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First PH cycle - did research, here is what I've come up with (spreasheet) CRITIQUE

ghrbrah

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Im currently 21, Ive been lifting for 3 years.

Im 6' 7" started out weighing about 165lbs/75kg (skinny as ****) and after eating a calorie surplus every day for 3 years my weight is up to around 265lbs/120kg.
My objective for this cycle is too add as much size/lean weight as possible before I do my first cut at the end of this year. My goal weight before cutting is around 280/285lbs.

I estimate my bodyfat to be around 15%, I can see the top two rows of my abs and have a minimal amount of fat around my lower abdonimals.

I'd really appreciate all contributions/suggestions/advice that anyone may have, especially regarding my pct.

One question that I do have is in regards to my training. Ive been following a westside style upper/lower split for the past 6 months and have made great progress in both my numbers and hypertrophy. However for those unfamiliar with the routine it pretty much involves maxing out on a bench related and squat related excercise once a week.

I do minimal higher repetition excercises (12-20) as part of my accesory work. As I said my main objective for this cycle is hypertrophy/size gains and strength comes second, so am I better off changing my routine to a standard boybuilding split with more volume? I have read that during pct its best to limit the volume and increase weights, so I was thinking that maybe I could do a bodybuilding split during the time I am on cycle and then revert back to my westside template powerlifting routine during pct which would inadvertently reduce the volume and increase the weights being pushed. Is this a good idea?

Thanks in advance

Here is the cycle I have planned:
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wow dude, you are a monster at 6'7" and 265. kudos on getting there naturally. now, i only say this cause you are so damn big, but you might want to start at 75 for the first week or 2, then jump to 100mg. this is all based how large you already are, ya might need a little extra. especially since h-drol is pretty mild. don't get me wrong, i loved running h-drol because pct was a breeze and i kept nearly 90% of the gains!

everything looks really good as far as pct. kill it bro
 
I'd probably look to see who else has run hdrol at your size and see how there cycle was set up, as intuitively I agree with laser. I would also consider pre loading for an extra week than you have i.e. Two weeks rather than 1. I would also consider some extra support supports if you haven't already (but sure you have) fish oil/krill oil & taurine in particular

Just my view and I'm no expert! Well done on getting to where u have naturally, that's an outstanding achievement.

Make sure your diet is absolutely on point as well, I would say you probably don't want to be 280 and much more that 15%, otherwise your cut is going to hell

Good luck bro, keep us posted on ur progress
 
cycle assist thru PCT.. nolva is harsh stuff..
 
being this is your first cycle, your hd dosing looks fine. only other thing you could add in there is some test, or something that will convert into it.
 
gwls said:
I'd probably look to see who else has run hdrol at your size and see how there cycle was set up, as intuitively I agree with laser. I would also consider pre loading for an extra week than you have i.e. Two weeks rather than 1. I would also consider some extra support supports if you haven't already (but sure you have) fish oil/krill oil & taurine in particular

Just my view and I'm no expert! Well done on getting to where u have naturally, that's an outstanding achievement.

Make sure your diet is absolutely on point as well, I would say you probably don't want to be 280 and much more that 15%, otherwise your cut is going to hell

Good luck bro, keep us posted on ur progress
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Thanks for the reply man,

I had a look at a few other threads/pages and I think I'll probably opt for something like 75/75/75/100/100/100, running 75 for the first few weeks until it starts kicking in so I can guage my next move off of that/assess tolerance or whatever.

My diet has really improved lately, its about 6k calories at the moment.
Basically its oats for breakfast and then 4 meals of steak or chicken or turkey breast with sweet potato, 4 peanut butter/honey sandwiches preworkout, train and then more meat/carbs for dinner. I usually eat a handfull of walnuts and a large amount of flaxseed oil before I go to bed (Ive started getting a bit leaner since doing this) I also have 3-4 ~500 calorie shakes spread evenly thoughout the day, with the last one being a slow release meal replacement before bed.

When Im on cycle I'll keep a close track of my weight and possibly add in another meal or shake to get some extra calories if I need them.

StangBanger said:
cycle assist thru PCT.. nolva is harsh stuff..
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Is PCT assist sufficient?

jbryand101b said:
being this is your first cycle, your hd dosing looks fine. only other thing you could add in there is some test, or something that will convert into it.
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I've got the DAA in there during the pct, do I need anything more in the way of test boosters towards the end/are there better options?
Haha I want to get my feet wet before I dive into a cycle of test


I'll start my log in about 3 weeks once I've got everything on hand.
 
i meant an outside hormone for the added test, to add to your hdrol. daa and other natural testboosters are crap best saved for pct.

4-ad rd from ams is more along the lines of what I was thinking.
 
jbryand101b said:
i meant an outside hormone for the added test, to add to your hdrol. daa and other natural testboosters are crap best saved for pct.

4-ad rd from ams is more along the lines of what I was thinking.
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I live in Australia so the number of ph's I have access to is pretty limited by customs.
I can't find anywhere in aus selling the 4-ad you mentioned but I have access to 1-ad (the bismark version), I'd have to research it some more because I really know nothing about it but is this something worth looking at?
 
ghrbrah said:
Is PCT assist sufficient?
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No PCT assist is for helping your TEST levels not to protect your liver which is the cycle assists job... run the cycle assist the whole way, cycle AND PCT.
 
^^^^ you can but i would save the cycle assist for another cycle..its expensive. cycle assist is for on-cycle sides..high bp,cholesterol,prostate...ect. no more cycle no more sides.. just use milk thistle with the serm.. its only $7 at walmart on-line and ships to your house for free..or buy it in the store. or use liv52. you will see that alot of people dont use the cycle assist thru pct...we like to save it because its not that cheap and MT or liv52 works just fine when using a serm.


oh and by the way...cycle assist is 4 caps twice a day..so 8 caps total not 4.. dose your h-drol then dose your cycle assist 3-4 horus after.


example:

8am- h drol
12pm- cycle assist
4pm- h drol
8pm- cycle assist
 
no reason said:
^^^^ you can but i would save the cycle assist for another cycle..its expensive. cycle assist is for on-cycle sides..high bp,cholesterol,prostate...ect. no more cycle no more sides.. just use milk thistle with the serm.. its only $7 at walmart on-line and ships to your house for free..or buy it in the store. or use liv52. you will see that alot of people dont use the cycle assist thru pct...we like to save it because its not that cheap and MT or liv52 works just fine when using a serm.
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I defer to no reason... he is more knowledgable than myself...
 
high blood pressure can be a side when using nolva but i never hear much about that being common..but if you want to be safe you can also use celery seed extract and hawthorn berry extract to help with high bp and cholesterol.
 
1-ad you are referring to is 1-androstenediol, and a clone of the 2nd gen ergopharm 1-ad. (1rst release was in dione form i believe)

this too would def be an add on to the cycle.

just did a quick search in some aus forums, and 4-ad by advanced muscle science isn't on the banned substance list in aus, but hdrol is fyi.

you can get 4-ad by doing a google search, Invalid Link Removed

or you can get a kit from nutraplanet that has two products that would be good to go with the hd, Invalid Link Removed

the arom x could be ran during pct along with w/e else you have.

but you should def add at least the 4-ad to that, or better yet, 4-ad & decavol rd.
 
Ull be fine with the hdrol by itself, for the ams stuff. All looks good man. Up the dosage a lil and ull be fine. Id stick to your current training program. Dont go switching routines when on and off cycle. Just do whats been working for you.
 
Haha I really didnt know which way to go on this, but every time I see someone post a hdrol or pmag otc ptc thread the main response they get is SERM SERM SERM OR GTFO.

Just going to put it out there but would an otc ptc of:

-CEL PCT assist
-SNS Inhibit - E or DS Triazole
-CEL Supress - C
-DAA or other proven test booster (or would pct assist be enough by itself?)

Be sufficient to recover from this? The only additional thing Id have to buy would be the Inhibit - E so the cost of each isnt really an issue.
 
the SERM or GTFO out is justified to the extent of we are not saying you MUST use a SERM but most believe you would be an idiot to not have it available in the event you need it. Especially being a first cycle.

You might not need it as some suggest... but how bad would it be if you didnt have it and then PCT time came and it became clear OTC wasnt cutting it for you? Do you really want to suffer while waiting for it to show up in the mail?

and yes, if OTC ONLY that looks good...
 
Bump the hdrol dosing up to 100mg +

You're tall and have a decent weight as it is....you'll be able to handle it. I'm 6'1 around 215 right now and started my hdrol cycle at 205 and have been running it at 100mg per day
 
StangBanger said:
cycle assist thru PCT.. nolva is harsh stuff..
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no.. nolva is pretty mild, if it was harsh do you really think bb'ers would run it for 10+ week durations? its comonly used for 6week PCT like 40-40-20-20-20-20. also women with breast cancer use it for years to an end at 40+ mg a day.

OP, great cycle. only thing i would suggest is bumping up the dose a little. something like 50-75-75-75-100-100 would be A LOT more beneficial. hdrol is really weak but provides really nice gains at higher doses. it wont get you big, but it will make you hard, dry, stronger.

pct + supports are perfect.
 
StangBanger said:
the SERM or GTFO out is justified to the extent of we are not saying you MUST use a SERM but most believe you would be an idiot to not have it available in the event you need it. Especially being a first cycle.

You might not need it as some suggest... but how bad would it be if you didnt have it and then PCT time came and it became clear OTC wasnt cutting it for you? Do you really want to suffer while waiting for it to show up in the mail?

and yes, if OTC ONLY that looks good...
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I ended up getting some pharm grade clomid from somebody at the gym, I think I'll just be using that rather than otc or waiting weeks for nolva to show up in the mail/get through customs before I can start. I'll post an updated spreadsheet with everything fixed up.

TheDarkHalf said:
Bump the hdrol dosing up to 100mg +

You're tall and have a decent weight as it is....you'll be able to handle it. I'm 6'1 around 215 right now and started my hdrol cycle at 205 and have been running it at 100mg per day
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I've got enough to run it at 100mg for the last 3 weeks, will do.

GLHF said:
no.. nolva is pretty mild, if it was harsh do you really think bb'ers would run it for 10+ week durations? its comonly used for 6week PCT like 40-40-20-20-20-20. also women with breast cancer use it for years to an end at 40+ mg a day.

OP, great cycle. only thing i would suggest is bumping up the dose a little. something like 50-75-75-75-100-100 would be A LOT more beneficial. hdrol is really weak but provides really nice gains at higher doses. it wont get you big, but it will make you hard, dry, stronger.

pct + supports are perfect.
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What do you think of this?
I received advice from the guy I bought the clomid off that I should run it at 50/50/25/25 and 75mg for the first 3 days of the first week of ptc. Any opinions?

Here is my new sheet
 

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Also I have both Pmag and Hdrol, Im tossing up which one to use but I'm definitely trying to bulk up so Im leaning towards the Pmag. I can use the Hdrol to cut/recomp at the end of the year.
 
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