Fit for February 14th... Or Dead Lift in a DRESS!!!

MrKleen73 said:
So there is a bit of a new development I will be running Xcel Barbarian FX Mass when I get home. Gonna be a hefty stack and should do the trick nicely it has 25 Mg halodrol - 25 Mg DMZ - 5 mg MSten and 20 Mg Max LMG per cap at 2 caps a day. Also has 20 Mg carbopol to slow release the hormones. It is supposed to get more bio availability and not be as hard on the liver.
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Wow that sounds rough bro. You starting a log for it?
 
Revival said:
Wow that sounds rough bro. You starting a log for it?
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I will be at Swoldiers where I got it. Otherwise just updating in here like I have been.
 
Macros Friday

300p
109c
78f

Today was back traps

Great lift today kept a fast pace.

6ish weeks left. Thinking about getting a bit more aggressive and going to either the hi med med low repeat cycle or straight to a 5 low 2 high rotation.

I will still be keeping most all carbs after 4pm except intra wo carbs. I've honestly never felt better doing it this way.

Going to run EPI at 50mg for 5 weeks and throw tren in for the last 30 days @ 180mg plus another week or so after EPI.
 
bean5er said:
I'm open to suggestions lol. I ran EPI at 60 loved it.

Wanted to run EPI for 6 weeks for sure. I have plenty between EPI smash and havoc. Not sure on the tren though. I've got one bottle super trenabol and two bottles of trenavar. I know common doses for tren are anywhere from 150-220
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I ran it up to 60 and had to roll back to 50 as my nose bled every day from blood pressure at 60...

bean5er said:
Flexibility is huge I loved yoga actually when I did it. How long did u end up running the Msten? How would you rate it?
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I ran Msten-RX... was great. But I ran at 30mg / day not 20mg.. (had some advice from a couple of guys here and they were spot on)

PalmFist said:
Oops. Its actually 2 Reaper DNA, 7 pumps dermacrine, 12.5 exem, 25 or 50 torem (need to look at the dose), Ai cycle support.

Msten was great. I'll do a write up Tonight
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Always been curious about Reaper, but that 90mg of Epi a day sounds like a tonne

bean5er said:
Going to run EPI at 50mg for 5 weeks and throw tren in for the last 30 days @ 180mg plus another week or so after EPI.
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Excited to see how this plays out for you Bean
 
MrKleen73 said:
Awesome work. Sounds like things are kicking in my friend. Had a good workout Thursday waiting for my boy to wake up so we can go to the gym. Last night was a long night out on 6th street. Good thing no methyls have been started because as I knew would be the case we have been doing a good bit of drinking. Food choices have not been great but I am as full as a tick. Coming down to the wire now guys the next six weeks after I get back are going to be all seriousness.
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Alright you said the magic word. I need to get down to Austin and hit 6th street up! Bourbon street was killer and I've heard 6th makes it sound like an absolute toilet.
 
superbeast668 said:
Alright you said the magic word. I need to get down to Austin and hit 6th street up! Bourbon street was killer and I've heard 6th makes it sound like an absolute toilet.
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I'll be there New Year's Eve. Wife surprised me with a hotel booking yesterday :)
 
wasme said:
I ran it up to 60 and had to roll back to 50 as my nose bled every day from blood pressure at 60... I ran Msten-RX... was great. But I ran at 30mg / day not 20mg.. (had some advice from a couple of guys here and they were spot on) Always been curious about Reaper, but that 90mg of Epi a day sounds like a tonne Excited to see how this plays out for you Bean
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Should be fun! I bridged my last epi run with SD. SD gave me bad BP issues. I blew the fock up tho.

I'm excited about this had to pickup two more bottles of tren as I wasn't aware it had to be ran that high. Shoulda just ordered tren ace for less money lol.

Montego1 said:
I'll be there New Year's Eve. Wife surprised me with a hotel booking yesterday :)
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Very cool buddy.
 
kleen that new designer your bringing in sounds intense man. that should be some serious gainage there.


just reworked some numbers. going to start a full on carb rotation monday along with sd at 10mg a day. macrorotation will be around 350p 115c 70 fat on low carb days. on carb up days ill be looking in the ball park of 250p 500c and i should be able to stay under 40g fats. it'll be 4 days low carb, on the 5th day i'll be hitting a refeed.

other notes, anabolics are defnitely doing something. i've upped my tren dose to 150 a day, will go to 200 a day when i start using the blackstone labs stuff. irritability and body temp seem a bit higher than the norm. also my sleep is fantastic. for about 3.5 hours a night. then i'm wide the f*ck awake. thank you trenbolone. on last look body fat was 15% flat on the calipers. when we started this i was at 16.8-17 depending on carbs the day of measurement. i'll be checking again on friday. i may also check the scale not that that's an accurate anything since i'm not trying to lose weight.
 
Montego1 said:
I'll be there New Year's Eve. Wife surprised me with a hotel booking yesterday :)
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Sweet I just got back home. Had a great time now back to business tomorrow.
bean5er said:
Should be fun! I bridged my last epi run with SD. SD gave me bad BP issues. I blew the fock up tho.

I'm excited about this had to pickup two more bottles of tren as I wasn't aware it had to be ran that high. Shoulda just ordered tren ace for less money lol.



Very cool buddy.
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Yeah if you are allowed on the real deal then that would be the way to go.

superbeast668 said:
kleen that new designer your bringing in sounds intense man. that should be some serious gainage there.


just reworked some numbers. going to start a full on carb rotation monday along with sd at 10mg a day. macrorotation will be around 350p 115c 70 fat on low carb days. on carb up days ill be looking in the ball park of 250p 500c and i should be able to stay under 40g fats. it'll be 4 days low carb, on the 5th day i'll be hitting a refeed.

other notes, anabolics are defnitely doing something. i've upped my tren dose to 150 a day, will go to 200 a day when i start using the blackstone labs stuff. irritability and body temp seem a bit higher than the norm. also my sleep is fantastic. for about 3.5 hours a night. then i'm wide the f*ck awake. thank you trenbolone. on last look body fat was 15% flat on the calipers. when we started this i was at 16.8-17 depending on carbs the day of measurement. i'll be checking again on friday. i may also check the scale not that that's an accurate anything since i'm not trying to lose weight.
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Sounds great and yeah the Barbarian FX mass should do the trick for sure. Speaking of it was in my mailbox today when I got home!
 
LEG DAY baby. Last day in this gym. Starting fresh at new gym tomorrow.

Warmup 7 min

Leg curls. 2-3 warmup sets followed by
4x10
With a triple drop x8

Leg Press plus bands. I went with a firmer band than I had been using instead of adding more weight
3x12/11/9

Smoked

BB Squats 3 sec decent just parallel
3x11/10/10

Hack Squat machine
Pyramid up to a hard 10 do 2 sets then
Drop x10
Drop x 10
Drop x10 15 sec rest then dropped feet down and hit 10 tear drop buster

Absolutely fried at this point I had people looking at me funny. I almost puked as well.

DB SLDL
3x12

Great session today. Strength was up a bit along with endurance.
Was dripping wet through my hoodie and sweats. Today was first day using knee wraps and what a difference as far as support and my knee pain was none existent. Obviously allowed me to use a bit more weight.
 
Nice workout Bean... glad to hear the knee wraps were so effective - going to have to look into getting some myself.
 
Nice Work Bean!

So today was my first day doing the Myo Reps and I have to day I liked it. I chose to break it down into a 3 day split that I will cram into 2 times a week for the most part. At least today was the dry run at that. I wanted to allow for working things twice a week and still get in cardio. Today went very well in that respect.

Today the Rep scheme was 15-20 + 15 with 5 breathes between each mini set.
I did 2 warm up sets on the first exercise then one and none for Biceps since they were definitely warm by the time I got to them.

Warm Up 5 minutes on Rowing Machine
Tempo 2-1-0
Wide Neutral Grip Cable Rows - 105x20, 150x15, 165x15 +5 +5 +5
Wide Grip Lat Pull Downs 150x15, 165x15 +5 +5 +5
Wide Grip Drag Curls - 50x15 +5 +5 +5
Rear Delt Machine 70x15, 90x16 +5 +5 +5

Everything was done very strictly and I was pumped up like nobodies business and talk about quick paced. I may actually have time to make this into the 2 day split that is listed and still get cardio in since I got through this in in what seemed like just over 20 minutes. I can tell you my muscles were working their ass off with this one. Definitely liked it curious to see how it plays out as the reps get lower / weights get heavier. I can go up to 10 breathes in between which will allow for some serious strength / growth.

Cardio
Stair Mill 5 minute Warm up 10 minutes HIIT 20 second Intervals @ levels 3 & 18
Stationary Bike 10 minutes at level 10.
Abs 3 sets of Crunches to failure.
 
MrKleen73 said:
So today was my first day doing the Myo Reps and I have to day I liked it. I chose to break it down into a 3 day split that I will cram into 2 times a week for the most part.
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Looks like a good layout, and those are some really high reps. Curious to see how leg day looks.


iparatroop said:
It's actually 80mg epi, 400 furaza and 50 tvar with some other goodies thrown in there. Sounds like serious back pumps to me.
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My bad... (on the epi mg). Back and calves pumps, and bp issues for this guy lol

Is 50 tvar low though or on point?
 
bean5er said:
Nice work Kleen. Interesting layout
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Thanks!
wasme said:
Looks like a good layout, and those are some really high reps. Curious to see how leg day looks.




My bad... (on the epi mg). Back and calves pumps, and bp issues for this guy lol

Is 50 tvar low though or on point?
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Thanks! I think the TVar is just tossed in for its ability to help lean you up even at low doses more than to be anabolic. However if it were stand alone that would not even be close for most people. I did notice it at 60mg a day though but nothing like what you see with Montego1 or anything. That is for super dosing.

So a little more about my layout as it is right now. I am mostly trying to get in my cardio and the extra boost lifting can give on a close to daily basis. So this will basically be a 3 on 1 off workout plan for a bit.

The split as I have it set up now is 3 days but may be changed to a 2 day split or a 3 day full body depending on recovery ability. For now I will try to perform the 3 day split 3 days on 1 day off 3 days on 1 day off.

Day 1 - Cable Rows, Lat Pull Downs, Biceps Curl, Rear Delts - HIIT
Day 2 Decline or Dips for Chest, Shoulder Press, Triceps, Shoulder Raises - HIIT
Day 3 Dead Lifts, Leg press, Calves + accessories
OFF or LISS
Day 4 - Chin Grip Lat Pull Down, Meadows Rows, Preacher Curls, Rear Delts - HIIT
Day 5 - Flat Bench or Dips for Chest, Borge Presses, Skull Krushers, Side Raises Machine - HIIT
Day 6 - Squats, Leg Press, Calves, and Accessories
OFF or LISS

Squats and Dead lifts are not done with the Myo Reps layout due to the fact they would be rather dangerous so they are 3-4 straight work sets. I may do the Squats with a Widow Maker though because i am a little masochistic...

As far as Rep ranges they change weekly almost in an HST progression. The Chin grip pull downs will graduate to to full blown chins probably next week or the week after.
Week 1 20-25 + 20 I skipped this week because I wanted the program to be wrapping up when this was done.
Week 2 15-20 +15 mini sets of 5,5,5
Week 3 12-15 +16 mini sets of 4,4,4,4
Week 4 12-15 +16 mini sets of 4,4,4,4
Week 5 9-12 + 15 mini sets of 3,3,3,3,3
Week 6 9-12 + 15 mini sets of 3,3,3,3,3
 
MrKleen73 said:
Thanks! Thanks! I think the TVar is just tossed in for its ability to help lean you up even at low doses more than to be anabolic. However if it were stand alone that would not even be close for most people. I did notice it at 60mg a day though but nothing like what you see with Montego1 or anything. That is for super dosing. So a little more about my layout as it is right now. I am mostly trying to get in my cardio and the extra boost lifting can give on a close to daily basis. So this will basically be a 3 on 1 off workout plan for a bit. The split as I have it set up now is 3 days but may be changed to a 2 day split or a 3 day full body depending on recovery ability. For now I will try to perform the 3 day split 3 days on 1 day off 3 days on 1 day off. Day 1 - Cable Rows, Lat Pull Downs, Biceps Curl, Rear Delts - HIIT Day 2 Decline or Dips for Chest, Shoulder Press, Triceps, Shoulder Raises - HIIT Day 3 Dead Lifts, Leg press, Calves + accessories OFF or LISS Day 4 - Chin Grip Lat Pull Down, Meadows Rows, Preacher Curls, Rear Delts - HIIT Day 5 - Flat Bench or Dips for Chest, Borge Presses, Skull Krushers, Side Raises Machine - HIIT Day 6 - Squats, Leg Press, Calves, and Accessories OFF or LISS Squats and Dead lifts are not done with the Myo Reps layout due to the fact they would be rather dangerous so they are 3-4 straight work sets. I may do the Squats with a Widow Maker though because i am a little masochistic... As far as Rep ranges they change weekly almost in an HST progression. The Chin grip pull downs will graduate to to full blown chins probably next week or the week after. Week 1 20-25 + 20 I skipped this week because I wanted the program to be wrapping up when this was done. Week 2 15-20 +15 mini sets of 5,5,5 Week 3 12-15 +16 mini sets of 4,4,4,4 Week 4 12-15 +16 mini sets of 4,4,4,4 Week 5 9-12 + 15 mini sets of 3,3,3,3,3 Week 6 9-12 + 15 mini sets of 3,3,3,3,3
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Tvar stacked with epi still needed about 120 to fully notice effects IMO.
 
Montego1 said:
Tvar stacked with epi still needed about 120 to fully notice effects IMO.
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I'm up to 150 now stacked with furaza and I honestly haven't noticed much. When I run out of the lgi caps I'll be dosing the same amount of caps with blackstone. Hopefully 240mgs is the sweet spot lmao.
 
superbeast668 said:
I'm up to 150 now stacked with furaza and I honestly haven't noticed much. When I run out of the lgi caps I'll be dosing the same amount of caps with blackstone. Hopefully 240mgs is the sweet spot lmao.
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It was slow to me. I didn't notice a ton at 120 but could feel it. At 210 it's crazy.
 
superbeast668 said:
I'm up to 150 now stacked with furaza and I honestly haven't noticed much. When I run out of the lgi caps I'll be dosing the same amount of caps with blackstone. Hopefully 240mgs is the sweet spot lmao.
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Might be for sure...
Montego1 said:
It was slow to me. I didn't notice a ton at 120 but could feel it. At 210 it's crazy.
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That is because you are a lean beast!

Contemplating low dose of Winny to counteract the lethargy from 50mg DMZ who thinks 25-50mg of Winny should rock that?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Might be for sure... That is because you are a lean beast! Contemplating low dose of Winny to counteract the lethargy from 50mg DMZ who thinks 25-50mg of Winny should rock that?
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I'd imagine any dht is good. I've never used winny to give you advice on that aspect of it though.
 
wasme said:
What about using Stano?
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i honestly dont think stano is strong enough from reports i've heard. im sure if its dosed high enough it'd put a dent in it but imagination puts that dosage in the 2 gram range. i've personally never used it as well to give first hand experience advice. i usually destroy caffeine if im getting lethargic. and i usually use test but dmz made me a slug on test as well.
 
wasme said:
What about using Stano?
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It helps in the 1200-1500 range but even then it wouldn't touch what Winny would do. Only concern is that Winny is also a methyl so you see why I am not too sure about adding it. I may not even need it but we shall see.
superbeast668 said:
i honestly dont think stano is strong enough from reports i've heard. im sure if its dosed high enough it'd put a dent in it but imagination puts that dosage in the 2 gram range. i've personally never used it as well to give first hand experience advice. i usually destroy caffeine if im getting lethargic. and i usually use test but dmz made me a slug on test as well.
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Yeah some people get crazy lethargy.
Montego1 said:
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I may just have to go to him then if it is only a drive out every few months.
 
Holy jeebus. Week 7 legs...

SLDL 4x10@225

Lying leg curl 3x15

Leg press 3x10-banded since I didn't have them the first 6 weeks. Used the middle bands. Barely hit 6 reps with 6 plates. Popped the bands did 3 more

3x6 squats with 3 sec neg. puke city.

Hacks 4 x10

At the moment I'm 50g pro short and 10g fat short of daily goals. Gonna smash 10oz chicken breast in an hour or two with a spoonful of olive oil
 
MrKleen73 said:
It helps in the 1200-1500 range but even then it wouldn't touch what Winny would do. Only concern is that Winny is also a methyl so you see why I am not too sure about adding it. I may not even need it but we shall see.

Yeah some people get crazy lethargy.

I may just have to go to him then if it is only a drive out every few months.
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You drive out one every three months for bloods then again in a few days for office visit.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Might be for sure... That is because you are a lean beast! Contemplating low dose of Winny to counteract the lethargy from 50mg DMZ who thinks 25-50mg of Winny should rock that?
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How long would you plan on running winny+DMZ? Dem methyls man, liver could take a beating.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Only concern is that Winny is also a methyl so you see why I am not too sure about adding it.
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If you were only using it as a base imo 25mg would suffice, I would however be going in for liver function tests every couple weeks if your going to run it with 50 mg of dmz. 50mg whinny dried me up like a mother****er but 25mg was great.
 
Montego1 said:
You drive out one every three months for bloods then again in a few days for office visit.
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Got ya. Not too bad if I schedule it right but I have another lead to a bodybuilder friendly HRT specialist who is on Richmond. Owner of Metroflex recommended...
iparatroop said:
How long would you plan on running winny+DMZ? Dem methyls man, liver could take a beating.
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Don't really want too. I have one bottle of 4-AD I could hit up since it converts to test. Plus I intend to see an HRT specialist mid cycle to get Test levels run so maybe I can rock HRT by the end of this and not lose my gains.
Lukef2000 said:
If you were only using it as a base imo 25mg would suffice, I would however be going in for liver function tests every couple weeks if your going to run it with 50 mg of dmz. 50mg whinny dried me up like a mother****er but 25mg was great.
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Yeah that is my concern, I will be taking a lot of TUDCA in the form of Bulk TUDCA and LGI Damae Control which has both TUDCA and SAM-E in it. Not to mention my 180 count bottle of Liv.52. Definitely watching the liver!!!!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Got ya. Not too bad if I schedule it right but I have another lead to a bodybuilder friendly HRT specialist who is on Richmond. Owner of Metroflex recommended... Don't really want too. I have one bottle of 4-AD I could hit up since it converts to test. Plus I intend to see an HRT specialist mid cycle to get Test levels run so maybe I can rock HRT by the end of this and not lose my gains. Yeah that is my concern, I will be taking a lot of TUDCA in the form of Bulk TUDCA and LGI Damae Control which has both TUDCA and SAM-E in it. Not to mention my 180 count bottle of Liv.52. Definitely watching the liver!!!!
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I need to find an hrt clinic in my neighborhood. Or move to Texas. Know anywhere that's hiring electronics techs? Lmao.

Loving the damage control right now kleen. I scooped two bottles and I plan to run it the full 8 weeks I'll be on. Two weeks in and with bad eating and moderate drinking last week no bp issues, liver function seems good, no back pumps (just started methyls today I will never recommend drinking while on).
 
MrKleen73 said:
Got ya. Not too bad if I schedule it right but I have another lead to a bodybuilder friendly HRT specialist who is on Richmond. Owner of Metroflex recommended...

Don't really want too. I have one bottle of 4-AD I could hit up since it converts to test. Plus I intend to see an HRT specialist mid cycle to get Test levels run so maybe I can rock HRT by the end of this and not lose my gains.
Yeah that is my concern, I will be taking a lot of TUDCA in the form of Bulk TUDCA and LGI Damae Control which has both TUDCA and SAM-E in it. Not to mention my 180 count bottle of Liv.52. Definitely watching the liver!!!!
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Yeah lemme know the low down on that Dr in Richmond.
 
superbeast668 said:
I need to find an hrt clinic in my neighborhood. Or move to Texas. Know anywhere that's hiring electronics techs? Lmao.

Loving the damage control right now kleen. I scooped two bottles and I plan to run it the full 8 weeks I'll be on. Two weeks in and with bad eating and moderate drinking last week no bp issues, liver function seems good, no back pumps (just started methyls today I will never recommend drinking while on).
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You started methyls on NYE? So you are not going to drink tonight or you saying you just don't tell others they should drink on them?

I won't lie I will have a couple drinks on them if a special occasion. I may have a few glasses of red wine tonight, and I will more than likely have a few drinks on my birthday February 1st.
Montego1 said:
Yeah lemme know the low down on that Dr in Richmond.
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Unfortunately I seem to be developing what feels like a sinus infection. Woke up this morning feeling pretty rough and the sore spot where my nose meets my throat was more pronounced. Started the saline rinse hopefully I nip it in the bud. If not I may take a day or two off but don't want too. I missed hitting the gym today and not sure if one will be open for tonight. May try to hit some weights in my garage if it isn't too cold and I am feeling better. Otherwise I will just pick up where I left off tomorrow or pull a 2 a day. Who knows, I keep feeling bit warm not sure if it is from the designer or what. Getting sick now would really suck!
 
MrKleen73 said:
You started methyls on NYE? So you are not going to drink tonight or you saying you just don't tell others they should drink on them?

I won't lie I will have a couple drinks on them if a special occasion. I may have a few glasses of red wine tonight, and I will more than likely have a few drinks on my birthday February 1st.
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I have had a drink or two while on as well. I usually just take an extra dose of liver support. (not sure if it really would make a difference).
 
MrKleen73 said:
You started methyls on NYE? So you are not going to drink tonight or you saying you just don't tell others they should drink on them? I won't lie I will have a couple drinks on them if a special occasion. I may have a few glasses of red wine tonight, and I will more than likely have a few drinks on my birthday February 1st. Will do! Unfortunately I seem to be developing what feels like a sinus infection. Woke up this morning feeling pretty rough and the sore spot where my nose meets my throat was more pronounced. Started the saline rinse hopefully I nip it in the bud. If not I may take a day or two off but don't want too. I missed hitting the gym today and not sure if one will be open for tonight. May try to hit some weights in my garage if it isn't too cold and I am feeling better. Otherwise I will just pick up where I left off tomorrow or pull a 2 a day. Who knows, I keep feeling bit warm not sure if it is from the designer or what. Getting sick now would really suck!
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Started yesterday on methyls lol. I strongly recommend not drinking on any AAS but def not methyl AAS. Excessive alcohol consumption could cause increases in bp, so can steroids. I think it's part of what killed my cousin 13 years ago.

I'm not a big fan of drinking on the "drunk " holidays like NYE, st paddys etc. never been a fan of crowds. I may have a sip of gin tonight since a good friends dad bought me a bottle for Christmas when he found out I was bringing him some aged Jameson. But probably not.
 
superbeast668 said:
Started yesterday on methyls lol. I strongly recommend not drinking on any AAS but def not methyl AAS. Excessive alcohol consumption could cause increases in bp, so can steroids. I think it's part of what killed my cousin 13 years ago.

I'm not a big fan of drinking on the "drunk " holidays like NYE, st paddys etc. never been a fan of crowds. I may have a sip of gin tonight since a good friends dad bought me a bottle for Christmas when he found out I was bringing him some aged Jameson. But probably not.
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I am like you. Never been a big NYE guy. I might have a beer or two this evening, but that will be about it.
 
Well I'll be playing boxing with my son tonight haha. Wife got us gloves for Xmas.

Completely missed my alarm today woke pissed and to too it off I have a very tired crabby forgetful prego wife lol. Fun times.

We are supposed to get off early today so I'm going to hit up chest and shoulders after work hopefully.

Kleen I hope you feel better buddy
 
wasme said:
I have had a drink or two while on as well. I usually just take an extra dose of liver support. (not sure if it really would make a difference).
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Drinking causes inflammation which can block the bile ducts when the toxins can't get out it causes problems. TUDCA keeps the bile ducts open so the toxins can be excreted instead of doing further damage so increasing the TUDCA could possibly aid in that situation but really just the improved bile flow keeps the damage from methyls minimal. Unlike other liver products that work to repair the damage once done TUDCA prevents a lot of it from ever occurring. Drinking one night during a methyl run isn't going to hurt someone with otherwise healthy liver but I would definitely get in water while drinking to keep things flowing. Just don't try doing it every weekend. It isn't a healthy option.

PS I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice just sayin...
 
superbeast668 said:
Started yesterday on methyls lol. I strongly recommend not drinking on any AAS but def not methyl AAS. Excessive alcohol consumption could cause increases in bp, so can steroids. I think it's part of what killed my cousin 13 years ago.

I'm not a big fan of drinking on the "drunk " holidays like NYE, st paddys etc. never been a fan of crowds. I may have a sip of gin tonight since a good friends dad bought me a bottle for Christmas when he found out I was bringing him some aged Jameson. But probably not.
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Yeah I don't recommend excessive consumption regardless. Just for myself I am not sweating having a couple glasses of red wine especially day 2 of a methyl run with TUDCA on my side. Either way good for you in planning not too.

On another note what did your low carb days end up looking like macro wise?
 
If the liver is so sensitive, it shouldn't be called a liver. It should be called a pu$$y, and a pu$$y should be called a liver, since the pu$$y is the giver of life.
 
Man this place moves fast. Take off for a couple days and come back to 50 post to catch up on. Nothing new to really report on this end. Started ECA stack on Tuesday. Dosing 12.5 mg with 200 mg caffeine 3x a day. Thinking of jumping right to 25mg though because I dont really notice anything on 12.5. What would be better jumping to 25mg eph. Or sticking at 12.5 but maybe bumping caffeine up to say 300mgs?
 
iparatroop said:
If the liver is so sensitive, it shouldn't be called a liver. It should be called a pu$$y, and a pu$$y should be called a liver, since the pu$$y is the giver of life.
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You sit are the winner today :-)

Danb2285 said:
Man this place moves fast. Take off for a couple days and come back to 50 post to catch up on. Nothing new to really report on this end. Started ECA stack on Tuesday. Dosing 12.5 mg with 200 mg caffeine 3x a day. Thinking of jumping right to 25mg though because I dont really notice anything on 12.5. What would be better jumping to 25mg eph. Or sticking at 12.5 but maybe bumping caffeine up to say 300mgs?
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I'd keep caffein at 200 and just bump the E up to 25.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Drinking causes inflammation which can block the bile ducts when the toxins can't get out it causes problems. TUDCA keeps the bile ducts open so the toxins can be excreted instead of doing further damage so increasing the TUDCA could possibly aid in that situation but really just the improved bile flow keeps the damage from methyls minimal. Unlike other liver products that work to repair the damage once done TUDCA prevents a lot of it from ever occurring. Drinking one night during a methyl run isn't going to hurt someone with otherwise healthy liver but I would definitely get in water while drinking to keep things flowing. Just don't try doing it every weekend. It isn't a healthy option.

PS I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice just sayin...
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Oh ya... I actually never drink to excess anymore and always have water on hand. Also add to that I might have a drink or two once a month these days.. Might have given off the wrong impression there lol.

Feel better Chris.
 
iparatroop said:
If the liver is so sensitive, it shouldn't be called a liver. It should be called a pu$$y, and a pu$$y should be called a liver, since the pu$$y is the giver of life.
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I wanna eat your liver... just doesn't have a nice ring to it lol

Danb2285 said:
Man this place moves fast. Take off for a couple days and come back to 50 post to catch up on. Nothing new to really report on this end. Started ECA stack on Tuesday. Dosing 12.5 mg with 200 mg caffeine 3x a day. Thinking of jumping right to 25mg though because I dont really notice anything on 12.5. What would be better jumping to 25mg eph. Or sticking at 12.5 but maybe bumping caffeine up to say 300mgs?
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As Bean said... 200/25 x 3 ... you could add 5mg of Yohimbine HCL to each dose too
 
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