Fat burners???

Depends if you want a stim or non stim or a combo....

Stim PNI thermadex it burns fat and keeps your appetite down and has a small diuretic effect (20$)

Non stim BPS vanillean it has great thermogenesis effects and that is under 20$

So stack both man you won't be disappointed at all
 
First diet then
ECA for cheap and effective.

you could also try AGEFORCE weight loss patches.
 
EC+your choice of non stim fat burner containing yohimbine (alpha-y/ruowolscine are my personal favs).
 
jswain34 said:
EC+your choice of non stim fat burner containing yohimbine (alpha-y/ruowolscine are my personal favs).
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If this is your first experience with fat burners then I would not suggest combining Yohimbine with ephedrine and caffeine.
 
SNS tta-500,Rk500 xtreme,And reduce xt would be an awesome stack.what experience do you have in these type of supplements?there are plenty of good fat loss supplements to choose from right now.
 
formutech's lean efx refined or natural efx would do the job nicely.
 
I'm currently using OxyELITE Pro with Compound 20. After two weeks I can already see some fat gone off my midsection.
 
onemorerep22 said:
if your on AAS but need extra push what fat burner would be ideal promoting fat loss that is comparable to a ECA stack?
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what aas? if thats the route you wanna go then make sure your blood pressure is under control
 
no its not plenty of people add fat burners etc to aid in fat loss while on AAS. I don't mean a push to get into the gym or diet. I mean for aiding in peer fat loss after dieting for 7 weeks to kick it up a notch.
 
onemorerep22 said:
no its not plenty of people add fat burners etc to aid in fat loss while on AAS. I don't mean a push to get into the gym or diet. I mean for aiding in peer fat loss after dieting for 7 weeks to kick it up a notch.
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My point is that AAS should BE the extra push for weight loss (well actually my opinion on the matter is that if you have a significant amount of weight to lose, ie beginner to lifting, you shouldn't use AAS and should hash out your diet first)
 
lol alright boss so your telling me people who are getting for a competition just use pure AAS and dont run fat burners like eca stack, clen, dnp. lol k.
 
onemorerep22 said:
lol alright boss so your telling me people who are getting for a competition just use pure AAS and dont run fat burners like eca stack, clen, dnp. lol k.
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I said that somewhere? I didn't think so.

Are you in competition prep? (Also notice I made my opinion very clear in the above post about AAS use)

There's a difference in a guy needing a push to get to <5% bf than a guy trying to get <15%.
 
i guess i should i make myself clear. you have good points. Yes im doing a competition prep on my own and seeing what does work and doesn't. Im at 10% or lower and want to see what will otc fat burner do without jumping to the serious stuff. I appreciate your time and opinion brah.
 
I've used quite a few, including Dex V2, which is very good. I have to say however, my results on Alphamine far surpassed that of any other product that I've used in this category. Only three days a week fasted cardio (Alphamine taken before) and the results after month one were spectacular, compared to anything else that I'd taken before. Get yourself Alphamine...done and done.
 
If BP is an issue then you can hit some of the non stim stuff.

RK, Green Tea Extract, Green coffee bean has some interesting data.

If it isn't an issue I would still go with ECA.
 
eh i dont want to go with eca due to some of reviews and stuff i seen. I dont want to go with that route yet. My bp is usually around 107. Its very good. So any stim or non stim fat burner is fine. Sense there is so many of them with so many reviews, I want to know which one worked the best.
 
onemorerep22 said:
eh i dont want to go with eca due to some of reviews and stuff i seen. I dont want to go with that route yet. My bp is usually around 107. Its very good. So any stim or non stim fat burner is fine. Sense there is so many of them with so many reviews, I want to know which one worked the best.
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What's your BP now?

Being on cycle makes a big difference as far as BP goes.
 
ECA will definitely be king.


Although, if you really are opposed to it then PES Alphamine has gotten very good reviews (although I have yet to use it personally)
 
onemorerep22 said:
eh i dont want to go with eca due to some of reviews and stuff i seen. I dont want to go with that route yet. My bp is usually around 107. Its very good. So any stim or non stim fat burner is fine. Sense there is so many of them with so many reviews, I want to know which one worked the best.
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Trust me, not a rep, not a shill, just a consumer like you. I've tried so many stim based fatburners that I'm in a good position to compare and recommend one to you. The way I utilize these products, is that I take them first thing in the morning upon waking, then perform fasted cardio for an hour. I normally use these types of products anywhere from 2-3 months at a time, so for comparison purposes I can effectively gauge which ones truly burn fat, as opposed to just offering stim energy. A lot of these so-called fatburners don't burn fat, what they do is just provide energy, but that is all they do. A product like Alphamine provides energy however, it also creates an environment where if you put in the work (for me 3-4 times a week fasted cardio), the results are rapid and dramatic. Not blowing smoke, it's literally that good.
 
i will def look into that one then, thanks for the advice. ECA stack has me interested but i see so many conflicting reviews on how its good/not good for you. CAn you guys bring any insight into that?
 
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I ran the Get Up and Go Stack last year when I had hit a plateau. It helped a lot in a short time, but I had to stop after three weeks due to extreme lethargy (I'm guessing adrenal fatigue, but I'm not sure). I don't know how to get similar results with this stack while avoiding the lethargy. If I can figure that out, I will run it again.
 
Stim:
Alphamine, BPS combustion, ECA, new PX black (read write up-super good profile)

Non Stim:
Aav2, vanillean, GCE, green tea, RK, TTA, forskollin

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A buddy of mine swears by it. I know he likes 1,3 Dimeth a lot, though. He was always swiping Motivate from me.
 
southpaw23 said:
Trust me, not a rep, not a shill, just a consumer like you. I've tried so many stim based fatburners that I'm in a good position to compare and recommend one to you. The way I utilize these products, is that I take them first thing in the morning upon waking, then perform fasted cardio for an hour. I normally use these types of products anywhere from 2-3 months at a time, so for comparison purposes I can effectively gauge which ones truly burn fat, as opposed to just offering stim energy. A lot of these so-called fatburners don't burn fat, what they do is just provide energy, but that is all they do. A product like Alphamine provides energy however, it also creates an environment where if you put in the work (for me 3-4 times a week fasted cardio), the results are rapid and dramatic. Not blowing smoke, it's literally that good.
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Did you run alphamine everyday or only on days when you did your fasted cardio?
 
ITW said:
Did you run alphamine everyday or only on days when you did your fasted cardio?
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I'd take it every morning, prior to cardio and again the results within even three weeks were crazy. I didn't even take the second serving in the afternoon, like they recommend. I was surprised at how good this stuff worked and just how rapidly it produced results. My friends all use it now, and that's not hype or exaggeration. Many products in this category produce energy, many of them also fail to burn fat at least on par with Alphamine based on my observations.
 
onemorerep22 said:
southpaw how do you compare it to eca, or oxy elite pro?
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I haven't tried ECA yet, although my friends have, quite a few of them actually, in comparison to my results on Alphamine vs theirs on ECA, the results weren't close at all. Alphamine produced much better results. That's just my personal observation. In comparison to the OG version of Oxy Elite Pro (which I ran for two months), again Alphamine produced significant results much faster. OG Oxy however, is a nice stim, although the duration of energy/stim is short and I crashed on it.
 
onemorerep22 said:
thanks man. i think i will go with alphamine and go from there.
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Welcome. Trust me you won't be disappointed. Just make sure your diet is fairly on track, even with me eating the occasional cold stone ice cream (I have the heart of a fat kid) it still produced rapid and measurable results within a month, much faster than anything else I've ever taken. If you take it prior to fasted cardio 3-4 times a week you should be good to go.
 
I don't care what anybody says about fasted cardio. It's always done wonders for me in regards to weight loss and energy. Granted I usually drink BCAAs just before and during, so I'm not sure if that is technically considered fasted.
 
Fasted cardio has no.measurable benefit for fat loss over fed state cardio (that I am aware of, if you have any evidence id be interested in seeing it)

In fact, HIIT has been shown to be much more effective than LISS and has a host of other benefits as far as body composition is concerned
 
I do HIIT when I do my fasted cardio (seriously. not being a smartass).

Also, is it technically fasted if I'm taking BCAAs just before and during?
 
stxnas said:
I don't care what anybody says about fasted cardio. It's always done wonders for me in regards to weight loss and energy. Granted I usually drink BCAAs just before and during, so I'm not sure if that is technically considered fasted.
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I'd take two scoops of Alphamine before cardio with nothing else (including BCAA's) and I didn't lose any muscle. In fact even after the first month my arms, shoulders, back appeared bigger. My friends even commented with the same sentiments.
 
stxnas said:
I do HIIT when I do my fasted cardio (seriously. not being a smartass).

Also, is it technically fasted if I'm taking BCAAs just before and during?
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HIIT should be treated like a lifting session, it is generally better for you to have something small to eat prior. ZiR.Red recommends something like half an apple and a small amount of protein, ~20g, to get the most out of it.

That way you can achieve maximal force production.

BCAAs won't be enough calories to break your fast.
 
southpaw23 said:
I'd take two scoops of Alphamine before cardio with nothing else (including BCAA's) and I didn't lose any muscle. In fact even after the first month my arms, shoulders, back appeared bigger. My friends even commented with the same sentiments.
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Leaning out will make you appear larger because of the increased definition but it doesn't mean you are getting any bigger. It's kind of like an optic illusion.
 
jimbuick said:
HIIT should be treated like a lifting session, it is generally better for you to have something small to eat prior. ZiR.Red recommends something like half an apple and a small amount of protein, ~20g, to get the most out of it.

That way you can achieve maximal force production.

BCAAs won't be enough calories to break your fast.
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That's not too much, so I could see myself trying that.
 
jimbuick said:
Leaning out will make you appear larger because of the increased definition but it doesn't mean you are getting any bigger. It's kind of like an optic illusion.
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I hear you, which is why I used the word "appeared" and my friends commented on the same. So I take that for whatever it's worth. All I know is compared to other products that I've taken in this category, the results weren't nearly close compared to what I achieved on Alphamine.
 
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