First P-Plex Cycle...

DeFit

DeFit

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Just a little background for ya... I originally planned on bridging p-plex and m-drol for 6 weeks, but having done my research I decided to see how I would react to each separately before I bridged them. I chose p-plex first because I've read it has comparable gains to m-drol with less harshness.

Started this yesterday....

Age: 24
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 215lbs
BF:14%
Previous Cycles: Sus-500 last fall (btw, Sus is the snizzit!) didn't do a proper PCT though, ended up fine...luckily
Been training for the last 6 years, hardgainer until last fall.

Here it is:

P-plex
10x1 20x1 30x5/30/30/30
Milk Thistle (2000mg 4hrs from p-plex throughout PCT)
Hawthorne Berry (1100mg)
NOW Special Two
NOW Coral Calcium (not needed, but like it)


PCT:
Torem 120 x3 90 x4/ 60/60/30 (liquid blue stuff, better be legit...)
Formex 50/50/25/25 (Starting this on week three of cylce)
Fish oil (6g) (taken with Formex)
p5p (possiblity of progestin gyno)
bulk 1-carboxy
multivitamin
DHT blocker (any reccomendations? i wanna keep my locks)

I am hoping that I will have similar results as with the SUS. Energy was through the roof and I had excellent gains in strength/mass. I will be adding stats for lifts shortly including body measurements.

Workout schedule:
Three day cycle with Day 7 off.

Day1 Chest, Tri's, shoulders
Day2 Back, Bi's,
Day3 Legs

I will be interspersing ab workouts everyday between sets. Depending on how I do with my blood pressure, Tuesdays and Thursdays I will throw in some light cardio.

My lifts will consist of 4 sets of 6 reps. 3-4 lifts per muscle group. I really want to focus on building strength with this cycle...

If you're curious about p-plex sub away fellas!

Also, advice is always welcome...
 
wow, i just run saw palmetto and milk thistle through the cycle and the pct and pct with tamox...the oter stuff I have found to be unnecissary to myself.
 
Phera is good stuff. I went from 198lbs to currently 216lbs. Only thing is the lethargy started kicking my ass about the end of week 2. But small price to pay though!! Good luck man!
 
texastweeter said:
wow, i just run saw palmetto and milk thistle through the cycle and the pct and pct with tamox...the oter stuff I have found to be unnecissary to myself.
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yea, i've considered a simpler PCT, but I wanna make daaam sure I don't have any issues when I come off this stuff. I was lucky with my SUS cycle, but gyno scares the hell out me! However, if there are things in my PCT that are redundant then it wouldn't hurt to take them out...anyone see any problems?
 
KeepBuilding said:
Phera is good stuff. I went from 198lbs to currently 216lbs. Only thing is the lethargy started kicking my ass about the end of week 2. But small price to pay though!! Good luck man!
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Thats pretty awesome gains bro, how much of that was lean muscle?? I'm hoping I'll get away without the lethargy issue, but not sure. Whats the best way to deal with that?? I've got to much sht to do during the day to be exhausted all the time!
 
Today is day 3 and so far so good! I'm sure it was just placebo effect, but yesterday I started to feel some solid energy throughout the day. My workout was also very productive. I was able to push through without the slightest bit of muscle fatigue. Usually, I get a little tired toward the end of my workout, but then again I usually do more lifts than what's below.

Here's yesterdays stats:

8am p-plex
breakfast: whole grain cereal, banana, breakfast bar,
9:30: Kashi bar
10am half grilled chicken breast
11am half grilled chicken breast
12:30pm p-plex, 16 oz bowl of beef stew, whole wheat turkey and swiss sandwhich
3pm protein bar
5:20ish workout
7pm post workout shake
7:45 half chicken breast diced chuncks
8:30 whole grain wrap, chicken, wild rice and black beans wrap (heat it in the microwave and its the bomb)
10pm hit the sack

Workout:

Lat pulls: 160x10 180x10 210x6 210x6
Seated cable row: 180x10 210x8 210x6 210x6
Barbell Upright Row: 135x10 155x7 155x6 155x6

Standing dumbell curls: 40x10 45x6 50x6 50x6
Isolated dumbell curls: 35x6 40x6 40x6 40x6
Bent bar curls: 65x10 105x8 105x6 105x6

Abs: interspersed
flat crunches
physioball sit-ups
toe touches
hanging leg raise

I haven't decided if I will keep this exact workout for tuesdays, maybe tweak it a little. I will have two different sets of workouts for the entire 8 weeks. So, MTW will have specific exercises for each muscle group and TFS will have different exercises for the same muscle groups. I will post when I have decided those exercise...there's just so many dammd exercises to choose from...

I will try and get my measurements up on here this evening or tomorrow morning at the latest. Also I will post a before pic and then an after pic. Hopefully I'll be jacked by the end of this!
 
I'm looking at 3800cal at 40/40/20. Thats protein,carbs, fat. My body responds well to carb intake and will keep me lean for the most part. So long as I keep it clean, I should be able to put on some lean mass. I would prefer to go 50/30/20, but I think with p-plex higher carbs will work better. Thoughts?
 
That may be so re: carbs most of the time. But, with Pheraplex, I found that fat gains came more easily than normal for me. I ended up dropping carbs slightly but still kept gaining lean mass by ramping my protein intake up, eventually to the 400g range.

4 weeks were very steadily productive with PP, but NOT explosive like Superdrol. This is definately not superdrol in terms of both pros and cons IMO.
 
What kind of doses were you taking? I'll keep an eye on my BF. I definitely want this to be a clean, lean build, so if I need to take the carbs down a notch I have no problem doing it. Realistically, I'd like to achieve some BF reduction during this cycle.
 
KeepBuilding said:
Phera is good stuff. I went from 198lbs to currently 216lbs. Only thing is the lethargy started kicking my ass about the end of week 2. But small price to pay though!! Good luck man!
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good god thats a gain, what did you keep after pct? i hear the phera is pretty wet? is that true?
 
I ran 20/30/30/40/40 IIRC :think: It's not that phera is wet, as in estrogen wet. It's that it's not as great of a repartitioner as halo or SD if you know what I mean where you can eat like a hippo :head:

Btw, week 5 was totally unproductive and only made pct more difficult than it should have been. That is, it was unproductive in terms of squeaking out any more lean mass gains. If strength were my goal, there was no end in sight on this compound... whoa, I got strong :D
 
Well I'm starting a cut and bridging into epi so as of this morning I was at 212lbs. Yes it def made me hold more water. In the beginning I had a day where I felt extremely bloated like never before so that day I went to the store and grabbed estrogenex and after that didn't hold anywhere near that amount of water. My cals were up between 5000-6000 because I wanted to get huge but I did gain more fat than I wanted in the end. Nothing I can't take care of because I'm used to cutting and eating super clean. Oh and a HUGE plus, taking it did not shut me down at all!! I'm using reversitol and some other supporting supps for pct in a couple of weeks. FYI I used Magna Drol from Bosc so its phera and prostanozol. But I will def use again for a winter bulk. Any more questions feel free guys.

Just in case you're wondering it was 90mg prostanozol and 30mg phera a day total. So I was taking 3 caps a day.
 
KeepBuilding said:
My cals were up between 5000-6000 because I wanted to get huge but I did gain more fat than I wanted in the end.
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dammm, thats a lot of eating bro. :684: I hiked the AT last year and had to take in 7-8K a day and that was damm near impossible. Needless to say I lost 30+ lbs... :jaw:
 
Yeah I had such a hard time taking in those calories, most meals I felt like I was going to puke no joke. I typically love to eat but that just exhausted me and I actually couldn't wait to start cutting carbs. I couldn't imagine 7-8k, waaaaaaaaay too much food. But this winter I want to get up to 225-230lbs so I'll have to choke it down again!! As of this morning still sitting at 212 so I'm happy...
 
Alright, Day 4... I felt really tired this morning. Not sure if there is any connection, but I seem to be fine now... Yesterday was a legs day...i think I killed them.

Just so everyone knows I'm taking my p-plex at 8am/12pm/4pm then liver supps after my workout around 8ish. Vitamins in the morning and when I go to bed.

Measurements: Don't hate, I've got some work to do...

Biceps- 17.5"
Chest- 46"
Quads- 26"
Calves-16"

Yesterday's Lower Body Workout:

Barbell Squat- 225x10, 295x10, 345x10,405x5
Hack Squat- 225x10, 305x8,305x6, 305x6
Deadlift-225x10, 305x10, 305x6, 305x8
Single Leg Dumbell Squat- 60x10, 70x8, 70x6 70x6
Straight Leg Deadlift- 225x10x4

Sitting Calve Raises- 185x15-20, repeated 3 more times

As always, abs thrown in there between lifts. I realize the reps are not exact on the 6 rep plan, but I'm still trying to figure out what the max weight is I can do for 6 reps. It will level out over the next week. My legs are feeling the damage today, but I'm excited to see how quickly they will recover....

Still trying to find my camera...picture soon enough...
 
When the lethargy started to hit me I would wake up so groggy and have no motivation to get out of bed, I just felt like my body was exhausted and I wanted to sleep forever. Hope you don't get hit with it man.

Those are a lot of heavy movements in the same day!! Your body must hate you, I love it!!
 
KeepBuilding said:
Those are a lot of heavy movements in the same day!! Your body must hate you, I love it!!
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haha, yea my legs have gone on strike....tomorrow will be interesting...


Alright, yesterdays workout was solid. I'm starting to feel like the phera is kicking in a little. Noticing some of the same energy as with SUS, but not as strong. Maybe next week it will kick in more.

Workout:

Flat dumbell bench: 90x10, 95x10, 100x8, 100x6
Barbell Incline bench: 135x10, 155x10, 185x5, 185x4
Dumbell Decline fly's: 75x10, 80x10, 80x8, 80x8
Around the World: 20x10x4 (holy sht these surprised the hell out of me!:wtf1:, I started at 40lbs and dam near ripped my shoulder off...maybe I'm just a big vag, but if you do these you will be shocked at how difficult they can be... it's an awesome lift):head:

Standing Dumbell Tricep Extension: 100x10, 115x8, 115x6, 115x6
Nose Breakers: 65x10, 85x10, 85x8, 85x8
One Arm Tri Press: 70x10, 80x10x3

Trying to keep my caloric intake up....it's not that easy but doin it...:dance2:

Is Taurine good for energy AND reducing back pumps?
 
I believe taurine is good for focus and I haven't used for pumps in particular but from all the threads I've read people def use it for that.
 
I supplement with beta alinine, so taur. is out for me since they take up the same space. I always respond better with higher carb intake bulking it goes up to around 60% of total caloric intake. I always keep fat really low though. I dont have to eat a lot of cals to gain.
 
celc5 said:
I ran 20/30/30/40/40 IIRC :think: It's not that phera is wet, as in estrogen wet. It's that it's not as great of a repartitioner as halo or SD if you know what I mean where you can eat like a hippo :head:

Btw, week 5 was totally unproductive and only made pct more difficult than it should have been. That is, it was unproductive in terms of squeaking out any more lean mass gains. If strength were my goal, there was no end in sight on this compound... whoa, I got strong :D
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whats were your strength gains and how much did you maintain post cycle?
 
DeFit,
Yes taurine will help with back pumps. They get pretty wicked after about 3 weeks of Phera. I recommend starting a preload right now at about 2-3 g twice per day. You'll be glad you have it in your system just in case the pumps get bad.... at that point it'll take a heftier dosage, but they'll clear quicker if taurine is already in your system in my experience.

Stullsy,
I'd say I added about 20 pounds to most major lifts. Maybe 25 or 30 to a few bigger lifts like leg press, deads, and shrugs.
 
celc5 said:
DeFit,
Yes taurine will help with back pumps. They get pretty wicked after about 3 weeks of Phera. I recommend starting a preload right now at about 2-3 g twice per day. You'll be glad you have it in your system just in case the pumps get bad.... at that point it'll take a heftier dosage, but they'll clear quicker if taurine is already in your system in my experience.

Stullsy,
I'd say I added about 20 pounds to most major lifts. Maybe 25 or 30 to a few bigger lifts like leg press, deads, and shrugs.
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hmm not too bad. i added 40lbs to my bench, 60 lbs to my deadlift and 30 lbs to my squat on 4 weeks of estra 4 9
 
celc5 said:
DeFit,
Yes taurine will help with back pumps. They get pretty wicked after about 3 weeks of Phera. I recommend starting a preload right now at about 2-3 g twice per day. You'll be glad you have it in your system just in case the pumps get bad.... at that point it'll take a heftier dosage, but they'll clear quicker if taurine is already in your system in my experience.
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Excellent, I will grab some today. Thanks for the heads up!

WEEK 1 ReCAP
Sorry for the absence past couple of days, whole family came in town for a birthday weekend....I didn't get to lift Sat, as it wasn't practical with all the stuff going on around here. Friday's workout however was fking awesome. I'm not sure if its normal to be experiencing solid gains in the first week with phera, but I felt strong as hell! I usually burn out at the end of my workout and have to drop weight, but not Friday...it was the sht! I powered through every lift.

In terms of sides, I'm starting to feel kinda greasy everyday, but no bumps yet. :head: Don't have any lethargy either... definitely no gyno....


I've been eating my face off and think I'm hitting the 4K mark in calories still.

Friday's Workout: In order from 1st to last

Lat Pull: 180x6, 200x6, 200x6, 200x6
Upright Row: 135x8, 155x8, 175x6, 175x6
Front Raises: 35x6, 40x6, 45x6, 45x6
Seated Row: 150x6, 180x6, 200x6, 200x6
Side Raises: 30x6, 35x5, 30x6, 30x6

Zottman Curl: 30x6, 40x6, 50x6, 55x6 (really feel this one)
Drag Curl (bent bar): 65x6, 85x6, 95x6, 105x6
Dumbbell Curl: 40x6, 50x6, 50x5, 50x4

Overall, its been a pretty good week. Things definitely changed rapidly as soon as my dose went to 30g. If it's like this in week 1, I can't wait to make it to week 3!

Found my brothers camera, so I'll post a pic up today...i know, i know its a week late....so sue me. :D
 
Well, damn it's been awhile since I've posted....my apologies for falling off the face of the earth. Things have been crazy here.

Never fear though, I have kept my workout logs and routine to post on here once I was done taking phera i.e. today.

I will start with saying that I have not had any of the sides common with phera. Only one or two instances of lethargy(which was due to late nights). In terms of sleep, I had no problems. Pretty much fell right to sleep every night. No bumps at all. No hair loss, thank God. I started taking chromium picolinate to even out blood sugar levels and I never had any problems with lethargy during the day. And as of now, no signs of gyno.

The gains have been phenomenal! Every lift across the board I've experience substantial gains. Chest lifts have increased 35lbs for the same amount of reps. Biceps have increased by 20 lbs/same reps. Legs increased by 60lbs/same reps. I am truly impressed with how effective it has been. Pushing out only 6 reps per lift has been kind of annoying at times, but has paid off.

In terms of actual mass increased I definitely put on some size. The build has been clean and lean muscle gains. Hardly any water retention. Considering my macro ratios, I was pleased that I didn't take on a bunch of fat. I will post measurements asap.

Overall, the cycle has been a success. Based on how things felt on cycle, I think the PCT will go just as smooth.

I understand that everyone reacts differently to ph's, but I would give phera a two thumbs up for anyone considering this cycle.

The only Con that comes to mind on the cycle is that I was disappointed with how much my energy levels increased. This is in comparison to the SUS-500 cycle I took last fall which was like taking adderal all day....

WEEK 2-

Workouts were beginning to pick up and I could tell that the phera was in my system. Unfortunately, I picked up some bullsh*t sickness by accidentally drinking after someone who had pneumonia...yea, sh*tty... I'm still recovering from that one.

WEEK3-

This week was awesome! I had to fly to NYC all week for work, but was able to get a 1 week pass at this gym in Manhattan. My workouts this week were insane, I literally felt like I could lift any amount of weight. I just kept increasing and increasing the weight. Kinda like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable....its kinda of ironic, I actually ran into Bruce Willis at the barber in Manhattan. I wanted to ask him if he was taking phera during the filming of Unbreakable too...haha, or at least get a quote from Die Hard or something.

Week 4-

This week was not as great as week 3 for some reason. I still had some gains, but my workouts were not as intense. Could be that my body is starting to give. No worries, I've got my torem and formex to kick my ass back into gear.

I will update on my PCT when I can. Hopefully I won't have any problems with gyno...

Again, sorry for the lack of posts....I'll try and update more on the PCT...
 
before you go to sleep
 
I had a similar experience with a crash, but just a little later... it's beyond me why some people recommend these 5-6 week runs with phera :think: IMO 4 weeks is dead on, right how you did it :thumbsup:
 
UnrealMachine said:
before you go to sleep
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Thanks bro!

Celc, I couldn't agree more. I was toying with the idea of doing a 6 week phera/mdrol bridge, but I'm glad I decided to test how I would react to each, one at a time. I think I would have probably been overwhelmed taking them both...

A little help with this too, I am already getting pumped about my next cycle on m-drol. Should I wait another 4 weeks post PCT to start it? The last thing I wanna do is fk my body up by not taking enough time between cycles. Will everything even back out by then??

Btw, I loooove AM...you guys have been incredibly helpful with your feedback and advice. I really appreciate the support and continued conversation...mad props! :arms:
 
You should wait 8 weeks after your PCT to run another cycle
 
Agreed. 8 weeks after a 4 week pct would be appropriate.

Let me tell you, bridging into superdrol is no picnic. I was about 7 or 10 days into bridging from a really friendly mild Havoc cycle into Superdrol and just got knocked out like Apollo Creed in Rocky IV :o

It was bad... loooooong recovery too, maybe 3 weeks of using the original Aspire absolutely saved me in the bedroom LOL I felt like shiiz too, I don't recommend bridging into SD because of the sides. Otherwise, there's nothing on the market that's as EXPLOSIVE as SD in terms of results.

Since you have 12 weeks to study, you'll be able to clearly decide if you want to go through a SD recovery and you'll have a well thought out plan by then as well :afro:
 
celc5 said:
Agreed. 8 weeks after a 4 week pct would be appropriate.
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Damn, longer than I was thinking but good to know.

celc5 said:
It was bad... loooooong recovery too, maybe 3 weeks of using the original Aspire absolutely saved me in the bedroom LOL I felt like shiiz too, I don't recommend bridging into SD because of the sides. Otherwise, there's nothing on the market that's as EXPLOSIVE as SD in terms of results.
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Hmmm, well I'm not thrilled about setting myself up for a rough a$$ recovery from SD. I would certainly prefer to take my time and pick it up when I'm fully recovered. I like the fact that it has the reputation of being hugely explosive, but if it all fades cause I'm shut down then what's the point...


PCT info-

Torem is working wonderfully, I pretty much have morning wood every morning and get random stiffys throughout the day... :18:not to mention things are abnormally great in the sack...this stuff works...:werd:

Still staying clear of any sides and I haven't lost any gains in the gym...all in all, this is turning out to be a great cycle...

Im still feeling sick from the bullsh*t flu i picked up. I think thats why i'm feeling a little tired during the day...
 
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