EvoMuse Presents: BRITE Enhanced Capsules (Writeup)

Well, someone seems to be AWOL again.

I'm sure he will magically pop up a couple weeks from now with some tremendous new studies on FB and act like nothing ever happened.

Ridiculous.
 
The1WhoKnocks said:
And maybe he could cut down on the pummeling of PM's by doing a better job of communicating on FB and this site. This situation just reeks to high heaven.
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Matt has been good to me about taking care of my orders but this is why I didn't bite on the pre-sale.
 
Is this what it feels like to be a booty call?
 
Man this is getting really late, I know they are a small company and face hurdles, but they should let us know
 
Jyo said:
Man this is getting really late, I know they are a small company and face hurdles, but they should let us know
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If the next FB post is a study on how awesome some random herb is and how it will be the next inclusion on X product instead of an update on Brite capsule status, this is getting addressed Festivus Airing of Grievances style on the page. Hate having to do that, but this is just unacceptable.
 
He replied a week ago saying he's having them overnighted and is waiting for a tracking number, idk what tracking number but they should be delivered by now, I mean I'm in India and it takes less time for mail to arrive from US
 
Jyo said:
Man this is getting really late, I know they are a small company and face hurdles, but they should let us know
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Strong first post
 
UPDATE: I've now been trying to get an update for 3 weeks. Finally got a hold of this jerkoff.

Product was guaranteed to be done on 2/1, which is when the runaround began. After getting my attorney, and other...less pleasant people...involved, we are supposed to have product on Monday.

All orders will get a bottle of BRITE liquid added, if you want to tough it out with me. If not, please contact me and I will do my best to refund.

This has not only taken out all of my capital for the DCP run, but also my entire personal savings. Chances of EvoMuse making it another 2 months are pretty low at this point, but I'll get these orders out.
 
ORDER #6807

Keep my Brite liquid to sell and just get the product to me when u can. I want to do anything I can to keep Evomuse alive. Keep your head up bro.
 
Yeah, Keep the write liquid bro, sell it and keep the company running. We love your products bro. Keep on going.
 
dsade said:
UPDATE: I've now been trying to get an update for 3 weeks. Finally got a hold of this jerkoff.

Product was guaranteed to be done on 2/1, which is when the runaround began. After getting my attorney, and other...less pleasant people...involved, we are supposed to have product on Monday.

All orders will get a bottle of BRITE liquid added, if you want to tough it out with me. If not, please contact me and I will do my best to refund.

This has not only taken out all of my capital for the DCP run, but also my entire personal savings. Chances of EvoMuse making it another 2 months are pretty low at this point, but I'll get these orders out.
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Also, I'd like to add another bottle to my order #6761 to India, Where can I pay for the bottle and shipping charges
 
Matt I don’t need the free product man, all I need is what I have already paid for. I truly hope that your business doesn’t crumble both for your own good and the good of us consumers, but I’m genuinely curious as to why your vendors always seem to be screwing you.
 
Jyo said:
Also, I'd like to add another bottle to my order #6761 to India, Where can I pay for the bottle and shipping charges
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I'll take care of it.
 
rowz4broz said:
Matt I don’t need the free product man, all I need is what I have already paid for. I truly hope that your business doesn’t crumble both for your own good and the good of us consumers, but I’m genuinely curious as to why your vendors always seem to be screwing you.
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I wish I knew. Something seems seriously wrong with this industry, and small companies get treated like dirt if they aren't putting in $100k+ orders - not understanding that if they actually kept their promises, then orders WOULD reach that point. Going from the BRITE momentum, I had a rush quote order in for the brand new DCP streamlined product with a brand new, POTENT PPAR delta activation. Instead, I haven't heard back in weeks which means it's also crashed out.

I'm finalizing this HUNG proposal, and in it is a full accounting for all necessary production equipment, that will also then be contracted out to process EvoMuse orders. If you can't get others to keep their word, then the most you can try is to do it yourself (after GMP certification).

This has pretty much crushed my motivation, and I will be likely ceding control of EvoMuse . I'll be putting up a canary thread, if for whatever reason I find myself compelled to recommend garbage. If the canary thread comes down, then you'll know that I've been completely broken, and don't listen to me anymore.

Watch the movie, Tucker, and see what happens to Tucker's dream when the corporate board of directors takes over.
 
This sucks, but if possible, dont give up bro. You have a lot of loyal guys here rooting for you. Find a better option than giving up control. If you can't at least keep ownership of your formulas.
 
How about a small business loan. And you don't have to over compensate for late orders I'm cool waiting a couple extra months.
 
dsade said:
I wish I knew. Something seems seriously wrong with this industry, and small companies get treated like dirt if they aren't putting in $100k+ orders - not understanding that if they actually kept their promises, then orders WOULD reach that point. Going from the BRITE momentum, I had a rush quote order in for the brand new DCP streamlined product with a brand new, POTENT PPAR delta activation. Instead, I haven't heard back in weeks which means it's also crashed out.

I'm finalizing this HUNG proposal, and in it is a full accounting for all necessary production equipment, that will also then be contracted out to process EvoMuse orders. If you can't get others to keep their word, then the most you can try is to do it yourself (after GMP certification).

This has pretty much crushed my motivation, and I will be likely ceding control of EvoMuse . I'll be putting up a canary thread, if for whatever reason I find myself compelled to recommend garbage. If the canary thread comes down, then you'll know that I've been completely broken, and don't listen to me anymore.

Watch the movie, Tucker, and see what happens to Tucker's dream when the corporate board of directors takes over.
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Take this with a grain of salt because from a business standpoint I don’t necessarily know how this would work, but you (amongst these boards without doubt) are one of these best product formulators. I think if you were to team up with a larger entity on this board (or whoever) you have less risk involved from a supply chain pov and would have to front less of your own money. You would still be able to profit off of your ingenious formulations and the consumers would still have access to these products.

I think that “guerilla chemist” does something similar to this. Like I said I’m not too sure how it all works but I know that if I owned a supplement company that really had a focus on putting out products that work and stand out from the rest you would be my #1 choice for product formulation.

I wish you the best man.
 
When I think of Evomuse I think of Fat loss creams. The other supps are cool-looking and fancy but your bread and butter is Eviscerate and Abliderate. Those will always sell. Lipoderm and other fat loss creams will never be on the same level as your Eviscerate and Abliderate products. The DCP and Clear edge products look cool dont get me wrong but I think if you geared your business to rely and promote those fat loss creams youd be better off. You could probably work less and not suffer as much when manufacturers fail their end of the deal. But thats just my opinion
 
rowz4broz said:
Take this with a grain of salt because from a business standpoint I don’t necessarily know how this would work, but you (amongst these boards without doubt) are one of these best product formulators. I think if you were to team up with a larger entity on this board (or whoever) you have less risk involved from a supply chain pov and would have to front less of your own money. You would still be able to profit off of your ingenious formulations and the consumers would still have access to these products.

I think that “guerilla chemist” does something similar to this. Like I said I’m not too sure how it all works but I know that if I owned a supplement company that really had a focus on putting out products that work and stand out from the rest you would be my #1 choice for product formulation.

I wish you the best man.
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He's absolutely right.
 
We're all rooting for you man. I was thinking wtf would a pre workout made by matt look like lol. I know what it's like to have your business plan not work (side note: I used to take modafinil to keep on going in the face of adversity and that did me good whenever I felt crushed for motivation, just a suggestion) I hope you find a balance, and most honestly better people to work with, because evomuse is the best formulation based company I've seen, and I've only gone through 2 bottles of brite liquid and I feel like a different person. So I can't wait to see what brite enhanced and your future endeavours would hold.

Chin up brother
 
As much as I HATE saying this, as I feel the whole point of evomuse is innovation, I would of course support a temporary contraction of the company to re-establish the foundation products as the top priorities. Anything that results in the company moving forward with Matt at the helm and him being able to have a life.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Nah, never ordered the Brite. And now back to keto so only using DCP, no Glycoshield.
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Gotcha. You could still use 1 cap of glyco on Keto for fasted cardio and at bed time, or dose regularly for refeeds/cheats but Lipøshield, Parøslim and Innøslim will be super effective on Keto.
 
I think best to get a buddy who into his tech - start fresh - shopify website with only some products... budget it all out— i hope hung will help things
 
00A said:
I think best to get a buddy who into his tech - start fresh - shopify website with only some products... budget it all out— i hope hung will help things
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I’ve spoken to Matt several times about picking up some or all of the evomuse formulas under HPS. It’s not a lack of funding but the fact that the ingredients used are so specific and uncommon that sourcing consistently and in large quantities is very difficult. This leads to smaller purchase orders which many manufacturers won’t even bother with bc it’s a waste of their time and resources. I have a GREAT facility who will run as little as 250 bottles for me BUT then you go back to the fact that sourcing raws for the formulas is next to impossible. Phenomenal products and super effective. I love evomuse. However they are simply not the kinds of products that can be mass produced like all the bullstuff flooding the market today. Hell, even Glycøshield is hard to source for because of the 10% corsolic acid. It is VERY expensive and has to be specially made for us with each order because no one in the sports nutrition supplement industry uses it because it cuts into their bottom line too much. Luckily HPS is not my main source of income and I do this because I love the industry and using science to advance our health and well-being and performance. Real science based products are expensive and difficult to produce. It isn’t Matt’s fault that things have turned out this way. It’s the fault of the selfish and greedy nature of the majority of the people who are in this industry.
 
chedapalooza said:
I’ve spoken to Matt several times about picking up some or all of the evomuse formulas under HPS. It’s not a lack of funding but the fact that the ingredients used are so specific and uncommon that sourcing consistently and in large quantities is very difficult. This leads to smaller purchase orders which many manufacturers won’t even bother with bc it’s a waste of their time and resources. I have a GREAT facility who will run as little as 250 bottles for me BUT then you go back to the fact that sourcing raws for the formulas is next to impossible. Phenomenal products and super effective. I love evomuse. However they are simply not the kinds of products that can be mass produced like all the bullstuff flooding the market today. Hell, even Glycøshield is hard to source for because of the 10% corsolic acid. It is VERY expensive and has to be specially made for us with each order because no one in the sports nutrition supplement industry uses it because it cuts into their bottom line too much. Luckily HPS is not my main source of income and I do this because I love the industry and using science to advance our health and well-being and performance. Real science based products are expensive and difficult to produce. It isn’t Matt’s fault that things have turned out this way. It’s the fault of the selfish and greedy nature of the majority of the people who are in this industry.
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Funny thing is both Brite Enhanced and almost all of GDAs would be much cheaper and easier to make in India. The GDA ingredients are readily available for very cheap, I stack my own for half the price of USA based GDAs and I have to pay the premium on buying single ingredients individually. Almost all EvoMuse products would cost half to produce in India and could be shipped to USA. The GMP facility rates are way lower, the labour is way lower, the ingredients are super cheap. Only needs a person to be physically in India.
 
Jyo said:
Funny thing is both Brite Enhanced and almost all of GDAs would be much cheaper and easier to make in India. The GDA ingredients are readily available for very cheap, I stack my own for half the price of USA based GDAs and I have to pay the premium on buying single ingredients individually. Almost all EvoMuse products would cost half to produce in India and could be shipped to USA. The GMP facility rates are way lower, the labour is way lower, the ingredients are super cheap. Only needs a person to be physically in India.
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Errrm cheap maybe there reason- poor quality- i dont think this good idea at all considering many ingredients not native to india.. apart from cheaper labour your statement says nothing about the quality of the ingredients.. sounds like another made in china thing
 
dsade heyy bud, please be sure to write like 5$ on the box, we have 42% import tax in India. I'd like to play 42% of 5$ and not 70$
 
Jyo said:
dsade heyy bud, please be sure to write like 5$ on the box, we have 42% import tax in India. I'd like to play 42% of 5$ and not 70$
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So you previous post was for your own personal gain- i think you just trying to gain for yourself let alone dsade- if so cheap in india why you order from usa
 
00A said:
So you previous post was for your own personal gain- i think you just trying to gain for yourself let alone dsade- if so cheap in india why you order from usa
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......because I'm not buying 10 different ingredients and mixing them and encapsulating them.....also they have like minimum 1kg order cap.......GDAs are like three ingredients which come pre encapsulated...
 
chedapalooza said:
I’ve spoken to Matt several times about picking up some or all of the evomuse formulas under HPS. It’s not a lack of funding but the fact that the ingredients used are so specific and uncommon that sourcing consistently and in large quantities is very difficult. This leads to smaller purchase orders which many manufacturers won’t even bother with bc it’s a waste of their time and resources. I have a GREAT facility who will run as little as 250 bottles for me BUT then you go back to the fact that sourcing raws for the formulas is next to impossible. Phenomenal products and super effective. I love evomuse. However they are simply not the kinds of products that can be mass produced like all the bullstuff flooding the market today. Hell, even Glycøshield is hard to source for because of the 10% corsolic acid. It is VERY expensive and has to be specially made for us with each order because no one in the sports nutrition supplement industry uses it because it cuts into their bottom line too much. Luckily HPS is not my main source of income and I do this because I love the industry and using science to advance our health and well-being and performance. Real science based products are expensive and difficult to produce. It isn’t Matt’s fault that things have turned out this way. It’s the fault of the selfish and greedy nature of the majority of the people who are in this industry.
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Well explained. I always thought that this was the main reason.
 
-RONIN- said:
Well explained. I always thought that this was the main reason.
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This pretty much covers it. Originality and innovation are constantly stamped out of this industry because...well, because it is insanely difficult. The incestuous relationships between supply houses and big brands is rampant, the same companies using the same garbage extracts with formulas that are nothing but marketing.

There's an insidiousness that I've run across so many times. Basically, there are about 75% of the people in this industry who don't believe that anything works and that it's all BS, so who cares about the quality? They are con-men.

For an example, in the new BRITE there is an essential compound called Beta-Lapachone (see the writeup). This is extracted, using methanol as a solvent, from Pau D'arco bark - which only grows in South America. The general extract available is a water extract, but since Beta-Lapachone is insoluble in water, you would be getting ZERO of the active compound. Most companies would cite the research, then go ahead and use the cheap extract, yielding nothing - but hey, it would probably sell until enough customers get burned by no results that it stops selling - then move on to the next scam.

Having to have the raw Pau D'arco bark shipped to a specialized facility that will custom extract using the correct solvent is just....more difficult. Not difficult, just more difficult, in an industry plagued by laziness.

The new DCP formula (a return to greatness, with a fantastic new PPAR-delta agonist...extremely potent, and I'm taking out the capsaicin to eliminate heartburn) uses a Dichloromethane solvent which, again, means that 90% of the supply houses refuse to do it.

It's just exhausting and disheartening, and I will not ever settle for crap. You guys deserve the best work I can do,
 
dsade said:
This pretty much covers it. Originality and innovation are constantly stamped out of this industry because...well, because it is insanely difficult. The incestuous relationships between supply houses and big brands is rampant, the same companies using the same garbage extracts with formulas that are nothing but marketing.

There's an insidiousness that I've run across so many times. Basically, there are about 75% of the people in this industry who don't believe that anything works and that it's all BS, so who cares about the quality? They are con-men.

For an example, in the new BRITE there is an essential compound called Beta-Lapachone (see the writeup). This is extracted, using methanol as a solvent, from Pau D'arco bark - which only grows in South America. The general extract available is a water extract, but since Beta-Lapachone is insoluble in water, you would be getting ZERO of the active compound. Most companies would cite the research, then go ahead and use the cheap extract, yielding nothing - but hey, it would probably sell until enough customers get burned by no results that it stops selling - then move on to the next scam.

Having to have the raw Pau D'arco bark shipped to a specialized facility that will custom extract using the correct solvent is just....more difficult. Not difficult, just more difficult, in an industry plagued by laziness.

The new DCP formula (a return to greatness, with a fantastic new PPAR-delta agonist...extremely potent, and I'm taking out the capsaicin to eliminate heartburn) uses a Dichloromethane solvent which, again, means that 90% of the supply houses refuse to do it.

It's just exhausting and disheartening, and I will not ever settle for crap. You guys deserve the best work I can do,
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Lol I've been adding spoonfuls of ghost pepper sauce at 1M scoville to get thermogenic ever since Brite got delayed, it's working and I mean I'm Indian I can handle it....but poor white people get heartburn from like 40,000 scoville capsaicin lol...not to sounds like I'm stereotyping but...it's still funny
 
Jyo said:
Lol I've been adding spoonfuls of ghost pepper sauce at 1M scoville to get thermogenic ever since Brite got delayed, it's working and I mean I'm Indian I can handle it....but poor white people get heartburn from like 40,000 scoville capsaicin lol...not to sounds like I'm stereotyping but...it's still funny
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Pure capsaicin ( what I use) is 16 million scoville units.
 
Holy **** man, with the cyclodextrin complex? Wow. I thought you were using the 40,000 most people are...but then again you do take it way beyond everyone.
 
Jyo said:
Holy **** man, with the cyclodextrin complex? Wow. I thought you were using the 40,000 most people are...but then again you do take it way beyond everyone.
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Yeah, but it seems that even in the cyclo-complex, it "eats" its way through. This "Return of the King" upcoming addition will refocus on PPAR-alpha/Delta activation primarily.
 
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