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Exotherm Run

Doing my thing - morning weigh in - 180 pounds even. That is 4.5 pounds less than last Friday. I normally figure 3.5 pounds/week is around where I should be, this was a good week. My waist was at 39.5" still, but I had some things going on and wound up forgetting about it and had a huge glass of water before I remembered. It may be slighlty smaller than that now.

I broke out a second bottle for the new pump so that I don't have to estimate. The joint pain is subsiding, even at 4 pumps/day. I'm probably going to stick with 4 for a while and see how it goes.
 
HIT4ME said:
Doing my thing - morning weigh in - 180 pounds even. That is 4.5 pounds less than last Friday. I normally figure 3.5 pounds/week is around where I should be, this was a good week. My waist was at 39.5" still, but I had some things going on and wound up forgetting about it and had a huge glass of water before I remembered. It may be slighlty smaller than that now.

I broke out a second bottle for the new pump so that I don't have to estimate. The joint pain is subsiding, even at 4 pumps/day. I'm probably going to stick with 4 for a while and see how it goes.
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That's gre at results. I am thinking I might bump it up to 3 pumps starting next week just to see if maybe what happens.
 
It is really good, but you're seeing great results too! Keep in mind you are on a more normal diet than I am, and I'm always under 800 calories/day - so I should be losing at a good pace...you aren't far behind and you are actually on a less drastic diet....
 
Plus - you seem to feel the heat and sweating at 2 pumps, even at 4 pumps it's not so bad for me. Over 4 pumps (like when I took way too much by accident) and I was sweating, I may not be as strong a responder as you are. You are doing REALLY good, I don't know what your weight is down to, but your log looks great.
 
Upper arms, delts, shoulders, neck, chest....I basically squirt one pump on a baggie, and then smear it from my upper delt, across my shoulder and neck and down my chest....spreading it across as much skin as possible. I then do the second squirt on the other shoulder.
 
brundel - I've also noticed that some yellow powder will come out of suspension from time to time, I was wondering - would waiting 10 minutes and then following up with just some hand sanitizer over the same area help absorb anything that was left behind? Or would that be useless?
 
HIT4ME said:
brundel - I've also noticed that some yellow powder will come out of suspension from time to time, I was wondering - would waiting 10 minutes and then following up with just some hand sanitizer over the same area help absorb anything that was left behind? Or would that be useless?
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The yellow stuff is Chrysin. There is a TON of it in there. Enough that some of it is in suspension meaning there is as much as possible dissolved in solution and then more added for good measure. Formeron was almost entirely a suspension meaning .....maybe 5% or less was in solution. Formestane is terrible to work with. Thankfully the ingredients we are using now are much more forgiving and all will go easily into solution.
This also means that using some alcohol based hand sanitizer after is MUCH more effective than with FOrmeron and it worked well with formeron.
You SHOULD do it for sure. Make sure to rotate application sites. Like one day left one day right one day inner thighs etc. This way your skin doesnt get too dry.
 
brundel said:
The yellow stuff is Chrysin. There is a TON of it in there. Enough that some of it is in suspension meaning there is as much as possible dissolved in solution and then more added for good measure. Formeron was almost entirely a suspension meaning .....maybe 5% or less was in solution. Formestane is terrible to work with. Thankfully the ingredients we are using now are much more forgiving and all will go easily into solution.
This also means that using some alcohol based hand sanitizer after is MUCH more effective than with FOrmeron and it worked well with formeron.
You SHOULD do it for sure. Make sure to rotate application sites. Like one day left one day right one day inner thighs etc. This way your skin doesnt get too dry.
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Thanks man! Pretty much everything I know about TD's, I've learned from reading your past posts, including some of your formula's you've put up about how to homebrew TDs (I made some TD 7-oxo a couple times). I figured that was exactly what it was - Chrysin falling out of suspension because it was totally saturated (and beyond). I've been letting it dry, waiting about 5-10 minutes and then going back and putting some hand sanitizer onto the bag I used and applying that the same way I do the Exotherm.

I have very oily skin (the italian in me), and it doesn't dry out very easily. I am also hairy everywhere. I had to shave my entire torso for this.....and I'm not ready to shave my legs haha. When I was doing 3 pumps/day I was doing left/right/left applications- but with 2 pumps, I pretty much cover everything.....
 
Yah Im pretty hairy as well. I just shave ....its a pain in the ass but it must be done. I cant deal with the wolfman look.
 
Just keeping my chest clear is taking me 10 minutes every day haha. I AM the wolfman.

Had a cheat meal last night.. Chicken pot pie, white rice and a piece of ice cream cake from a birthday a couple days ago.

Today I am 181 with a 39.5" waist. Let's see if I can get to 176 by Friday....I think it may be possible. Let's see...
 
So I have decided to try a different dosing schedule. 2 pumps in the morning, 1 pump in the afternoon and one pump at night. Put my afternoon pump on a little while ago. Hoping this will maybe have more effect...don't know.
 
HIT4ME said:
So I have decided to try a different dosing schedule. 2 pumps in the morning, 1 pump in the afternoon and one pump at night. Put my afternoon pump on a little while ago. Hoping this will maybe have more effect...don't know.
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You know I have been doing my dosing in morning and before bed . It will be interesting to find out if it will have a different effect.
 
Sorry for the no updates guys. I've been crazy busy since this weekend and haven't been online much. I had a funeral on Saturday and a lot of other things going on and wound up going off the diet for another cheat meal. On Sunday I weighed 181, and my weight AND waist have been stuck at 181 and 39.5" Even though I've been below 800 calories again for Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday, I was still at this same weight today. Maybe I will drop it all at once, it happens, so I'm not worried. I will just keep at it.

I did have a leg workout on Monday, despite being exhausted I forced myself to get it in. I started off and felt pretty week. Then I started comparing to last week, and realized I was STRONGER! Even though I was exhausted, my strength was still inching up. Not a ton, but instead of 5 reps on leg extensions, I got 6, for instance. As I said, I will take any strength gains I can get on this diet - I really shouldn't be getting stronger at all.

I've been doing 2 pumps in the morning, 1 pump in the afternoon, and 1 pump at night since Sunday. I get some flashes of heat, but I honestly don't notice the heat like everyone else for some reason....
 
HIT4ME said:
Sorry for the no updates guys. I've been crazy busy since this weekend and haven't been online much. I had a funeral on Saturday and a lot of other things going on and wound up going off the diet for another cheat meal. On Sunday I weighed 181, and my weight AND waist have been stuck at 181 and 39.5" Even though I've been below 800 calories again for Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday, I was still at this same weight today. Maybe I will drop it all at once, it happens, so I'm not worried. I will just keep at it.

I did have a leg workout on Monday, despite being exhausted I forced myself to get it in. I started off and felt pretty week. Then I started comparing to last week, and realized I was STRONGER! Even though I was exhausted, my strength was still inching up. Not a ton, but instead of 5 reps on leg extensions, I got 6, for instance. As I said, I will take any strength gains I can get on this diet - I really shouldn't be getting stronger at all.

I've been doing 2 pumps in the morning, 1 pump in the afternoon, and 1 pump at night since Sunday. I get some flashes of heat, but I honestly don't notice the heat like everyone else for some reason....
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Personally i think your calories are way too low and you've probably crashed your metabolism.

There is no reason for a grown man to need to go much below 1800-2000 calories when dieting,
especially when you weigh 181lbs.

I started my diet @ 230lbs 3 years ago

I lost 35lbs in the 1st 4-5 months on about 2200-2200 calories a day, then stalled for 30 days, changed my diet
completely and ended up taking in an addition 100-200 calories per day, and lost another 30lbs in 4 months.

Now I'm trying to lose the last 10lbs and Im still @ 1800-2000 calories a day and Im 160 now.

People that drop calories too severely, end up losing lots of weight initially, but then the body goes into starvation
mode, because your not taking in any calories and that this point, it doesnt want to lose weight, because it thinks
you're starving..!!!
 
vujade said:
Personally i think your calories are way too low and you've probably crashed your metabolism.

There is no reason for a grown man to need to go much below 1800-2000 calories when dieting,
especially when you weigh 181lbs.

I started my diet @ 230lbs 3 years ago

I lost 35lbs in the 1st 4-5 months on about 2200-2200 calories a day, then stalled for 30 days, changed my diet
completely and ended up taking in an addition 100-200 calories per day, and lost another 30lbs in 4 months.

Now I'm trying to lose the last 10lbs and Im still @ 1800-2000 calories a day and Im 160 now.

People that drop calories too severely, end up losing lots of weight initially, but then the body goes into starvation
mode, because your not taking in any calories and that this point, it doesnt want to lose weight, because it thinks
you're starving..!!!
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ON point here.

Cortisol has prob SPIKED from the stress too. Calories (imo), should be the last thing to drop because you can only go so far before it becomes counterproductive.

I usually hit a progressive change in diet/macros over time, progressive increases in exercise/intensity, THEN slowly drop cals like 5-10% (depending on goals and length).

Just my 2 cents.
 
vujade said:
Personally i think your calories are way too low and you've probably crashed your metabolism.

There is no reason for a grown man to need to go much below 1800-2000 calories when dieting,
especially when you weigh 181lbs.

I started my diet @ 230lbs 3 years ago

I lost 35lbs in the 1st 4-5 months on about 2200-2200 calories a day, then stalled for 30 days, changed my diet
completely and ended up taking in an addition 100-200 calories per day, and lost another 30lbs in 4 months.

Now I'm trying to lose the last 10lbs and Im still @ 1800-2000 calories a day and Im 160 now.

People that drop calories too severely, end up losing lots of weight initially, but then the body goes into starvation
mode, because your not taking in any calories and that this point, it doesnt want to lose weight, because it thinks
you're starving..!!!
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Could be...don't know on this. I'm going to keep plugging....1 week isn't that much to worry about. Like I said, I had a second cheat meal on Saturday. As Kboxer has said - my cortisol is kind of through the roof right now too.

I have this personality flaw though. I'm like a light switch - on or off. No other gears. That is how I do things - all out or (kind of) not at all. I have a plan to eat healthier, at larger caloric levels, but I am looking to get as low as possible, as quickly as possible so I can focus on the increased calories as a muscle building goal. It may not be the best way, but it may be the only path my brain will stick to.

What I've seen is that I often hit what appears to be a plateau on this diet (I was on it from Jan. 15- the end of May). I can stick to it, and nothing will happen, and then suddenly I'll get a big swoosh. This didn't happen last week, I had a really good week and it was very consistent. Now, I'm sticking, and I would bet that I will have a couple pound drop and/or next week will be more dramatic again. If this goes on for a couple of weeks, I will make a change - but I'm going to ride it out a little longer.

I think the cheat meals do play an important role mentally and maybe even physically in my case....but you have to be willing to take the good with the bad.

Also, on a positive note - I had to tighten up my belt to the last notch maybe around Friday of last week. It felt really good to be on that last notch. Today, I was walking around and I kept having to hike up my pants. I felt like I was swimming in them. I mean, the belt felt really lose. I walked into my office and the woman at the front desk stopped me and said, "Have you lost a bunch more weight in the last month?" I said, "Maybe about 10 pounds" just because I wasn't really thinking (it's been more like 15) and she said, it may just be your clothes, but that 10 pounds is really noticeable.

Then I came home and decided to try on a pair of jeans I have that were too small (32s) ...these jeans would go on but I looked like an 80's rock star about 2 weeks ago.....they are brand new so they are tighter than I'd like, but they fit and no one would think they are tight if I wore them. Another 5 pounds and this will be my every day pair of jeans and the pair I am using now will be big.

Maybe just another example of the scale being only one tool.

Vujade and Kboxer - thank you for your comments, definitely good advice. I'm just a bit of an extremist and it's worked so far, and I am not going to change course just yet. Your ideas are in my head though and being considered. I figured that when I got to the last 10 pounds or so, I may have to change a lot up. I know that once I hit 155-160 everything will have to change....
 
Update- 181 pounds and 39.5".

Scale not moving at all suggests I have reached that point and that Kboxer and Vujade are correct. I am going to plug through today and tomorrow, have my cheat, and then see what happens by Monday morning.

Like I said, I don't want to put too much on just the scale. My strength is creeping up. My pants are falling off. People are making g comments. The mirror suggests improvement. Maybe I am just holding water or something....
 
Exotherm shouldn't allow you to hold a lot of water. Bloat shouldn't be an issue.

I'm pretty sure it's your diet.
 
Well I remember a while ago I when I was cutting but strictly just lowering calories I stalled at one point and just started bulking. Maybe add in more cardio and like was said before you may be in too low of a deficiency.
 
halfhuman said:
Exotherm shouldn't allow you to hold a lot of water. Bloat shouldn't be an issue.

I'm pretty sure it's your diet.
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Yep, likely diet.

Though I'll leave room for the possibility that he's recomping with the help of the supps.

Still prob diet though.
 
Morning weigh in - 178.5 pounds, 39 1/4" waist.

Mirror is showing increased definition, slightly. I still have a lot of fat around my stomach, so until that is gone, it is hard to be confident that I'm losing, but my chest, back, rib cage, etc. have improvements it would seem.

Keep in mind also, I'm not doing as well as I would like with the workouts - things have just gotten out of control and I am completely exhausted. This week wasn't as good as last, but I anticipate that next week will be much better.

I put a little DMSO on after I used the ET last night and an hour or so later when I was going to sleep I noticed a burning sensation in the application area. Nothing painful or bad, just maybe more of what others have noticed? I'm wondering if my oily Italian skin might be hindering absorption, even though it seems to be working pretty well.
 
So I weighed myself earlier today and I was up only to about 179-179.5, which is good because I normally gain a few pounds just from all the water I drink every day, during the day. I typically lose 2-3 pounds just during my sleep at night. I am looking leaner.

Just had my chest workout and I felt strong doing it. I pretty much matched weight and reps from last workout, with 2-3 improved sets, notably my first set. I think I was going at a faster pace than normal though, which is good. Being on this diet, I tend to drag a bit and I wasn't feeling that so much tonight. I also felt like my mind-muscle connection was much stronger than normal, and I was aggressive in the workout. Even though I didn't see very notable strength increases, I felt strong and I really don't expect ANY strength increase while on this crazy diet.

I've been applying a little DMSO before I use the ET today. I've noted some funny things. I've been using Purell after the exotherm dries and over the past few days I've noticed that when I get up and shower in the morning, I have an oily film still left that I have to wash off. Now, with the DMSO, I poured a little onto bunched up toilet paper (I don't have cotton balls...gotta get me some) and spread it over the application site....and the toilet paper turned yellow, almost like the chrysin from the previous application was still in my skin and the DMSO was pulling it out. My skin doesn't look yellow and beyond the morning showers my skin feels normal and dry....it was just strange. Probably a sign that my oily skin is causing absorption problems if anything....or that maybe the DMSO is just turning the paper yellowish and it looks like the chrysin. Probably doesn't mean anything.

I've been at 4 pumps for a little bit now and I have NO joint pain from this whatsoever. Actually, my shoulder that acts up a little was doing better than normal during my workout....maybe the Orange Triad I started using when I ran out of my multi.

I just looked back and on July 20th I was at 197 pounds. On July 21st, I was at 192 pounds. The big drop was from the diet kicking in...but it appears I've lost a solid 13.5 pounds in about 30 days, in spite of the extra cheat meals and stress and work load. This is comparable to what I'd normally see with just the PSMF, but with all of the extraneous issues, I doubt I would have faired that well without the ET. Plus, I'm seeing minor strength increases at the same time, which is phenomenal IMO.
 
Had my Friday night cheat meal, weight is now back to 181 and waist is 39 1/4". I typically gain a few pounds after that meal just in water weight, food weight, glycogen, etc. - it will come off over the next few days. This week should be better than last week in my experience. If not, I will need to change up the diet....
 
This is not over - things have just been way too busy. I have to be honest, after spending 6 of the last 8 months eating less than 800 cals/day for 6 days a week on a pretty regular basis, and burning the candle at both ends, I have hit my wall. Over the weekend I realized how incredibly tired and lethargic I was. I tried to do a back workout on Sunday night and I couldn't even do my deadlifts. My back is somewhat hurt, but it was really just fatigue. I did get 9 pull ups, which is more than I've done in a long time...so that was a plus...but it was just a horrible workout. I have realized that over the past 2 weeks I have begun to actively search for sleep, which I've never done before....it is like sleep has taken a priority whenever I can get it.

Given the lack of result over the past week, the advice on here to up the calories, etc., and my crazy schedule and lack of sleep I am just burned out. I came off the diet on Sunday night, ate relatively normally yesterday and had a cheese burger at night - and I'm up almost 4 pounds just from the food weight. I am going to take a couple days and be a little less strict about the diet, but focus on mostly chicken and broccoli still and try to recoup. I may give myself a week and then hit it hard again.

When I go back, I will probably increase my calories to a new level. I will take this week to think about how to attack this - if anyone has suggestions, I do listen, even if it doesn't seem like I do :)

At any rate, I am still noticing some slight improvements in definition. I took some photos and there is a definite improvement, IMO. My pants are much looser, my sides look much smaller, etc. I also, despite being tired, feel pretty positive and good. I have noticed that while I'm on this and the NALT I almost CANNOT get angry at things. I'm not a really angry guy, but I can feel anger inside and hide it well, and it just isn't there right now. Things that would normally be pet peeves and get me upset...I get some minor frustration with but they are much more manageable. The NALT may be a big player here, but others have noted similar mood improvements.

My second bottle of ET started sputtering this morning. I'm at 4 pumps, so it should last about 20 days, and I just started this log 29-30 days ago, with the first bottle being 3 pumps/day, so the two together should have lasted close to 47 days. I may get about 33-36 days out of the two bottles. My guess is the pumps are just not super reliable, which is the nature of pumps I guess, and I'm going to start using a syringe or pipette to dose the product. Liquids like this are tricky and I'm not upset, but if you're planning a cycle, you may want to keep this in mind.

No joint soreness, no warmth, no sides at all. Maybe my application sites are just "done" - so I've shaved my inner thighs and started applying there this morning.

I honestly feel like 3 pumps worked better than 4 pumps....but it is hard to say with everything that is going on.
 
HIT4ME said:
This is not over - things have just been way too busy. I have to be honest, after spending 6 of the last 8 months eating less than 800 cals/day for 6 days a week on a pretty regular basis, and burning the candle at both ends, I have hit my wall. Over the weekend I realized how incredibly tired and lethargic I was. I tried to do a back workout on Sunday night and I couldn't even do my deadlifts. My back is somewhat hurt, but it was really just fatigue. I did get 9 pull ups, which is more than I've done in a long time...so that was a plus...but it was just a horrible workout. I have realized that over the past 2 weeks I have begun to actively search for sleep, which I've never done before....it is like sleep has taken a priority whenever I can get it.

Given the lack of result over the past week, the advice on here to up the calories, etc., and my crazy schedule and lack of sleep I am just burned out. I came off the diet on Sunday night, ate relatively normally yesterday and had a cheese burger at night - and I'm up almost 4 pounds just from the food weight. I am going to take a couple days and be a little less strict about the diet, but focus on mostly chicken and broccoli still and try to recoup. I may give myself a week and then hit it hard again.

When I go back, I will probably increase my calories to a new level. I will take this week to think about how to attack this - if anyone has suggestions, I do listen, even if it doesn't seem like I do :)

At any rate, I am still noticing some slight improvements in definition. I took some photos and there is a definite improvement, IMO. My pants are much looser, my sides look much smaller, etc. I also, despite being tired, feel pretty positive and good. I have noticed that while I'm on this and the NALT I almost CANNOT get angry at things. I'm not a really angry guy, but I can feel anger inside and hide it well, and it just isn't there right now. Things that would normally be pet peeves and get me upset...I get some minor frustration with but they are much more manageable. The NALT may be a big player here, but others have noted similar mood improvements.

My second bottle of ET started sputtering this morning. I'm at 4 pumps, so it should last about 20 days, and I just started this log 29-30 days ago, with the first bottle being 3 pumps/day, so the two together should have lasted close to 47 days. I may get about 33-36 days out of the two bottles. My guess is the pumps are just not super reliable, which is the nature of pumps I guess, and I'm going to start using a syringe or pipette to dose the product. Liquids like this are tricky and I'm not upset, but if you're planning a cycle, you may want to keep this in mind.

No joint soreness, no warmth, no sides at all. Maybe my application sites are just "done" - so I've shaved my inner thighs and started applying there this morning.

I honestly feel like 3 pumps worked better than 4 pumps....but it is hard to say with everything that is going on.
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I'm my opinion just eat at maintenance and increase cardio. Keep fat high, protein medium, and low carbs. Use myfitnesspal to track calories.
 
CJNator said:
I'm my opinion just eat at maintenance and increase cardio. Keep fat high, protein medium, and low carbs. Use myfitnesspal to track calories.
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Thanks ks CJN. I don't really do well with trackers because I am bad at making decisions about food. I plan out my diets in excel and maybe plan a couple different ways to get my macros and plan what I eat and then just eat it. When I allow for any deviation from the plan, I crash and burn. I like food ha-ha. But I have no issue eating the same thing over and over for long periods of time ...especially if I get one cheat a week.

I've been thinking of adding in fats and a small amount of carbs. At least for the next week or two so that I can reset.

At this point you are supposed to come off the diet I've been using every 4-6 weeks for a 2 week break.. I was hoping to get to 6 weeks and this cycle wasn't quite as good as I'd hoped, but was pretty close and I think the exotherm had a role in that.

Over all, I think the ET is effective. I am thinking of saving my last two bottles for an exo, TTA, shift and Norcodrene run. I think that would be highly effective.
 
That sounds good man, as long as it works for you. Look into Target A2, I loved it solo and with preworkouts sometimes. Solid product.
 
I would gradually ad in some healthy fats. Don't go crazy. You basically have to reverse diet to
get your metabolism back working.

I'd also look into Epitome which will help with you Leptin levels, which iM sure are out of whack as well.
 
vujade said:
I would gradually ad in some healthy fats. Don't go crazy. You basically have to reverse diet to
get your metabolism back working.

I'd also look into Epitome which will help with you Leptin levels, which iM sure are out of whack as well.
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Thanks man. I was thinking that...mainly coconut/mcts and I already take 6 grams fish oils/day, etc. I think a few carbs may help too. The diet I am on is drastic and I actually like it, but I have to know when to take a break and get things back on track.
 
HIT4ME said:
Thanks man. I was thinking that...mainly coconut/mcts and I already take 6 grams fish oils/day, etc. I think a few carbs may help too. The diet I am on is drastic and I actually like it, but I have to know when to take a break and get things back on track.
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Any updates dude :D love this log!! not sure of your starting weight tho?? And what did you end up with in weight?
 
Jebrook said:
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I'm gonna run it for 8 weeks. If you're on HRT you can run it for long periods. If not I suggest 4-8 weeks then at least 4 weeks off. Opinions on that vary.
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Sorry to be a dumbass... what is HRT ?
 
Hey man, so yeah, I dropped the ball on this. Things got really crazy at the end of August and I've been flat out. I also kind of fell flat on my face diet-wise and I've been meaning to update this. At any rate, due to lack of time, poor eating, etc. - I've gained some weight back. I finished up my second bottle on August 30th, and my entire run was for about 40 days. I should have had 46-47 days out of two bottles if the first was at 3 pumps, and the second was at 4 pumps/day, but I fell short of that. It could have been pump issues, or just blowing through too much. But I am happy.

I started, technically, at 197 and 40 days later I was bouncing between 178-180. This isn't really accurate because I was on a PSMF and lose 5 pounds in water weight just from starting the diet, so a more accurate weight would have been 192 for the starting point. At any rate, I lost a solid 13 pounds on this I'd say.

I didn't get final photos, but here is a comparison of the photos I took after I started (posted earlier in the thread) and photos I took just 2 weeks later.

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I think that is a dramatic difference for 2 weeks - but I still have a long way to go.

Given my lack of diet and time, I've stopped with all fat burners, have been eating a bit more to get my metabolism going, and I have a plan to start up on Exotherm, Norcodrene, Shift, Epitome, and TTA in a few weeks. This should combine everything I know works, even a little.

I've gained back about 8-9 pounds and I'm hovering around 187-188 right now...but I'm eating again and eating poorly. I will be back at it in a couple weeks I hope, for a second run!
 
You just keep fighting brother! Keep up the good work.. I know how hard it is to lose that bloody fat! Im currently injured.. Got some nerves suck in my neck and shoulder... And getting treatments.. Im just waiting to hit that gym so ****ing hard!!!
 
IMO try looking for an appetite suppression but overall great progress man! We all have great up and downs but as long as you keep pushing!
 
Hey guys, thanks! I am not looking at this as something that has to happen all in one sitting. I started this journey almost 3 years ago at this point. I was over 290 pounds (at 5'8''!!!!) and I was completely out of control. I like to eat. I like to be lazy. I'm gonna do that stuff here and there. I try to focus on making 80% what it should be. The first 2 years I lost 40-50 pounds at a slow pace (obviously), I have dropped a solid 60 pounds since January/February and I'm just starting to get close....but I'm not going to view falling off the diet as the end. Just keep coming back, it is in my control, it just isn't always a priority in my life. Most people gain 5 pounds a year and after 10 years they look back and say, "what happened? Where'd this 50 pounds come from?" I figure if I lose 5 pounds a year, I'm better than average - and the ultimate goal is to get lean and then put on some muscle and wind up around 170-180 @ 10% bodyfat. That's probably a couple years off though at this point, but I will keep working towards it.

As far as the injury - that sucks DennisTheDane - I hope you get better quickly. It is funny - a lot of times when we are working out we don't wanna do it, then when we get injured we can't wait to get back at it. Human nature I guess. I want to hear about you getting back at it!

CJNator - I am hoping the Norcodrene and Shift are sufficient. I can literally go all day without eating if I just take Tyrosine and caffeine (or maybe even nothing), fasting is pretty easy for me. But obviously you have to eat at some point, and you want to make sure you get your protein and some nutrition - and when I get REALLY busy, I don't have time to make those small meals and it winds up being a quest bar or even worse, take out. Norcodrene and Shift are both great appetite suppressants.

I forgot to mention alphamax in my upcoming stack too - it will be Norcodrene, Shift, Alphamax, Epitome, TTA and of course Exotherm. I really am very pleased with ET - I used it pretty much solo and it worked. Nothing really works all that well...it is hard to notice. ET was the real deal. It wasn't magic, but it was solid.
 
HIT4ME said:
Hey guys, thanks! I am not looking at this as something that has to happen all in one sitting. I started this journey almost 3 years ago at this point. I was over 290 pounds (at 5'8''!!!!) and I was completely out of control. I like to eat. I like to be lazy. I'm gonna do that stuff here and there. I try to focus on making 80% what it should be. The first 2 years I lost 40-50 pounds at a slow pace (obviously), I have dropped a solid 60 pounds since January/February and I'm just starting to get close....but I'm not going to view falling off the diet as the end. Just keep coming back, it is in my control, it just isn't always a priority in my life. Most people gain 5 pounds a year and after 10 years they look back and say, "what happened? Where'd this 50 pounds come from?" I figure if I lose 5 pounds a year, I'm better than average - and the ultimate goal is to get lean and then put on some muscle and wind up around 170-180 @ 10% bodyfat. That's probably a couple years off though at this point, but I will keep working towards it.

As far as the injury - that sucks DennisTheDane - I hope you get better quickly. It is funny - a lot of times when we are working out we don't wanna do it, then when we get injured we can't wait to get back at it. Human nature I guess. I want to hear about you getting back at it!

CJNator - I am hoping the Norcodrene and Shift are sufficient. I can literally go all day without eating if I just take Tyrosine and caffeine (or maybe even nothing), fasting is pretty easy for me. But obviously you have to eat at some point, and you want to make sure you get your protein and some nutrition - and when I get REALLY busy, I don't have time to make those small meals and it winds up being a quest bar or even worse, take out. Norcodrene and Shift are both great appetite suppressants.

I forgot to mention alphamax in my upcoming stack too - it will be Norcodrene, Shift, Alphamax, Epitome, TTA and of course Exotherm. I really am very pleased with ET - I used it pretty much solo and it worked. Nothing really works all that well...it is hard to notice. ET was the real deal. It wasn't magic, but it was solid.
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Mad props on the progress!!!

I love the attitude of this process being a journey. You have come a long way and I wish you nothing but the best in your efforts moving forward. If you ever need anything or have any questions never hesitate to reach out man.

It looks like you've got a great stack put together for your goals. I'm sure you'll enjoy that run.
 
HIT4ME said:
Hey guys, thanks! I am not looking at this as something that has to happen all in one sitting. I started this journey almost 3 years ago at this point. I was over 290 pounds (at 5'8''!!!!) and I was completely out of control. I like to eat. I like to be lazy. I'm gonna do that stuff here and there. I try to focus on making 80% what it should be. The first 2 years I lost 40-50 pounds at a slow pace (obviously), I have dropped a solid 60 pounds since January/February and I'm just starting to get close....but I'm not going to view falling off the diet as the end. Just keep coming back, it is in my control, it just isn't always a priority in my life. Most people gain 5 pounds a year and after 10 years they look back and say, "what happened? Where'd this 50 pounds come from?" I figure if I lose 5 pounds a year, I'm better than average - and the ultimate goal is to get lean and then put on some muscle and wind up around 170-180 @ 10% bodyfat. That's probably a couple years off though at this point, but I will keep working towards it.

As far as the injury - that sucks DennisTheDane - I hope you get better quickly. It is funny - a lot of times when we are working out we don't wanna do it, then when we get injured we can't wait to get back at it. Human nature I guess. I want to hear about you getting back at it!

CJNator - I am hoping the Norcodrene and Shift are sufficient. I can literally go all day without eating if I just take Tyrosine and caffeine (or maybe even nothing), fasting is pretty easy for me. But obviously you have to eat at some point, and you want to make sure you get your protein and some nutrition - and when I get REALLY busy, I don't have time to make those small meals and it winds up being a quest bar or even worse, take out. Norcodrene and Shift are both great appetite suppressants.

I forgot to mention alphamax in my upcoming stack too - it will be Norcodrene, Shift, Alphamax, Epitome, TTA and of course Exotherm. I really am very pleased with ET - I used it pretty much solo and it worked. Nothing really works all that well...it is hard to notice. ET was the real deal. It wasn't magic, but it was solid.
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i will let you know im following your tread lets get back on track buddy! :D
 
Thanks guys. I appreciate the support!

Kboxer - thanks for the offer for help! You already DO help me - the people on this board provide a lot of great info. I go against the grain quite a bit, so I often may look like I think I know everything, but people like you on this board are constant challenges and keep me thinking, analyzing and trying new roads.

I hope that maybe someone else will find some motivation in my progress, as that is the ultimate reward. It's one thing to improve your own life. It's another to improve your own life in a way that inspires another to improve theirs.
 
HIT4ME said:
Hey guys, thanks! I am not looking at this as something that has to happen all in one sitting. I started this journey almost 3 years ago at this point. I was over 290 pounds (at 5'8''!!!!) and I was completely out of control. I like to eat. I like to be lazy. I'm gonna do that stuff here and there. I try to focus on making 80% what it should be. The first 2 years I lost 40-50 pounds at a slow pace (obviously), I have dropped a solid 60 pounds since January/February and I'm just starting to get close....but I'm not going to view falling off the diet as the end. Just keep coming back, it is in my control, it just isn't always a priority in my life. Most people gain 5 pounds a year and after 10 years they look back and say, "what happened? Where'd this 50 pounds come from?" I figure if I lose 5 pounds a year, I'm better than average - and the ultimate goal is to get lean and then put on some muscle and wind up around 170-180 @ 10% bodyfat. That's probably a couple years off though at this point, but I will keep working towards it.

As far as the injury - that sucks DennisTheDane - I hope you get better quickly. It is funny - a lot of times when we are working out we don't wanna do it, then when we get injured we can't wait to get back at it. Human nature I guess. I want to hear about you getting back at it!

CJNator - I am hoping the Norcodrene and Shift are sufficient. I can literally go all day without eating if I just take Tyrosine and caffeine (or maybe even nothing), fasting is pretty easy for me. But obviously you have to eat at some point, and you want to make sure you get your protein and some nutrition - and when I get REALLY busy, I don't have time to make those small meals and it winds up being a quest bar or even worse, take out. Norcodrene and Shift are both great appetite suppressants.

I forgot to mention alphamax in my upcoming stack too - it will be Norcodrene, Shift, Alphamax, Epitome, TTA and of course Exotherm. I really am very pleased with ET - I used it pretty much solo and it worked. Nothing really works all that well...it is hard to notice. ET was the real deal. It wasn't magic, but it was solid.
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Great man, you can be a inspiration for others; this is what hard work is all about! I ment like maybe one as a staple until you are ready to start upping calories. Either way man keep it up!
 
CJNator said:
Great man, you can be a inspiration for others; this is what hard work is all about! I ment like maybe one as a staple until you are ready to start upping calories. Either way man keep it up!
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Oh, gotcha - yeah...I'm eating a bit more right now so I'm not hungry. The diet sucks mainly because I'm so busy I don't have time to go grocery shopping and prepare food, etc. and I wind up doing too much take out. But that is just an excuse, I am aware of this....
 
HIT4ME said:
Oh, gotcha - yeah...I'm eating a bit more right now so I'm not hungry. The diet sucks mainly because I'm so busy I don't have time to go grocery shopping and prepare food, etc. and I wind up doing too much take out. But that is just an excuse, I am aware of this....
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You can do it I was motivated even more when you started your thread. You can do this bro!
 
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