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First Cycle Questions

5pyral

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I got the L3 stack from Complete Nutrition with ATS Mass-X as it was about free and thought I would give it a run. I thought this would be a good starter to get everything on par before trying something a little stronger. I mostly wanted to work on my training and diet so I could make the most out of a good cycle. A couple of questions about this stack. I am taking it with milk-thistle, hawthorne berry, and a multi-vitamin. Do I actually need the liver support with this as it is just 1,4 Andro as I understand it: Mass-x 7-trihydroxy-4-methoxyflavon? Complete Nutrition said no, but they don't seem to be on top of things. Also, my blood pressure is REALLY high while on this stack and I am trying to back that down. I have been working in cardio as well, but need more. What else can I do? It is high enough that I am getting headaches. I am a little over a week in and it is ok so far. I am up 6lbs and lifts are up quite a bit, though I bet most of it is due to my diet finally being where it should be and training hard and not the stack. I have been going light for a while after a shoulder tear and finally felt good enough to get back into it. Anyway, I won't buy this stack again, but at the very least, I am getting prepped for a good cycle and it gave me the motivation I needed to get diet and training in order. Thanks!

Mid 30s been lifting more seriously for last 5-6 years
Start: 185
Current 191.6

bf Start 15.5%
Noe 14.5% if you believe the goofy 2 handled monitor at the gym

Bench start: 225 for 5
Current: 225 for 12/ 245 for 5

Squats (also tore ligaments in knee) Start:245 for 6
Now: 285 for 5

Diet ~3700 cals clean protein and complex carbs
 
That product doesn't seem to be a prohormone, at least if that ingredient is the only ingredient in the bottle.

Better start with something like EP15TANE Perfect Cycle with a SERM like Nolva or Clomid for PCT.
 
That product doesn't seem to be a prohormone, at least if that ingredient is the only ingredient in the bottle.

Better start with something like EP15TANE Perfect Cycle with a SERM like Nolva or Clomid for PCT.
 
You said your BP is high when on this... Try Cycle Assist, or if you want a budget option... Hawthorne Berry. Cycle Assist has a lot of other good stuff in it that will help you though.
 
I appreciate the info and I normally do not shop there. I know someone who works there and got this almost free so I thought I would give it a run. The other girl that was working at the time said that it was 1,4 Andro, which it looks like it is not. If it is all natty, that's ok. I really just wanted to get my routine and diet down after having to go easy for so long before I try anything better. It has at least exceeded there and I am improving because of that. After this I will feel better that I am ready for a decent cycle. Tested BP today and it was normal again, so I don't know what's going on there.
 
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