Favorite Preworkout (higher stim)?

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Looking for something that is relatively higher stim, but nothing overkill --- preferably no more than 370 mg caffeine and is without any DMHA/DMAA, but open to any/all suggestions that have good performance ingredients and some great energy.
 
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Myoblox Loco.

Alpha Lion Super Human Supreme.

Always on backup: GAT Nitraflex.
 
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Juice Daddy or Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore would fit the bill for higher stim pre without DMAA/DMHA.
 
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Wild thing is stacked and although pretty comprehensive it packs a bit punch with no dmha or Dmaa. 190 views in strong alone and almost a 5/5 rating.


 
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If you want a capsule product, VasoForce Rush:

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If you want a powder, I'd say Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore by Muscle Addiction:

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DPS actually has Pump Addict on sale for 23.99 w the discount code on the page while supplies last.
 
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Another one for Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore. Just finished two and ordering two more.
 
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SNS thermagize
great energy .. stack it with stim free like cel super swole .. one cap of thermagize is more then enough

also as stated above .. pump addict ultra hardcore by muscle addiction is great



if looking for caps .. vaso force rush have been getting great reviews, ive done with bcaas and works beautifully
 
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Wild thing is stacked and although pretty comprehensive it packs a bit punch with no dmha or Dmaa. 190 views in strong alone and almost a 5/5 rating.
Also to add the taste is on point with this one!
 

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Looking for something that is relatively higher stim, but nothing overkill --- preferably no more than 370 mg caffeine and is without any DMHA/DMAA, but open to any/all suggestions that have good performance ingredients and some great energy.
6 Primatenes an aspirin and a cup of coffee.
 
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If someone really needs 650mg of caffeine to walk into a gym and have a good workout I would reconsider their diet, sleep, and external factors as to why they need that much. Blows my mind
...Especially Coming out of that ridiculous lockdown, I was/am like an animal released back into the wild...Don’t need much but loud headphones...
 
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650 mg of caffeine would have most people feeling super shitty. Completely counter productive.
5% Nutrition's 5150 formula was 505mgs. That was a shitty experience.

650mgs is probably heart arrhythmia hospital time...
 
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Not crazy on sims, but we're expecting to be starting pre-orders on All Out Ultra Edition this week


 

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Not crazy on sims, but we're expecting to be starting pre-orders on All Out Ultra Edition this week


Will definitely try this out. I’ve never been a fan of high caffeine. So this is perfect for me. Would’ve prefer if there wasn’t taurine in it but I still like taurine either way.
 
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Will definitely try this out. I’ve never been a fan of high caffeine. So this is perfect for me. Would’ve prefer if there wasn’t taurine in it but I still like taurine either way.
Excited for you to try it! Curious though, what don’t you like about taurine?
 

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Excited for you to try it! Curious though, what don’t you like about taurine?
For me personally I actually like taurine, just don’t really care for it being in my pre. Reason being I notice my body gets too relax and eventually getting that tired feeling. It doesn’t effect the results I’m getting at the gym and I’m still doing the weight that I’m sapose to be doing, so I’m not too bother by taurine since it doesn’t hurt my results. I actually dose my taurine before I sleep and notice good sleep from it. And that’s the reason being why I like taurine in general.
 

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For me personally I actually like taurine, just don’t really care for it being in my pre. Reason being I notice my body gets too relax and eventually getting that tired feeling. It doesn’t effect the results I’m getting at the gym and I’m still doing the weight that I’m sapose to be doing, so I’m not too bother by taurine since it doesn’t hurt my results. I actually dose my taurine before I sleep and notice good sleep from it. And that’s the reason being why I like taurine in general.
That sounds more like the effects of 200mg or more of L-Theanine which I'm NOT a fan of
in pre's.
 
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That sounds more like the effects of 200mg or more of L-Theanine which I'm NOT a fan of
in pre's.
Studies are generally done with a ratio roughly 2:1 theanine to caffeine - and have shown great benefits - while many of these things are subjective and there is a significant potential many of our community have a tad more tolerance to stims than your average person. But, the 225mg caffeine, plus the 200mg dynamite, plus the 100mg dicaffeine malate should offer quite a bit of kick to more than compensate for any sedative effects and should work quite synergistically for focus, mood, blood flow (yes, even blood flow - as theanine may help mitigate some of the vasoconstriction effects of caffeine), etc.

Study using 50mg caffeine and 100mg theanine

40mg caffeine and 97mg theanine
 

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Studies are generally done with a ratio roughly 2:1 theanine to caffeine - and have shown great benefits - while many of these things are subjective and there is a significant potential many of our community have a tad more tolerance to stims than your average person. But, the 225mg caffeine, plus the 200mg dynamite, plus the 100mg dicaffeine malate should offer quite a bit of kick to more than compensate for any sedative effects and should work quite synergistically for focus, mood, blood flow (yes, even blood flow - as theanine may help mitigate some of the vasoconstriction effects of caffeine), etc.

Study using 50mg caffeine and 100mg theanine

40mg caffeine and 97mg theanine
I know what the studies say BUT for me more than 100mg of L-Theanine keeps me from
feeling the stimulants and focus ingredients the way I should and that's coming from someone
who doesn't touch caffeine or stimulants anytime of the day except for a pre workout at 4 or 5 a.m.
when I want to FEEL my PW.
 
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Studies are generally done with a ratio roughly 2:1 theanine to caffeine - and have shown great benefits - while many of these things are subjective and there is a significant potential many of our community have a tad more tolerance to stims than your average person. But, the 225mg caffeine, plus the 200mg dynamite, plus the 100mg dicaffeine malate should offer quite a bit of kick to more than compensate for any sedative effects and should work quite synergistically for focus, mood, blood flow (yes, even blood flow - as theanine may help mitigate some of the vasoconstriction effects of caffeine), etc.

Study using 50mg caffeine and 100mg theanine

40mg caffeine and 97mg theanine
I agree. I think Theanine has great potential and the studies are awesome on it; but there are just some that it seems to blunt the stims too much for. We use it ourselves in stuff and its like that unfortunate circumstance where great data, many love it, but it there are a few people that won't like it bc of.

In regards to the stims you mentioned in the post I quoted, if you're selling Dynamite now, I need to get a PO in with you :ROFLMAO:
 

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Just made a yummy combo :
Pineapple nitraflex + blueberry lemonade Hyde. Both current formulas (Hyde kinda gross on its own imo)
I do that all the time I mix pre's usually at 1/2 doses being careful not to overlap certain ingredients
and I actually make PW work better for me by doing that especially if a formula has 200mg of L-Theanine
so now it's 100 plus the higher stimulant PW at 1/2 the dose. I'm NOT the Guerilla Chemist but I know how
to mix my stims :D
 
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I do that all the time I mix pre's usually at 1/2 doses being careful not to overlap certain ingredients
and I actually make PW work better for me by doing that especially if a formula has 200mg of L-Theanine
so now it's 100 plus the higher stimulant PW at 1/2 the dose. I'm NOT the Guerilla Chemist but I know how
to mix my stims
Ya I have BA, theanine, and citrulline powder straight. I mostly only use the BA but I'll use some theanine again for u. Edit: also I fucked up, it's Jekyll not Hyde, which isn't a stim
 
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