muscleman
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The tub in the upper left hand corner
Excelsior pre workout
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cfisher52986
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Ohh that’s my Keurig coffee maker
zufir
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How is it? It really looks like the 11/25.
I guess I am partly permafried. I feel the 11/25 but after nine days of about 0.8 scoops plus half afternoon scoop I don't feel it so strongly and I thought I was gonna go to bed early but opening up this thread to do the research of my area of expertise Excelsior I did find I had some extra gas and eyes are open 13 hours later.... Lol
They should make a sleep supplement to go with it. Imperial sleeper the reaper of stims.
This is some weird stuff. I thought it was best tub since the older strong but I dunno my brain is melting fruit punch pot with a few healthy braincells and receptors swimming in there while others are long. gone fried up and other confusing my brain in the process of melting, fingers crossed, I hope I will wake up an even stronger mutant tomorrow!
My goodness are you micro dosing excelsior now ?
I don't even know how you can sleep... I can't even sleep on the same day if I take even 1 scoop of excelsior
muscleman
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Honestly, I have never been high dosing Excelsior. Only a couple of times when i was getting too caught up in this thread I was trying to increase the dosage but although kinda stimjunkie I am sensitive as well and higher doses of Excelsior gives me more sides than good effect and yes I do have a d h d diagnosis but I cant take that medicine neither because the sides have me feel like crap.My goodness are you micro dosing excelsior now ?
Not recommended but I mixed my 0.8 Excelsior with a bit over half dose of Olymus lifestyle levels a pwo with some kanna in it. Not that special but not bad but mixing two different PWOs with artificial sweeterners and flavours feels a bit crap and toxic in my tummy,
I want the pure active from Excelsior, just a a kittle bitter powder is no problem compared to big scoop full strange taste...
I dunno if the rumors about O.G and 3 fma were true and sometimes I sit and think if I could order although it has become illegal and importing very high risk in my country although actually getting prosecuted for a small amount found in mail I think has very low risk.
Has anybody brave enough to confess here tried 3-FMA and can you compare it old Excelsior?
I dunno 11/25 long lasting and all amd I do feel kind of relaxed but if doing something I find the energy and oh crap now its been 14 hours since dosing, not really hyper or anything but I was without noticing getting caught up in this thread starting to type speedy, but I definitely feel more grounded and sober on 11/25 than with strong O.G
I think it might be true with Smash actually having 4f-mph flourinated methylphenidate an analogue og pharma methylphenidate as in ritalin concerta etc.. Pharma methylphenidate was even more crap than dexamphetamine for me and I actually liked 4f-mpg better but still not great and the yohimbe sweats on Smash are crap but maybe lower dose
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muscleman
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You still think 11/25 is strong as fuark? after reading that comment of yours I had a small hope it was gonna be even stronger. I dunno U guess people taking it longer should be less sensitive. It definitely works long but I dunno still the new tubs for me are lacking a bit of up and go that my lazy ass sometimes need. I am afraid you were right in 11/25 giving acid reflux, my tummy actually felt worse than in a long time after drinking nine days straight. Rehab break possibly coming upMy goodness are you micro dosing excelsior now ?
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muscleman
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So do you only sleep on Excelsior off days?My goodness are you micro dosing excelsior now ?
It must be the mutagenic dark matter in Excelsior that will mutate you getting rid of unnecessary desires like sleep making you into a pure being of Excelsior spirit.
I am actually having an outer body xperience / dream that I am caught in some kinda planet with heavy gravitation;
The Garden of neverending lustful earthly desires it is called.
There is something called temporary illusionay satisfaction here and once you bite into these apples you find they actually taste like bitter neverending suffering.
But there was a snake who told me; Eat the apple! Its good stuff and mix yourself a scoop of the one and only true O.G Excelsior tub growing on that Excelsior tree, it will keep you moving and executing tasks
And here I am on a never ending bender off the one and only true O.G Excelsior.
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zufir
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So do you only sleep on Excelsior off days?
It must be the mutagenic dark matter in Excelsior that will mutate you getting rid of unnecessary desires like sleep making you into a pure being of Excelsior spirit.
I am actually having an outer body xperience / dream that I am caught in some kinda planet with heavy gravitation;
The Garden of neverending lustful earthly desires it is called.
There is something called temporary illusionay satisfaction here and once you bite into these apples you find they actually taste like bitter neverending suffering.
But there was a snake who told me; Eat the apple! Its good stuff and mix yourself a scoop of the one and only true O.G Excelsior tub growing on that Excelsior tree, it will keep you moving and executing tasks
And here I am on a never ending bender off the one and only true O.G Excelsior.
No I take prescribed sleeping pills on days I take excelsior, otherwise I can't sleep
zufir
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I did try to order some 3fma but nobody would ship to canada
zufir
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You still think 11/25 is strong as fuark? after reading that comment of yours I had a small hope it was gonna be even stronger. I dunno U guess people taking it longer should be less sensitive. It definitely works long but I dunno still the new tubs for me are lacking a bit of up and go that my lazy ass sometimes need. I am afraid you were right in 11/25 giving acid reflux, my tummy actually felt worse than in a long time after drinking nine days straight. Rehab break possibly coming up
After experimenting with 11/25 for a little over 2 weeks, I'll say that 11/25 is strong in the sense that you feel it within 10-20 minutes as opposed to 30-45 mins with the older batches.
I'm a little disappointed that the euphoria is very minimal compared to the old batches. I used to have, what I would call, ''post excelsior talks'' with my gym buddy but that is mostly gone with the new batches...maybe we don't have anything else to talk about ? Who knows
muscleman
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Hiya,
hmm honestly I feel the euphoria factor is more with 11/25 than with the 24 batches I tried. But I finished my 5/24 and 10/25 tubs a few months so I guess I am having lower tolerance to something in there but it is still lacking a bit of that forward energy.
I dunno I think actually individual biochemistry plays a bigger role than I previously thought.
Like some supplement and stims will deplete certain neurotransmitters and maybe you won't react in the same way cause dopamine noradrenaline or Norepinephrine in an individual system but might be a little low. Its not so simple.
So it is Bothe the batch and the person taking it and I feel that I myself react different to different tubs at different times.
And when I was taking my old tub regularly the new tubs clearly felt weaker in comparison but being off O.G they hit more again.
I think I am not gonna try and order 3fma it is only occasionally at night on Excelsior that this thought hits me that it might be similar to O.G but again recommend against as a pure powder stim can be very dangerous to handle.
Stay safe people.
adam.eth
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Shipment just arrived today, ordered on Sunday when I saw PN restocked. Red tubs, black Iids with ridges, Lot: IN093189, Exp: 10/2025. What should I expect?
My last order a few months ago I got all black tubs with smooth lids, but same lot # and expiration date as my current order. I enjoyed those ones.
My last order a few months ago I got all black tubs with smooth lids, but same lot # and expiration date as my current order. I enjoyed those ones.
cfisher52986
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It’s good . I got mine yesterday i tried half scoop yesterday and full scoop today. Good energy and motivation, very stimulating to sum it up
muscleman
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Great to hear it delivers for you
is it white powdery like 11/25? Is it possibly even the same batch as in same looking powder and effects?
I am having stim break today so naturally I feel I could use a really good nap lol
cfisher52986
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When I am over charged with excelsior I miss those simpler times where I could be napping and snoring
enjoy it!I do think it’s the same batch but different labels, like they ran out of 11/25 labels . It makes sense to me , it’s the same red tub with ridges on the lid. It was only out of stock for a couple weeks so I’m thinking they had the powder still but needed to repackage it in some new tubs
zufir
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When I am over charged with excelsior I miss those simpler times where I could be napping and snoring
I do think it’s the same batch but different labels, like they ran out of 11/25 labels . It makes sense to me , it’s the same red tub with ridges on the lid. It was only out of stock for a couple weeks so I’m thinking they had the powder still but needed to repackage it in some new tubs
I feel ya...
I just had the worst night of sleep yesterday after taking excelsior lol... I couldn't even rest even after taking phenibut
muscleman
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I sleep like crap too after Excelsior but 11/25 I really enjoy.
I did have a 10/25 a couple of months back before 11/25 came out. I dunno in my memory I clearly didn't enjoy the 10/25 as I do with 11/25. But I don't have any of that left to compare back to back days like I always used to do to decide what batch I should stock up on. With 10/25 at that time I didn't want to buy it again but I would surely consider purchasing the 11/25 again. They could be same batches and maybe I was off at the time of 10/25 or maybe I had taken too much O.G too recently so the 10/25 felt weaker or maybe they were different?
Anybody high up in the production chain could you please enlighten me on the subject?
Would be great to see exact analyses of each and every different batch of Excelsior to see the exact amount of psychoactive substances in them Lol
cfisher52986
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This would be great
You should wait for others to weigh in on this before buying but I think this 10/25 white powder is the same as 11/25 white powder
Supercellular
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@CATdiesel76 I think you’re the guy who says doomsday and excelsior’s last batch are probably the same? Does that mean 1 scoop of DD = 1 scoop of XL for you now cos I saw doomsday is marked down to below £70 now. But if it’s 1 scoop of doomsday = 1/2 scoop of excelsior I think I will try the latest excelsior as it works out cheaper per serving overall.
CATdiesel76
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There are some subtle differences. 11/25 excelsior powder burns in the mouth and doomsday doesn’t. Effect wise, very similar. I’ve mixed them several days like taking a 1/2 scoop of one in the morning and 1/2 of the other later. Really hard to distinguish effects. One thing of note was that after using excelsior for a few days I went back to doomsday and it seemed stronger. I do feel like my new doomsday tub seems slightly stronger than my first for whatever reason. But both kick in the hardest for me at about an hour and last a pretty solid amount of time. At least 3 hours with residual effects. Both give me the same cotton mouth and cold sweats that amphetamines do. They both honestly remind me of a low dose adderall XR with caffeine added
BUT I must stress to be cautious about buying doomsday because some people don’t get anything off of it. But I’ve given samples to 5 different friends and all had the exact same effect I do. So maybe it’s a tub by tub basis
Supercellular
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I’ve not tried excelsior for some time, not a new batch anyway but like the doomsday. I’d not be surprised if it’s the same stuff inside and people just respond differently based on placebo effect being stronger for excelsior. Either way if you’re taking the same dose then I’ll stick with the doomsday cos it’s abt $30 cheaper.
zufir
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I respectfully disagree
cfisher52986
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Supercellular
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I hear you but I’m reading people saying the latest batches of excelsior are terrible/great so it’s why I’d think placebo. The thing is what people could test would be measuring heart rate vs different batches of excelsior etc. We’re never gonna get anyone testing these like muscleman asked but would be interesting for someone with a good/bad batch to see if it’s different on physical metrics.
Justjoe7989
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Yeah the news ones from predator shouldn't be called excelsior.....or ally least have the same batch and exp date as the previous one there ok but terrible in comparison to the previous corresponding batch/ exp date
cfisher52986
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Hey there, What batches exactly are you referring to here ?
Justjoe7989
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11/25 haven't tried the new 10/25 from them but not gonna waste my money
cfisher52986
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So u liked the first 11/25 better than the new one with all white powder? Just wondering because most people prefer the new batch
Justjoe7989
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100 percent the new one doesn't compare
cfisher52986
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Wow I think there’s much more people that likes the white powder more , so that’s interesting. I have both of them and the newer one is stronger to me
Justjoe7989
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Apparently there's like 4 different 11/25
Supercellular
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Did you get yours from predator that time it was in stock for around 2 weeks only? @zufir @muscleman the same for you, I saw you post about getting excelsior and liking 11/25 so must have been the same stock?
Justjoe7989
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zufir
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I’ll be honest with you guys, with all the different details I see on 11/25, I don’t even know which batch is which. The ridges, the powder color, the texture, etc.
All I know is that my source gets them from ruesco and they all have ridges. Some have a red hue and some are fully blacked out.
The red hue tubs seem to have a little bit of red bits but not much. The fully blacked out tubs is all white.
I’m guessing my 11/25 tubs are the batch right before predator came out with the white powder batch because ruesco hasn’t sold any excelsior since.
Justjoe7989
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That's the good oneI’ll be honest with you guys, with all the different details I see on 11/25, I don’t even know which batch is which. The ridges, the powder color, the texture, etc.
All I know is that my source gets them from ruesco and they all have ridges. Some have a red hue and some are fully blacked out.
The red hue tubs seem to have a little bit of red bits but not much. The fully blacked out tubs is all white.
I’m guessing my 11/25 tubs are the batch right before predator came out with the white powder batch because ruesco hasn’t sold any excelsior since.
muscleman
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I have been enjoying 11/25 less and less, the euphoria is barely felt after a few days and then sides and tension and long lastingness still there but in the good maniac mood just a hazy and old residual stim just enough to keep from sleep
I think Excelsior with everything around it actually has the most power of placebo as well. I think people who drink it influence each other so we here at anabolic minds changes our own and others expectations,
@zufir I remember you said 11/25 gave you acid reflux and I was thinking that yeah pretty much any PWO do but then after a week or so I notice that my stomach is feeling more acidic as well....
A bit after a week I started to enjoy 11/25 less and less. I haven't taking huge doses, about o.8 in the morning some times a half in the afternoon and sometimes just some extra caffeine but I started feeling more and more spaced out kind not the over the top mania like with older batches but more like spaced out and tired.
It has been feeling a bit more toxic over time even just a half a scoop made me queasy but it was on too empty stomach just after waking up , yuk my bad lol.
11/25 is kinda long lasting could be used for energy but feeling more spaced out after using it two weeks , spaced out and still sleep bad but today even only half scope early morning lingers really late but had some Yerba guarana tea and that is pretty long asting too but doesn't make me feel hazy.
Somehow a hazy build up over time from 11/25. It doesn't give the same forward boost so maybe less on the dopamine but maybe more on serotonin which might explain some peoples euphoria but when you're lacking the biomedical fuel its not gonna hit you. Like I have read about m d m d hot releases a lot of serotonin but you can't use it often because it drains you.
This isn't as extreme but some of these new PWOs that might have new unlabeled ingredients are of course more risky,
Honestly my first week I quite enjoyed 11 / 25 but after a second week I have felt much worse, like a toxic build up and mood and haziness has been bad. Although I feel the side effects this batch in the beginning felt as an addictive batch because the first few days I did get som quite immediate chemical euphoria that only lasted for a short time.
This is a strange PWO and I feel my response is more all over the place than with other batches and after only 2 weeks I feel its worse than I thought more toxic and less enjoyable but I guess for people who only use it sparingly and enjoy those effects, I am split about it, sometimes I were enjoying the effects but sometimes the good stim turns into residual tension.
muscleman
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What's you guys batch number? @zufir I remember you saying strong as f u ark because you said you had 3 - 4 stopped sometime so I had somehow been expecting a bit stronger. It was still strong in a way, it was pretty good first week then less enjoyable or I got fried up lol
But sometimes in the past even 8/23s with the same lot number had different powders batches inside of the,
Justjoe7989
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Any one tried the new 10/25?
muscleman
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My 11/25s Lot is: INO 93321 what is yours @Justjoe7989 and yours @zufir ? If it matters but we have durk the obsessing elixir called Excelsior and people getting fascinated try and drink all sorts of batches shaken and stirred and with or without olives.
What is the truly magic way to drink Excelsior to give a right bite not just in flavor but effect wise?
I have been feeling more and more spaced out after having used 11/25 for 2 weeks but 6 days a week about 0.8 scoop morning plus half in afternoon.
Maybe actually no Excelsior or maybe after a break
What is the truly magic way to drink Excelsior to give a right bite not just in flavor but effect wise?
I have been feeling more and more spaced out after having used 11/25 for 2 weeks but 6 days a week about 0.8 scoop morning plus half in afternoon.
Maybe actually no Excelsior or maybe after a break
cfisher52986
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Yes I got it last week. It works great for me. My oldest tub is a 4/24 and this one is just as good. I use it for energy, usually a half scoop twice a day, really helps me power through work
Drakee
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Probably some neurotoxicity.
cfisher52986
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Maybe a break would be best , but also you could try taking less for the first dose, like .5 instead of .8
Half a scoop is a good boost without much of a crash
Justjoe7989
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Almost the same the black is a little more physical energy more motivation red one more euphoria both have a special chemical.... It was more like an amphatime
tstrogo93
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Thank you sir
Justjoe7989
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Gotta take 1.75 of a scoops or two super effective olat that dose
Justjoe7989
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Also theore you workout the harder it does too
zufir
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Same LOT number
Justjoe7989
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Takes about an hour to start feeling it one and a half to fully kick in l...also this is just my experience
muscleman
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yes it feels as if neurotoxicity builds up over time and even just half a scoop gave me funny tummy