which is always a quality metric of success and hard work. I've estimated my working reps have increased about 10-20% and have been squeezing out an extra set on virtually all movements, plus recovery has been phenomenal as well with no soreness after killer lifts. Another notable observation is I previously had sore wrists intermittently during my bench press, and that has mysteriously disappeared for some reason. I would classify this as a small cycle and highly similar to the fullness I love with LGD without the dreaded water bloat around the waist! I've been tempted to stack on LGD though to be honest I've been so satisfied with these solo results that I don't want to change anything! Let me know if ya have any questions on my experience. I'm planning to run this 10-12 weeks until Thanksgiving and take a month off over the holidays. I'd recommend 2 bottles minimum to start to span 8 weeks and give this time to fully kick in.
Also in addition, my homemade pre-workout stack with Formeron consists of the following:
Caffeine
Creatine Ethyl Ester HCI
AAKG
L-Citrulline DL-Mallate 2:1
D-Ribose
Boron Citrate
Tongkat Ali
Fadogia Agrestis
L-Carnitine
NALT
+ Armodafanil
Cheers!
Coincidentally, I did have my midyear male hormone panel taken on July 1st and have been contemplating a follow up panel to compare. Will keep ya posted!Have you gotten bloodwork before and after starting formeron?
Positive impact on libido occurred during the 1st week which was one of the very first indicators of a hormonal change. It's stabilized the past couple weeks. I also noticed a general improved sense of well being which has also translated to a better mood in the gym and willingness to push harder. 10 reps of 105lb dumbell shrugs increased to 12-14 reps quickly which was a big motivator! Weights definitely seemed lighter around the 3 week mark, which was evident with higher volume I was pushing.any effect on libido?
you mentioned youve been doing extra sets; would you say youve been enjoying your workouts alot more?
Any aromatase inhibitor will be dry.Any negative effects typically associated with increased test such as itchy scalp ? Also would you consider this a dry or wet compound?
No negative side effects noted as of yet. No skin irritation / redness on the application area nor scalp. This is most definitely a dry compound. With the strength increase I've experienced so far with this new Formeron, my best comparison is LGD without the puffiness and bloating.Any negative effects typically associated with increased test such as itchy scalp ? Also would you consider this a dry or wet compound?
That's awesome.No negative side effects noted as of yet. No skin irritation / redness on the application area nor scalp. This is most definitely a dry compound. With the strength increase I've experienced so far with this new Formeron, my best comparison is LGD without the puffiness and bloating.
Just for the sake of your best effort at comparison, what kind of LGD dosage that you have ran are we talking?No negative side effects noted as of yet. No skin irritation / redness on the application area nor scalp. This is most definitely a dry compound. With the strength increase I've experienced so far with this new Formeron, my best comparison is LGD without the puffiness and bloating.
My LGD dosing protocol has always been 15-20mg/day + 12.5-15mg/day Enclomiphene Citrate, both topical. I have a love/hate relationship with LGD as there are sides with water retention, elevated blood pressure, HDL reduction, and libido loss later in the cycle.Just for the sake of your best effort at comparison, what kind of LGD dosage that you have ran are we talking?
Thank you for your feedback. I like LGD, the pumps and performance & recovery edge I feel it offers, but as you mentioned it’s nasty on lipids like other orals and for me always gives bad lethargy (even when on testosterone) that goes away upon cessation.My LGD dosing protocol has always been 15-20mg/day + 12.5-15mg/day Enclomiphene Citrate, both topical. I have a love/hate relationship with LGD as there are sides with water retention, elevated blood pressure, HDL reduction, and libido loss later in the cycle.
Definitely dry.Any negative effects typically associated with increased test such as itchy scalp ? Also would you consider this a dry or wet compound?
The reason this is important is alot of the gains from lgd are water. Hence the bloat and the rapid weight gain. But it's transient. This happens with alot of anabolic steroids as well. Dbol, anadrol test. You gain a bunch of weight up front but it's about what's left behind. If you gain 10lbs but lose 9 after well....was it worth it?No negative side effects noted as of yet. No skin irritation / redness on the application area nor scalp. This is most definitely a dry compound. With the strength increase I've experienced so far with this new Formeron, my best comparison is LGD without the puffiness and bloating.
Positive impact on libido occurred during the 1st week which was one of the very first indicators of a hormonal change. It's stabilized the past couple weeks. I also noticed a general improved sense of well being which has also translated to a better mood in the gym and willingness to push harder. 10 reps of 105lb dumbell shrugs increased to 12-14 reps quickly which was a big motivator! Weights definitely seemed lighter around the 3 week mark, which was evident with higher volume I was pushing.
I have observed increased strength which translates to more stamina during my workouts. Aside from that, I haven't noticed anything different with overall energy levels during the day, sleep quality, etc. My first week I did feel more 'alpha male', positive and driven, so I'd be curious to hear any similar experiences.how was your energy throughout the day on this? any improvement?
No adverse issues with joint pain. So far it's actually alleviated previous wrist pain as I've indicated above, which was a nice surprise!Any issues with joint pain?
I think so but we dont have any labs yet.Strong enough to control E2 on HRT?
I'd imagine that would vary greatly person to person based on there estrogen conversion, dose and frequency.Strong enough to control E2 on HRT?