"Fat Burners"

miniarnold said:
Yea pls tell us Mr C all the good things LCLT can do in terms of bodycomp benefits does it positivly effect muscle and fat?

do you use it often and do you notice any benefit from it?
wana hear all the good stuff b4 i take it as a daily staple, you think its worthwhile, the higher the dose the better?

Thanks man
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As stated earlier, 2g LCLT preworkout only will have positive effects on recovery, VO2 max, and AR density, all of which can indirectly contribute to body composition if dosed long-term.

It's cheap, and I think it's worth it. Just stick to 2g.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
As stated earlier, 2g LCLT preworkout only will have positive effects on recovery, VO2 max, and AR density, all of which can indirectly contribute to body composition if dosed long-term.

It's cheap, and I think it's worth it. Just stick to 2g.
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Thanks man, can it be dosed postworkout instead of pre?, should it be taken on rest days? do you use it C?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It's not so simple. If doing intense and prolonged exercise, LCLT is beneficial. If not getting enough sunlight, D is beneficial. Considering a 100 day supply of vitamin D costs $3, it shouldn't even come down to a choice.
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I am pretty inclined to agree with the above. I understand the discussion back and forth on Vitamin D > LCLT from all-around effect; but I am a bigger and bigger fan of mitochondrial optimizers (like carnitine salts and so on) these days.



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dinoiii said:
I am pretty inclined to agree with the above. I understand the discussion back and forth on Vitamin D > LCLT from all-around effect; but I am a bigger and bigger fan of mitochondrial optimizers (like carnitine salts and so on) these days.

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Do you use nitrates sir? Just recently I've been shown studies on their ability to maximize mitochondrial efficiency.
 
rob112 said:
Do you use nitrates sir? Just recently I've been shown studies on their ability to maximize mitochondrial efficiency.
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Eat beetroots lol
 
I do NOT incorporate nitrates into my plan at present time; simply because there is high-likelihood that with increased mitochondrial efficiency comes increased production of ROS and that would ultimately defeat the purpose. I am not dismissing them - especially in the short-term...but they have no supplemental role at this point and I really could not care for a lot of beetjuice, although green leafy vegetables are a staple.


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Think im gonna get on the LCLT, back on vit d as a staple

would the cortisol inhibitor PS result in fat loss if enough is taken?
 
dinoiii said:
I do NOT incorporate nitrates into my plan at present time; simply because there is high-likelihood that with increased mitochondrial efficiency comes increased production of ROS and that would ultimately defeat the purpose. I am not dismissing them - especially in the short-term...but they have no supplemental role at this point and I really could not care for a lot of beetjuice, although green leafy vegetables are a staple.

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Fair enough. Anecdotally I have had good experiences with them in short term spurts. I am interested to see where the science goes in sports performance.
 
Cortisol reduction inhibits lipolysis if that's what you're asking. It does, however, spare muscle and reduce adipocyte differentiation.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Cortisol reduction inhibits lipolysis if that's what you're asking. It does, however, spare muscle and reduce adipocyte differentiation.
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Inhibit meaning it stops fat burning or increases it?
does it require a high daily dose for fat loss say above 600mg?
do you know of any1 using it and actually loosing fat?, and how should it be cycled?

Thanks.
 
miniarnold said:
Inhibit meaning it stops fat burning or increases it?
does it require a high daily dose for fat loss say above 600mg?
do you know of any1 using it and actually loosing fat?, and how should it be cycled?

Thanks.
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yes

1 gram of 50% should do

no I don't and you should cycle everything
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Again, cortisol stimulates lipolysis.

Primordial performance makes a product but I haven't looked into it.
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doesnt cortisol stimulate fat storage in excess, but your saying it stimulates lipolysis which is fat burning right?....

so reducing cortisol with supplements say in this case with PS it will / can cause fat loss or not?

What you think of the above supp 20% PS and derived from soy, i dont think this is the most natural form of PS if im correct?
 
Ahhhhh astute question ;)

This is a rather complicated/complex dynamic b/c either elevated cortisol or suppressed levels can fascilitate lipolysis or lipogensis.

Definitley looking forward to Coop's reply on this one!

Coop - School us buddy.


miniarnold said:
doesnt cortisol stimulate fat storage in excess, but your saying it stimulates lipolysis which is fat burning right?....

so reducing cortisol with supplements say in this case with PS it will / can cause fat loss or not?

What you think of the above supp 20% PS and derived from soy, i dont think this is the most natural form of PS if im correct?
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mr.cooper69 said:
Again, cortisol stimulates lipolysis.

Primordial performance makes a product but I haven't looked into it.
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yes bit confused as i thought high/elevated cortisol can lead to fat gain is the word lipogensis.....
and by reducing/lowering cortisol (with a supp in this case such as using PS) it can lead to fat loss lipolysis.....
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And is the PS supp above ^ at 20% derived from soy any good, as i am not sure if PS is originally from a more potent natural source (not from soy) ?
 
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miniarnold said:
yes bit confused as i thought high/elevated cortisol can lead to fat gain is the word lipogensis.....
and by reducing/lowering cortisol (with a supp in this case such as using PS) it can lead to fat loss lipolysis.....
?

And is the PS supp above ^ at 20% derived from soy any good, as i am not sure if PS is originally from a more potent natural source (not from soy) ?
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bdcc said:
A typical day would look something like this;


EAAs are mostly because I don't digest whey very well and I am waiting for brown rice protein to come back into stock.
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I have had the same problem with whey and all dairy. Pea protein has worked well for me as a substitute.
 
What about egg protein? It digest fast, but do you still have the same effect if the protein is lactose free? There are plenty of companies that have lactose free and even gluten free protein powders. Maybe even trying a brand with a good probiotic in the formula or other digestive enzymes.

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