Finally going over to the Dark Side (w/3-AD)

Andersen2026

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Lifelong natty here, but at age 60 I need something to help put on muscle quick and battle sarcopenia but not suppress. Enter Enhanced Labs 3-AD. All the benefits of a prohormone without the sides. I am ordering later today and it marks my entry into the Dark Side, albeit not very far into the Dark Side.
 
I know nothing about it.... but I gotta believe if it has a noticeable effect on true muscle mass, its also going to suppress something. Nothing is free
 
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3ad is a steroid. It should do something. If it doesn’t it’s either fake, or you’re a non responder. If it does do something (isn’t fake) it’s going to have some type of negative feedback (it’s suppressive)

The “no negative side effects” thing is a marketing ploy. If it interacts with the androgen receptor at any meaningful dose it’s going to cause some form of suppression. People have bloods posted on here to prove it.

I find a lot of positive benefits from 3ad personally . I also find the sides to be very mild. That doesn’t mean that I could just eat a bunch of it year around though and it wouldn’t tank my natural test levels or not cause some sort of health issue. For me it’s a nice little trt add on that doesn’t really cause any major health issues if I keep the length of use reasonable (I do get some intermittent acne on it and it slightly skews my lipids)

I have seen posts on here from the 3ad patent owner I believe questioning the enhanced labs product for what it’s worth . There was another product the patent holder reccomended and vouched for it being accurately dosed for what it’s worth
 
Andersen2026 said:
Lifelong natty here, but at age 60 I need something to help put on muscle quick and battle sarcopenia but not suppress. Enter Enhanced Labs 3-AD. All the benefits of a prohormone without the sides. I am ordering later today and it marks my entry into the Dark Side, albeit not very far into the Dark Side.
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Curious why about the need to put on muscle quick and battle sarcopenia part .

I like 3ad, but might be some other things more conducive to your goals. Even a solid trt dose might be if you aren’t on it. By giving more detail people can probably provide more help
 
Rockslide said:
Curious why about the need to put on muscle quick and battle sarcopenia part .

I like 3ad, but might be some other things more conducive to your goals. Even a solid trt dose might be if you aren’t on it. By giving more detail people can probably provide more help
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So I took a driving job during the pandemic as I was displaced from my career. I spent the majority of my days behind the wheel and with the gyms closed fell into an awful pattern of eating fast food and not working out. End result is I definitely lost muscle, I see it in my quads, calves, triceps. My knees began hurting and the doctor ascribes it to osteoarthritis aggravated by muscle loss. He said I must have already had the osteoarthritis and as I lost muscle the knee joints began taking the brunt of my steps. So now my missing is to put back on lost muscle and hopefully ease this knee osteoarthritis pain. I have been eating clean, taking Creatine, HMb, M-Test. I am adding the 3-AD.
 
Have you had blood work? Have you had test levels checked?

Decent chance you may be low. Some doctors who aren’t well versed in TRT aren’t going to treat anyone above 299. Some won’t treat at all. The paradigm is changing slowly on andropause though and more providers are seeing the light. There’s difference between levels of 600 and 299 but zero noticeable difference between 299 and 301 (yet insurance companies and some doctors believe that it has to be a magic number). It’s not cheap but some good hormone clinics are available through tele medicine.

I feel like the 3ad isn’t conducive to your goals. It’s suppressive and you can’t stay on it forever. It’s going to suppress your natural T levels and you are going to stop making estrogen when your test drops . Joints are going to dry out and knee hurt worse . 3ad also isn’t a good muscle builder . I would describe it as very mildly anabolic and moderately androgenic. It wouldn’t be my choice for adding muscle. It will harden muscle, make you stronger, make you want to have more sex, increase aggression in the gym but it’s not a great muscle builder

If your T levels are sub 400 most people are going to notice a difference in the gym IMO replacing levels to 800-1000 which often can be done with like 120 mg of testosterone TRT. Many clinic will prescribe like 200 mg weekly .

I’m currently prescribed 180 mg weekly of test , 60 mg weekly of deca. My clinic does anavar as well but I don’t think they will do it if you are on deca. I think my joints will benefit from the deca more than I will benefit from the var
 
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I've been doing a little research on 3AD, I absolutely am not an expert but it's hard to find good information about the stuff so I started digging a little. From my understanding, 3ad acts more like a neurosteroid, more effects on how you feel, mood and whatnot. It's a adrenal metabolite, it's not a very strong androgen and instead of shutting you down it almost looks like it could increase your testosterone because it should optimize natural testosterone through the adrenal axis, I'm speaking a little above my pay grade so don't ask me to explain too much lol, it interacts with gaba receptors in your brain and should make you feel calm and just good all around. Now this lines up with a lot of user feedback, I've heard multiple people say they feel really good when they take it. It doesn't seem to have a very strong effect on muscle building, seems like it brings on slight changes in body composition and you just kind of feel really good all the time. I'm actually thinking of running this alongside trt just for the mood boost and see what it does the blood work
 
I tried up to a gram per day... stayed on 500mgs for atleast 6 weeks then started playing around with dosages... oral only... transdermal seems to be better but it seems to only really work well when combined with androsterone
 
Rockslide said:
3ad is a steroid. It should do something. If it doesn’t it’s either fake, or you’re a non responder. If it does do something (isn’t fake) it’s going to have some type of negative feedback (it’s suppressive)

The “no negative side effects” thing is a marketing ploy. If it interacts with the androgen receptor at any meaningful dose it’s going to cause some form of suppression. People have bloods posted on here to prove it.

I find a lot of positive benefits from 3ad personally . I also find the sides to be very mild. That doesn’t mean that I could just eat a bunch of it year around though and it wouldn’t tank my natural test levels or not cause some sort of health issue. For me it’s a nice little trt add on that doesn’t really cause any major health issues if I keep the length of use reasonable (I do get some intermittent acne on it and it slightly skews my lipids)

I have seen posts on here from the 3ad patent owner I believe questioning the enhanced labs product for what it’s worth . There was another product the patent holder reccomended and vouched for it being accurately dosed for what it’s worth
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3ad is not a steroid, it's a adrenal metabolite and a prohormone, but technically it's not even a true prohormone because it doesn't convert into anything else it's just active on its own. But active as an adrenal metabolite. I don't quite understand all the ins and outs but it's not a steroid and it's s very weak androgen. I'm still very interested in it myself, but if I had to pick a compound to use to build muscle. It's something we want to use in a stack.

My main focus is actually what you said, a little TRT add on. I think TRT with 3ad and something else like epiandro or dernacrine could be a great little feel good TRT plus type thing without any consequences.

Some people say epiandro makes them shed, so that could be a potential issue in the stack.

I'm planning this as my winter cruise and hopefully it helps with mood and drive in the gloomy months
 
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Rockslide said:
We are both kind of right I think . It’s a dhea analog made in the adrenal but has anabolic and androgenic activity

What are dehydroandrostenol and dehydroandrosterone?

Prohormones are back. They are reappearing, the 'supplements' with steroids that probably don't do much, but should convert into steroids that may have an anabolic effect. Such as dehydroandrostenol and dehydroandrosterone.
www.ergo-log.com

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Yes, I've said several times it's a weak anabolic, but it's not a steroid.

Anything can be anabolic, anabolic just means muscle building,but it's very weekly anabolic.
 
For me I add a couple of lbs of glycogen. Strength goes up a little . Libido goes way up , general sense of well being , neural drive/aggression in the gym goes up some.

Sides: oily skin, intermittent acne

I know other people on here have reported similar positives, also seen people who were disappointed. I like it though. The enhanced formulations one (which I think was the same company who owned PRE) or the gainbusters/VL version seemed to be the strongest oral versions I’ve tried.
 
Rockslide said:
For me I add a couple of lbs of glycogen. Strength goes up a little . Libido goes way up , general sense of well being , neural drive/aggression in the gym goes up some.

Sides: oily skin, intermittent acne

I know other people on here have reported similar positives, also seen people who were disappointed. I like it though. The enhanced formulations one (which I think was the same company who owned PRE) or the gainbusters/VL version seemed to be the strongest oral versions I’ve tried.
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I can see why people would be disappointed, because they're thinking prohormone or steroid and big muscle gains. I've seen people get disappointed on actual gear though because they were assuming taking steroids was going to magically turn them into something they're not.
But all of the things you mentioned are things I'm looking for and things I would call mostly positive to any cycle or just normal day-to-day life.

I'd like to see a little more blood work from people on health markers and testosterone levels, but so far I've yet to see any suppression, and your the first I've heard about lipids. But at the same time, many oral supplements can effect lipids to some degree, if it's staying within range I wouldn't worry.

I wonder if using it on a full-blown cycle would still reap some of those positive mental effects given that it's an adrenal steroid and that adrenal steroids and anabolic steroids work on different pathways. I don't think the anabolic steroids could out compete it because I don't think they compete for the same receptors.
 
The feel it gives me mentally almost feels like a dbol sense of well-being with provirion like feel in the gym.

Results wise, I had more noticeable results with it before I hopped on TRT when my test was sitting borderline low. It was much more noticeable/drastic boost in that situation then it was as a TRT add-on when I still notice it on TRT I would say that it at a moderate dose of 75-100 mg it was a little less impressive than moderate to high dose 1-Andro (440 mg). Sides wise though was much much better than 1 andro which caused some anxiety, sleep problems , thermogenic effects, skewed lipids . I haven’t ran it at 150-300 mg. I do wonder if it would be impressive at that threshold , it would be very very expensive though .

I want to say someone ran it in the last year and posted pre and post bloodwork that showed LH and FSH being zero after 6-8 weeks on cycle
 
Rockslide said:
For me I add a couple of lbs of glycogen. Strength goes up a little . Libido goes way up , general sense of well being , neural drive/aggression in the gym goes up some.

Sides: oily skin, intermittent acne

I know other people on here have reported similar positives, also seen people who were disappointed. I like it though. The enhanced formulations one (which I think was the same company who owned PRE) or the gainbusters/VL version seemed to be the strongest oral versions I’ve tried.
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Sounds like it does not dry you out?
 
I believe I saw some post from the patent holder on here at some point. Who has the licensed product in oral form with good reviews?
 
Rockslide said:
The feel it gives me mentally almost feels like a dbol sense of well-being with provirion like feel in the gym.

Results wise, I had more noticeable results with it before I hopped on TRT when my test was sitting borderline low. It was much more noticeable/drastic boost in that situation then it was as a TRT add-on when I still notice it on TRT I would say that it at a moderate dose of 75-100 mg it was a little less impressive than moderate to high dose 1-Andro (440 mg). Sides wise though was much much better than 1 andro which caused some anxiety, sleep problems , thermogenic effects, skewed lipids . I haven’t ran it at 150-300 mg. I do wonder if it would be impressive at that threshold , it would be very very expensive though .

I want to say someone ran it in the last year and posted pre and post bloodwork that showed LH and FSH being zero after 6-8 weeks on cycle
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How bad did it hit your lipids?
 
zaareleq said:
How bad did it hit your lipids?
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Was pretty mild for me . Maybe 10-20% reduction in hdl and a 5-10% increase in ldl. Last time I did trt bloods I did lipids and had been off 3ad and 11kt for about 6 weeks and they were about as good as mine can be (hdl all time high is 45) - ldl was 70, hdl was 40, triglycerides were in the 50s. I do take low dose Crestor to control my ldl which runs 130-150 without it

I will add , the time that skewed my lipids I wasn’t on TRT so could have been a low estrogen from the test suppression situation that dropped the hdl to around 30 and ldl went up to around 150
 
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