FORMERON 2024

I’ve been taking for a little over two weeks now, slight increase in libido, a bit more agitated then normal but I can tell my strength is already increasing and today was my first day going for a pump and it was gnarly. I’m sure this stuff is ganna keep shining with continued use.
 
brundel said:
We are currently testing a new Ecdysteroid. And slupp332. Both seem to be doing well.
Im thinking transdermal SLUPP332.
Because we cant do injection and oral is unlikely to be effective at the doses used.
I know people using really high doses though without any real side effects so it appears to be relatively side free.
Will likely do a solid dose topical. Working on the new carrier as we speak. Gonna have to be different from Formeron

Please keep an eye on these symptoms. I can always dial up the AI dose to mitigate these sides. I just didnt want to crush estro.
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how bout a combo product combining the slu 322 with another of these new fatloss items hitting fatloss from several angles?
 
Due to inflexible shoulders i can only reach my chest when applying with my wrists.
Am I missing out too much by applying with my hands? Ideally I would like to apply to my traps a shoulders to better target the androgen receptors.
 
Use rubber gloves. I never use my bear hands. Not only you may waste some of the product but you also risking getting that product in your eyes on your love ones , etc . Disposable gloves are cheap and effective solution.
 
div1872 said:
It’s always a tricky one but I think most people wouldn’t need extra control I’m quite sensitive to Dhea
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i have the same sensitivity. im not sure how many people have worked with transdermal DHEA. are we certain the estro sides are from the that? i can handle 15-20mg transdermal no problem but this is next level. fearing time period following a dose until i got things locked down with enclomiphine, which may also block the ecdysteroids. consulted a Legend on solutions and subsequently a bottle of exemestane came in today.
 
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Conman2435 said:
I’ve been taking for a little over two weeks now, slight increase in libido, a bit more agitated then normal but I can tell my strength is already increasing and today was my first day going for a pump and it was gnarly. I’m sure this stuff is ganna keep shining with continued use.
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thanks for the update. im at the one week mark
 
malin said:
Use rubber gloves. I never use my bear hands. Not only you may waste some of the product but you also risking getting that product in your eyes on your love ones , etc . Disposable gloves are cheap and effective solution.
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haha i started doing this.
 
I am so eager to get this as well but I am a bit hesitant for two reasons..
Estrogen sensitivity and getting this into Australia 😅
 
Ziyo said:
How is your experience?
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im only a week in. immediately prior to this i was experimenting with dhea, 600-1200mg/day gg gold, and some estrogen countermeasures. you mentioned you have some kind of estrogen sensitivity; im not sure how that applies to dhea, but prior to formeron when i used dhea transdermal at say 40mg/day the estrogen symptoms were brutal and would persist in areas beyond what Atractylodes could address even at 3 caps a day. i bring this up because my chest lifts improved pretty significantly immediately before and into the first few days after formeronon with that protocal (with dhea ultimately at 15-20mg). there are alot of factors that may have resulted in the unusual strength increase (ive been lifting for 24 years.) one possibility is that the GG/dhea/ anti estrogen combo increased my testosterone in a way many other efforts have failed. im awaiting a blood test for that information, which is also serving as my pre-formeron bloodwork. as far as my experience with formeron goes, only a week in i think it's safe to say my opinion is subject to a ton of change as more time passes, since it hasnt had enough time to work and the problems were immediate (pros: joint/skin health, cons: affected boners, softened muscles, insane hunger that is countered by anti-estrogens). an hour after taking the exemestane and i can see how righteous it is under my circumstances. rebirth was very effective as well, much more so than Atractylodes, but after a few days it looked like i was going to have toleration issues with it. I would make sure you have multiple solutions on hand if you do decide to get involved. so yeah it's been alot of work so far but i made it to a good place ill be looking to weeks 2-4 for the upside. I should clarify here that my reaction to dhea is what youde call a "me problem." there are plenty of people taking 70mg doses with a smidgeon of anti-estrogen and they love it.
 
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I’m 10 days in. I’ve noticed an increase in libido, slightly more oily skin and my strength is climbing. I’m in a calorie deficit so the strength boost is very much welcome.

No estrogen related sides.

I only have one bottle, but will buy another to run for 2 months.
 
Ziyo said:
Any initial effects from the guys that have been taking FORMERON thus far? Any testosterone/libido related effects perhaps?
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Random erections during daytime naps.
thescience said:
i have the same sensitivity. im not sure how many people have worked with transdermal DHEA. are we certain the estro sides are from the that? i can handle 15-20mg transdermal no problem but this is next level. fearing time period following a dose until i got things locked down with enclomiphine, which may also block the ecdysteroids. consulted a Legend on solutions and subsequently a bottle of exemestane came in today.
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Ac262
 
Bigbri01 said:
Due to inflexible shoulders i can only reach my chest when applying with my wrists.
Am I missing out too much by applying with my hands? Ideally I would like to apply to my traps a shoulders to better target the androgen receptors.
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Basically anything on your hands is lost. This winds up being a significant portion as all of it will be on your hands at some point. Perhaps 30% loss.
 
thescience said:
i have the same sensitivity. im not sure how many people have worked with transdermal DHEA. are we certain the estro sides are from the that? i can handle 15-20mg transdermal no problem but this is next level. fearing time period following a dose until i got things locked down with enclomiphine, which may also block the ecdysteroids. consulted a Legend on solutions and subsequently a bottle of exemestane came in today.
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Yah I wouldnt suggest a serm. AI only.
 
woke up with a ton of energy today. more than ive had in years. not sure if im just realizing how awesome that dose of dhea is as a stimulent now that ive got the estrogen under control or if im increasing my test. time will tell
 
Brightburn100 said:
Random erections during daytime naps.

Ac262
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Thanks for offering the assistence. I dont have my 12/2024 labs in yet, but my 10.2024 labs had me at 5 on a scale of like 6-21 for free test. Prolactin was upper normal range all likely due to a work commitment resulting in a lack of sleep. Thats my long winded way of saying that i need all the help i can get. Ac262 appears to lower lh which is kindof scary though and im pushing to have everything, which is likely stemming from my condition before entering this experiement, under control with only anti estrogens
 
Odd question: is there something in this capable of causing like spine nerve issues? I started Formeron on the 5th of December. By the 9th I had a tingling/burning sensation between my shoulder blades more on the right side. This continued to get worse for a few days and stayed the same for a little more than a week. Since I didn’t in an obvious way injure my back there, I decided to discontinue the Formeron and each day since stopping the numbness, tingling, burning has gotten better. I’m now day 4 since stopping and it has cleared up 90% from what was happening. Just curious.
 
WickedWarlock said:
Odd question: is there something in this capable of causing like spine nerve issues? I started Formeron on the 5th of December. By the 9th I had a tingling/burning sensation between my shoulder blades more on the right side. This continued to get worse for a few days and stayed the same for a little more than a week. Since I didn’t in an obvious way injure my back there, I decided to discontinue the Formeron and each day since stopping the numbness, tingling, burning has gotten better. I’m now day 4 since stopping and it has cleared up 90% from what was happening. Just curious.
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I doubt the product would have been put into production if this was possible. Maybe give it a few weeks and than restart? Interested to see what happens.
 
botk1161 said:
I doubt the product would have been put into production if this was possible. Maybe give it a few weeks and than restart? Interested to see what happens.
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Had someone PM me actually with similar issue. Not saying it’s the product as I haven’t gathered enough evidence either way but pretty odd coincidence it happened four days into running it and happens to be nearly gone 4 days after discontinuing it. I will say that the feeling is so odd and invasive to daily life that I don’t even want to risk restarting it
 
malin said:
Do you feel that it aggravates existing/old injury or is it causing weird sensation?
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Never injured my thoracic area so it is definitely a new area of sensation. It’s from what I can tell 100% a nerve issue. During the time I had it bad, I tried heat, cold, stretching, rolling, pain relievers, topical pain relievers and nothing actually touched the feeling to make it go away. Very odd
 
WickedWarlock said:
Odd question: is there something in this capable of causing like spine nerve issues? I started Formeron on the 5th of December. By the 9th I had a tingling/burning sensation between my shoulder blades more on the right side. This continued to get worse for a few days and stayed the same for a little more than a week. Since I didn’t in an obvious way injure my back there, I decided to discontinue the Formeron and each day since stopping the numbness, tingling, burning has gotten better. I’m now day 4 since stopping and it has cleared up 90% from what was happening. Just curious.
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I havent experienced that, but antiestrogens can affect joints if youre extremely sensitve. I saw extremely because atratylodes are amazingly easy on the joints.I saw a talk from an md once that explained a link between right shoulder pain and the liver once so just a long shot if you werent clearing hormone-like substances well, an issue is possible
 
thescience said:
I havent experienced that, but antiestrogens can affect joints if youre extremely sensitve. I saw a talk from an md once that explained a link between right shoulder pain and the liver once so just throwing out ideas
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I’m inclined to throw out the estrogen idea as I have crashed estrogen plenty of times and never gotten back pain or soreness of the back, but tingles/numbness/burning for no apparent reason (and bending not causing issues at all) steers me away from joint issues being the cause. And since it’s more of a tingle/burn vs pain that subsides by putting even the smallest bit of pressure, I’m also inclined to say it isn’t organ related and is something causing neuropathy
 
WickedWarlock said:
I’m inclined to throw out the estrogen idea as I have crashed estrogen plenty of times and never gotten back pain or soreness of the back, but tingles/numbness/burning for no apparent reason (and bending not causing issues at all) steers me away from joint issues being the cause. And since it’s more of a tingle/burn vs pain that subsides by putting even the smallest bit of pressure, I’m also inclined to say it isn’t organ related and is something causing neuropathy
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You could test the liver theory out by taking the formeron with several grams of methionine a day to potebtially help the liver clear Ecdysteroids. Areas closed off due to organ issues can suffer in any manner due to decreased bloodflow. I wouldnt be inclined to think nerve damage in any way associated with formeron directly. I read a great book by a doctor on the liver, and people have issues processing the dangest things; somepeople it takes like 20 hours to clear caffeine and they get daylong stimulation from it. There are specific ways to speed up detoxing the aftermath of specific agents
 
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thescience said:
You could test the liver theory out by taking the formeron with several grams of methionine a day to potebtially help the liver clear Ecdysteroids. Areas closed off due to organ issues can suffer in any manner due to decreased bloodflow. I wouldnt be inclined to think nerve damage in any way associated with formeron
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I have two theories and maybe @brundel will have a better grasp of potential science on this but

1) DHEA being an adrenal hormone is having some sort of downstream effect on my spine perhaps through increased aldosterone
Or
2) the ecydysterone is hitting my estrogen receptors in my back in such a way it’s causing some issues.
 
The fact that two people are experiencing this, and that it unexpected and goes away with ceasing the product, is enough to tell me its the product that is most likely causing it.
 
Been on Formeron for over 2 weeks now. 5 pumps AM and 5 pump PM. I have not had any issues/side effects or anything like what's being discussed.
 
Joshlm69 said:
How’s your experience going at 10 pumps a day, anything to report?
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I'm on a lot of other stuff. But I do feel like I am getting added pumps and more endurance for my workouts. Also think I am gaining more strength seeing more volume. The carrier is like OG Formeron. Very nice. Quick drying.
 
WickedWarlock said:
Odd question: is there something in this capable of causing like spine nerve issues? I started Formeron on the 5th of December. By the 9th I had a tingling/burning sensation between my shoulder blades more on the right side. This continued to get worse for a few days and stayed the same for a little more than a week. Since I didn’t in an obvious way injure my back there, I decided to discontinue the Formeron and each day since stopping the numbness, tingling, burning has gotten better. I’m now day 4 since stopping and it has cleared up 90% from what was happening. Just curious.
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Might want to get the heart checked.
Sounds like a cardiac issue. Not something that could be caused by Formeron but increased water retention would make the symptoms more noticeable.
Nothing in there could cause this. Either its something like you slept wrong etc or you might have a cardiac issue. Maybe schedule an EKG.
 
WickedWarlock said:
Never injured my thoracic area so it is definitely a new area of sensation. It’s from what I can tell 100% a nerve issue. During the time I had it bad, I tried heat, cold, stretching, rolling, pain relievers, topical pain relievers and nothing actually touched the feeling to make it go away. Very odd
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Isnt really possible for this to cause a nerve issue.
And 90% of the ingredients have been widely used by millions of people. Atriplex has less testing but still the chance it caused some nerve damage is 0.
Which is why I think it sounds cardiac. INcreased water retention would make these issues more pronounced.
BUt that means you woiuld have to have a long term pre existing cardiac issue
 
brundel said:
Isnt really possible for this to cause a nerve issue.
And 90% of the ingredients have been widely used by millions of people. Atriplex has less testing but still the chance it caused some nerve damage is 0.
Which is why I think it sounds cardiac. INcreased water retention would make these issues more pronounced.
BUt that means you woiuld have to have a long term pre existing cardiac issue
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Had my heart checked a year ago, no issues noted. Frequently check my heart rate via Fitbit and monitor blood pressure which spiked a bit but nothing outside the realm of other things I have used. Actually if anything my resting heart rate as well as cardio heart rate have improved significantly the last few months. Just has me scratching my head as another person has reached out to me with a similar issue but their pain is on the left side instead of the right. I want to add that I took lgd a few months ago for two weeks and got pretty bloated from that and still did not experience this.
 
botk1161 said:
The fact that two people are experiencing this, and that it unexpected and goes away with ceasing the product, is enough to tell me its the product that is most likely causing it.
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Sold over 3000 bottles and nobody else is complaining of these issues. 1 person in 3000 on top of millions of people using the ingredients = no.
 
WickedWarlock said:
Had my heart checked a year ago, no issues noted. Frequently check my heart rate via Fitbit and monitor blood pressure which spiked a bit but nothing outside the realm of other things I have used. Actually if anything my resting heart rate as well as cardio heart rate have improved significantly the last few months. Just has me scratching my head as another person has reached out to me with a similar issue but their pain is on the left side instead of the right. I want to add that I took lgd a few months ago for two weeks and got pretty bloated from that and still did not experience this.
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Yah, other than that, I dont see any possible way it could be related.
 
Often we make a correlation where there isnt one. Correlation does not always = causation.
For example, My Fn Trap was hurting for months. Thought it was torn or injured in some way. Could barely move it. Thought I had torn it the last time I trained shoulders because I went hard.
Turns out it was a combo of repeated stress from using a mouse all day and my 10 year old bed forcing my shoulders forward as I sun into it.
Got a new bed, shifted my posture when playing overwatch and 2 days later it was gone. After 4 months.
Screenshot 2024-12-23 at 12-58-47 funny correlation vs causation meme - Google Search.webp
 
brundel said:
Often we make a correlation where there isnt one. Correlation does not always = causation.
For example, My Fn Trap was hurting for months. Thought it was torn or injured in some way. Could barely move it. Thought I had torn it the last time I trained shoulders because I went hard.
Turns out it was a combo of repeated stress from using a mouse all day and my 10 year old bed forcing my shoulders forward as I sun into it.
Got a new bed, shifted my posture when playing overwatch and 2 days later it was gone. After 4 months.
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Again I can only go based on my experience but correlation/causation… issues happened 4 days into using…pretty much complete stop 4 days after stopping (crazy coincidence same amount of time to start and correct the issue) … now is it an ingredient issue for me, carrier issue for me, bloating issue (I got leaner so probs not) …no idea, but its enough for me personally to say the product effects me negatively in one way or another causing this issue directly or indirectly. I posted to get people’s thoughts on the matter not to blame anything but for my own knowledge. Then there is the second person with a similar issue so perhaps/perhaps not it is more common that you and I realize. I still recommend the product to those who don’t get weird issues because it was in fact working great for strength gains.
 
WickedWarlock said:
Again I can only go based on my experience but correlation/causation… issues happened 4 days into using…pretty much complete stop 4 days after stopping (crazy coincidence same amount of time to start and correct the issue) … now is it an ingredient issue for me, carrier issue for me, bloating issue (I got leaner so probs not) …no idea, but its enough for me personally to say the product effects me negatively in one way or another causing this issue directly or indirectly. I posted to get people’s thoughts on the matter not to blame anything but for my own knowledge. Then there is the second person with a similar issue so perhaps/perhaps not it is more common that you and I realize. I still recommend the product to those who don’t get weird issues because it was in fact working great for strength gains.
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Are you taking anything else while using formeron?
 
Cjg said:
Are you taking anything else while using formeron?
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Just my basic normal supps that I always take.
Creatine
Multi
Gear support by IML (I run this nearly year round)
Also kept the same diet and workout program I have had for months. Only new variable was Formeron
 
i appreciated any anecdote good or bad. i stash it away in case the day comes where i find myself in a similar situation. i think the counter argument on causality is like with that drug company that made fish oil for cholesterol and listed bleeding as a side effect. does it really cause bleeding? there are people absolutely that bleed when they take fish oil. it happens, but we all know that a normal healthy person should be able to thin their blood alittle benficially without the bleeding
 
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Again I can only go based on my experience but correlation/causation… issues happened 4 days into using…pretty much complete stop 4 days after stopping (crazy coincidence same amount of time to start and correct the issue) … now is it an ingredient issue for me, carrier issue for me, bloating issue (I got leaner so probs not) …no idea, but its enough for me personally to say the product effects me negatively in one way or another causing this issue directly or indirectly. I posted to get people’s thoughts on the matter not to blame anything but for my own knowledge. Then there is the second person with a similar issue so perhaps/perhaps not it is more common that you and I realize. I still recommend the product to those who don’t get weird issues because it was in fact working great for strength gains.
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I would certainly be interested in seeing how things go. Like 2 months from now have you had similar back issues etc.
 
Merry Christmas everyone.

After 15 days of Formeron I just want to say WHOA
1. Pumps all day, weight is up 2/3lbs, noticeable strength increase
2. A lot of solution compared to other topicals but it dries super quick
3. Feels like a super strong test booster. Alpha male feeling, workout drive, libido boost, etc

Not gonna lie I have high expectations for next 15 days now….

FYI I’ve been doing 6 pumps per day (3am/3pm)
 
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