First PH cycle

leworhty73

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Hi Guys, First post here we go, so 22yr old been training 5 years last 2 to 3 serious and was thinking its time to dip my toes in the ph game. Was looking for a product for a recomp during rest of summer. Currently 200lbs at 6ft around 13-14%bf diet and training in check. So i was wanting something with lower risk of sides for my first cylce so i was looking at non-methylated compounds for liver toxcity but theres still the risk of androgenic side effects and what not so cycle support/life support pre loaded and ran throughout with formadrol and trib for pct along with more healthy fats and heavy training to bring natty test levels back. So i was looking at 1,4 AD Bold-200, Propadrol ep, Delta 2 and 11-oxo if any one has any ideas advice changes or critique to any of this advice would be welcomed. Oh and i can get a serm easily if needs be but would prefer to use otc pct fot this cycle as its first and less potent compounds. Cheers
 
High dose 11-oxo @1000mg.
Katana at 450(Orastan a)

Epi @30mg for 6 weeks.

It's a first cycle. Keep it VERY SIMPLE.
 
Bold would be a safe choice. Ran for 6-8 weeks. Need a better pct though...trib isn't gonna do much. Reversitol V2 works awesome and is cheap, but if you already have your AI on hand then don't get RV2, pick something that doesn't have an AI.
DAA is cheap.

I think you would like epistane better though for a cycle. Sides are low. No estrogen sides. You'll look hard and put on some size and strength if you train and eat right.
 
Was looking at epistane but was thinking to maybe do that early next year after a non-methylated in august but not 100% yet, what dose would you take bold at to be effective and what type of gains would you expect? Also 11-oxo what type of gains would you get from that is it mainly fat loss from what ive read?
 
I'd look into Hella. I'm planning my first with hella and transaderm. I got a layout from a guy on another board.
 
sorry for jumping in. im new here. been on katanadrol for 2 days. cant sleep. i have shortness of breath. i guess its not for me. do you guys think i should still do a post cycle or after only 2 days i could just stop and cut my loses. thanks.
 
Justinb7116 said:
sorry for jumping in. im new here. been on katanadrol for 2 days. cant sleep. i have shortness of breath. i guess its not for me. do you guys think i should still do a post cycle or after only 2 days i could just stop and cut my loses. thanks.
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Ur paranoid Kat wouldn't have kicked in yet.
 
Halo xt by IML at 50/50/75/75 is also very very effective on paper and what others have posted.
 
so if i did want to stop you dont think i would need to keep using forma either. i like uppers and stims but last night was horrible. still awake. layed down last night at 1030
 
leworhty73 said:
Hi Guys, First post here we go, so 22yr old been training 5 years last 2 to 3 serious and was thinking its time to dip my toes in the ph game. Was looking for a product for a recomp during rest of summer. Currently 200lbs at 6ft around 13-14%bf diet and training in check. So i was wanting something with lower risk of sides for my first cylce so i was looking at non-methylated compounds for liver toxcity but theres still the risk of androgenic side effects and what not so cycle support/life support pre loaded and ran throughout with formadrol and trib for pct along with more healthy fats and heavy training to bring natty test levels back. So i was looking at 1,4 AD Bold-200, Propadrol ep, Delta 2 and 11-oxo if any one has any ideas advice changes or critique to any of this advice would be welcomed. Oh and i can get a serm easily if needs be but would prefer to use otc pct fot this cycle as its first and less potent compounds. Cheers
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delta 2 sucks
 
leworhty73 said:
Hi Guys, First post here we go, so 22yr old been training 5 years last 2 to 3 serious and was thinking its time to dip my toes in the ph game. Was looking for a product for a recomp during rest of summer. Currently 200lbs at 6ft around 13-14%bf diet and training in check. So i was wanting something with lower risk of sides for my first cylce so i was looking at non-methylated compounds for liver toxcity but theres still the risk of androgenic side effects and what not so cycle support/life support pre loaded and ran throughout with formadrol and trib for pct along with more healthy fats and heavy training to bring natty test levels back. So i was looking at 1,4 AD Bold-200, Propadrol ep, Delta 2 and 11-oxo if any one has any ideas advice changes or critique to any of this advice would be welcomed. Oh and i can get a serm easily if needs be but would prefer to use otc pct fot this cycle as its first and less potent compounds. Cheers
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Propadrol is liver toxic as with epistane hdrol and other suggestions. Bold is banned /discontinued so good luck finding that.

I suggest ostraine or androhard. Note on the price of androhard and ostraine: if your looking to run 11 oxo ostraine and androhard are about the same price to run a well dosed 11 oxo cycle.
 
runner_79 said:
Halo xt by IML at 50/50/75/75 is also very very effective on paper and what others have posted.
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That's a methyl haha. He's looking for non methyl.
 
pyrobatt said:
Propadrol is liver toxic as with epistane hdrol and other suggestions. Bold is banned /discontinued so good luck finding that.

I suggest ostraine or androhard. Note on the price of androhard and ostraine: if your looking to run 11 oxo ostraine and androhard are about the same price to run a well dosed 11 oxo cycle.
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Lg just put out a bold clone didnt they?

Katanadrol is said to put decent mass and fat loss on. All of the non methyls are very expensive because you have to run at high dose. If you can just find test prop or stick to the basic supps.
 
Unless you drink( then any cycle would be a waiste) epistane may me a methyl but at 30mg will do very little to liver. Typical bottle of most clones you can run 30day cycle at 30mg and most likely get away without a serm(which are easy to come by and cheaper than formadrol or rv2)
 
I am on day 13 of Epi at 40mg and am really starting to enjoy it. I have a log in the anabolics section titled IBE epistle log if you want to check it out. My weight is actually down a lb, though I am keeping carbs low and doing cardio 4x a week, and my strength is really going up. Feel harder already and no negative sides so far. Plan on doing 5 or 6 weeks depending on how I feel towards the end, and am going to use nolva for pct. This is my first PH since I was 21 (now 27) and I really enjoy it. Recommend you try it.
 
would you most definiteley need a serm with epi if it was 20/30/30/30or 40 as its serms im also unsure about at the moment like methylated ph's
 
leworhty73 said:
would you most definiteley need a serm with epi if it was 20/30/30/30or 40 as its serms im also unsure about at the moment like methylated ph's
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You need a serm with any steroids unless you want gyno small balls and no boners. Methyl or not. Period.
 
Google search " research chemicals nolvadex" you will find an easy place to buy it in the U.S. It's like 20$, cheaper and much more effective than OTC.
 
pyrobatt said:
That's a methyl haha. He's looking for non methyl.
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I knew that but he gave methyl answers himself
 
superbeast668 said:
Lg just put out a bold clone didnt they?

Katanadrol is said to put decent mass and fat loss on. All of the non methyls are very expensive because you have to run at high dose. If you can just find test prop or stick to the basic supps.
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Bold clone ohhhhh ;) elaborate. Name of clone?
 
superbeast668 said:
Airborne and valdez are both logging it currently. Have not yet caught the name of it honestly..
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2 clones.P-bold by taurus and Pro-Eq by lg which can be found.NIOCE
Idk if the LG clone is available to buy yet though.
 
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