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EvoMuse Presents: Epitome™

NoAddedHmones said:
We will see, although I am much more interested in appetite control and satiety than further improvements in body comp. Has always been my issue in maintaining leaness.
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I must be confused, you aren't looking for positive body comp changes? What exactly is your goal then?

I might just be dense. Wouldn't it be a good thing if leanness was maintained regardless of if the appetite and satiety effects were in place? Hell I'd much rather be able to eat whatever I'd want and stay the same leanness.

I'm trying to lose some fricking fat! Love to be in your shoes of maintaining :)
 
Geoforce said:
I must be confused, you aren't looking for positive body comp changes? What exactly is your goal then? I might just be dense. Wouldn't it be a good thing if leanness was maintained regardless of if the appetite and satiety effects were in place? Hell I'd much rather be able to eat whatever I'd want and stay the same leanness. I'm trying to lose some fricking fat! Love to be in your shoes of maintaining :)
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But the fact of the matter is your idea of eating whatever you want and staying the same leanness is fantasy land. Don't take me as coming across as argumentative in this. I love matts work and have been an avid evomuse customer for years.

As ive stated mulitple times i am lean already, while getting further shredded would be a bonus the main reason i bought epitome was due to it purported effects on leptin, controlling appetite and limited urges for binges.

All those factors will go a long way in my eyes to reaching my fitness goals.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
But the fact of the matter is your idea of eating whatever you want and staying the same leanness is fantasy land. Don't take me as coming across as argumentative in this. I love matts work and have been an avid evomuse customer for years. As ive stated mulitple times i am lean already, while getting further shredded would be a bonus the main reason i bought epitome was due to it purported effects on leptin, controlling appetite and limited urges for binges. All those factors will go a long way in my eyes to reaching my fitness goals.
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I wasn't thinking you were being argumentative I just didn't know what your goal was. Genuine curiosity. And agree with fantasy land point, that was tongue in cheek! Hope you see some positive effects soon and we appreciate your support!
 
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I'm looking to lean out (sitting probably ~12%) and am going to stack with ephedrine, lipomorph and combustion. Any suggestions on dosage timing?
 
Fun night and kept carbs to under 50 for the day.
 
So second day of epitome and lipomorph and I woke up this morning, drunk my usual 16 oz bottle of water and within about a 2 hr time frame I hit the bathroom 5 times. Each time my bladder felt like it was about to bust.

Other than that, no increase in core temp or excess sweating.
 
Day 3 on epitome and I'm getting increased appetite all 3 days instead of suppression....even added norcodrene to mix and still hungrier than usual....is that normal? Leave it to me to have a weird reaction
 
mpkonig said:
Day 3 on epitome and I'm getting increased appetite all 3 days instead of suppression....even added norcodrene to mix and still hungrier than usual....is that normal? Leave it to me to have a weird reaction
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What's your approximate body fat percentage?
 
And do you know your natural setpoint?

Now, for some (like me) it wipes out my appetite. Ideally, it's just going to knock out cravings, which are different from appetite. How have your cravings been?
 
Not sure what you mean by natural set point.....I don't think I have cravings....I think it's just a increase in pure hunger...I usually do IF 19:5 or 18:6 and that has really reeled in my cravings and addiction to food and made me more disciplined with what and when I need to eat....but since epitome..it seems that my appetite has increased when my eating window comes around........oh..byw...just fyi stats....6'2 ..weight hovers lately around 270-280....dr. and trainer friends say that 240 would be a good weight for me since I'm pretty solid/dense muscle.....probably the ideal for an endomorph bodytype...lol
 
Set point is about the body fat and weight level that you tend to hover at without making any kind of special effort, either extra eating or calorie restriction.
 
Appetite suppression is a weird thing, not everyone notices it. People talk about the appetite suppressing effects of Norco, but it didn't do jack for me there. Alphamine on the other hand does.

Epitome so far for me has been mild appetite suppression, but the feeling of being full with less intake.

You're the first who has mentioned the opposite effect as in being more hungry. Just keep going and see if that doesn't change and keep us up to date on other effects.
 
Yeah...I'm hoping it will level off after a little build up in my system....I do feel that things are fitting more comfortable....maybe water weight ....wI'll see what next week brings...thanks for the replies
 
I guess maybe appetite suppression is a vague term. I basically take Epitome and lose the urge to eat after taking it, and if I do eat around the time I took Epitome, everything makes me full very fast.
 
ma70 said:
I guess maybe appetite suppression is a vague term. I basically take Epitome and lose the urge to eat after taking it, and if I do eat around the time I took Epitome, everything makes me full very fast.
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This is how I am. I seem to be getting full quicker or requiring less volume of food to achieve satiety. I'm not getting a holy cow I can't eat anything ever feeling.

FWIW I have like the biggest sweet tooth in the world and have a hard time not making some type of candy eating a daily occurence. Since starting Epitome my sugar intake has been almost non-existent.
 
Geoforce said:
This is how I am. I seem to be getting full quicker or requiring less volume of food to achieve satiety. I'm not getting a holy cow I can't eat anything ever feeling.

FWIW I have like the biggest sweet tooth in the world and have a hard time not making some type of candy eating a daily occurence. Since starting Epitome my sugar intake has been almost non-existent.
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For me, once I start eating stuff like BBQ wings I just go completely nuts LOL. Normally once I get rolling I can eat 50-60 wings at BWW, but the night I took Epitome around the time I went, I barely managed 30.
 
Very late to the party but after having read the Write up from page 1 I can see that Epitome and ALL evomuse products are well respected and are top notch!

Edit: just ordered epitome and CARDIOTRYX
 
jgntyce said:
Very late to the party but after having read the Write up from page 1 I can see that Epitome and ALL evomuse products are well respected and are top notch!

Edit: just ordered epitome and CARDIOTRYX
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Did the same... looking forward to Cardiotryx and its impact on my performance on wods
 
cubs1987 said:
Did the same... looking forward to Cardiotryx and its impact on my performance on wods
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from what I have read so far, Matt puts out products that work, so my hopes are high on the products I ordered.
 
Been on epitome for 2 weeks. First refeed was yesterday. Vodka induces need of carbs. I ate all day and now I don't wanna look at food. Had a 2 hour dead lift and good morning workout with farmers walk today. Feel on top of the world. Back on Intermittent fasting and did 30 minute row machine session. My boxers are loose. This **** is golden.
 
dsade said:
Set point is about the body fat and weight level that you tend to hover at without making any kind of special effort, either extra eating or calorie restriction.
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Is it possible that the actives in epitome are interacting with other ingredients in you regimen causing your purported effects?
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Is it possible that the actives in epitome are interacting with other ingredients in you regimen causing your purported effects?
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I can't comment on the low end but as a 30% guy I haven't seen any changes hunger wise other than after my refeed. I am losing inches but after a practical binge yesterday I had to force myself to eat one meal today at maybe 600 calories and I am still full after going to a concert tonight. Had to turn down late night dinner.
 
Asmodean said:
I can't comment on the low end but as a 30% guy I haven't seen any changes hunger wise other than after my refeed. I am losing inches but after a practical binge yesterday I had to force myself to eat one meal today at maybe 600 calories and I am still full after going to a concert tonight. Had to turn down late night dinner.
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Matt. Hook me up with some rebirth. I'm og avant and think I might make sub 20 for the first time with that and epitome! If I do that I might not even need hung, though I'll still buy it!
 
Not to spam but running train of thought And can't wait post in phone: I just took a midnight dose if epitome. Will report on effects tomorrow. Edit - nstr on midnight dose but still feeling good from refeed. Today is rest day.
 
Quick hit thoughts:

1) This stuff burns me up pretty quick after taking. I am like an oven. :o
2) BRB vascularity. Thought it was a fluke at first, but they start popping everywhere. The crazy part is how much my veins are noticeable at night (dosing in the PM currently away from my mid-morning lifts), which isn't usually the case.

For reference I am only using 1 cap (and I am bulking not cutting). Have other thoughts, but will save to see if they continue, but those are the two most acute things happening currently.
 
An even better product since it can be taken during a prohormone cycle!
 
bolt10 said:
Quick hit thoughts:

1) This stuff burns me up pretty quick after taking. I am like an oven. :o
2) BRB vascularity. Thought it was a fluke at first, but they start popping everywhere. The crazy part is how much my veins are noticeable at night (dosing in the PM currently away from my mid-morning lifts), which isn't usually the case.

For reference I am only using 1 cap (and I am bulking not cutting). Have other thoughts, but will save to see if they continue, but those are the two most acute things happening currently.
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I was wondering if the vascularity was a fluke or continued effects from my Alphadex run. My wife has been mentioning it since I began Epitome and I thought I was the only one. Keep us posted!
 
bolt10 said:
Quick hit thoughts: 1) This stuff burns me up pretty quick after taking. I am like an oven. :o 2) BRB vascularity. Thought it was a fluke at first, but they start popping everywhere. The crazy part is how much my veins are noticeable at night (dosing in the PM currently away from my mid-morning lifts), which isn't usually the case. For reference I am only using 1 cap (and I am bulking not cutting). Have other thoughts, but will save to see if they continue, but those are the two most acute things happening currently.
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Interesting effects you are getting. Are you in a big surplus?

So far from what im seeing people at higher bf %'s or people who aren't cutting are seeing the most effects.
 
First major chest meal in a couple of weeks. 1/2 large chicken - spinach pizza with 2 Slintensity.

The fullness is almost painful.
 
dsade said:
First major chest meal in a couple of weeks. 1/2 large chicken - spinach pizza with 2 Slintensity.

The fullness is almost painful.
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Did your major chest meal happen on chest day? Because all the cool bros do chest on Monday.
 
JudoJosh said:
Same. Got defuse, slintensity, epitome and cardiotryx. Wondering which are complimentary to each other
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Don't know where synergy specifically may be noticed, but I use all of these.

Though I've been using Defuse and Slintensity much less lately because my overall cals and meal sizes have been lower.

But in theory, they're a great stack for the goal of leaning out. ST before larger carb meals to shuttle to muscles and Defuse before a cheat or largest meal of the day to help prevent fat gain. Should only amplify the results of the Epitome.

And CardioTryx is a must for me. The fat loss and endurance improvements (over a long period of time) have been fantastic. I generally only take it before basketball the 2 days I play a week (which are my "off" days). However, every 4th week of my training split is an intensity week (e.g. 60 seconds of rest max between sets working 4x12 on 3-4 lifts per muscle group on a 3 on 1 off 2 on 1 off split). This week I've been taking it before these lifts and the results have been nice so far.

My dosing protocol is 1 hour before session and then about 15 minutes pre 1 scoop of PJE (preworkout) and 25mg ephedrine. And if a shake afterward, only whey isolate and no carbs (or just whole food meal after I get home). And intra is Compete + 5g taurine.

Highly recommend it.
 
Lately I have been doing two a days consisting of:
Strength Training AM
Metcon/Cardio Noon with Cardiotryx
1 Epitome at 5

I wonder if I could use the full epitome dosage and add 1 cap with Cardiotryx....any thoughts?
 
ma70 said:
Lately I have been doing two a days consisting of:
Strength Training AM
Metcon/Cardio Noon with Cardiotryx
1 Epitome at 5

I wonder if I could use the full epitome dosage and add 1 cap with Cardiotryx....any thoughts?
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When do you eat? I know Matt told me to avoid dosing too closely to my training to keep protein synthesis as high as possible, but depending on the type of cardio (e.g. if it's not lifting) it might be able to be used there.
 
I eat post workout after both workouts, so usually around 1 for the second one. I do bodyweight circuits/HIIT for my cardio. My strength training is long before my cardio (4-5 AM)
 
chedapalooza said:
Epitome should be dosed away from weight training? But still can be dosed pre cardio?
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I'll let Matt officially answer this, but what my take on it was to keep it at least a little ways (not too far) away from your training so as not to inhibit protein synthesis, though it would enhance fat-burning effects (but my brain is also mush at the moment and I know I was talking to him about ideal CTryx timing, too, so I want to make sure I'm not mixing the 2 up).

As for the pre-cardio, if I'm not mixing up what I was told, then it shouldn't make as much of a difference if dosed before cardio assuming that cardio isn't some form of strength training where your goal is also building muscle (e.g. when I play 2 hours of basketball, my goal is solely the calorie burn and competition and no emphasis is put on trying to build muscle whereas when I do circuit training I'm shooting for both).

ma70 said:
I eat post workout after both workouts, so usually around 1 for the second one. I do bodyweight circuits/HIIT for my cardio. My strength training is long before my cardio (4-5 AM)
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I know Matt said dosing around food times isn't all that important (and IIRC, was less important than dosing around workout times). He just has too many good products that I'm using now so I'm asking too many questions all the time lol.



On my normal Mon-Fri, I dose Epitome about 9 AM, don't eat til Noon (IF), and then take 2nd dose around 2, and eat my pre-workout meal at 3:30 and lift around 5.

Timing is a bit trickier on my weekends since I generally lift earlier in the afternoon. So a lot of times my 2nd dose of Epitome will come a couple hours after lifting and before I eat.
 
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