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Looking at the label of Mitradopa the ingredients make sense.
acetyl l carnitine is kind of increasing the connection between signal substances:
Mucuna Pruriens is a more direct precursor to dopamine than tyrosine that is also in it.
Then people convert these things differently as each one of us is a unique biochemical system.
DL phenylalanine there are studies showing it is helpful in depression as it also a kind precursor.

But the price tag is too high for me at the moment.

I have quite a cabinet filled with various amino acids but I haven't had the patience and I haven't been careful enough to weigh them all out and record effects at different dosage and I dry scooped quiet a few times, Never do that with stimulants but with a basic amino acid like taurine I don't see much danger at all.

The combination of taurine and acetyl l carnitine was being used as a protocol at a specialist clinic treating ADHD and other things with a combination of vitamin and mineral analyses and using amino acids.

It is quite complex though these things and people respond differently.
Vitamin b12 is normally being sold a cyanocobolamine which means it is bound to a cyanide molecule that has toxic properties. Some people doubt how much can even be absorbed after that cyanide molecule is broken down.
Methyl cobalamin is generally well tolerated.
There is another form called Hydroxocobalamin that people who can't tolerate methylcobolomanine can take.

In biomedical treatment in which advanced tests of urine and blood is done and also gene testing and some mutations on some genes are often connected to the same symptom.
In the case of ADHD and autism and other people as well but they talk about methylation and for some people using methylcobolamine can be of great help and in that case it will help mental processes etc.
Drops with methylcobolamine and folate can be great for some people.
Some people might have strong adverse reactions as well.

I am just a beginner in these things but I am planning to try and use these things with more structure to learn what is helpful for me,

Nootropicc expert has a pretty good knowledge of amino acids he himself being diagnoses with ADHD.
I have never bough any of his products but just read up on some amino acids.

Throughout my life I have taken quite some risks and tried to mix many things.
I have gotten a little bit more careful
Thanks for the input! I have some mitradopa coming my way (hopefully) and I'll post here on how I feel combining the 2
 

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I couldn't imagine taking a dose of Excelsior (even from a weak batch) and NOT exercising, LOL. I am definitely hoping that my new tub is from a much better/more potent batch than my previous tub...
I am guessing I am quite a bit older and fairly fried and baked trying to push myself beyond personal healthy limits.
The rare times that I take Excelsior and train I am close to limitless in training but those I will be so fried from having pushed myself too hard and then not only residual effects next day but sometimes even a hangover,
not as bad as DMAA hangover I used to get many years back lol.

I have been taking Excelsior early in days aiming at endurance focus and motivation,

Like knowing that I should clean the closet properly but it was 5 years ago since it happened but then I decide and boom a shot of Excelsior and many hours of going through every little corner and old things that might have been clogging it up.

Yesterday was a great Excelsior blue berry picking mission. Hours and a bucket of harvesting the forests blue gold and then after getting home cooking fixing up even making the blue berry jam and drink the freshest the very same evening,
and some amazingly tasty dark brown muskvado cane sugar.
Last time having the intention though, I didn't make the rhubarb drink until 2 weeks later and half a kilo muscvado sugar had gone down when I half asleep in zombie mood wake up in the middle of the night on calorie restriction :ROFLMAO:

I try to tell myself to just train a little and be careful and not just go like some kind of stimjunkie all Excelsior up with good pace techno or progressive electronic dance music in my earphones.

But then tonite after reading a second collection of
  • Aesir faith stories Odin and Thor being the most famous.
  • Then tonite pulled an old classic marvel comic book in which Thor is defeated by Beta Ray Bill.
Thor and most of the Aesir gods are warriors violent with hot temper and sometimes worse the way I experience them in the old books-
The Marvel comics Thor is much more likeable character than in the old books when he in very short temper slays and crushes giants skulls with his hammer...

I dunno maybe I will just pick up the dumbbells again swinging them around the room like hammers.
And instead of just rave dancing in between sets do the groovy disco moves with dumbbells in my hands and then imagine how groovy I will be without them! :ROFLMAO:
 

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Thanks for the input! I have some mitradopa coming my way (hopefully) and I'll post here on how I feel combining the 2
Like Odin of Asgard keeps one of his eyes in the well of wisdom to know what is going on in the world I will keep an all flexing muscle eye on what is going on in the anabolic world of mortals. (y)
or maybe you´re also an immortal of some kind?
 
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Like Odin of Asgard keeps one of his eyes in the well of wisdom to know what is going on in the world I will keep an all flexing muscle eye on what is going on in the anabolic world of mortals. (y)
or maybe you´re also an immortal of some kind?
I wish I was and I also wish I had access to whatever asgardian steroid Thor was taking for Thor 4
 
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Got another red tub today. This was more powerfull. Thank god I listen to my gut feeling. The powder was even more grainy and sand like compared to my other red tub. So i only took 1 and a half scoop.

Now at midnight its hard to sitt still inn ny chair. My very hard muay thai session was over 6 hours ago

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I recently ordered a new tub of Excelsior from Predator Nutrition that should be getting delivered today. I won't have a chance to try the first scoop until Wednesday night, but I'll make an experience post in this thread after I've had a chance to try it out.

Also, you guys who remarked that the 05/24 tubs cause depression symptoms are on to something. The tub I just stopped using was an 05/25 tub (lot #90265, I believe), and I noticed that within a couple hours of taking a dose, I would feel depressed, negative, hopeless, self-pitying, etc. Of course, what sucks about this is the fact that even though the "lows" are much lower than what I'd feel after taking a scoop from a tub manufactured in 2020, the "highs" (e.g., euphoria, stimulation, overall energy boost) are not nearly as high.

Hoping that I'll have a much better experience with the next tub I ordered.
How was your latest tub??
 

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ya b
Got another red tub today. This was more powerfull. Thank god I listen to my gut feeling. The powder was even more grainy and sand like compared to my other red tub. So i only took 1 and a half scoop.

Now at midnight its hard to sitt still inn ny chair. My very hard muay thai session was over 6 hours ago

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ya bro my red 6/24 is very long lasting
 
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Same. Its been a while since my first tubs (2018 i think?).. but this one feel the way i remember the first tubs felt. The powder look the same also.
Ok bc I missed the responses. These are from Predator? If you dont mind me asking, whats the price tag shipped?

Does customs mess with any of your packs?
 

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Ok bc I missed the responses. These are from Predator? If you dont mind me asking, whats the price tag shipped?

Does customs mess with any of your packs?
ya from predator **** ill have to check i forgot what it was shipped but i think its 86 dollars and anything over 200 you get free shipping so 3 plus tubs equalsa no shipping charge.

Customs doesnt mess w anything from predator fingers crossed
 
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ya from predator **** ill have to check i forgot what it was shipped but i think its 86 dollars and anything over 200 you get free shipping so 3 plus tubs equalsa no shipping charge.

Customs doesnt mess w anything from predator fingers crossed
Okay I just ordered a tub from predator to test with 0 expectations and they confirmed my tub would have an expiry 06/2024.
This user on ebay showed the contents of his 06/2024 tub and you can see there are few ''sandy grains'' so I'm more curious about this batch. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/234636274420?hash=item36a1696af4:g:q0AAAOSwNmdi3xJP
Hopefully I'll join you guys @Frode Falch @tstrogo93 .. if not then I'll have another tub of kool aid.

Oh and I received my bottles of mitradopa thanks to @WesleyInman so I'll do 6 caps + excelsior today. @N2ofusion

Will let you guys know how I'm feeling later

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ya from predator **** ill have to check i forgot what it was shipped but i think its 86 dollars and anything over 200 you get free shipping so 3 plus tubs equalsa no shipping charge.

Customs doesnt mess w anything from predator fingers crossed
Holy *** @$86 a unit

I guess thats better then $400 off ebay

thanks for the heads up. I have some here still but when I run out I may grab one

Imperial has yet to respond to me and my guy on the inside literally fell off the face of the Earth. I can't even explain it.

Maybe they don't want us to know what's up with the US option? Thats the only thing I can think of.
 
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Holy *** @$86 a unit

I guess thats better then $400 off ebay

thanks for the heads up. I have some here still but when I run out I may grab one

Imperial has yet to respond to me and my guy on the inside literally fell off the face of the Earth. I can't even explain it.

Maybe they don't want us to know what's up with the US option? Thats the only thing I can think of.
Or maybe they're getting questionned by the FDA 😂
 

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Holy *** @$86 a unit

I guess thats better then $400 off ebay

thanks for the heads up. I have some here still but when I run out I may grab one

Imperial has yet to respond to me and my guy on the inside literally fell off the face of the Earth. I can't even explain it.

Maybe they don't want us to know what's up with the US option? Thats the only thing I can think of.
It also is funny bc frenzy and a few other DS supps list on the label "for sale in the EU only" it seems imperial is taking this strategy as well
 

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Holy *** @$86 a unit

I guess thats better then $400 off ebay

thanks for the heads up. I have some here still but when I run out I may grab one

Imperial has yet to respond to me and my guy on the inside literally fell off the face of the Earth. I can't even explain it.

Maybe they don't want us to know what's up with the US option? Thats the only thing I can think of.
also I would reccomend grabbing one now if you can just bc I really dont know what the next batch will bring lol at least this one we know is good
 
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I like that idea
I'd buy a sample but not buying an entire tub on the chance that its a good one. It's always the same thing, someone gets a good tub, hype builds up, everyone rushes to buy only to end up disappointed.
 

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Okay I just ordered a tub from predator to test with 0 expectations and they confirmed my tub would have an expiry 06/2024.
This user on ebay showed the contents of his 06/2024 tub and you can see there are few ''sandy grains'' so I'm more curious about this batch. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/234636274420?hash=item36a1696af4:g:q0AAAOSwNmdi3xJP
Hopefully I'll join you guys @Frode Falch @tstrogo93 .. if not then I'll have another tub of kool aid.

Oh and I received my bottles of mitradopa thanks to @WesleyInman so I'll do 6 caps + excelsior today. @N2ofusion

Will let you guys know how I'm feeling later

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How are you man?
I really would have recommended against doing a full 6 caps of mitra + Excelsior for a first a time!
You will be probably be fine having worked up some stim junky tolerance but combining and mixing different supps and stims is when things might turn bad
 

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I'd buy a sample but not buying an entire tub on the chance that its a good one. It's always the same thing, someone gets a good tub, hype builds up, everyone rushes to buy only to end up disappointed.
Predator realises people in here gets excited after reading good reviews here and laughingly trows in a bunch of bunk tubs in upcoming orders....
I promise though I will also post a positive review if you just please send me a tub from the good batch stack
 
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also I would reccomend grabbing one now if you can just bc I really dont know what the next batch will bring lol at least this one we know is good
I wouldn`t say some positive reviews here lately means all new tubs are good. I trust the honest reports here but with these sumps its just really hard to know if they are strong or not. I am afraid I am about to take a sucker shot myself to try yet another batch but try and keep my expectations low and maybe I will get a positive surprise
 

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Holy *** @$86 a unit

I guess thats better then $400 off ebay

thanks for the heads up. I have some here still but when I run out I may grab one

Imperial has yet to respond to me and my guy on the inside literally fell off the face of the Earth. I can't even explain it.

Maybe they don't want us to know what's up with the US option? Thats the only thing I can think of.
I did have the prime Excelsior cook in a movable lab in a van on my gps and last time I had a signal showing his location it was somewhere in the desert in New Mexico.. or was it a FDA proof bunker somewhere in Eastern Europe? Lol

Last message I got from him was that he was seeingg some beautiful crystal formation and he sounded extremely happy.
I couldn't hear the last words of the voice recorded message he left but I think he was playing the song Keep Trucking by the Grateful Dead and I don't know but it sounded like he was dancing or something... :ROFLMAO:
I would also be dancing if I had a crystal batch like that just ready although Keep on trucking is a bit too old school for my personal taste in music lol.
Sitting here though waiting for him to get back to me and send me some tubs.
Just hope he didn't get party crazy and drove all the way down to Mexico or something.....
 

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Haha i am 100% honest. But just remember that things hit different people in different ways.

But i can only speak for my own personal experience. And this tub feel like the old ones i took back in the days when i just found excelsior.

The other tubs i tried last year and at the start of 2022 was kinda "weak".. like they had some of the same magic if you took like two BIG scoops..

But this red tub was fucking magic. I did a three hour session again today right after dinner. Now i am sitting in my chair and twisting my restless feet at 00:50 past midnight.. no sleep for a while.. i am thinking about going for a run or something.

Looking at my post, i almost sound like that muscleman dude.

:eek::ROFLMAO:
Thing though if you have been may thaiing you might be able to sleep but not doing a hardcore workout and using Excelsior will keep it linger very long and sleep very difficult... I trust your review but I never trust Predator or Imperial to make and send same batches to different people....
 
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How are you man?
I really would have recommended against doing a full 6 caps of mitra + Excelsior for a first a time!
You will be probably be fine having worked up some stim junky tolerance but combining and mixing different supps and stims is when things might turn bad
One word: Horrible

I took 6 right off the bat and it was way too much for me, I had cold sweats, nausea and vomited at least 4 times then I tried to take excelsior an hour after feeling well and felt…nothing. My body was probably too tired from overdosing on mitradopa
 

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One word: Horrible

I took 6 right off the bat and it was way too much for me, I had cold sweats, nausea and vomited at least 4 times then I tried to take excelsior an hour after feeling well and felt…nothing. My body was probably too tired from overdosing on mitradopa
I told ya, sorry I don't have notifications for this discussion so can't always give advice immediately.
With age though I dose less and respect sumps more and more, the more different stims together the greater risk and Mitradopa itself being a mix of dopamine increasers etc... dopamine precursor would have been the correct usage of language here I think but Excelsior sometimes inspire me to bend the rules of language and almost even reality itself :ROFLMAO:
Anyway gotta get out in the forest been getting stuck in pc as usual today when dosing Excelsior lol
 
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One word: Horrible

I took 6 right off the bat and it was way too much for me, I had cold sweats, nausea and vomited at least 4 times then I tried to take excelsior an hour after feeling well and felt…nothing. My body was probably too tired from overdosing on mitradopa
I think most people should start mitra at 3-4 caps max. I have been using kratom for 8 years or so and 6 can be too much for me at times
 
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I haven't had sleep yet so I'll probably head to the gym to hit back but never again.
 

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I think most people should start mitra at 3-4 caps max. I have been using kratom for 8 years or so and 6 can be too much for me at times
is there Kratom in Mitradopa? Is it that rubiciae or what is it called on the label?
Not actually an opiate per definition but krater has some serious influence on opiate receptors and if that is thrown in there with dl phenylalanine mucuna prurient etc then hardening is also a mani inhibitor meaning that will also directly affect the balance of signal substances.
 
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Wooooooweeeeeee I slept a good 10 hours, now I'm ready for another 2 scoops of excelsior...ONLY.
 

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flour 06/2024 is my strongest batch
hmmm i have one i assumed was trash but i dipped my finger in it this am and licked it and it burnt like crazy which typically indicates how strong the tub is...so i may have to try... i got this one months ago
 
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hmmm i have one i assumed was trash but i dipped my finger in it this am and licked it and it burnt like crazy which typically indicates how strong the tub is...so i may have to try... i got this one months ago
if it’s a 04/2024 then it’s also a good batch imo. I have 05/2024 coming soon courtesy of @Deeznuts1985 🙂
 

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hmmm i have one i assumed was trash but i dipped my finger in it this am and licked it and it burnt like crazy which typically indicates how strong the tub is...so i may have to try... i got this one months ago
I am almost starting to believe you never actually tried some batches you had open!?

The grainy white red tub 5/24 from Predator has some decent activity to it although more mellow than O.G.
It´s just that I had some ridiculous strong O.G tubs open when I first tried it and I also took some Pharma stims then. Have quit all Pharma stims and cut down on everything.
If somebody is used to something stronger having another open tub being weaker is gonna make it feel weaker than it is lol
Not having had that strong stuff some of the weak ones are probably stronger than other stuff lol

And different batches or not. Receptors and and biochemical precursors available in any test subject will naturally affect all subjective experiences.
 

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Wooooooweeeeeee I slept a good 10 hours, now I'm ready for another 2 scoops of excelsior...ONLY.
Glad you recovered.
I would say only very strong and healthy people can keep taking 2 scoops of excelsior for some time...
Unhealthy and subjects of weaker constitution could have a stroke from the very first time....
To be honest though I was wild today, had 4g of an O.G tub and then an hour later topped it up with half a scoop of my 5/24. The 5/24 is kind of nice to compliment to O.G and it was great for a long day at pool with lots of swimming
 

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Red 06/24 is cocompletely **** ,its not OG formula ,i had all version of Excelsior. OG was 09/21 and 10/22.dont lie.
 

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Red 06/24 is cocompletely **** ,its not OG formula ,i had all version of Excelsior. OG was 09/21 and 10/22.dont lie.
Did you also buy your 06/24 from Predator recently?
I think quite a few people are aware that tubs with same batch number and date quite often vary from each other.
I am very sorry to hear about your disappointment. I was quite disappointed with the red 5/24 because I had been using really strong O.G 10/22 and 8/23 , and 8/23 varied and some of them were different but most of my 8/23 has been serious stim bombs with very extended action.

Sorry you didn't enjoy yours, it happened to me a few times. When you have been enjoying an amazing tub Excelsior and then dang next one is far from the same!

Congratulations Frode Falch for feeling that power. I know your a disciplined hard training man but I don't think it's cool to call other users junkies, but I guess some people just keep going never knowing when to stop.

I am keeping my expectations low but I took the bait and have a tub of red 6/24 on the way.
Stimjunky me hopes for a hard one but healthy me knows if I could give this powder up my natural power would increase.

But I have also non junky persona and that wise person knows Excelsior is the sneakiest addictive stuff ever. Not physically need more but the way in it enhances you.
Don't other people feel disturbed by having residual stimulation 12 hours later and even up to 20 hours I say on a strong tub?

It really mess my sleep up, if I had strong O.G after noon sleep will be hard unless I up the dose on sleeping meds and thats a pretty bad cycle.

For me though and not just Excelsior but when your heart still cannot rest 12 hours later.

I have gotten in decent shape lifting the last couple of months but I still really drag when it comes to cardiovascular shape. I am out in forest and swim and stuff but I think stims and especially stronger ones are quite detrimental to cardiovascular and heart.

To be a health person one day I need to cut it out. Too bad because with this stuff you cab really go beyond your natural level.
But if you were truly in touch with your own power that is also possible.

All stim users out there, listen and feel your hearts and if some supp makes it hard for heart to stop and sometimes even uneven.

I had a bad reaction drinking and old supplements called Pump on the beach, both DMAA DMHA and even touches of yohimbe and what not, then I had a low dose of Pharma dexedrine and I had some weak 5/24 Excelsior.
And that mix of different stims just felt pretty bad and stressful for heart.
After cutting down Excelsior the that supposed alone was pretty strong but again DMAA is the worst for me when it comes to mood. Was thinking about selling it here but I actually tossed it. DMAA is classified as a hazardous substance to health but even if other people can tolerate it I still don't like to sell some sumps I feel sick from.
Tossed my Phenta Plex as well. Even half scoop it just felt to toxic for me with undertones of vomiter sensations....
 

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Red 06/24 is cocompletely **** ,its not OG formula ,i had all version of Excelsior. OG was 09/21 and 10/22.dont lie.
Didn't you post here that you got an extremely strong red 5/24 from Predator God mode?
Some people say they felt 5/24 was fruit punch mostly but highly priced. In my experience the 5/24 was very mild.
Stim Gods send me a strong 6/24 or otherwise I see it as the healthy gods trying to save me :)
 

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And how many of you get swollen in the back of the throat making it difficult to swallow sometimes?
I do and I do some others have felt it too.
I suspect it is connected to thyroid somehow being slightly messed up from Excelsior.
But I have gone too late again. Probably need to mix a bottle with stims and keep it close to my pillow and drink it straight upon awakening.
Than is the vicious cycle of Excelsior. If you have the good stuff you can't sleep but quite long dosing again the next morning does a pretty good job at wiping away the symptom of sleeplessness until you crash again.
But moments of glory and it awakens ambition and acitvity like nothing else so I try and remember and can I be anything near that without that?
Actually totally possible and without stims I would sleep better and overall better health as well
 

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So after close to a half year without excelsior, i got a red tub from predator today. I took two flat scoops. And was expecting this to be a flat and boring experience..

Well i just finished a three hour muay thai session. And my body is crying for more training.

Wtf :eek::eek::eek:
Being without Excelsior for 6 months is really making a difference as well here I believe.
 
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