Fit for February 14th... Or Dead Lift in a DRESS!!!
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bean5er
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Good info as always Hyde. My last oral run I ran TUDCA at 750, as I remembered seeing this info before. I was going to just 500 but am rethinking now.
bean5er
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Nice job Chris!!
Just finished last meal myself. 4oz Chx, 1/2c black beans, 1/2c pineapple, 1 white cheddar rice cake and 1 scoop Trutein cinnabun
Nice little variety tonight tasted awesome!
Question sat at 10am I'm giving blood but am scheduled to lift at 5am as normal. Is this kosher lifting a few hours before blood draw? Maybe dumb question but I'll ask anyway haha
Hyde
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I don't understand the mechanism, nor the necessary dosing of SAM-e to create a tangible effect, but I do know that HenryV has mentioned they are both supposed to be extremely synergistic for liver support during a cycle of oral androgens, in addition to all the other benefits SAM-e boasts. Fwiw, 750mg TUDCA is a dose I personally feel good about - my liver values were healthier on Cyanostane & some dheas (25 days into cycle) on 750 TUDCA than they are in off-time lol. I'd probably drop extra cash on NAC or SAM-e to stack with 750mg TUDCA before spending the money to run it solo 1g e/d.
MrKleen73
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Not a problem at all and pre workouts are fine too. I normally go to the gym come home have my big meal then go straight up to do it. I just tell them my BP may be higher since I just lifted. So just took .1mg prami and 1 mg letro hope I don't get any prami sides... More importantly I don't want gyno to flair and some reduction would be nice!
Leg Day on tap tomorrow, Dead Lifts and Banded leg Press + whatever else i throw at these bitches! Since Max effort dead lift is the end game here I am going to work on my lower reps for straight sets there. Thinking sets of 5 to start building up some strength and work my way down as the weeks progress... If I do have to wear a dress I wanna be pulling 500...
Leg Day on tap tomorrow, Dead Lifts and Banded leg Press + whatever else i throw at these bitches! Since Max effort dead lift is the end game here I am going to work on my lower reps for straight sets there. Thinking sets of 5 to start building up some strength and work my way down as the weeks progress... If I do have to wear a dress I wanna be pulling 500...
bean5er
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Secondary leg day today. Pulled this off Meadow's website. Added a bit to it
Warmup 5 min
LYING LEG CURLS (keeping hips and glutes contracted throughout rep no lifting butt up off pad)
6x10
ADDUCTORS
4x10
SQUATS (just above parallel, explosive reps)
Pyramid up by 6 until you can no longer explode out of the hole for 6
8x6
LEG PRESS (feet high and wide)
3x10
- I added these
LEG EXT (get the blood pumping on these short rests
4x20
STANDING CALF RAISES
4x10
- add weight until you can't do 10 reps. In between sets do 30-50 dorsiflexion reps. Last set do reps then add 20lbs and do partials out of the stretch position to failure
15 mins on StepMill
Drenched.
Warmup 5 min
LYING LEG CURLS (keeping hips and glutes contracted throughout rep no lifting butt up off pad)
6x10
ADDUCTORS
4x10
SQUATS (just above parallel, explosive reps)
Pyramid up by 6 until you can no longer explode out of the hole for 6
8x6
LEG PRESS (feet high and wide)
3x10
- I added these
LEG EXT (get the blood pumping on these short rests
4x20
STANDING CALF RAISES
4x10
- add weight until you can't do 10 reps. In between sets do 30-50 dorsiflexion reps. Last set do reps then add 20lbs and do partials out of the stretch position to failure
15 mins on StepMill
Drenched.
MrKleen73
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Nice work bean5er!!!!
Okay today was a leg day and again we got improvements galore!
Dead Lifts - 135x5, 225x5, 315x5, 405x5 added Versa Gripps 455x4 - Not too shabby Baby!!! I told you all if I would have warmed up correctly I would have got 5 at 405+ obviously I was selling myself a little short. That and the Barbarian is indeed turning me back into a Barbarian!
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Banded Leg Press (fat orange bands) - 640x15, 820x15+5+5+5 added 90 lbs I could have done a few more reps but I am only supposed to go to where I have 1-2 more reps in the tank on the activation set.
Leg Extension 165x15 +5+5+5 - going to go up next time this could have been a tad bit more challenging in the myo sets.
Donkey Calf Raise Sled - 310x15, 350x15+5+5+5 - up 30 lbs on final set, all myo rep sets were done with different feet positions.
Pretty good workout here today definitely enjoyed it.
Okay today was a leg day and again we got improvements galore!
Dead Lifts - 135x5, 225x5, 315x5, 405x5 added Versa Gripps 455x4 - Not too shabby Baby!!! I told you all if I would have warmed up correctly I would have got 5 at 405+ obviously I was selling myself a little short. That and the Barbarian is indeed turning me back into a Barbarian!
[video=youtube_share;1Fblrv1SRyg]http://youtu.be/1Fblrv1SRyg[/video]
Banded Leg Press (fat orange bands) - 640x15, 820x15+5+5+5 added 90 lbs I could have done a few more reps but I am only supposed to go to where I have 1-2 more reps in the tank on the activation set.
Leg Extension 165x15 +5+5+5 - going to go up next time this could have been a tad bit more challenging in the myo sets.
Donkey Calf Raise Sled - 310x15, 350x15+5+5+5 - up 30 lbs on final set, all myo rep sets were done with different feet positions.
Pretty good workout here today definitely enjoyed it.
MrKleen73
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I will have to practice Sumo at some point. One person said it looks like I am hyper extending my back in the lockout so I probably need to work on that. Never been sure how far I need to go back so I have probably exaggerated it a bit.
superbeast668
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That's a beastly dead kleen. That does look like a super exaggerated lock out but I don't see it as a big deal unless you hurt your self. Like bean I sumo dead.
Today is the first day I've felt "on" since I started popping pills. Ooooooh baby can't wait to hit the gym. Bro day. Gun show baby!!!
Today is the first day I've felt "on" since I started popping pills. Ooooooh baby can't wait to hit the gym. Bro day. Gun show baby!!!
MrKleen73
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Sweet on the feeling On! I don't actually feel ON, so much as strength is returning rapidly.
I don't think my knees unlocked so much as them coming forward from my hips coming so far forward. However I may just not have noticed it. I will definitely work on this next week to limit it. I was also told I need to fall back into the pull but I think that the shape of the weight is kind of making that hard to since it doesn't roll with me. I do as I feel I tend to do that when I use a round weight.
Any other tips?
Lukef2000
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MrKleen73 nice deadlift! Definitely an exaggerated lockout but pretty decent form other than that! Some very minor rounding of the back but better than 99.9% of people I see!
Been MIA these last few days sorry guys had carrier issues. Been hitting the gym and been munching on ECA, I had to lower my dose as I was having issues sleeping. I got called back to work a few days earlier so my holidays officially over
Been MIA these last few days sorry guys had carrier issues. Been hitting the gym and been munching on ECA, I had to lower my dose as I was having issues sleeping. I got called back to work a few days earlier so my holidays officially over
MrKleen73
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MrKleen73 nice deadlift! Definitely an exaggerated lockout but pretty decent form other than that! Some very minor rounding of the back but better than 99.9% of people I see!
Been MIA these last few days sorry guys had carrier issues. Been hitting the gym and been munching on ECA, I had to lower my dose as I was having issues sleeping. I got called back to work a few days earlier so my holidays officially over
Thanks and yeah no way I could have slept on 50mg of ephedrine twice a day... You are a beast!
superbeast668
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Arms are SMOKED
. Week 8 starts with a tri set.
Over head vbarx12 probated kickbacks for 6 machine dips for 8. 4 rotations. Weights were astronomical...
Reg sets:
Skull crushers 3x20
Standing db curl 4x8
Ez bar curl with 3 sec neg 4x6
Hammers 4x10.
Reverse grip curls 3x12.
Moved big lbs. me and my partner smoked it in 40 minutes.
Gonna go see Lone Survivor tonight. Finishing up 10oz ground turkey and 8oz asparagus with 2 tbsp grass fed butter and salt. Carbs are under 50 today. Pro and fat will be on point!
Keep it real homies have a happy Friday!!!
. Week 8 starts with a tri set.
Over head vbarx12 probated kickbacks for 6 machine dips for 8. 4 rotations. Weights were astronomical...
Reg sets:
Skull crushers 3x20
Standing db curl 4x8
Ez bar curl with 3 sec neg 4x6
Hammers 4x10.
Reverse grip curls 3x12.
Moved big lbs. me and my partner smoked it in 40 minutes.
Gonna go see Lone Survivor tonight. Finishing up 10oz ground turkey and 8oz asparagus with 2 tbsp grass fed butter and salt. Carbs are under 50 today. Pro and fat will be on point!
Keep it real homies have a happy Friday!!!
MrKleen73
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Nice work and diet superbeast668 doing the same here on the diet front. Carbs come tomorrow or Sunday I have not decided when. Every 3-4 days. Depends on if I lift tomorrow or just do cardio.
Hyde
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I forgot to mention I was also using 4 caps of AL's Talos /day with that 750mg TUDCA, so SAM-e was in the pic as well. Unfortunately, my cholesterol values were TRASH; absolutely scary numbers. And my profile has always been healthy in off-time between cycles; it also was perfect again a couple months after that cycle when I had them drawn again. But Cyanostane decimated my cholesterol profile while on it, & it's not such a distant relative to DMZ. Not like Halo or Epi will do it any favors either, but that's just methyls in general.
Hyde
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And your pull was great. Lockout is, as everyone said, excessively extended. But that's easy enough to fix; simply don't lean back as you finish pulling thru the glutes/hip extension - and hyperextension isn't illegal if you can remain locked out, it's just that it can be dangerous. If you lost balance it'd suck to fall back with 500lbs on you lol. And my buddy used to pull the same way & it tweaked his neck. He just stopped leaning so far back & everything's dandy now.
MrKleen73
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Thanks! As far as the lipids I don't expect them to be good. I am going to start using iForce Heart Help though, it does wonders for lipids. Probably won't get them normal but for TRT I should be fine. Just wont be going to my regular Doc to get it but a TRT specialist so they should only test the test and estro levels.
RegisterJr
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Just curious, why are you on TRT? Is it from cycling?
bean5er
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MrKleen73
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I will be going on it. I would be lying if I said I knew it wasn't but my HPTA seems to have been pretty weak even before I used desighner steroids or PH's. I have never recovered well. Even when i used things that naturally increased free testosterone my levels would lower and my balls would get smaller. I used a lot of natty test boosters frequently. I didn't realize by doing that I was tricking my HPTA into thinking a lower level of total serum testosterone was needed to keep my free test elevated. That is because I was always running things that freed up my test. When I started noticing that if I wasn't on one of those I would dip into a sub par state I decided to try designers.
Well I never recovered well from them either so it was a horrible yoyo effect for me. I want to keep some of what I gained from the DS so that is why I want to get on TRT that and obviously I want to have a good sex drive and life drive in general which was lacking even from running just the natty test boosters which didn't boost much so much as free the bound test too often.
In the end it all comes down to over use of the natty boosters first then not liking the yoyo effect caused by the inability for my HPTA to recover. Pretty sure the simple fact that my HPTA was even really bothered that much by the natty boosters implied that my HPTA was already pretty weak. On top of that I am turning 41 in less than a month so I am not a spring chicken. Not old but not young and at a pretty typical age for TRT for those aware of it's benefits.
Not sure if that is the answer you were looking for but it is what i think is the case. Could just be my HPTA sucked all along too.
superbeast668
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I'm going to really limit refeeds. I feel like the last two have been too much.
He's not on TRT yet. As weird as it sounds he (and I and a few others at that) would like to be on TRT. Not ever coming off really helps maintain gains since your test never drops in TRT and stays fairly steady. Gains are lost typically because your numbers are in the dumps after a cycle. You'll still lose some after a big blast but not nearly as bad as pct.
He's jealous of my genital girth
Lmao. Hahaha.
RegisterJr
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That's exactly what I was looking for. So, do you recommend people to not take natty boosters? Or, to space them out more?
Same questions for oh, say, a test cycle. Asking for a friend.
I wouldn't mind being on TRT if I knew it was permanent. Never been on cycle and have only tried DAA x1mo once and a PR-XT/Nolvadren run.
superbeast668
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If you have a healthy HPTA it doesn't seem like the natty boosters give much of a boost. Using something to free up test would be much more beneficial IMO.
As far as coming off a cycle, DAA is great. Your numbers are tanked. It can't hurt even if it doesn't help a lot.
RegisterJr
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What do you mean by "free up test", and what does that?
superbeast668
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I'm not good at explaining it, but my basic understanding is test will bind to the AR, which is good, and other receptors like on SBHG and I think there's a few others, which you'd rather not have happen. You want your AR filled. That's where steroidal growth comes from is there's more hormone to bind to the androgen receptor to help with growth.
If someone wants to jump in and take this over id appreciate, I understand it just suck at the explanation lol.
jimbuick
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I couldn't tell if they unlocked, but the two typically go hand in hand.
Besides that the only thing I see is the hips rising before the bar moves, this comes mostly from your hips being too far down at the start. What I would suggest (and it may help with the "falling back" cue) would be to press your hips back instead of down (like a GM) to grab the bar and then begin the pull.
Typically, that point where your hips rise too before the bar moves is where they should be when you start (and starting them there will make it easier to keep your core tight and back flat throughout the movement).
bean5er
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Same boat here bud. Pretty good job though
. I'm sure Chris will chime in this is right up his alley.Very good insight Jim. I have the same problem when I do conventional deads. Sumo is totally different for me.
pete8407
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Damn hell of a workout! Looks like the Barbarian is treating you well!
bean5er
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Macros today 307 284 73 Just shy of 3k cals Bro day tomorrow
Definitely washed out today. Up 3 lbs from yesterday and watery as all hell. So I either ate too many carbs or should've waited a day or two more. I guess I'll fall back to one carb up a week for now or maybe every 5 days not really sure.
If I hadn't been so damn dumb to set my goal what it is I'd no what to do but I'm kinda lost at the moment haha.
Looked pretty damn good yesterday, today not so much.
Bro day was nice today, although tbh I'm still not a fan of a solo arm day at all. It's the only part of meadows program I don't like. I've never really been a fan of "Arm days" I'd rather hit bis with back and tris with chest.
pete8407
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Doing some research and I'm really liking the meadows routines! If you wanted to bring up your arms do you think that they need a day on there own?
superbeast668
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I fully believe if you REALLY wanted to bring them up yes. The heavy hard "indirect" bicep and tricep work from chest, shoulders and back ate great for heavy arm work and the individual day is like it's own speed/high volume work so essentially they'll be hit 2x a week. The shock from that will definitely spark growth.
I also believe that there can be differences between people. I know guys that'll do one ISO at the end of back and 1 on chest day and their arms dwarf mine.
pete8407
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That's what I figured. I don't do any arms on chest and back day. I figured they got enough from my lifts but I do have an arm day.
MrKleen73
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I thought it was funny.
Definitely kicking in and I weigh in tomorrow I think I am growing in spite of my low calorie intake.
Yes definitely, just like Beast said the extra arm day is great, another way to get the same effect without an isolated extra arm day would be to do triceps with back, and biceps with chest. Then they are fresh when getting worked and they both get worked twice a week. Plus their is something to be said for working opposing muscle groups in a single workout is synergistic. It increases the overall muscle fiber recruitment.
On the test "boosters" that actually free up testosterone basically as Beast said bound testosterone is counted in your total T Levels however bound testosterone can not bind to the receptors. SHBG is what binds to test that keeps it from being active. These supplements bind to the SHBG with high affinity keeping it from binding to the testosterone. So in effect they increase your active test and several of them by a pretty good margin. Just don't stay on them. Use for 8 weeks and take 8 weeks off.
MrKleen73
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Yeah Mr crazy biceps I would love those beasts!
Definitely works well. The arms can handle the higher frequency as long as you don't have issues with them...
superbeast668
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Is there any 0 carb casein?
pyrobatt
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Milk isolate?
MrKleen73
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Yep Milk isolate like Pyro said. Pick it up at truenutrition in bulk the Complete Milk Isolate is 80 Micellar Casien Isolate and 20% Whey Isolate. You can add your own flavor or get it without flavor and just add it into whatever you want. It is what I have been using lately well a mix of that and the super grade whey concentrate.
wasme
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Cause you sir are a FREAK
Hyde
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That's dedication. I'm not there yet. If I go, I'm smashing. Too bad I go so often lol
superbeast668
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Mad respect on that kinda self control.
Yeah bro... Catered Italian Thursday for lunch, tonight was bro in laws bday at longhorns. I put down some grub tonight.