Fadogia agrestis, where??

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Does anyone know where I could find Fadogia agrestis powder or seeds?
Not omega T Force
Im going to make my own test booster Tongkat Ali, Ashwagandha, Yohimbine, Muira Puama, Funegreek
Zinc, Magnesium, Vitamin B6, Vitamin D, Boron,and (Fadogia agretis) if I found it.

I have a feeling that's I'm going to give a prize to the person that finds it....
 
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I have no idea, do your due diligence.
 
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I do enjoy Fadogia so if you do find quality powder for a low cost PM me please ?
 

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Does anyone know where I could find Fadogia agrestis powder or seeds?
Not omega T Force
Im going to make my own test booster Tongkat Ali, Ashwagandha, Yohimbine, Muira Puama, Funegreek
Zinc, Magnesium, Vitamin B6, Vitamin D, Boron,and (Fadogia agretis) if I found it.

I have a feeling that's I'm going to give a prize to the person that finds it....
Or you just can add tropinol xp,more expensive but worth it
 
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Or you just can add tropinol xp,more expensive but worth it
beat me to it. I know OP is looking for a bulk source (or so it seems), but TXP really is a fun product to use.
 

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I do enjoy Fadogia so if you do find quality powder for a low cost PM me please ?
I'm in contact with pharmaresourcesin I'll update you soon


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50$ per kg


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Or you just can add tropinol xp,more expensive but worth it
I love fadogia, that is where I always get mine from. Never really seen this offered in bulk from the common places.
 
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Any minimum KG amount required? That's an awesome price, LOL. The markup on supps will blow your mind :) At 1.5g/Day for a 200 pound man, $50 will net you a a Devil's amount (666.66666666667) days :D
 
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Any minimum KG amount required? That's an awesome price, LOL. The markup on supps will blow your mind :) At 1.5g/Day for a 200 pound man, $50 will net you a a Devil's amount (666.66666666667) days :D
it is a great price as long as its an actual extract providing the full spectrum of alkaloids, saponins, anthraquinones and flavonoids. If it is legit, this price cannot be beat.



OP - just so you know, T-Force by Omega Sports is still available although the finished product is obviously way more expensive than 50/kg...but the raws are definitely legit
 

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Vaughn talking about TXP, is the 25-spiro something is the same as laxogenin?
 
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Vaughn talking about TXP, is the 25-spiro something is the same as laxogenin?
different compounds. the 25R works through enhanced nitrogen retention along with increase androgen receptor sensitivity, while Laxogenin is it's own beast with unique MOAs
 

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it is a great price as long as its an actual extract providing the full spectrum of alkaloids, saponins, anthraquinones and flavonoids. If it is legit, this price cannot be beat.



OP - just so you know, T-Force by Omega Sports is still available although the finished product is obviously way more expensive than 50/kg...but the raws are definitely legit
I don't think it's an extract as they said it was stem powder, so? I must make an extract to make things working ?


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I don't think it's an extract as they said it was stem powder, so? I must make an extract to make things working ?


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Well "making an extract" isn't as simple as adding some water/ethanol and hoping for the best.

If its simply stem powder, it's akin to you just growing the plant and eating the stems as is. This would explain why it is so cheap
 

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Well "making an extract" isn't as simple as adding some water/ethanol and hoping for the best.

If its simply stem powder, it's akin to you just growing the plant and eating the stems as is. This would explain why it is so cheap
Well t force omega seems powder not extract, 6 pills a day that's 2250mg


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Well t force omega seems powder not extract, 6 pills a day that's 2250mg


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it's an extract




I am pretty well versed with T-Force/Fadogia because we got our raw materials from Matt @ Omega
 
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Isn't "FadogiaPure" just a trade mark? Or is there an industry wide standardization for Fadogia extracts? Anywhere I could see the HPLC/Breakdown of what is in it like with the Long Jack extracts?
 
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Isn't "FadogiaPure" just a trade mark? Or is there an industry wide standardization for Fadogia extracts? Anywhere I could see the HPLC/Breakdown of what is in it like with the Long Jack extracts?
yes, that name is simply a trademark they use for their own specific "brand" of Fadogia. This is similar in nature to the bulbine extract used in Prolensis.


I am not aware of any publicly posted HPLC breakdowns of any of the fadogia extracts available on the market unfortunately. Would be great to have in order to compare the various extracts offered from different companies
 
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Vaughn talking about TXP, is the 25-spiro something is the same as laxogenin?
Not exactly apples to apples but... http://www.chemicalbook.com/Search_EN.aspx?keyword=25R Spirost

It's a plant steroid. Yamogenin, Diosgenin? The most well known and thought of highly by Danes and Mixelflick is Turkesterone. The problem is the dosage required to actually see "gains" and what that would cost. IIRC an 8 week cycle was in the $500 range. I haven't seen too many people say that 25R is better than Ajuga Turkestanica harvested in just one region of Uzbekistan?
 

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it's an extract


I am pretty well versed with T-Force/Fadogia because we got our raw materials from Matt @ Omega
Well then... I'm going to be a scientist I'll be extracting that Fadogia and I'm not giving up.

Just need free time to go to the bank, they want wire transfer.... I'm not sure why not PayPal


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Well then... I'm going to be a scientist I'll be extracting that Fadogia and I'm not giving up.

Just need free time to go to the bank, they want wire transfer.... I'm not sure why not PayPal


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you dont "have" to extract it, you'd just have to compensate with a larger dose to make sure you consumed the same amount of actives as that which is found within effective extracts.

so if 10g of root powder yields 1g of extract, that just means you'd need to consume 10g. This is just a random comparison though, I don't know the difference between actives in raw root and specific extracts
 
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Vaughn talking about TXP, is the 25-spiro something is the same as laxogenin?
25R Is not same as laxogenin.
One is steroid sapogenin while the other is brassinosteroid analogue.
 

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you dont "have" to extract it, you'd just have to compensate with a larger dose to make sure you consumed the same amount of actives as that which is found within effective extracts.

so if 10g of root powder yields 1g of extract, that just means you'd need to consume 10g. This is just a random comparison though, I don't know the difference between actives in raw root and specific extracts
Also worth noting that there might be unknown or unwanted side effects to consuming the whole root powder when compensating


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you dont "have" to extract it, you'd just have to compensate with a larger dose to make sure you consumed the same amount of actives as that which is found within effective extracts.

so if 10g of root powder yields 1g of extract, that just means you'd need to consume 10g. This is just a random comparison though, I don't know the difference between actives in raw root and specific extracts
I bought t force omega and I'll be testing the affects of both with different doses


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I bought t force omega and I'll be testing the affects of both with different doses


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good deal. blood tests planned for both?
 

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good deal. blood tests planned for both?
For this herb I'll just see what will it do, and then mix all of the herbs

Per 10 serving
Tongkat Ali 300mg
Ashwagandha 400mg
Yohimbine 8mg
Muira Puama 240mg
Funegreek 800mg
Forskohlii 100mg
Bulbine Natalensis 500mg
Fadogia agretis 700mg
Pepper 100mg
Zinc 32mg
Magnesium 450mg
Vitamin B6 16mg
Boron 10mg
DAA 3g

Ultimate test booster?
You got something to add?
I miss only the bulbine and Fadogia, I was thinking of adding anti estrogen but the dryness of joints I could not, I have joint issues
 
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I'm not a fan of DAA personally.

Other than that, should have an epic libido and some legit gains if training/eating well
 
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Hmm... Estrogen increase ?
I dont mind estrogen increases, I enjoy them actually when in a bulk. BUT for an estrogen increase to be acceptable to me, it needs to come with it an even larger increase in testosterone, so that the end results is a more favorable testosterone to estrogen ratio.

DAA does not ultimately cause this ratio to be more favorable, so I am not a large fan of the compound unfortunately
 

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For this herb I'll just see what will it do, and then mix all of the herbs

Per 10 serving
Tongkat Ali 300mg
Ashwagandha 400mg
Yohimbine 8mg
Muira Puama 240mg
Funegreek 800mg
Forskohlii 100mg
Bulbine Natalensis 500mg
Fadogia agretis 700mg
Pepper 100mg
Zinc 32mg
Magnesium 450mg
Vitamin B6 16mg
Boron 10mg
DAA 3g

Ultimate test booster?
You got something to add?
I miss only the bulbine and Fadogia, I was thinking of adding anti estrogen but the dryness of joints I could not, I have joint issues
Add an AI, all the increase can be negated by your bodys natural response to a rise in testosterone. Also, no. Most here don't like DAA cause it raises prolactin which is counterproductive, so for the b6 use the P-5-P form and maybe some vitex berry/ mucuna puriens then youll be kickin! Also butea superba is legit sh1t
 
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DAA is overhyped and I am not fan of it either
I get nothing but headaches on DAA although I did impregnate my wife while taking it so who knows? Haha probably coincidence.
 

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I'm not a fan of DAA personally.

Other than that, should have an epic libido and some legit gains if training/eating well
Same, never noticed much of anything from DAA.. I actually just threw out a bunch of bulk DAA powder last weekend, it was very old though also.
 

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Then what's these studies about DAA boosting LH, test in 2 weeks ??? Fake??
 
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Then what's these studies about DAA boosting LH, test in 2 weeks ??? Fake??
AFAIK, all the positive outcome studies on DAA (for 12 days before Neg Feedback) were in Hypo-Gonadal men.
 

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Probably want an anti e like inhibit e, maybe inhibit p but you'd likely be fine without it.

Are all of those ingredients just bulk powder of the roots or did they specify any extractions?
 

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Probably want an anti e like inhibit e, maybe inhibit p but you'd likely be fine without it.

Are all of those ingredients just bulk powder of the roots or did they specify any extractions?
All extract except the bulbine and Fadogia
I got the T force omega Fadogia I started taking it I'll see the difference when I have the other source of Fadogia

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Stinging Nettle 240mg
Mucuna Pruriens 800mg
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Resveratrol 480mg
 

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Not exactly apples to apples but... http://www.chemicalbook.com/Search_EN.aspx?keyword=25R Spirost

It's a plant steroid. Yamogenin, Diosgenin? The most well known and thought of highly by Danes and Mixelflick is Turkesterone. The problem is the dosage required to actually see "gains" and what that would cost. IIRC an 8 week cycle was in the $500 range. I haven't seen too many people say that 25R is better than Ajuga Turkestanica harvested in just one region of Uzbekistan?
My 5 cc's...

To clarify, Laxogenin is usually derived from diosogenin though found naturally occurring in smilax sieboldi and Tribulus. There are several 25-R compounds all loosely related to Laxogenin. Turkesterone is something entirely different, derived from the source genus Ajuga Turkistanica.

Generally speaking..

Laxogenin: Anti-inflammatory and protein synthetic response
Turkesterone: They'll tell you it's the absolute best Ecdysterone for protein synthesis. In fact, it's real forte' is building red blood cells.
Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract: IMO, the best overall plant to derive Ecdysterone's benefits in humans.

Important to point out that RCE contains many, many individual Ecdysterones (there were 487 identified, as of last count). Source = http://ecdybase.org/. RCE has the best of these in groupings of 10-12, variously referred to as "the levseins complex" in former Soviet literature.

Knowing which ones to use, when and with what other nutraceuticals is the real nuance of Ecdysterone supplementation. It's not as simple as just adding 500mg/day of ecdysterones and eating big/winging it in the weight room. They're adaptogens, not anabolics. An important distinction never made when introduced in the West. If you look at my formulas, you'll see each uses ingredients that leverage Ecdy's glucose disposal (way overlooked), protein synthesis and cellular fueling effects.

As for Fadogia, never ran labs on it. It does seem to be one of the more promising test boosters, certainly more than DAA or what have you. But let's be honest: Even a 50% increase in low-normal test levels isn't going to make a lick of difference. The man training on 600ng/dl of endogenous test isn't likely to experience much gain vs. the guy at 300ng/dl. Get him up over 1,000ng/dl though and things start happening.

Unfortunately, that's going to take aggressive HRT or a trip to the black market to get done. Still, are supraphysiogical levels of test/free test necessary for great gains? Nope, not IMO. You'd be much better served harnessing the power of insulin via your diet. A great read in this area is Dr. Mauro DiPasquale's Anabolic Diet.

Doesn't come in a bottle, does get results...
 
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My 5 cc's...

To clarify, Laxogenin is usually derived from diosogenin though found naturally occurring in smilax sieboldi and Tribulus. There are several 25-R compounds all loosely related to Laxogenin. Turkesterone is something entirely different, derived from the source genus Ajuga Turkistanica.

Generally speaking..

Laxogenin: Anti-inflammatory and protein synthetic response
Turkesterone: They'll tell you it's the absolute best Ecdysterone for protein synthesis. In fact, it's real forte' is building red blood cells.
Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract: IMO, the best overall plant to derive Ecdysterone's benefits in humans.

Important to point out that RCE contains many, many individual Ecdysterones (there were 487 identified, as of last count). Source = http://ecdybase.org/. RCE has the best of these in groupings of 10-12, variously referred to as "the levseins complex" in former Soviet literature.

Knowing which ones to use, when and with what other nutraceuticals is the real nuance of Ecdysterone supplementation. It's not as simple as just adding 500mg/day of ecdysterones and eating big/winging it in the weight room. They're adaptogens, not anabolics. An important distinction never made when introduced in the West. If you look at my formulas, you'll see each uses ingredients that leverage Ecdy's glucose disposal (way overlooked), protein synthesis and cellular fueling effects.

As for Fadogia, never ran labs on it. It does seem to be one of the more promising test boosters, certainly more than DAA or what have you. But let's be honest: Even a 50% increase in low-normal test levels isn't going to make a lick of difference. The man training on 600ng/dl of endogenous test isn't likely to experience much gain vs. the guy at 300ng/dl. Get him up over 1,000ng/dl though and things start happening.

Unfortunately, that's going to take aggressive HRT or a trip to the black market to get done. Still, are supraphysiogical levels of test/free test necessary for great gains? Nope, not IMO. You'd be much better served harnessing the power of insulin via your diet. A great read in this area is Dr. Mauro DiPasquale's Anabolic Diet.

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Great read, thanks for that. I was wondering why you were thinking that Cyanotis Vaga does not work. I tried Tonvaras Turkesterone at 4 caps, CV at 1,5 gms (standardized to 95% ecdysterone) and Rhaponticum Carthamoides 10:1 (not standardized, but that is what you get easily in Eastern Europe) extract at 2gms and at least personally, I think the results of CV are pretty decent (spread over the day and high protein meals). I know that you just explained that it is not that simple to add this or that amount of Ecdysterone, but just wondering where to start then as far as dosage is concerned? For instance, how much RCE is in your Synthagen product without revealing the full formula?

Btw what is your opinion about cycling this stuff?

Btw I follow the anabolic diet. And thanks for your insights
 

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My 5 cc's...

To clarify, Laxogenin is usually derived from diosogenin though found naturally occurring in smilax sieboldi and Tribulus. There are several 25-R compounds all loosely related to Laxogenin. Turkesterone is something entirely different, derived from the source genus Ajuga Turkistanica.

Generally speaking..

Laxogenin: Anti-inflammatory and protein synthetic response
Turkesterone: They'll tell you it's the absolute best Ecdysterone for protein synthesis. In fact, it's real forte' is building red blood cells.
Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract: IMO, the best overall plant to derive Ecdysterone's benefits in humans.

Important to point out that RCE contains many, many individual Ecdysterones (there were 487 identified, as of last count). Source = http://ecdybase.org/. RCE has the best of these in groupings of 10-12, variously referred to as "the levseins complex" in former Soviet literature.

Knowing which ones to use, when and with what other nutraceuticals is the real nuance of Ecdysterone supplementation. It's not as simple as just adding 500mg/day of ecdysterones and eating big/winging it in the weight room. They're adaptogens, not anabolics. An important distinction never made when introduced in the West. If you look at my formulas, you'll see each uses ingredients that leverage Ecdy's glucose disposal (way overlooked), protein synthesis and cellular fueling effects.

As for Fadogia, never ran labs on it. It does seem to be one of the more promising test boosters, certainly more than DAA or what have you. But let's be honest: Even a 50% increase in low-normal test levels isn't going to make a lick of difference. The man training on 600ng/dl of endogenous test isn't likely to experience much gain vs. the guy at 300ng/dl. Get him up over 1,000ng/dl though and things start happening.

Unfortunately, that's going to take aggressive HRT or a trip to the black market to get done. Still, are supraphysiogical levels of test/free test necessary for great gains? Nope, not IMO. You'd be much better served harnessing the power of insulin via your diet. A great read in this area is Dr. Mauro DiPasquale's Anabolic Diet.

Doesn't come in a bottle, does get results...
Where can we found good Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract these day?
 
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For this herb I'll just see what will it do, and then mix all of the herbs

Per 10 serving
Tongkat Ali 300mg
Ashwagandha 400mg
Yohimbine 8mg
Muira Puama 240mg
Funegreek 800mg
Forskohlii 100mg
Bulbine Natalensis 500mg
Fadogia agretis 700mg
Pepper 100mg
Zinc 32mg
Magnesium 450mg
Vitamin B6 16mg
Boron 10mg
DAA 3g

Ultimate test booster?
You got something to add?
I miss only the bulbine and Fadogia, I was thinking of adding anti estrogen but the dryness of joints I could not, I have joint issues
personally I would replace muira puama with macuna puriens-[L-dopa].
 
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This is a good read. It's been a while since I've ran Tropinol XP or DAA.
I've been gearing up to run one or the other and debating now.
My only problem with TXP now is I don't have a need for the nitrates in it. I can't remember any sides I've had with DAA but it's been a bit.
 

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Great read, thanks for that. I was wondering why you were thinking that Cyanotis Vaga does not work. I tried Tonvaras Turkesterone at 4 caps, CV at 1,5 gms (standardized to 95% ecdysterone) and Rhaponticum Carthamoides 10:1 (not standardized, but that is what you get easily in Eastern Europe) extract at 2gms and at least personally, I think the results of CV are pretty decent (spread over the day and high protein meals). I know that you just explained that it is not that simple to add this or that amount of Ecdysterone, but just wondering where to start then as far as dosage is concerned? For instance, how much RCE is in your Synthagen product without revealing the full formula?

Btw what is your opinion about cycling this stuff?

Btw I follow the anabolic diet. And thanks for your insights
Amount of RCE in Synthagen is unfortunately, proprietary. However, I can tell you it's way overkill for a 250lb man.The batch that's currently in stock (Mass Pro Synthagen,X2) is by far the strongest yet. As for cycling, I generally recommend 4-8 weeks on, with 4 weeks off. Most important is matching the training to the product. If you're using an adaptogen, it's imperative to be creating an environment or "stress" for the body to adapt to (either through diet or exercise, or both).

The Blueprint training protocol (custom made for Ecdy) peaks users at around the 6 week mark. We then drop the Ecdy/adaptogen and transition into a cruise phase, where the gains are cemented/made permanent. That lasts around 3 weeks, at which point we repeat the cycle with subtle variations and twists.

Real, full spectrum RCE is very difficult to find, but worth every penny IMO. The only other source was a product Tonvara had, but dis-continued. If you're interested in using an Ecdy analog such as Laxogenin, I'd recommend Olympus Labs DermaSize. 50mg of Laxogenin is a damn generous dose, and they're correctly deduced that with a MW of 430, it's small enough for transdermal delivery.

Hope that helps..
 

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BTW, if you're getting results with CV, hats off to you. I'm sincere when I say that too, because God knows the price point is better.

Personally, I consider it an inferior source genus for Ecdy. Moreover, most CV products are over-standardized for 20-Hydroxyecdysterone - not the best choice IMO. It's easy to understand why companies think it's the "active" though, looking at the former Soviet research. Unfortunately, I found many grams of 20-H orally worthless. You're just much better off with the full swath of Ecdysterones in their natural ratios to each other in RCE IMO. Where I did find some value with 20-H was as a transdermal, but that took gram amounts/day.

Likely due to its high molecular weight of 480.

That in an alcohol base with 1oz DMSO/2oz D-limonene is what it takes to get it through the skin.

Got old, fast...
 
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Amount of RCE in Synthagen is unfortunately, proprietary. However, I can tell you it's way overkill for a 250lb man.The batch that's currently in stock (Mass Pro Synthagen,X2) is by far the strongest yet. As for cycling, I generally recommend 4-8 weeks on, with 4 weeks off. Most important is matching the training to the product. If you're using an adaptogen, it's imperative to be creating an environment or "stress" for the body to adapt to (either through diet or exercise, or both).

The Blueprint training protocol (custom made for Ecdy) peaks users at around the 6 week mark. We then drop the Ecdy/adaptogen and transition into a cruise phase, where the gains are cemented/made permanent. That lasts around 3 weeks, at which point we repeat the cycle with subtle variations and twists.

Real, full spectrum RCE is very difficult to find, but worth every penny IMO. The only other source was a product Tonvara had, but dis-continued. If you're interested in using an Ecdy analog such as Laxogenin, I'd recommend Olympus Labs DermaSize. 50mg of Laxogenin is a damn generous dose, and they're correctly deduced that with a MW of 430, it's small enough for transdermal delivery.

Hope that helps..

Thank you very much for your advice. What do you think about plain Maral root? In Eastern Europe, Leuzea or Maral root is pretty common and you can easily find it everywhere.

Pretty interesting that real RCE full spectrum is so hard to find since it is not that uncommon either in Czech Republic, Poland, Bulgaria, Russia, etc.

And I guess, you mean OL Dermastrength
 
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I just ran a product called 1024 by ATS labs ingredients are Fadogia, 7Methoxy, Epimedium, and mucuna puriens.

Was 100% expecting BS and zero results. Ate at my maintenance for the whole thing. 5 weeks, I dropped 2% body fat and went from 272 up to 276. I'm now at 15% body fat.

Really impressed and will run it again at a higher dose.
 

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