Excelsior pre workout

[Deeznuts1985]

Why?

What do you mean “why?” To say a supplement is made to make someone “high” is just ignorant and completely irresponsible. How can you judge something you know nothing about. It is made to help people get through their tough days, their tough workouts, their tough jobs and maybe make some of these easier to do with a good source of energy. To give them a boost of energy and focus to help them become more productive, positive and improve their mood in every aspect of their life. I guarantee you it was not made for someone to just take to get “high” and just sit around on their ass all day. It’s there to help people get more out of their daily lives.

 

[Frode Falch]

Maybe. But there is slowly becoming a group of "pwo junkies". They came from craze, and went over to excelsior.

The same ones who will pay 500 dollar for a old tub of excelsior.

Its getting kinda silly. And it ruins it for is normal people who want to keep these PWOs in marked.

 

[zufir]

The same ones who will pay 500 dollar for a old tub of excelsior.

opps

 

[Deeznuts1985]

I think there are “pre-workout junkies” who look for strong af pres and then there are people looking to get a certain “feeling” out of them. It used to just be that a pre gives you great energy and focus to smash through a workout. A good example was OG Jack’d. Now, a lot of people are looking to buy “euphoric””mood enhancing “”nootropic” type products with a lot of energy to accomplish more than just working out. Those descriptions definitely can cause people to buy a preworkout they were more than likely going to pass on. That’s how a lot of websites nowadays market & advertise them. It’s not a bad thing it’s just the evolution of the supplement industry. Idk, just my opinion.

 

[CATdiesel76]

u ever order from Krabot? They have the best Kratom extracts on the market. Mitradopa, I’m sure it was made with good intentions, is a bizarre concoction.

I have not but thanks for the recommendation I will have to try. Straight up kratom has usually been my favorite I have tried and I’ve tried a bunch. I personally love the formulation. I usually stack kratom with a bit of stimulants for productivity. I’d give Mitradopa a try I don’t think you will be disappointed. I reviewed a sample bottle and purchased a whole

 

[muscleman]

Maybe. But there is slowly becoming a group of "pwo junkies". They came from craze, and went over to excelsior.

The same ones who will pay 500 dollar for a old tub of excelsior.

Its getting kinda silly. And it ruins it for is normal people who want to keep these PWOs in marked.

I agree with this but I see PWO junkishness in a wider perspective,
pretty much anyone getting a buzz from a stimulating supplement are walking on a blurred line between buying a supplement and using a more or less mind bending or at least something that make the push their bodies.
@Frode Falch in my opinion you are not far away, I mean you having used Craze that was more or less proven to be a cousin of m e t h.
If you want to consider yourself a normal person using supplements I recommend you stay with PWOs without any listed suspicious ingredients or without marathon discussions like the very legendary were in right now lol.

But then even m e t h is in rare cases prescribed for adhd and on those cases it is better liked than other medications. I guess the risk of abuse is greater though and that is why it is not prescribed so often.
And being in a nasty tasty chemical powder is kind of safety pin on it was well.

Personally though I am getting sick from the artificial sweeteners in all of these supplements ..
I don't which one I react to the most is it aspartame? or whatever? The real sweet ones makes me instantly sick these days...

 

[muscleman]

It’s annoying when they change a formula . If you knew you could stockpile . However I’ve this laying here for over a year and I heard it’s good .. can anyone compare hydrazine original to this - Thermal Spark ingredients in photoView attachment 218300

About two months ago or last time I ordered, first I received a sample of Hydrazine with white capsules in them that was kind of descent, a calm focus without any jitters is what I felt. I do take O.G Excelsior without immediate sides but am very sensitive to any yohimbe and to any DMAA or even DMHA.

The a couple of weeks later I ordered o bottle of Hydrazine exp:2024
and black capsules and I honestly feel very little at all, once or twice maybe placebo effect of mild focus when added to another pre? But then taken on its own I felt barely anything, barely any increase in heart rate after taking 3 capsules.
I also did have a bottle in 2017 that I remember actually gave me a bad mood because I tossed it.

If you´re bent on trying it buy only one bottle at first.
And don't trust the samples, like I got white capsules in my sample probably being an older batch and then the black capsules probably being another batch.
Just never trust another bottle is gonna be like the last lol, or it might be? Lol

 

[muscleman]

I like where this is going….

Should I try 6 caps of mitra with excelsior ? @muscleman

Thanks for tagging me lol
But I have never tried mitra and although at my peak highs of Excelsior I might have been the most mania fuelled writer in this thread that is the mania junkie side of myself.
I am about to write a warning from the healthy better knowing part of myself.

Generally speaking be ver careful about combining supplements.
@zufir excuse for asking but didn't you previously mention how Excelsior managed to pick you up from a Vyvanse crash?
Vyvanse that is a prescribed amphetamine for a d h d
I did experiment with prescribed adhd meds ike Vyvanse and dexedrine and even when I took some of the lowest dose prescribed when combining them with other PWO and stims I quickly experienced sincere side effects and my heart started to feel like there was a knot in it or something even taking lowest possible dose of dexedrine,

I didn't realise it at first but after sometime it became obvious that combining different stims was a very bad thing for my health.
I am also 47 so these symptoms probably showed up quicker for me that it would for anybody else who might be 10 or 20 years younger.

Good news is that I never took a Pharma prescribed med after easter this year and my health has once again improved at record speed almost as fast as it declined in record speed making me feel close to some serious heart problem after only 6 months during which I took both PWO and Pharma meds.

Excelsior that I used to take less than one scoop alone never gave me such sides.
Side effects of Excelsior though:

1: The emergence of my mania muscleman personality instead of sleeping at night!

And yes I took it to give me energy. And yes it lifted me up from being exhausted and instead of resting that my body and nerve system truly needed I pushed myself to some activities fuelled by this designer rocket fuel.

Running out, tapering down and only using it occasionally I see it is mania fuel.

Maybe my body reached its toxic limit but I am also getting sick from pretty much any chemically flavoured PWO.
Actually rinsed my last 10/22 tub today.
Puked some red nasty Excelsior puke about 30 minutes later, most of it absorbed, I dunno if it turning into red melted goo as why it is making me sick? Lol

But a nice persistent sick feeling after drinking PWO is a good indicator your body recognises a poison!

Stay safe and had I known this taste was gonna make sick I would have stocked up on Thermal Spark instead of Excelsior.
But I dunno? Thermal Spark didn't feel as good as O.G Excelsior to me? Was it something in there giving a jittery touch? I guess main stim was the same but Thermal was a bit different? Anybody else who can compare the two.?

 

[muscleman]

opps

opps? ?

 

[muscleman]

Some gossip for people. I was chatting to the owner of predator and asked him about some of the stuff here and he told me that there’s a lot of stuff written here, like a truck owner supposedly owning imperial that’s “fantastical” (his phrase). He said the relationship with imperial is rock solid, he orders from same monthly pretty much and thinks they are gonna be exclusive with predator. Lol he said ignore the rumours here and the product hasn’t changed although he personally thinks it should be made stronger cos people get used to the potency.

Just out of curiosity, could you ask him where it is produced these days? And does the FDA have anything to do with it not being sold in the U.S anymore?

And if you read through this thread, do you think these many dedicated suppjunkies, working out ones and poetry posting ones really would have made it up in their own heads tubs are different?

After Driven Sports Craze Excelsior has the widest variation of effects in any supplements I have tried, well some Craze mostly just felt really weak and some of the different new Excelsior like last red 5/24 really felt like a new mellow stim to me and even a bit more sick inducing.

The potency with old tubs is why the made them weaker and different, no matter what it was in them, even as a stim veteran sleep is impossible for me 12 hours later even using less than a scoop of O.G Excelsior.
And late night anabolic mind posting will start in the middle of the night because muscleman cannot wake up his neighbours with weight lifting or dancing.

 

[muscleman]

Just wondering what role the Vitamin C plays in all of this. What does it do to potentiate the other ingredients?

I think its something thats gotten into peoples heads honestly.
According to official pharmaceutical information it is written that vitamin-c actually might speed up th break down of amphetamines in your body.
In accordance with that information some forums about stimulants recommend using something with the opposite effect, something alkalic to prevent the break down of amphetamines.
Try for yourself and don't underestimate the power of placebo!

Sodium bicarbonate or baking soda works to make body alkalic, making the body alkalic is generally recommended and some writings say that an acidic environment in the body is the growing ground for many diseases.
I personally I mix a bit of baking soda to balance the acidity of my powdered vitamin- c or ascorbic acid as it is also called

 

[WesleyInman]

Frode is not wrong. Many of us want the Euphoria effects and mood enhancing effects of a PWO with nootropics, etc, etc.

It is a fine line and the only thing I see in clients and customers is they want something "legal" that will give them these effects.

That includes me, except however I finally outgrew that stage, but let's not be fooled, I used high powered stims and nootropic blends for 20+ years.

I had the very first OG Ultimate Orange from Dan Duchaine in the early 1990s and that had Clen and ephedrine in it. That stuff was absolutely Amphetamine like and that got me hooked on the high powered stims/euphoria.

Only now that I am older and my BP becomes an issue I look for more modest effects and performance instead. But I still love some good old Nootropics. For instance I have Nasal Spray Noopept and I will even do 10mgs of that with my PWO and honestly it absolutely gives me more focus and "brain power".

It's noticeable. No shame in admitting that we want Brain and Euphoria PED's. Most of us in this game are addicts. Addictive Personalities. Just proceed safely guys, that's all.

I have been testing out a combo that I really like also that's not too overpowering and it helps energy, mood, focus:

1/2 scoop of Iron Forged Nutrition Contraband V3 pwo
400mgs 5-htp
2-3g creatine HCL
Grapefruit extract
Collagen
Mucuna Puriens
1 spray of Noopept (10mgs)

 

[muscleman]

Has anyone ordered any other PWOs from Predator Nutrition, such as DS Frenzy or DS Crz? I know that the "versions" of these products sold by US retailers get mostly ho-hum reviews, but a few of the reviews on Predator's website for Frenzy compare it to Excelsior, so I wonder if the Frenzy/Crz lots sold by European retailers might have stronger, uh, "herbs" than those sold by US retailers. Really tempted to buy a tub of one or both of those products but really don't want to get ripped off again (especially after having wasted so much money on bunk Excelsior tubs).

CRZ was way more bunk than mild Excelsior 5/24 in my experience and that was what made me stop chasing the new Craze finally... missing Excelsior for the first few years only catching it to get my hands on a few O.G tubs..... Please don't buy CRZ!
My only tub of Frenzy I bought those years back had some pretty strong stim but more shortlisting and not good enough for me after Craze and I never bought another one,

 

[muscleman]

Many of the experienced guys say, the product has changed….It’s common for these companies to sell tons, and then water down subsequent batches….(I’ve seen it in the fragrance realm too…A company will put out an amazing cologne, and then reformulate the next batches, for example, La Nuit delhomme)

His second point is just as absurd…Make an already extremely potent product (that has already put a member here in the hospital) even stronger?! …Some people abuse these pres, that’s why they ‘get used to the potency’

I like to ‘fly’ just as much as the next guy….but not with spiked/undisclosed labels and “hoping that I didn’t waste my money on some magic tub of pre”

I am suspecting Predator actually did put out some nice strong bottles of Hydrazine like @Frode Falch and his testimony that Hydrazine was back in good shape.
I did notice his review was just after Predator had restocked Hydrazine with same cable as O.G
I actually waited a few weeks after that to order and I saw that Predators stock on Hydrazine also refilled before I bought and my capsules truly felt week to me. I still do feel 200mg of caffeine clearly but even 3 caps of black Hydrazine and I barely felt anything...

 

[muscleman]

Frode is not wrong. Many of us want the Euphoria effects and mood enhancing effects of a PWO with nootropics, etc, etc.

It is a fine line and the only thing I see in clients and customers is they want something "legal" that will give them these effects.

That includes me, except however I finally outgrew that stage, but let's not be fooled, I used high powered stims and nootropic blends for 20+ years.

I had the very first OG Ultimate Orange from Dan Duchaine in the early 1990s and that had Clen and ephedrine in it. That stuff was absolutely Amphetamine like and that got me hooked on the high powered stims/euphoria.

Only now that I am older and my BP becomes an issue I look for more modest effects and performance instead. But I still love some good old Nootropics. For instance I have Nasal Spray Noopept and I will even do 10mgs of that with my PWO and honestly it absolutely gives me more focus and "brain power".

It's noticeable. No shame in admitting that we want Brain and Euphoria PED's. Most of us in this game are addicts. Addictive Personalities. Just proceed safely guys, that's all.

I have been testing out a combo that I really like also that's not too overpowering and it helps energy, mood, focus:

1/2 scoop of Iron Forged Nutrition Contraband V3 pwo
400mgs 5-htp
2-3g creatine HCL
Grapefruit extract
Collagen
Mucuna Puriens
1 spray of Noopept (10mgs)

Same here,
I only try these supplements because I try and find some kind of cutting edge stimulation.

When it comes to ergogenic etc.... as a newbie reading a bodybuilders magazine seeing pumped bodybuilders advertising supplements at first I thought they were gonna help.....
Well I think citruline and I think agmatine helps with vasodilation.

Some amino acids like tyrosine and L-Phenylalanine that are in Iron Forged Nutrition Contraband V3 (looks like a nice formula are interesting because they are precursors to dopamine.
Mucuna prurient a more direct precursor that tyrosine it is written and in theory would increase feel good of any stim and some people might use it to increase dopamine when not using stims.

5htp is mostly relaxing in my opinion? Was descent for improvement in sleep short term but I read in some forums that 5htp raising serotonin somehow isn't beneficial long term for signal substance balance. But I don't know much, the balance of signal substances and how amino acids affect them is individual and personal experimentation about what feels good is the way to go. Thank you for posting what works for you @WesleyInman

Noopept though, I have used 30mg in tablets but barely notice anything but maybe the spray is much more bio available?

Excelsior most addictive two supplement I have used after Gaspari Detonate and I still have managed to keep almost have a bottle for emergencies! Lol.

Sugar though for those addictive personalities, I have never been that bad with sugar until I started with dexedrine and I just got killer crashes from that like my brain was about to die when it wore off a few hours later and I would just reach for my brown cane sugar ( just a little bit less dangerous) and pour it yoghurt, mm tastes great, brown sugar and yoghurt, high fat 10% Turkish yoghurt. Sugar fat and even some protein for from the yoghurt and I also put on a ridiculous little tyre of love handle really fast.

 

[muscleman]

4/24

Its a very light colour. But more grainy then the last tubs i got.

For sure more powerfull. And this one mixed well. Like the old tubs back in the days.

The fine powder versions didnt really mix at all.

View attachment 218525

Looks just like my 5/24 from Predator. Clearly active but I feel a laid back kind of psychoactive feeling with this, not much energy or forwards feeling and lingering nausea... But it was clearly active, kind warm fuzzy chemical feeling in the back of my head and spine.

 

[Bernardhopkin]

The original DS frenzy was superb from Predator
One of the best pres I’ve tried . Gave you great aggression and strength . Unreal for interval training
They said it never changed but there was a new label etc and ingredients had slightly changed on it . When you mixed it , it didn’t have the effervescent mix it used to in the glass
I’m guessing they took out the Amp citrate at least
Again nothing worse when you find a great pre and they change it

 

[Drakee]

I think there are “pre-workout junkies” who look for strong af pres and then there are people looking to get a certain “feeling” out of them. It used to just be that a pre gives you great energy and focus to smash through a workout. A good example was OG Jack’d. Now, a lot of people are looking to buy “euphoric””mood enhancing “”nootropic” type products with a lot of energy to accomplish more than just working out. Those descriptions definitely can cause people to buy a preworkout they were more than likely going to pass on. That’s how a lot of websites nowadays market & advertise them. It’s not a bad thing it’s just the evolution of the supplement industry. Idk, just my opinion.

Thing is, everyone looking for "euphoria" is just looking to get high, but legally. Doesn't matter if they're productive af on it or sit around playing video games. That's why a lot don't care if something is spiked, they want the illegal drug feeling without having to find a street dealer. And that's fine, everyone enjoys being high, its natural, but don't try to justify it.

 

[muscleman]

The original DS frenzy was superb from Predator
One of the best pres I’ve tried . Gave you great aggression and strength . Unreal for interval training
They said it never changed but there was a new label etc and ingredients had slightly changed on it . When you mixed it , it didn’t have the effervescent mix it used to in the glass
I’m guessing they took out the Amp citrate at least
Again nothing worse when you find a great pre and they change it

Well I had grown to love Craze and Gaspari Detonate and even though Frency with amp citrate did provide some aggression for training it didn't interest me as it didn't tick my boxes for unnatural focus mood and long lasting as the others.
O.G Excelsior is even more long lasting than Detonate, maybe some of the strong tubs Craze also was but I only ever used a few of those and don't remember too clearly besides that the 2 tubs of Craze Summer Tea limited edition was stronger than any other O.G Craze or any other supplement I have taken.

But yeah sucks when you think you have found it again and then from 8/23 Excelsiors they were a bit mixed up although some as good as 10/22 but some less long lasting and milder but still stronger than 5/24

 

[muscleman]

I like where this is going….

Should I try 6 caps of mitra with excelsior ? @muscleman

What version do you have of Excelsior?
I said good luck to you when you previously tried combining Hydrazine and Excelsior.
I don't recommend such behaviour but I also dislikes when somebody is trying to tell me something the way a parent sometimes will without understanding what you are experimenting with at all.

Just looked at mitradopa and it has mucuna alcar phenylalanine and even hardening that is a mild mani that will increase the potency of any stem.
Combining a full dose of that with e descent dose of Excelsior has the risk of giving you over the top stim symptoms.
Because you have already posted about combining Hydrazine and Excelsior I guess you must have quite a stem tolerance.
An amazing thing if any stem junkie could ever manage is if you cut all stems for a week at least for after that even a tiny little dose of o:G Excelsior almost put me over the top again.

I would recommend start slow with the combo, maybe half Mitradopa and half Excelsior first and even that might be risky for sensitive individuals.
Yup stem breaks , really quite an amazing thing to make sumps work again but as temporary stem junkie myself I know it might be hard to make it through even just a couple of days without stems.
But taper and I normally taper and drink Yerba mate and guayusa instead

 

[Deeznuts1985]

Thing is, everyone looking for "euphoria" is just looking to get high, but legally. Doesn't matter if they're productive af on it or sit around playing video games. That's why a lot don't care if something is spiked, they want the illegal drug feeling without having to find a street dealer. And that's fine, everyone enjoys being high, its natural, but don't try to justify it.

That’s absolutely not true at all. “Euphoria” is not even close to getting high off of something. Euphoria is a feeling of contentment not highness. Maybe you look think of euphoria and think “oh, maybe it will get me high” but I sure as hell don’t. Caffeine itself can be euphoria to certain people. So can theanine, phenylalanine and dmha among many others. But the main point of what you said was that the product probably just gets you high. That’s totally wrong to assume that because you don’t know anything about that supplement, you don’t know how it makes you feel so saying “it’s just gets you high” is just an uniformed and ignorant statement.

 

[Drakee]

That’s absolutely not true at all. “Euphoria” is not even close to getting high off of something. Euphoria is a feeling of contentment not highness. Maybe you look think of euphoria and think “oh, maybe it will get me high” but I sure as hell don’t. Caffeine itself can be euphoria to certain people. So can theanine, phenylalanine and dmha among many others. But the main point of what you said was that the product probably just gets you high. That’s totally wrong to assume that because you don’t know anything about that supplement, you don’t know how it makes you feel so saying “it’s just gets you high” is just an uniformed and ignorant statement.

Thats definitely not what euphoria means lol. Euphoria is not contentment. Please try looking up the definition.
And really? your argument is ltheanine and phenylalanine? These will never give you euphoria. Not even in the same category as kratom and amphetamines.
Kratom is used by many to get legally high without needing real opiates. Sure some use smaller doses to treat pain, but thats the minority. That product would probably be just as good with the extract by itself. They throw in other stimulants in with the kratom that I'm sure synergize well though. No one is saying you're going to be melting on the couch.
Just because you're very functional on something doesn't mean you're not high. But whatever you need to tell yourself I guess.

 

[Deeznuts1985]

Thats definitely not what euphoria means lol. Euphoria is not contentment. Please try looking up the definition.
And really? your argument is ltheanine and phenylalanine? These will never give you euphoria. Not even in the same category as kratom and amphetamines.
Kratom is used by many to get legally high without needing real opiates. Sure some use smaller doses to treat pain, but thats the minority. That product would probably be just as good with the extract by itself. They throw in other stimulants in with the kratom that I'm sure synergize well though. No one is saying you're going to be melting on the couch.
Just because you're very functional on something doesn't mean you're not high. But whatever you need to tell yourself I guess.

That is absolutely one aspect of what euphoric means. I looked it up for you. Websters dictionary: Euphoria- a feeling of well-being or elation. Both of which can be a feeling of contentment or happiness. It’s not a state of highness. You’re not comprehending what I am trying to tell you. Obviously theanine is not in the same category as illegal substances or prescription drugs. It was an example of what supplements can give you a feeling of euphoria but not your definition of euphoria which obviously means to get high. The whole point of this was to not just say ignorant **** like you said about a supplement. To bad mouth and immediately say what you said is the definition of ignorance. Look that up in the dictionary also and make sure you start with the i’s because I have a feeling it might take you awhile otherwise. What I need to tell myself?!? lol WTF are you talking about. Go melt back into your couch, bruh. I’m done trying make you understand because obviously you lack the ability to admit you are wrong and should just say you are sorry for badmouthing a supplement.

 

[Drakee]

That is absolutely one aspect of what euphoric means. I looked it up for you. Websters dictionary: Euphoria- a feeling of well-being or elation. Both of which can be a feeling of contentment or happiness. It’s not a state of highness. You’re not comprehending what I am trying to tell you. Obviously theanine is not in the same category as illegal substances or prescription drugs. It was an example of what supplements can give you a feeling of euphoria but not your definition of euphoria which obviously means to get high. The whole point of this was to not just say ignorant **** like you said about a supplement. To bad mouth and immediately say what you said is the definition of ignorance. Look that up in the dictionary also and make sure you start with the i’s because I have a feeling it might take you awhile otherwise. What I need to tell myself?!? lol WTF are you talking about. Go melt back into your couch, bruh. I’m done trying make you understand because obviously you lack the ability to admit you are wrong and should just say you are sorry for badmouthing a supplement.

No its not contentment. Elation is extreme happiness, way higher than your baseline.
You're focusing way to much on a high being a negative thing and getting offended because you don't want to feel like a drug seeker. Its understandable.
And no its not ignorant, I can easily look at the ingredient formula and can tell there's nothing special about it besides the extract. Its very basic. Feel free to PM me if you ever feel like learning.

 

[zufir]

I will end this internet feud by saying I’m about to get high off excelsior and get that top tier euphoria my brothers

 

[zufir]

What version do you have of Excelsior?
I said good luck to you when you previously tried combining Hydrazine and Excelsior.
I don't recommend such behaviour but I also dislikes when somebody is trying to tell me something the way a parent sometimes will without understanding what you are experimenting with at all.

Just looked at mitradopa and it has mucuna alcar phenylalanine and even hardening that is a mild mani that will increase the potency of any stem.
Combining a full dose of that with e descent dose of Excelsior has the risk of giving you over the top stim symptoms.
Because you have already posted about combining Hydrazine and Excelsior I guess you must have quite a stem tolerance.
An amazing thing if any stem junkie could ever manage is if you cut all stems for a week at least for after that even a tiny little dose of o:G Excelsior almost put me over the top again.

I would recommend start slow with the combo, maybe half Mitradopa and half Excelsior first and even that might be risky for sensitive individuals.
Yup stem breaks , really quite an amazing thing to make sumps work again but as temporary stem junkie myself I know it might be hard to make it through even just a couple of days without stems.
But taper and I normally taper and drink Yerba mate and guayusa instead

I only have 04/2024, 05/2024 and 06/2024 left (OG black tubs and not that koolaid sold on PN)

Oh and you were right about that post depression on those new red tubs. My friend was questioning his life after a tub of 05/2024 from PN

 

[Deeznuts1985]

No its not contentment. Elation is extreme happiness, way higher than your baseline.
You're focusing way to much on a high being a negative thing and getting offended because you don't want to feel like a drug seeker. Its understandable.
And no its not ignorant, I can easily look at the ingredient formula and can tell there's nothing special about it besides the extract. Its very basic. Feel free to PM me if you ever feel like learning.

Listen to me!! I know you think you are tough behind your little keyboard but calling me a drug seeker?!? You don’t know me! Who are you to judge me?!? You are out of line and need to back the **** off!

 

[Deeznuts1985]

You’re attacking me?!? When this is about supplements?!? What’s wrong with you?

 

[WesleyInman]

Hate to see people I like fighting. You're both good people, maybe we can agree to disagree and move on?

Anyhoo..

What the hell is going on with Imperial. Their IG hasn't budged and neither has their website.

My guy on the inside disappeared off Earth.

Does anyone know what is happening?

 

[zufir]

Hate to see people I like fighting. You're both good people, maybe we can agree to disagree and move on?

Anyhoo..

What the hell is going on with Imperial. Their IG hasn't budged and neither has their website.

My guy on the inside disappeared off Earth.

Does anyone know what is happening?

We were waiting for your update man.. I thought you were our insider

 

[WesleyInman]

We were waiting for your update man.. I thought you were our insider

Maybe I was but my guy disappeared and I have been left hanging

Sorry.

 

[Carolina Kid]

Hate to see people I like fighting. You're both good people, maybe we can agree to disagree and move on?

Anyhoo..

What the hell is going on with Imperial. Their IG hasn't budged and neither has their website.

My guy on the inside disappeared off Earth.

Does anyone know what is happening?

Yeah, Imperial pulled a Keyser Söze on the FDA….

“The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist…..”

 

[Drakee]

Listen to me!! I know you think you are tough behind your little keyboard but calling me a drug seeker?!? You don’t know me! Who are you to judge me?!? You are out of line and need to back the **** off!

lmao sorry I got you worked up bud. Take some ltheanine maybe?

 

[Carolina Kid]

lmao sorry I got you worked up bud. Take some ltheanine maybe?

 

[jewgold]

Going to take some Excelsior and watch the tv show, Euphoria.

 

[Frode Falch]

Going to take some Excelsior and watch the tv show, Euphoria.

Pre workout huh...

 

[CATdiesel76]

My hydrazine came as black caps. They aren’t strong at all but there is definitely some sort of different feeling with them that isn’t caffeine. Not super noticeable but it’s definitely there at 1 cap. Inside of the caps looks the same as the white. Brown powder with big white chunks that taste like addy but who knows what it is. On another note, Mitradopa is strong as ****. I’ve been taking some m1t45 shots recently with no issues and 6 caps knocked me on my ass tonight

 

[zufir]

The more I read about mitradopa and its euphoric capabilities, the more I am interested in the product.. I'll see if I can get my hands of some and maybe try the forbidden cocktail of mitradopa and excelsior.

Obviously I'll try to find the right dosage for my body for mitradopa and then i'll try to add some excelsior.

To be continued..

obligatory tag @muscleman

 

[Frode Falch]

I am suspecting Predator actually did put out some nice strong bottles of Hydrazine like @Frode Falch and his testimony that Hydrazine was back in good shape.
I did notice his review was just after Predator had restocked Hydrazine with same cable as O.G
I actually waited a few weeks after that to order and I saw that Predators stock on Hydrazine also refilled before I bought and my capsules truly felt week to me. I still do feel 200mg of caffeine clearly but even 3 caps of black Hydrazine and I barely felt anything...

You might be right. I have tried three boxes of black hydrazine. Two of them was amazing
One was just okay

 

[tstrogo93]

Hate to see people I like fighting. You're both good people, maybe we can agree to disagree and move on?

Anyhoo..

What the hell is going on with Imperial. Their IG hasn't budged and neither has their website.

My guy on the inside disappeared off Earth.

Does anyone know what is happening?

i recently got a sealled red 6/24 from predator...in the past the sealed ones i got were always better and this one is def active and good...I have a feeling imperial is only operating through the UK now ie predator and they will be selling the new batches, which are good from what i can say from this batch, at a very high price.

And only in Europe

 

[SpicedCider]

I recently ordered a new tub of Excelsior from Predator Nutrition that should be getting delivered today. I won't have a chance to try the first scoop until Wednesday night, but I'll make an experience post in this thread after I've had a chance to try it out.

Also, you guys who remarked that the 05/24 tubs cause depression symptoms are on to something. The tub I just stopped using was an 05/25 tub (lot #90265, I believe), and I noticed that within a couple hours of taking a dose, I would feel depressed, negative, hopeless, self-pitying, etc. Of course, what sucks about this is the fact that even though the "lows" are much lower than what I'd feel after taking a scoop from a tub manufactured in 2020, the "highs" (e.g., euphoria, stimulation, overall energy boost) are not nearly as high.

Hoping that I'll have a much better experience with the next tub I ordered.

 

[zufir]

I recently ordered a new tub of Excelsior from Predator Nutrition that should be getting delivered today. I won't have a chance to try the first scoop until Wednesday night, but I'll make an experience post in this thread after I've had a chance to try it out.

Also, you guys who remarked that the 05/24 tubs cause depression symptoms are on to something. The tub I just stopped using was an 05/25 tub (lot #90265, I believe), and I noticed that within a couple hours of taking a dose, I would feel depressed, negative, hopeless, self-pitying, etc. Of course, what sucks about this is the fact that even though the "lows" are much lower than what I'd feel after taking a scoop from a tub manufactured in 2020, the "highs" (e.g., euphoria, stimulation, overall energy boost) are not nearly as high.

Hoping that I'll have a much better experience with the next tub I ordered.

Looking forward to your review. Is it the the new 06/2024 red tub from PN by any chance ?

 

[muscleman]

I recently ordered a new tub of Excelsior from Predator Nutrition that should be getting delivered today. I won't have a chance to try the first scoop until Wednesday night, but I'll make an experience post in this thread after I've had a chance to try it out.

Also, you guys who remarked that the 05/24 tubs cause depression symptoms are on to something. The tub I just stopped using was an 05/25 tub (lot #90265, I believe), and I noticed that within a couple hours of taking a dose, I would feel depressed, negative, hopeless, self-pitying, etc. Of course, what sucks about this is the fact that even though the "lows" are much lower than what I'd feel after taking a scoop from a tub manufactured in 2020, the "highs" (e.g., euphoria, stimulation, overall energy boost) are not nearly as high.

Hoping that I'll have a much better experience with the next tub I ordered.

My 5/24 tubs are clearly active but also toxic kind of feel mild kind of hihi But don't like it very much at all.

Different tubs and batches might make users more prone to depression nervousness etc.
one thing though, as users our state of mind and biochemical make up also changes.

If you drop some O.G Excelsior being on a emotional kind of high even before it is likely to be pronounced whereas if I was using it to force myself to get through paperwork I didn't enjoy it wasn't that fun.

Sucks I had to much paperwork my first Summer of Excelsior love... Did drop about 2 inches of bellyful though.... but then fat or not, better try and find happiness from inside ourselves instead from our mirror reflection

 

[muscleman]

The more I read about mitradopa and its euphoric capabilities, the more I am interested in the product.. I'll see if I can get my hands of some and maybe try the forbidden cocktail of mitradopa and excelsior.

Obviously I'll try to find the right dosage for my body for mitradopa and then i'll try to add some excelsior.

To be continued..

obligatory tag @muscleman

Looking at the label of Mitradopa the ingredients make sense.
acetyl l carnitine is kind of increasing the connection between signal substances:
Mucuna Pruriens is a more direct precursor to dopamine than tyrosine that is also in it.
Then people convert these things differently as each one of us is a unique biochemical system.
DL phenylalanine there are studies showing it is helpful in depression as it also a kind precursor.

But the price tag is too high for me at the moment.

I have quite a cabinet filled with various amino acids but I haven't had the patience and I haven't been careful enough to weigh them all out and record effects at different dosage and I dry scooped quiet a few times, Never do that with stimulants but with a basic amino acid like taurine I don't see much danger at all.

The combination of taurine and acetyl l carnitine was being used as a protocol at a specialist clinic treating ADHD and other things with a combination of vitamin and mineral analyses and using amino acids.

It is quite complex though these things and people respond differently.
Vitamin b12 is normally being sold a cyanocobolamine which means it is bound to a cyanide molecule that has toxic properties. Some people doubt how much can even be absorbed after that cyanide molecule is broken down.
Methyl cobalamin is generally well tolerated.
There is another form called Hydroxocobalamin that people who can't tolerate methylcobolomanine can take.

In biomedical treatment in which advanced tests of urine and blood is done and also gene testing and some mutations on some genes are often connected to the same symptom.
In the case of ADHD and autism and other people as well but they talk about methylation and for some people using methylcobolamine can be of great help and in that case it will help mental processes etc.
Drops with methylcobolamine and folate can be great for some people.
Some people might have strong adverse reactions as well.

I am just a beginner in these things but I am planning to try and use these things with more structure to learn what is helpful for me,

Nootropicc expert has a pretty good knowledge of amino acids he himself being diagnoses with ADHD.
I have never bough any of his products but just read up on some amino acids.

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Throughout my life I have taken quite some risks and tried to mix many things.
I have gotten a little bit more careful

 

[muscleman]

You might be right. I have tried three boxes of black hydrazine. Two of them was amazing
One was just okay

Well it's seems to a very common thing these days and especially with these cutting edge kind of stims, you never know if your gonna get the same batch next time...

 

[muscleman]

i recently got a sealled red 6/24 from predator...in the past the sealed ones i got were always better and this one is def active and good...I have a feeling imperial is only operating through the UK now ie predator and they will be selling the new batches, which are good from what i can say from this batch, at a very high price.

And only in Europe

How were the granules?
Were they white like Frodes?
So now they putting out red 6/24 tubs as well?

I only had one black tub 6/24 from Evas some of the last ones about one year ago.
It was pretty strong in its own way but a little bit more sickness inducing and not as energetic as other O.G

 

[muscleman]

I have been revisiting my kigelia africana extract. It is a white powder produced and sold by Sportpoeders in Europe.
It is not like Excelsior but about 150mg or so f it on top of some caffeine is pretty good for focus and energy for some hours.
Kigelia Africana and strong stims is something I don't just highball but use a milligram scale.

And guayusa more caffeine than Yerba mate but also thiamine and theobromine is what I like to use when I clean out from my chemical stims.
Guayusa hard to find at decent prices although this one shop in Poland has it and amazing collection of Yerba mate at amazing prices.
I can get kilos of refreshing jungle energy instead of one of those tubs....

 

[muscleman]

I recently ordered a new tub of Excelsior from Predator Nutrition that should be getting delivered today. I won't have a chance to try the first scoop until Wednesday night, but I'll make an experience post in this thread after I've had a chance to try it out.

Also, you guys who remarked that the 05/24 tubs cause depression symptoms are on to something. The tub I just stopped using was an 05/25 tub (lot #90265, I believe), and I noticed that within a couple hours of taking a dose, I would feel depressed, negative, hopeless, self-pitying, etc. Of course, what sucks about this is the fact that even though the "lows" are much lower than what I'd feel after taking a scoop from a tub manufactured in 2020, the "highs" (e.g., euphoria, stimulation, overall energy boost) are not nearly as high.

Hoping that I'll have a much better experience with the next tub I ordered.

Judging from my own experience mainly and many other accounts as well as reported I am convinced the main active substance is different in these.
Even starting with 8/23 and my quite strong 6/24 tub. The black 6/24 from Evas one year ago was strong and a little toxic feeling but not as long lasting and not the forward push of energy as I would feel from O.G.

 

[SpicedCider]

Looking forward to your review. Is it the the new 06/2024 red tub from PN by any chance ?

It is a red see-through tub, in fact

 

[SpicedCider]

My 5/24 tubs are clearly active but also toxic kind of feel mild kind of hihi But don't like it very much at all.

Different tubs and batches might make users more prone to depression nervousness etc.
one thing though, as users our state of mind and biochemical make up also changes.

If you drop some O.G Excelsior being on a emotional kind of high even before it is likely to be pronounced whereas if I was using it to force myself to get through paperwork I didn't enjoy it wasn't that fun.

Sucks I had to much paperwork my first Summer of Excelsior love... Did drop about 2 inches of bellyful though.... but then fat or not, better try and find happiness from inside ourselves instead from our mirror reflection

I couldn't imagine taking a dose of Excelsior (even from a weak batch) and NOT exercising, LOL. I am definitely hoping that my new tub is from a much better/more potent batch than my previous tub...