Fit for February 14th... Or Dead Lift in a DRESS!!!

[MrKleen73]

Great info in there. DC training also included 30 second static holds along with painful weighted stresses to get extra fatigue and damage stimulus so that helps when the playing field. Both are fantasticly optimized programs so I wouldn't expect myoreps to out pace DC by much if at all. Honestly it comes down to which ever system a particular individual does better on in the long run. DC I'm sure burns alot of people out.

I'd love to get those PDFs if you dont mind. I have read an article that was translated from him about his system but I'm sure four PDFs will be much more through.

Sure send me you address and yeah the static holds to stretch the fascia was a big part of it with DC and part I loved. I still add them in sometimes. This guy gives Dante a lot of credit for DC training, definitely in no way bashes it. I found I ended up with some injuries to tendons and what not with the beat the log mentality. I am more mentally tough than my body can withstand in that respect. Of course I am about to be 41 so I have to watch what I am doing. I think for me personally I may get more out of this just by being able to keep at it longer without injury.

He has you start at 20-25 reps or as it says 20-25 + 20 wich ends up being 20-25 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5. So the weights are lighter which will be great since my biceps tendon is currently bitching at me. Although the reps drop pretty quickly but should give me time for rest with all the higher reps in the beginning. So it kind of progresses along the lines of HST in that respect. Also the minisets are lower on biceps & triceps so that will be like 15 total after the 20-25.

I may very well do the Widow Makers on squat days instead of straight sets...

thanks for pasting that up clean. looks like an awesome program. after today i've got 6 more weeks on mountain dog. i'm tossing the idea around of going dc when im done. that makes the decision difficult!

rev, you could add the dc static holds/stretches into that program just as easily. i think because of the rest pause set up in what kleen has outlined, there may be a slight bit more volume and a bit more pump than DC. i honestly dont think any program will outpace any other out there anymore these days. even a simple wendlers 5-3-1 for a few cycles will put good meat on your bones if your nutrition and intensity is there. the biggest thing is not cheating ones self. push as much weight as you can to TRUE failure in any program like you're supposed to and you will grow.

Well you don't really even have to go to true failure on higher volume stuff just keep increasing the weight, even if in micro increments like a lb or two. It all adds up.

Can add static stretches and weighted holds in any program if you like pain

Yeah Buddy and I do!

Just gonna leave this here. The IIFYM explanation is hilarious lol pocket muffin!

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Yeah this was great. I watched it yesterday I think.

 

[PalmFist]

Bro day from pg 33-34 of the manual. All bicep and tricep work with time under tension, slow negatives, drop sets, squeezing and full ranges. Killer workout and a wicked pump

Standing Swiss Bar Curls against bands, 3X1 tempo, 5-7____5-7____5-7____5-7____5-7____ Cable EZ Bar Curls, 8-12____8-12____8-12____ Barbell Curls w/chains, 10____10____Max____Drop____Drop____ Single Arm DB Preacher Curls, 15+____15+____15+____ Close Grip Bench Press against bands, 3X1 tempo, 5-7____5-7____5-7____5-7____5-7____ Single Arm Overhead DB Extension, 8-12____8-12____8-12____ Dips w/ chains from belt, 10____10____Max____Drop____Drop____ Rope Pressdowns, 15+____15+____15+

 

[MrKleen73]

Bro day from pg 33-34 of the manual. All bicep and tricep work with time under tension, slow negatives, drop sets, squeezing and full ranges. Killer workout and a wicked pump

Standing Swiss Bar Curls against bands, 3X1 tempo, 5-7____5-7____5-7____5-7____5-7____ Cable EZ Bar Curls, 8-12____8-12____8-12____ Barbell Curls w/chains, 10____10____Max____Drop____Drop____ Single Arm DB Preacher Curls, 15+____15+____15+____ Close Grip Bench Press against bands, 3X1 tempo, 5-7____5-7____5-7____5-7____5-7____ Single Arm Overhead DB Extension, 8-12____8-12____8-12____ Dips w/ chains from belt, 10____10____Max____Drop____Drop____ Rope Pressdowns, 15+____15+____15+

Nice work out!

 

[MrKleen73]

Worked arms today and other than tomorrow this was the last "Normal" workout I have planned. However we shall see how things go in Austin this coming week. I may wait to start until I get back start the 30th with the new workout.

Today Was more time under tension, mind muscle connection type work. My biceps tendon is really being a pain in the ass so I wanted to hit it with less weight. I was hoping to have some triceps left for chest and shoulders tomorrow well see because I ended up tearing them up pretty good.

Cross Body Curls 2-1-2 tempo slightly shorter ROM at bottom so as not to over stretch the tendon. 20x10, 25x10, 30x10, 30x10

Rope Extensions - 2 second flex and hold, 2 second negative - 70x12, 90x12, 90x10, 80x10 negatives and holds made a difference here for sure.

Preacher Curls 2 second flexes and negatives - 50x12, 60x10, 70x10, 75x10 - Ouch these were burning like a mofo!

Strict JM Press 3 second negatives and 1 second hold at top but no lockout - 95x12, 115x10, 155x10, 165x9 - hard to believe how much more these directly smash the triceps compared to simple CGBP. I am shocked every time I bring them back into the mix.

Wide Grip EZ Bar Curls 3 second negatives with 1 second flex at top - 70x12, 85x8, 80x8 last rep was 20 second negative. Grip was actually outside the knurls on the bend that you typically don't grip.

Skulls w/ Arms back at 45 degree angle stop just before lockout 2 second negatives and 1 second hold at top - 65x15, 65x12, 65x10 - last few on last set was no hold at top couldn't do it. My arms were looking pretty big when this was over. I was almost feeling like I big boy again.

Tomorrow I get to train with Montego1 and jimbuick pretty excited will be a chest and shoulder day and I looked at it the program calls for ass kicking! Going to put these triceps to the test trying to keep up with these guys after this arm workout. Oh and I get to have some carbs after!!!!!!!

I have some big changes coming up to my diet when I get back from Austin. Been running a bit low and we are going to start working towards ramping things up. Oh and of course I plan start some methyls as well. Here comes the BOOM!!!!

 

[Revival]

Today is the end of day 13 of 1800 cals and my enegery was in the dumps today. Had to help someone move too which didn't help. Think it can be too early for a refeed? I'm not lean maybe down to 15%ish. Tomorrow is the day I usually do my free meal but was thinking about switching it out to a low fat 400 carb refeed. Not sure if it would be better to just have a free meal so I can have more fats and some booze without worrying about fat gains. Either way I'm thinking 2000-2100 cals starting next week.

 

[JD261985]

Today is the end of day 13 of 1800 cals and my enegery was in the dumps today. Had to help someone move too which didn't help. Think it can be too early for a refeed? I'm not lean maybe down to 15%ish. Tomorrow is the day I usually do my free meal but was thinking about switching it out to a low fat 400 carb refeed. Not sure if it would be better to just have a free meal so I can have more fats and some booze without worrying about fat gains. Either way I'm thinking 2000-2100 cals starting next week.

I remember when my caloric intake was 1800 cals wow...lost 25 pounds in about 8 weeks..too low for me I lost a ton of fat and water but also strength and mass..it was my first cut and didn't know what I was doing

 

[PalmFist]

it was my first cut and didn't know what I was doing

Hindsight's a bìtch and I know exactly what you're talking about

 

[MrKleen73]

Today is the end of day 13 of 1800 cals and my enegery was in the dumps today. Had to help someone move too which didn't help. Think it can be too early for a refeed? I'm not lean maybe down to 15%ish. Tomorrow is the day I usually do my free meal but was thinking about switching it out to a low fat 400 carb refeed. Not sure if it would be better to just have a free meal so I can have more fats and some booze without worrying about fat gains. Either way I'm thinking 2000-2100 cals starting next week.

At 200 lbs I think it is a damn good time to have a refeed. A few drinks no big deal, and with the deficit you are in 400 grams of carbs and some fats is not going to hurt you man. What ya got in mind for your free meal. You can simply incorporate your free meal as part of the refeed and keep the rest of the day clean.

I remember when my caloric intake was 1800 cals wow...lost 25 pounds in about 8 weeks..too low for me I lost a ton of fat and water but also strength and mass..it was my first cut and didn't know what I was doing

Yeah it is a bit low total I can see it for 2 weeks as a kick in the ass but then you gotta stoke the fire and come back up a little higher.

Hindsight's a bìtch and I know exactly what you're talking about

Yes Sir! Completely agree here.

 

[superbeast668]

Coffee drinkers rejoice! The guys that make ISO pure protein are making java pro. Espresso with a hint of mocha or French vanilla. I believe the label said isolate. 3 scoops is 40g pro 4c 3f. The vanilla is in my cup right now.

Abs calves and HIIT yesterday. 10 sets calves. 7 standing 3 on the donkey machine. 3 sets till fail on the wheel of death 9 minutes on the bike. I set it up like a spin class. My partner dropped early so I know it was tough.

 

[Revival]

Thanks i am starting my refeed today. My free meal was maybe going to be a big box of thai spicy noodles with mixed meats but I will actually forgo that since I dont want to hit 100+ g of fat for today. I just read over Lyle's guide to flexible dieting reed chapters this morning and will be following his recommendations to limit fat to no more than 50G. He actually mentions this several times lol. Looks like a cat 2 dieter working out intensely 3 days a week he reccomends 670 carbs at my lbm.

So far I have had 4 servings of pancakes, 1.5 servings of syrup and a shake for breakfast.

Macros for breakfast are 68p/216c/22f
So half my fat is down. I dinner will be a big bowl of gnocci with salt and a tiny bit of butter which I can't wait for. Love me some gnocci. Thinking about lifting today since I'm carbing up so much not sure. My last pull day was Tuesday so I'm good there. Did push day on friday but my lower back feels pretty good so I'm probably good to go for some pulls.

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[bean5er]

Well. First laxed diet day for me. It was all lack of prep tbh. Was beat today and went with the kiddo and wife to breakfast and basically are my carb and fat allowance for the day at breakfast. No idea what macros will be today. Been eating chicken and greens the rest of the day to salvage but I already feel bloated as **** lol.

Minor hiccup is all food is being prepped as we speak back to it tomorrow.

 

[Montego1]

Well. First laxed diet day for me. It was all lack of prep tbh. Was beat today and went with the kiddo and wife to breakfast and basically are my carb and fat allowance for the day at breakfast. No idea what macros will be today. Been eating chicken and greens the rest of the day to salvage but I already feel bloated as **** lol.

Minor hiccup is all food is being prepped as we speak back to it tomorrow.

Back on track! Thank God for my higher carb allowance on training day or the post workout meal I had would have shot that all to Hell lol.

 

[Danb2285]

Quick back and shoulder day today.

Partiel lat raise-30 sec rest- head back looking up
20-25
25-25
30-15
20-20

Flat BB bench 3 second descend 2 second pause on chest explode up-45 sec rest
185-9
185-7
165-6

WG BB OH press-30 sec rest
65-10
65-8
65-7

Incline cable fly's-30 sec rest
15-13
15-11
20-7

Deficit push ups/ band pull apart-30 sec rest
3 sets didn't keep track

7 mins HIIT cardio

In and out pretty quick today. Gonna start adding another day of cardio in.

 

[MrKleen73]

Had a great workout with Montego1 and jimbuick today.

We crushed it and I didn't right everything down but went pretty well. Even after working triceps yesterday I didn't embarrass myself too bad.

Highlights
HS Incline - last 2 work sets 160x6, and 180x4 then drop sets to 135, and 90 per side.
Incline Bench no lockouts worked up to 225 or 230x6
Wide Grip bench 175X15, 13 then I don't remember if I went down or tried again. then banded over and backs after each set
Stretch Pushups 3 sets to failure then banded over and backs after each set
Bend Over Rear Delts 25x10 x4
Neutral Grips Shoulder press and I don't remember we were all having to drop weight on that one. then banded over and backs after each set
Ultra Wide Grip Shoulder press 12 at 45, 11@65, 11@65, 12@65
Destroyers - 42.5x60, 25x30, 10x10

Was a beast of a workout then we went to Ghengis Grill for my first carb meal in a while. probably 1.5 cups rice and 1 lb + of chicken and beef with 2 eggs added for good measure! This was only second meal of the day so... I kept going with carb replenishment the rest of today. All in all I would say I got in just under 250 grams today and 300p, 60-65g fats. Not a bad day at all. I am filling up and I like it. Back on the low carb grind tommorrrow...

Monte has 1 or 2 vids of me putting in some work he may post up or send to me so if so we will see things in action.

 

[Montego1]

BENCHIN!

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[Montego1]

Swingin!

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[MrKleen73]

Thanks Monte! Man I cant wait to lean up and fill up. Not used to seeing myself that small. I couldn't even get a pump until after we started the shoulder stuff. However I had a pump and vascularity by the time I got home! Gotta love what food can do...

 

[bean5er]

You guys killed it by the looks of things. Very cool to see some AM bros get together and do what we all love!

 

[Montego1]

Thanks Monte! Man I cant wait to lean up and fill up. Not used to seeing myself that small. I couldn't even get a pump until after we started the shoulder stuff. However I had a pump and vascularity by the time I got home! Gotta love what food can do...

Due time brother! I pushed myself pretty hard today. Nothing left in the tank by the end of the session lol.

 

[jimbuick]

Due time brother! I pushed myself pretty hard today. Nothing left in the tank by the end of the session lol.

Except for those extra raises and **** you did at the end when we were done lol

 

[Montego1]

Except for those extra raises and **** you did at the end when we were done lol

Rofl what can I say. I was in the zone.

 

[MrKleen73]

You guys killed it by the looks of things. Very cool to see some AM bros get together and do what we all love!

Oh it was a blast!

Due time brother! I pushed myself pretty hard today. Nothing left in the tank by the end of the session lol.

No doubt, I am feeling it today, not bad but feeling it. My triceps however are officially FRIED!!! Hitting then the day before then pounding them on chest yesterday they are just done! I had a great workout too like you said nothing left in the tank by the end. Surprised I did as well as I did. Next time I will do even better and look a little more like my old self!

 

[bean5er]

Leg day Phase 2 week 4

Warmup 5 min.

Hammy Curls
2 w/u sets
4x15/12/9/6

Leg Press + band tension
3w/u sets progressing up to a hard 8
3x10

BB Squats just below parallel
3x16/15/12

Tear Drop Ext (feet wide toes out) (hard kick with 1 sec squeeze)
3x9

DB SLDL (barbells were all taken at this point)
3x10

Seated calves
10x10

Smoked!!

Notes- sweating like a pig today after my food derail yesterday. I'm very curious to get my MD bands because with the bands I use at my gym I was able to go a lot heavier than I anticipated on leg press.

 

[MrKleen73]

I think I wrecked myself yesterday I am beat today, ready to curl up in a ball and sleep but I am at work so no go there...

 

[Montego1]

I think I wrecked myself yesterday I am beat today, ready to curl up in a ball and sleep but I am at work so no go there...

Rofl! I'm about to slay my back. My rear delts are a tad right and my chest is wonderful Oh the joys of extra stuff

 

[Danb2285]

Work schedule got changed this week so.I'm working 1st shift instead of 2nd. So that meant a 5 am bro day this Morning. Actually felt pretty good. Could definitely get used to this.

Cross body hammer curls -30 sec rest 5/5 alternation
20-10
20-10
20-10
40-10
35-10
30-12


OH cable ext-30 sec rest
50-12
50-12
45-10
45-9

HS preacher curl- 30 sec rest
65-12
75-8
65-8

BW dips-30 sec rest
15
12

Ez bar 3 second negative curls-weight not including bar 30 sec rest
50-8
50-6

Incline tri ext EZ bar-30 sec
55-15
55-12
Took 60 second rest
55-15

 

[superbeast668]

Well. First laxed diet day for me. It was all lack of prep tbh. Was beat today and went with the kiddo and wife to breakfast and basically are my carb and fat allowance for the day at breakfast. No idea what macros will be today. Been eating chicken and greens the rest of the day to salvage but I already feel bloated as **** lol. Minor hiccup is all food is being prepped as we speak back to it tomorrow.

I did the same damned thing :-(.

Had a great workout with Montego1 and jimbuick today. We crushed it and I didn't right everything down but went pretty well. Even after working triceps yesterday I didn't embarrass myself too bad. Highlights HS Incline - last 2 work sets 160x6, and 180x4 then drop sets to 135, and 90 per side. Incline Bench no lockouts worked up to 225 or 230x6 Wide Grip bench 175X15, 13 then I don't remember if I went down or tried again. then banded over and backs after each set Stretch Pushups 3 sets to failure then banded over and backs after each set Bend Over Rear Delts 25x10 x4 Neutral Grips Shoulder press and I don't remember we were all having to drop weight on that one. then banded over and backs after each set Ultra Wide Grip Shoulder press 12 at 45, 11@65, 11@65, 12@65 Destroyers - 42.5x60, 25x30, 10x10 Was a beast of a workout then we went to Ghengis Grill for my first carb meal in a while. probably 1.5 cups rice and 1 lb + of chicken and beef with 2 eggs added for good measure! This was only second meal of the day so... I kept going with carb replenishment the rest of today. All in all I would say I got in just under 250 grams today and 300p, 60-65g fats. Not a bad day at all. I am filling up and I like it. Back on the low carb grind tommorrrow... Monte has 1 or 2 vids of me putting in some work he may post up or send to me so if so we will see things in action.

That looked fun!

I need to get my partner to video tape my lifts and post a few. It's helpful to see weak points and such.

 

[Montego1]

I did the same damned thing :-(.

That looked fun!

I need to get my partner to video tape my lifts and post a few. It's helpful to see weak points and such.

Man we had a blast. Between Jim's A.D.D. and Kleen's jokes it was very entertaining to say the least lol.

We ALMOST got to see Kleen swell up in an allergic reaction due to a shrimp in his post workout meal too! Lol

 

[bean5er]

Work schedule got changed this week so.I'm working 1st shift instead of 2nd. So that meant a 5 am bro day this Morning. Actually felt pretty good. Could definitely get used to this. Cross body hammer curls -30 sec rest 5/5 alternation 20-10 20-10 20-10 40-10 35-10 30-12 OH cable ext-30 sec rest 50-12 50-12 45-10 45-9 HS preacher curl- 30 sec rest 65-12 75-8 65-8 BW dips-30 sec rest 15 12 Ez bar 3 second negative curls-weight not including bar 30 sec rest 50-8 50-6 Incline tri ext EZ bar-30 sec 55-15 55-12 Took 60 second rest 55-15

Nice buddy. Gotta love bro days

 

[bean5er]

Oh and btw my little binge yesterday netted me +5 lbs this am

 

[superbeast668]

Oh and btw my little binge yesterday netted me +5 lbs this am

Bet your just tighter and nice and carbed up man wouldn't sweat it much.

 

[bean5er]

Bet your just tighter and nice and carbed up man wouldn't sweat it much.

Actually you're right bud. A touch if water but mostly tight and very full. Legs looked crazy this am and I was strong as fock. Last set of squats I hit 315x12 after those brutal leg presses.

 

[superbeast668]

Actually you're right bud. A touch if water but mostly tight and very full. Legs looked crazy this am and I was strong as fock. Last set of squats I hit 315x12 after those brutal leg presses.

Your a fugging beast.

 

[bean5er]

Your a fugging beast.

Haha hardly but I did feel like one today

 

[bean5er]

Oh yeah putting in an order for a new belt md bands and wrist wraps. Cannot wait

 

[jimbuick]

Man we had a blast. Between Jim's A.D.D. and Kleen's jokes it was very entertaining to say the least lol.

We ALMOST got to see Kleen swell up in an allergic reaction due to a shrimp in his post workout meal too! Lol

A.D.H.D*


Edit: I don't actually have A.D.H.D.

 

[wasme]

Everyone is putting in work here I see. Will check out the vids from the Texas 'round up' once power is restored at home.

 

[MrKleen73]

Dan nice Bro day!!!!

I did the same damned thing :-(.




That looked fun!

I need to get my partner to video tape my lifts and post a few. It's helpful to see weak points and such.

Wait are you insinuating I am weak? Okay Okay... just a lil bit right now...

Man we had a blast. Between Jim's A.D.D. and Kleen's jokes it was very entertaining to say the least lol.

We ALMOST got to see Kleen swell up in an allergic reaction due to a shrimp in his post workout meal too! Lol

Now that is the wrong way to get a food pump!

Nice buddy. Gotta love bro days

They are fun indeed.

Actually you're right bud. A touch if water but mostly tight and very full. Legs looked crazy this am and I was strong as fock. Last set of squats I hit 315x12 after those brutal leg presses.

Sweet I don't think I can do that right now. Still feeling my squatting out to see what I can do without hurting myself.

Haha hardly but I did feel like one today

A.D.H.D*


Edit: I don't actually have A.D.H.D.

Not diagnosed anyway...

I know a girl I thought was a schizophrenic but she told me she knew I was wrong because one of the voices in her head said she was perfectly normal.

Everyone is putting in work here I see. Will check out the vids from the Texas 'round up' once power is restored at home.

Hope that happens soon, bad weather?

 

[MrKleen73]

Rofl! I'm about to slay my back. My rear delts are a tad right and my chest is wonderful Oh the joys of extra stuff

When I get back from Austin 6 weeks of madness begins along with carb cycling. Trying to decide how I am gonna run it down. I think I am going to start with

SD @ 10mg Weeks 1, 2 & 3
DMZ @ 15mg weeks 1-6
M-Bol 25 @ 50-75mg weeks 1, 2 & 3
TRITON = 10mg Epi, 50mg 11-OXO, 200 Stano per cap 3 times a day for weeks 3, 4, 5, & 6

I may add more MBol too this and run all the way through or I may just get some caber and add in some type of OTC Tren.

 

[superbeast668]

Dan nice Bro day!!!! Wait are you insinuating I am weak? Okay Okay... just a lil bit right now... Now that is the wrong way to get a food pump! They are fun indeed. Sweet I don't think I can do that right now. Still feeling my squatting out to see what I can do without hurting myself. Not diagnosed anyway... I know a girl I thought was a schizophrenic but she told me she knew I was wrong because one of the voices in her head said she was perfectly normal. Hope that happens soon, bad weather?

Nah man. Your a tough ol geezer. Lmao


If wasme saw similar weather to us south of the border we had 2 foot of snowmelt a ton of rain then a sudden temp drop...

Dietary savvy dudes I got a question that kind of confuses me. A lot of the literature I see gives values of your macro ratios for high and low carb days. Quite often the fats portion confuses me. Like in one of Shelby Starnes' book I just read. His low day he says .15-.35g fat which for me is roughly 70g. His high carb day he says keep it low. Now, on a 70g day I struggle to keep it under just based on traces from normal foods like chicken breast and whey shakes and a bit of almond milk. Now, should I eat an additional 70g worth of fat on top of the traces from chicken and whey and such or is that the hard total? I also have the question about carbs, do you count green leafies towards your dailies? I mean, how many fat vegetarians do you see?

 

[superbeast668]

When I get back from Austin 6 weeks of madness begins along with carb cycling. Trying to decide how I am gonna run it down. I think I am going to start with SD @ 10mg Weeks 1, 2 & 3 DMZ @ 15mg weeks 1-6 M-Bol 25 @ 50-75mg weeks 1, 2 & 3 TRITON = 10mg Epi, 50mg 11-OXO, 200 Stano per cap 3 times a day for weeks 3, 4, 5, & 6 I may add more MBol too this and run all the way through or I may just get some caber and add in some type of OTC Tren.

Tren is treating me quite wonderfully dosed at 130mgs a day. Unfortunately I don't think after conversion it compares to 50mg eod of tren ace... I've got zero sides, I'm atrributing my leaning out to the t3 mostly (15% via calipers). Unfortunately trendione is expensive with little cost to rewards from it. I'm thinking of saying f it and getting the real deal and finishing off this run at 50mg ed. Mbol, you'll love it if you're lean. Dry and hard. Great look. Looks like a dht more than a 4chloro type of result. I loved it at 100 a day.

 

[bean5er]

Nah man. Your a tough ol geezer. Lmao If wasme saw similar weather to us south of the border we had 2 foot of snowmelt a ton of rain then a sudden temp drop... Dietary savvy dudes I got a question that kind of confuses me. A lot of the literature I see gives values of your macro ratios for high and low carb days. Quite often the fats portion confuses me. Like in one of Shelby Starnes' book I just read. His low day he says .15-.35g fat which for me is roughly 70g. His high carb day he says keep it low. Now, on a 70g day I struggle to keep it under just based on traces from normal foods like chicken breast and whey shakes and a bit of almond milk. Now, should I eat an additional 70g worth of fat on top of the traces from chicken and whey and such or is that the hard total? I also have the question about carbs, do you count green leafies towards your dailies? I mean, how many fat vegetarians do you see?

First I've never counted veggies. Never been told to either and I've talked to quite a few people about it.

As far as the fat thing I'm going to let Kleen answer this. I've heard numerous opinions on this

 

[superbeast668]

First I've never counted veggies. Never been told to either and I've talked to quite a few people about it. I'm going to let Kleen answer this. I've heard numerous opinions on this

I was almost certain on not counting veggies but I'm doing that second guessing thing even after a 2% loss.. I'm inside of my own head and it's a scary fing place

 

[bean5er]

Tren is treating me quite wonderfully dosed at 130mgs a day. Unfortunately I don't think after conversion it compares to 50mg eod of tren ace... I've got zero sides, I'm atrributing my leaning out to the t3 mostly (15% via calipers). Unfortunately trendione is expensive with little cost to rewards from it. I'm thinking of saying f it and getting the real deal and finishing off this run at 50mg ed. Mbol, you'll love it if you're lean. Dry and hard. Great look. Looks like a dht more than a 4chloro type of result. I loved it at 100 a day.

I'm tempted to say **** it and get the real deal as well. 75mg EOD. I do have Super trenabol from BSL that has my curiosity and EPI so who the hell knows

I was almost certain on not counting veggies but I'm doing that second guessing thing even after a 2% loss.. I'm inside of my own head and it's a scary fing place

It is scary I know all too well lol. As far as fats if you're within 5g or so I wouldn't worry about. There's not much fat in chicken I typically just cut out things like a whole egg or two or half the nuts or half avocado etc to allow for my lower fat days. I'm keeping my fat and protein constant though.
I also eat leaner meats on these days. If your goal is say 70g, as long as you are consistently coming in around 70-75 or so you'll be fine IMO. But I could be wrong wouldn't be the first time lol

 

[MrKleen73]

Nah man. Your a tough ol geezer. Lmao


If wasme saw similar weather to us south of the border we had 2 foot of snowmelt a ton of rain then a sudden temp drop...

Dietary savvy dudes I got a question that kind of confuses me. A lot of the literature I see gives values of your macro ratios for high and low carb days. Quite often the fats portion confuses me. Like in one of Shelby Starnes' book I just read. His low day he says .15-.35g fat which for me is roughly 70g. His high carb day he says keep it low. Now, on a 70g day I struggle to keep it under just based on traces from normal foods like chicken breast and whey shakes and a bit of almond milk. Now, should I eat an additional 70g worth of fat on top of the traces from chicken and whey and such or is that the hard total? I also have the question about carbs, do you count green leafies towards your dailies? I mean, how many fat vegetarians do you see?

For the most part I do not count green leafy or fibrous veggies, or peppers unless sweet peppers I look at.
On the really high carb days he expects you to have the absolutely minimum fat you can get. Think turkey breast, isolate powders and super lean fish like tuna and such.

Tren is treating me quite wonderfully dosed at 130mgs a day. Unfortunately I don't think after conversion it compares to 50mg eod of tren ace... I've got zero sides, I'm atrributing my leaning out to the t3 mostly (15% via calipers). Unfortunately trendione is expensive with little cost to rewards from it. I'm thinking of saying f it and getting the real deal and finishing off this run at 50mg ed. Mbol, you'll love it if you're lean. Dry and hard. Great look. Looks like a dht more than a 4chloro type of result. I loved it at 100 a day.

Yeah not sure on the Tren due to cost and be more importantly I am very gyno sensitive. I liked MBol last time to help out. Contemplating increasing EPI and adding enough MBol to finish it out at a nice dose.

First I've never counted veggies. Never been told to either and I've talked to quite a few people about it.

As far as the fat thing I'm going to let Kleen answer this. I've heard numerous opinions on this

Depends on how anal you want to be but really if they are green fibrous no reason. Just either don't count them all the time but be consistent in what you take in, or count them every time. If you always eat a cup of green beans then always eat a cup no need to count. If you have 1 sometimes and 2 another time you may want to but really still no need... I wouldn't wait time worrying about them unless you thrive on the incidentals.

I was almost certain on not counting veggies but I'm doing that second guessing thing even after a 2% loss.. I'm inside of my own head and it's a scary fing place

Well you are doing well so keep rocking it big dog! No need to count them unless you want to be OCD about them. They are calorically insignificant. The fiber that can be digested only provides maybe 2 calories worth some of which is burned digesting it, and the insolubale fiber provides nothing but greasing the shoot.

 

[superbeast668]

Thanks gents.

Bean, BSL trenabol is what I've got. I'm thinking 200-250mg a day might be worth it judging from what 130 is like lmao. If you got it run it. I may augment injectable with oral honestly. It feels weird to cycle with literally zero sides though...

Kleen I got an awful visual when you were talking about lubing the chute.. :-/. Yucky!

 

[Danb2285]

Ive got enough test to cruise at like 200 mg for a while with an ECA stack... Hmmm

 

[superbeast668]

Ive got enough test to cruise at like 200 mg for a while with an ECA stack... Hmmm

Could be fun. Toss an oral or two in here and there and call it a long ass cycle.


Smashed my legs. In 35 minutes I did:

Leg curls 14,12,10,8+25 partials

Leg press pyramid up till I could press 8 with a narrow stance. Thank god my knee started screaming from last weeks incident at 7pps

Teardrop extensions 4x10 with 2 second holds

Split squats 3x8

SLDL 3x10

Tuna pre workout tastes like hell post btw. PUKING RALLY!

 

[bean5er]

Could be fun. Toss an oral or two in here and there and call it a long ass cycle. Smashed my legs. In 35 minutes I did: Leg curls 14,12,10,8+25 partials Leg press pyramid up till I could press 8 with a narrow stance. Thank god my knee started screaming from last weeks incident at 7pps Teardrop extensions 4x10 with 2 second holds Split squats 3x8 SLDL 3x10 Tuna pre workout tastes like hell post btw. PUKING RALLY!

Omg that's disgusting

 

[superbeast668]

Omg that's disgusting

Yeah your telling me.