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First Epi Cycle

uberjedi said:
Olympus is having a sale Aug 5th FYI
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Cool. May be a little too close to my PCT start date when you factor in shipping etc .... But I will see what I can accomplish. Still need to secure enough cash to afford the SUP3R PCT ..... then if possible I will get a bottle of STR3NGTH. I've never experienced such financial hell before and it sucks ..... but as with everything I must believe that 'this too shall pass' :)
 
Been away from the laptop for a few days.
Here is last nights log info .....

DAY #19
EP15TANE - 45mg
AR1MACARE PRO -3 caps

Back & Biceps

1. Deadlift
2x8 265lb
2x8 285lb
1x6 305lb
1x6 325lb
2. BB Row
3x12 145lb
2x10 145lb Yates Style
3. Meadows Row
4x10 Bar + 65lb
4. BB Shrugs
1x15 185lb
2x12 205lb
5. BB Curls
4x10 95lb 2 narrow, 2 wide grip
6. Db Concentration Curls
2x8 45lb
2x15 30lb w/ 6 partial reps at end of ea. set for intense pump
7. Rear Delt Flys
2x10 20lb
1x20 15lb
8. Db Hammer Curls
3x10 30lb

Good workout. Still feeling good and strong with no real side effects to speak of.
 
Ok Today is day 20 .... day off today. Feeling good. :)

DAY #20
EP15TANE - 45 mg
AR1MACARE PRO - 3 caps

No sides except for minor back pumps that the Taurine has wiped out. Feeling hungrier than usual ....
 
jaycuda said:
Sorry hear about the financial trouble but I feel you man, it's rough.

Taurine is my best friend lol
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Thanks Brother.
I realize that I am not at all alone in these trying financial times ..... life is a lot tougher in America than it used to be. Just gotta keep keeping on .... and never give up.
 
Hey man I started logging too. Check me out. It might not be informative but hopefuly funny at very least. I don't know how to link
 
Last nights info .....

DAY #21
EP15TANE - 45mg
AR1MACARE PRO - 3 caps


Legs & Abs

1. Db Goblet Squat
3x15 80lb
2. BB Front Squat
3x8 165lb
1x6 185lb
3. Sumo Deadlift
2x8 205lb
1x8 215lb
1x8 225lb
4. BB Calve Ext
1x15 205lb
2x12 215lb
5. Quad Ext.
1x20 120lb
4x12 165lb
6. Ab Routine (Consisting of crunches, oblique crunches, v-ups, leg lifts)

Good workout.
 
Ok .... today is day 22. Starting to feel libido slipping away.
Anything fairly inexpensive that I can take to mitigate this while on cycle ? DHEA tabs?

Other question ..... I hear a lot of talk about 'keeping my gains' after the cycle is finished. What is the best way to accomplish this? Supps to use? Etc ....

Thanks again Olympus Labs for this opportunity ..... great products ! :)
 
DAY #22
EP15TANE - 45mg
AR1MACARE PRO - 3 caps

Chest & Shoulders

1. BB Incline Bench
2x12 145lb
2x10 165lb
2. BB Flat Bench
1x5 185lb
1x5 215lb
1x5 225lb
3. Db Flys
3x12 45lbs
4. Seated Military Press
2x10 105lb
2x8 115lb
1x20 75lb
5. Seated Behind Neck Press
3x12 75lb
6. Db Front Raise
3x15 25lb
7. Db Lateral Raise
2x12 30lb
2x20 20lb

Ok workout considering I only got 4 hours sleep last night. Didn't feel as strong today but wasn't gonna miss a workout.
 
DAY #23
EP15TANE - 45mg
AR1MACARE PRO - 3 caps

Taking today off. Tired and sore. Need to eat and relax and recover.
And need to work on ways to generate some cash to purchase a bottle of SUP3R PCT .... got just under 3 weeks left in this cycle before I am gonna need it.
 
uberjedi said:
Are you feeling the EPI yet?
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Not really sure what I am supposed to be feeling from the Epi. I feel stronger during my workouts and I have been getting a much better pump than ever before. My muscles feel fuller and harder and are more defined ..... but other than that I am really not "feeling" anything different.
 
magnetrude said:
Have you been keeping track of your weight?
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Yep.

I am up about 8lbs since starting a little over 3 weeks ago. No BF% measurement to go on but no noticeable fat increase. Muscle looks bigger/fuller/harder.
But in continuing to answer the original question ... I am not "feeling" anything special. Am I supposed to?
 
Last nights workout .....

DAY #24
EP15TANE - 45mg
AR1MACARE PRO - 3 caps

Back & Biceps

1. Deadlift
2x8 265lb
1x8 285lb
1x8 305lb
1x6 325lb
2. BB Rows
4x12 145lb 2 sec pause and squeeze at the top
3. Db Bent Rows
4x12 50lb
4. BB Shrugs
3x12 205lb
5. Rear Delt Flys
3x12 20lb
6. Db Curls (standing)
2x8 45lb
2x15 30lb
7. Db Concentration Curls (w/ 6 partial reps at end of each set and then static hold for as long as possible)
3x12 30lb
8. Db Hammer Curls
3x12 30lb

Good workout. Great pump !! Feeling stronger every day. Deadlifts felt much easier than ever before .... time to increase the weight. ;)
 
DAY #25
EP15TANE - 45mg
AR1MACARE PRO - 3 caps

Feeling good. Sore from yesterday's workout ..... Muscles feel tight/hard and full.
Day off today. Gonna eat and relax and enjoy the AC on this hot NorCal Sunday. The kids are all playing a Call of Duty Black Ops marathon ..... perhaps I will try and play .... and get my ass kicked by a bunch of kids. ;)
 
Ok .... today is Day 27. Feeling good .... no real side effects . I have not been sleeping very well but not sure if that is because of the Epi or just the immense amount of stress in my life lately.

Still have not ordered my SUP3R PCT ..... still do not have the money for it :( I have been trying to sell off some of my things to make the cash to finish this cycle up right .... would love a bottle of STR3NGTH and EP1C along with the SUP3R PCT. I have my beloved golf clubs up for sale at the moment but in today's economy I doubt there's alot of golf being played .....

Tonight is going to be Chest/Shoulders/Tri's .... took the last 2 days off and rested. Feeling recharged and ready to hit the iron with full force now.
Just need to get some cash and all will be right with the world again ;)
 
DAY #28
EP15TANE - 45 mg
AR1MACARE PRO - 3 caps

Feeling good. No real sides to speak of. Getting a little stressed out about not yet having a bottle of SUP3R PCT and my cycle getting closer and closer to ending. I do have a bottle of Tamoxifen citrate ..... and a tub of DAA .... hopefully that will suffice if I cannot get the SUP3R PCT in time.

Last nights workout ....

Chest/Shoulders/Tri's

1. Incline BB Bench
1x12 145lb
2x10 165lb
1x6 185lb
2. Flat BB Bench
1x6 195lb
1x6 205lb
1x6 215lb
1x5 225lb
3. Db Flys
3x12 45lb
4. Seated BB Military Press
2x12 105lb
1x10 115lb
2x6 125lb
5. Upright Row - wide grip
3x10 115lb
6. Db Front Raise
3x12 25lb
7. Db Lateral Raise
3x10 30lb
8. Db Skullcrushers
4x12 30lb
9. Db Overhead Tri Ext
3x10 65lb


Good workout. Shoulders are feeling it today.
 
If you can't get sup3r pct, id try to get eliminate at least so you can have an AI to taper past your serm. Otherwise you should be good.

Maybe Nutra's August 5 sale will allow you to pick some up.
 
CT3 said:
If you can't get sup3r pct, id try to get eliminate at least so you can have an AI to taper past your serm. Otherwise you should be good.

Maybe Nutra's August 5 sale will allow you to pick some up.
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I will see what I can do. My issue is not with availability of Olympus Labs product .... its an issue with lack of funding. Experiencing the worst financial crisis of my life at the moment unfortunately.
I counted out what I have left in my AR1MACARE PRO bottle and figured that I will have about 2 weeks of that left after cycle and it has a similar profile to the SUP3R PCT as far as the AI is concerned so worst case scenario I will just use that.
 
Day 29

Just drank down a sample pack of PreCre and gearing up to go hit Back & Biceps in a few. Feeling good .... feeling strong. Was battling some minor lethargy for the past 2-3 days but after a good nights sleep last night I am feeling pretty good.
 
DAY #29
EP15TANE - 45mg
AR1MACARE PRO - 3 caps

Back & Biceps

1. Deadlift
2x8 265lb
1x8 285lb
1x8 305lb
2x5 325lb
2. BB Rows
5x10 145lb
3. Meadows Row
4x10 Bar + 65lb
4. Landmine Row
3x10 Bar + 65lb
5. Db Shrugs (high rep - pump)
3x25 50lb
6. BB Preacher Curl
3x12 65lb
7. Incline Db Curls
3x12 30lb
8. Db Concentration Curl
3x12 30lb

Good workout. Tired .... Did more rowing movements this workout .... trying to increase the volume a bit in that area.

Getting closer to PCT time and now I have a few additional questions for the more experienced guys on here. Been reading alot and have heard that after an Epi cycle especially it is a good idea to add in a Formestane product in addition to the AI thats in the SUP3R PCT ..... any input on this ? Also have heard that Reduce XT for cortisol control is a good idea to begin about the 3rd week of PCT. Hopefully I will be getting some cash tomorrow to purchase the SUP3R PCT so I will add these additional items IF and only if they really will be beneficial ..... otherwise I could use the small amount of remaining cash to purchase some protein .....

So any input would be greatly appreciated :)
 
CT3 said:
Forma would be my first choice if I were only going to choose one product.
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so you would not even go with the SUP3R PCT then ? Just a good formestane product ..... like Transform? And what are your thoughts on the need for cortisol control around week 3 of PCT? Just trying to get a general consensus here after reading and reading till my eyes hurt ;)
 
Try tagging gohard and/or reps4jesus and see what they think.

If it were me and money was tight and I had to choose one product it would be transform. My personal opinion. Just because if you did have some rebound that would help more than super pct.

If you bought super pct and ended up having some rebound then you would need to go get a stronger AI, which just means more money.
 
CT3 said:
Try tagging gohard and/or reps4jesus and see what they think. If it were me and money was tight and I had to choose one product it would be transform. My personal opinion. Just because if you did have some rebound that would help more than super pct. If you bought super pct and ended up having some rebound then you would need to go get a stronger AI, which just means more money.
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While this makes sense, I would tend to think I'd rather have the Sup3r PCT. That way you do get estrogen and prolactin control, liver protection, and some test boosters. I don't know tho, someone with more knowledge is def needed.
 
Wolfy3d2000 said:
While this makes sense, I would tend to think I'd rather have the Sup3r PCT. That way you do get estrogen and prolactin control, liver protection, and some test boosters. I don't know tho, someone with more knowledge is def needed.
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Even if it's not the most powerful, I would think some is better than none,
 
DAA is only like $12 I would think suppressing any estrogen rebound would be priority numero uno. And let's not forget the liver protection are just plant extracts. More of a we hope type deal. Go with AI
 
uberjedi said:
DAA is only like $12 I would think suppressing any estrogen rebound would be priority numero uno. And let's not forget the liver protection are just plant extracts. More of a we hope type deal. Go with AI
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Its the type of AI that is in question .... SUP3R PCT has an AI in it but I have read that it may not be strong enough in some cases and that is where the Forestane (TransFORM) would come in. But only as an 'in-case' type of situation if I do get some E rebound.

I would like to purchase the SUP3R PCT and a bottle of DermaSTR3NGTH and call it good .... but now I am wondering if I need to drop the DermaSTR3NGTH and get the TransFORM instead ? ? ? I would hate to do so and end up not needing the additional AI ....

I am in week 5 and have had pretty much zero side effects from this Epi cycle so I am wondering if that's any indication of whether or not I will need extra AI support ...... I would love a little input from the more experienced guys out there .... perhaps someone from Olympus Labs .... g0hardorgohom
 
I think it's always good to have an AI like TransFORM on hand. If you got gyno, it wouldn't be fun. Save it for your next cycle if you don't need it.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
I think it's always good to have an AI like TransFORM on hand. If you got gyno, it wouldn't be fun. Save it for your next cycle if you don't need it.
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ok .... well it looks like I will end up getting the SUP3R PCT and TransFORM then ..... cannot really afford much else. Any thoughts on something to control cortisol around week 3 of PCT like I have been reading? Naturally if money was no object I would purchase some EP1C and STR3NGTH also .... but not this go around unfortunately. I am very grateful to Olympus Labs for providing the EP15TANE and AR1MACARE PRO to me to log .... I have been loving this cycle and look forward to my next one.
 
TKC432 said:
ok .... well it looks like I will end up getting the SUP3R PCT and TransFORM then ..... cannot really afford much else. Any thoughts on something to control cortisol around week 3 of PCT like I have been reading? Naturally if money was no object I would purchase some EP1C and STR3NGTH also .... but not this go around unfortunately. I am very grateful to Olympus Labs for providing the EP15TANE and AR1MACARE PRO to me to log .... I have been loving this cycle and look forward to my next one.
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There's a guy selling Reduce XT in the supplement auction area of this forum. Would probably be your cheapest bet for cortisol control.
 
Ok...... a little behind on my log.
Here is yesterday's info

Legs & Abs

1. Goblet Squat
3x15 65lb
2. BB Front Squat
2x8 155lb
2x8 165lb
2x6 185lb
3. BB Calve Ext
3x15 205lb
4. Quad Ext.
1x20 145lb
4x12 165lb
2x8 175lb
5. Bench Dips (tri's needed a little extra)
2x25 BW
2x15 BW + 45lb plate
6. Ab Routine

Ok workout. Knees are getting sore ... probably extra sore because I did heavy deadlifts the day before.
 
DAY #31
EP15TANE - 45mg
AR1MACARE PRO - 3 caps

Feeling good. No sides to speak of. Feeling strong.
Now to purchase the few remaining items for my PCT. A bottle of SUP3R PCT and a bottle of TransFORM. Big question is should I hold off a couple more days until this big Olympus Labs sale on the 5th ? Is it gonna be worth it for the small order I am gonna make? Do I risk the items not getting shipped to my place in time to start my PCT since that is only 11 days away ? ? ?

Also gonna need a little advice on how to dose the PCT now that I will be adding in the formestane ..... do I start that right off the bat along with the Nolva and the SUP3R PCT or hold off and only use it IF I need it ? ? ?
 
Forgot to add that I am up almost 10 lbs since starting this cycle. No BF measurement on my old school scale but I do not see any noticeable BF increase in the mirror .... for what that's worth. To be honest I look a tad bit leaner. I will be posting my after pics for sure so everyone here can critique ..... ;)
 
TKC432 said:
Forgot to add that I am up almost 10 lbs since starting this cycle. No BF measurement on my old school scale but I do not see any noticeable BF increase in the mirror .... for what that's worth. To be honest I look a tad bit leaner. I will be posting my after pics for sure so everyone here can critique ..... ;)
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Heck yeah man
 
TKC432 said:
DAY #31
EP15TANE - 45mg
AR1MACARE PRO - 3 caps

Feeling good. No sides to speak of. Feeling strong.
Now to purchase the few remaining items for my PCT. A bottle of SUP3R PCT and a bottle of TransFORM. Big question is should I hold off a couple more days until this big Olympus Labs sale on the 5th ? Is it gonna be worth it for the small order I am gonna make? Do I risk the items not getting shipped to my place in time to start my PCT since that is only 11 days away ? ? ?

Also gonna need a little advice on how to dose the PCT now that I will be adding in the formestane ..... do I start that right off the bat along with the Nolva and the SUP3R PCT or hold off and only use it IF I need it ? ? ?
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Take TransFORM only if needed IMO.

Nolva 20/20/10/10/0/0
SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1
(TransFORM 2ml/2ml/2ml/1ml/1ml/1ml only if needed)
 
This may seem like a stupid question....but how will I know if I need it? Don't I risk more serious problems if I wait for signs of gyno to indicate I need the TransFORM?
 
TKC432 said:
This may seem like a stupid question....but how will I know if I need it? Don't I risk more serious problems if I wait for signs of gyno to indicate I need the TransFORM?
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I'd wait for a sign of gyno, honestly. With SUP3R PCT it shouldn't happen.

What are you referring to as "more serious problems"?
 
I always thought that once you've got gyno the only real solution involves surgery.
Is it common on an Epi cycle to need more for PCT than the SUP3R PCT? I would rather spend the money on another Oly Labs product other than TransFORM if I really really don't need it. Gonna hit the big sale tomorrow regardless and get what I can get with the limited funds I have.
 
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