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Ergopharm TestForce VS Primordials TCF-1

Jimbo15 said:
Let me know which one of these seems unnatural and/or might cause me to die early;

Distilled water, natural grape flavor, xanthan gum, sucralose, juice extract from purple carrot and hibiscus **, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate.

** For color.
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Sodium Benzoate, won't kill you tomorrow, but that along with the plenty of other synthetic preservatives will make you susceptible to life style diseases that are currently plaguing the country. That is the whole point, of course you won't die tomorrow and as long as the FDA knows that, stuff will pass and it will be in food products. None of this in and of it's self is likely to cause to much harm. It is the cumlative effect of several products together over the course of time. If you are 25 now get an auto immune or life style disease at 48, it should not be a surprise. It usually is a surprise, but if people were aware, it shouldn't be. Other than the sodium benzoate and sucralose, which the jury is still out on, the PP product is relatively good when compared to others when it comes to ingredients.
 
Vegking said:
Sodium Benzoate, won't kill you tomorrow, but that along with the plenty of other synthetic preservatives will make you susceptible to life style diseases that are currently plaguing the country. That is the whole point, of course you won't die tomorrow and as long as the FDA knows that, stuff will pass and it will be in food products. None of this in and of it's self is likely to cause to much harm. It is the cumlative effect of several products together over the course of time. If you are 25 now get an auto immune or life style disease at 48, it should not be a surprise. It usually is a surprise, but if people were aware, it shouldn't be. Other than the sodium benzoate and sucralose, which the jury is still out on, the PP product is relatively good when compared to others when it comes to ingredients.
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That is kinda of my thought on it as well. Abuse of anything will cause damage. I would imagine that if you use this product occasionally you won't have issues. However, if you use it everyday for the rest of your life, who knows?
 
Last day, damn, I got my order in 3 days, pretty good considering the volume of sales you must be getting right now. The new bottle of tcf 1 looks huge compared to the last one, are you sure its only double the servings? In other news I've decided to run dermacrine with my pct being sustain, endoamp, and tcf 1, but I still have a 12 day bottle as well as a 24 day bottle, can I use the tcf 1 with the dermacrine, and if so should I use it at the end or the beginning of the dermacrine cycle?

And Jim, I tried to get a pic, halfway got caught but halfway got a date, journal club is tonight, basically I have to go for a free night of dinner and drinks, going to drink tonight as once the dermacrine is started no booze for me, and I will hopefully get some boobie pics for all, or I'll wind up with a restraining order and a new status as a sex offender, either way I'll update everyone.
 
HATEFULone said:
Last day, damn, I got my order in 3 days, pretty good considering the volume of sales you must be getting right now. The new bottle of tcf 1 looks huge compared to the last one, are you sure its only double the servings? In other news I've decided to run dermacrine with my pct being sustain, endoamp, and tcf 1, but I still have a 12 day bottle as well as a 24 day bottle, can I use the tcf 1 with the dermacrine, and if so should I use it at the end or the beginning of the dermacrine cycle?
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You could use it on cycle, but personally I would save it for pct. Bridge it at the end of the cycle into pct, then 12 days later run another 12 days. This would still leave you with an extra cycle, which you could use at a later date.

HATEFULone said:
And Jim, I tried to get a pic, halfway got caught but halfway got a date, journal club is tonight, basically I have to go for a free night of dinner and drinks, going to drink tonight as once the dermacrine is started no booze for me, and I will hopefully get some boobie pics for all, or I'll wind up with a restraining order and a new status as a sex offender, either way I'll update everyone.
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You could just ask to take her pic, that way the face is in it too and you won't look like a perv. If you get caught trying to sneak a pic, we'll have to see if we can get your status changed from "registered user" to "sex offender."
 
Thanks for the advice on both accounts, only issue is she is a butter face, possibly a 2 bagger, thats where I have to wear a bag too just in case hers falls off. However whatever doc did her boobs is one magic man with silicone.
 
HATEFULone said:
Last day, damn, I got my order in 3 days, pretty good considering the volume of sales you must be getting right now. The new bottle of tcf 1 looks huge compared to the last one, are you sure its only double the servings? In other news I've decided to run dermacrine with my pct being sustain, endoamp, and tcf 1, but I still have a 12 day bottle as well as a 24 day bottle, can I use the tcf 1 with the dermacrine, and if so should I use it at the end or the beginning of the dermacrine cycle?

And Jim, I tried to get a pic, halfway got caught but halfway got a date, journal club is tonight, basically I have to go for a free night of dinner and drinks, going to drink tonight as once the dermacrine is started no booze for me, and I will hopefully get some boobie pics for all, or I'll wind up with a restraining order and a new status as a sex offender, either way I'll update everyone.
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You can definitely use the TCF-1 with the Dermacrine. I would use the 12 day bottle with the Dermacrine, and then hit up the 24 day serving when you start your PCT. You can either utilize another 12 day cycle, or you can try 24 days instead. I have yet to experiment with the dosing myself, but I would stick to 12 days on/ 12 days off myself based on what's been evinced in the science.

BOOBIES!! :boobies::hump:
 
Thanks trauma, I might try 12 days on at the end of the cycle to bridge to pct, then sustain, toco 8, and endoamp for 12 days, then add in the 24 days in a row of the tcf 1, I know its not what you guys recommend but I've heard some daa product reports say longer.
 
ax1 said:
the pp product states take 12 days on and 12 off,

pa's says you can take it indefinitely.

any comments from experienced users yet?
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it was how long one of the studys where done so i guess they picked that as its use length to be safe.

for me id say go 4-6wks on 4 wks off. I mean what are you gonna grow in 12 days? not much.

now for us ein PCT thats another stoery. id seeit VERY good to throw in there for 2-3 weeks alogn with some sustain alpha and t-911 for labido is thats an issue after cycle. :-)
 
HATEFULone said:
Thanks for the advice on both accounts, only issue is she is a butter face, possibly a 2 bagger, thats where I have to wear a bag too just in case hers falls off. However whatever doc did her boobs is one magic man with silicone.
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Bro like my daddy said it all looks the same I'm the dark as long as u leave in the dark
 
islandmagic said:
Bro like my daddy said it all looks the same I'm the dark as long as u leave in the dark
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Haha, time for a "cool story bro."

We had this underage bar near our campus at Loyola called Hamilton's. They would let anyone in who had a fake. We came up with something called the Hamilton's effect. The women all seemed decently attractive. This was until they closed down the bar in which they would turn on all the lights. Then suddenly you take a second look at the girls you were making comments about 5 minutes ago, and you just know you need to go home.
 
HereToStudy said:
Haha, time for a "cool story bro."

We had this underage bar near our campus at Loyola called Hamilton's. They would let anyone in who had a fake. We came up with something called the Hamilton's effect. The women all seemed decently attractive. This was until they closed down the bar in which they would turn on all the lights. Then suddenly you take a second look at the girls you were making comments about 5 minutes ago, and you just know you need to go home.
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lol--- TO funny!!! I bet you took some of those woman home and woke up the next day saying please please no I did not do this.. I know you did!!!!!!
 
HereToStudy said:
Haha, time for a "cool story bro."

We had this underage bar near our campus at Loyola called Hamilton's. They would let anyone in who had a fake. We came up with something called the Hamilton's effect. The women all seemed decently attractive. This was until they closed down the bar in which they would turn on all the lights. Then suddenly you take a second look at the girls you were making comments about 5 minutes ago, and you just know you need to go home.
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I know that effect well, my buddy used to live right about Hamiltons and we would set our alarms to wake up 15 minutes before last call and go scoop up some unsuspecting ladies. I used to work at McFaddens, rush and division is easy pickings, and my buddy got taken home by a girl in Wrigleyville, long story short he fisted her butt, yes fisted her butt no lie. I smelled his hand the next day, it was awesomely disgusting. If I only had sustain alpha and tcf 1 back then I'd have 40 children and 79.8 std's.
 
HATEFULone said:
I know that effect well, my buddy used to live right about Hamiltons and we would set our alarms to wake up 15 minutes before last call and go scoop up some unsuspecting ladies. I used to work at McFaddens, rush and division is easy pickings, and my buddy got taken home by a girl in Wrigleyville, long story short he fisted her butt, yes fisted her butt no lie. I smelled his hand the next day, it was awesomely disgusting. If I only had sustain alpha and tcf 1 back then I'd have 40 children and 79.8 std's.
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Dude you are just sick real sicko smelling your boy hand.. That is worst then when I took a Joint and put in my gal pumpkin and had my boys smoke it and ask them how you like tasting my woman.. You are a sick man!
 
islandmagic said:
lol--- TO funny!!! I bet you took some of those woman home and woke up the next day saying please please no I did not do this.. I know you did!!!!!!
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Haha well since you asked. I did have only one real mistake during those times (I was single then). I went home with a girl that I knew previously, but had absolutely zero interest in. I was blackout wasted. I woke up in the middle of the night with us both butt ass naked in her bed. My wake up went literally like this:

*sees ceiling*
Thoughts:
Where the **** am I?
*Look down to see me in all my glory*
Thoughts:
Why am I naked?
*Looks over to see her under the sheets, but clearly naked*
Thoughts:
Why the **** is she naked?
...
OH GOD!
I turned to her (this is at like 5:30-6am) wake her after dressing and say "hey fun night I need to get home, I have a test tomorrow" (It was a sunday morning (saturday night out) - but apparently we were both drunk enough not to notice this flaw)
..and I headed back to my dorm.

To this day I maintain that we did not have sex. But in all reality I am sure we did and my friends still occasionally give me crap for it.
 
HATEFULone said:
I know that effect well, my buddy used to live right about Hamiltons and we would set our alarms to wake up 15 minutes before last call and go scoop up some unsuspecting ladies. I used to work at McFaddens, rush and division is easy pickings, and my buddy got taken home by a girl in Wrigleyville, long story short he fisted her butt, yes fisted her butt no lie. I smelled his hand the next day, it was awesomely disgusting. If I only had sustain alpha and tcf 1 back then I'd have 40 children and 79.8 std's.
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Yea I actually have done McFaddens quite a bit as well. Funny your buddy lived near hammies. BTW, you made me laugh to a tear when you said you smelled his hand.
 
HereToStudy said:
Haha well since you asked. I did have only one real mistake during those times (I was single then). I went home with a girl that I knew previously, but had absolutely zero interest in. I was blackout wasted. I woke up in the middle of the night with us both butt ass naked in her bed. My wake up went literally like this:

*sees ceiling*
Thoughts:
Where the **** am I?
*Look down to see me in all my glory*
Thoughts:
Why am I naked?
*Looks over to see her under the sheets, but clearly naked*
Thoughts:
Why the **** is she naked?
...
OH GOD!
I turned to her (this is at like 5:30-6am) wake her after dressing and say "hey fun night I need to get home, I have a test tomorrow" (It was a sunday - but apparently we were both drunk enough not to notice this flaw)
..and I headed back to my dorm.

To this day I maintain that we did not have sex. But in all reality I am sure we did and my friends still occasionally give me crap for it.
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FIng Love it!!!!! You had sex and not just once!!!!!! I wounder what she was thinking...!!!!!!!
 
HereToStudy said:
Haha well since you asked. I did have only one real mistake during those times (I was single then). I went home with a girl that I knew previously, but had absolutely zero interest in. I was blackout wasted. I woke up in the middle of the night with us both butt ass naked in her bed. My wake up went literally like this:

*sees ceiling*
Thoughts:
Where the **** am I?
*Look down to see me in all my glory*
Thoughts:
Why am I naked?
*Looks over to see her under the sheets, but clearly naked*
Thoughts:
Why the **** is she naked?
...
OH GOD!
I turned to her (this is at like 5:30-6am) wake her after dressing and say "hey fun night I need to get home, I have a test tomorrow" (It was a sunday morning (saturday night out) - but apparently we were both drunk enough not to notice this flaw)
..and I headed back to my dorm.

To this day I maintain that we did not have sex. But in all reality I am sure we did and my friends still occasionally give me crap for it.
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I just realize now that you have a son from this drunken night!!! Daddy is that you please tell me!!!
 
No those loyola sluts are too ashamed to tell mommy and daddy they got knocked up, they will hide it somehow. So just an update another 2 weeks and I get to jump back on my tcf 1, can't wait to get some grape goodness, as the dermacrine lv leaves something to be desired on the taste side.
 
HATEFULone said:
No those loyola sluts are too ashamed to tell mommy and daddy they got knocked up, they will hide it somehow. So just an update another 2 weeks and I get to jump back on my tcf 1, can't wait to get some grape goodness, as the dermacrine lv leaves something to be desired on the taste side.
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I just started my TCF1 on sat.. It is so good I wanted to drink the whole bottle
 
HATEFULone said:
No those loyola sluts are too ashamed to tell mommy and daddy they got knocked up, they will hide it somehow. So just an update another 2 weeks and I get to jump back on my tcf 1, can't wait to get some grape goodness, as the dermacrine lv leaves something to be desired on the taste side.
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I thought about buying PP's Sweet Serum and using it with the LV products, maybe that would add to the taste hehe.
 
andrewT said:
man; zero feedback on testforce...
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Early forum feedback on Testforce:


"Libido is off the charts with me , I really like this product. In fact it's so good it could be banned soon....lol"


"I am using DAA as part of my PCT regimen after about 6 months on low/moderate dose test. I began with 3g twice daily of the Performance Edge product for about 2 weeks. I just switched to Test Force at 1 heaping scoop daily (for the last week). I am extremely happy as I have experienced none of the usual "down-time" due to loss of libido or ED. So far I have experienced only a minor decrease in my libido 1 month post-cycle - definitely much less than my typical post-cycle dip. One of the most notable effects has been a substantial increase in my semen volume in correlation with my DAA intake. I would say it is definitely having an observable stimulatory effect on my HPTA. Also, Patrick isn't kidding when he says the powder is virtually tasteless. Great product Patrick!"


"E-Pharms TestForce:

My personal opinion on this stuff is that it is a must have in anyone’s pct. I don’t know for sure you would be able to tell any difference just as a everyday test booster though. That’s just personal opinion of course. When it comes to pct, it’s quite distinct and noticeable.

I had basically zero libido by the time I started my DAA supplementation. This is quite common for me from the prohormones and the nolva. I am excited to say that once I started my DAA supplementation my libido came back quickly. It was almost like DAA was the ultimate cure for libido issues during pct!

Benefits of E-Pharms TestForce for PCT:

• Libido increase
• Return of fullness in testicles quickly
• No drop off in strength
• Minimal loss in weight
• Still look like I’m on cycle"


"I too am running Test Force during PCT at the moment.
Day 4 of PCT and feeling great also. It usually takes until about the end of week 2 for me to see any increase in libido or enlarging of the boys. But already on day 4 of PCT... yes day 4! Libido is sky high and there as been a noticable increase in the size of meh balls. Also, this Tren cycle had me lethargic as hell had to drink like 4 cups of coffee a day to stay awake. Right now I am feeling very energetic and rested, Outstanding so far."

"ay,ay ay! ese! Testforce is making me horny! Bring them senoritas by! Last night I had an older lady (my age) constantly touching my arm while talking to me, I wanted to bang her on the spot! lol"


"Here are my ratings and thoughts as compared to past PCT's

Energy:8/10

I'll tell you what......Tren kicked my a$$! I actually pulsed 10mg of SD on workout days so I am sure that didn;t help any. But I have NEVER felt this lethargic while "on" cycle before. I usually run 4-AD UTT or DHEA on cycle to combat this. In this case, due to the use of Tren, I decided against it. That may have had something to do with it, but anyways I was desperate for something to help, hence my addition of Test Force during the last week of my cycle. To my satisfaction, within days the lethargy was held at bay and I actually started to feel "normal" again. Not sure about the science behind it as I am sure that my natural testosterone was still severley suppressed, but there may be some mechanism working behind the scenes that causes a boost in mood and energy to go along with the DAA / LH interaction. I found it intresting none the less, and was pleased with the result. Once PCT started the energy levels slowly creeped up and during week 2 I actually felt better than normal. I have been off of Test Force for a few days now, and I really can tell the difference in energy.....Was wishing, somehow, that it would stick around for a bit longer (this is why I gave it an 8/10 rather than a 9/10 which was my 1st instinct.)

Libido:7.5/10

My libido SHOT WAY UP once PCT hit. The increase while on cycle was minimal, but once PCT hit.....so was my wife.

Again, after supplementation with Test Force, the effects faded, my libido has since tanked. I believe the emotional and mental stress of PCT has alot to do with it, an possibly the same DAA/LH effect has something to do with the apparent increse during supplementation of DAA.

Atrophy:8/10

My balls came back to life on day 4 of PCT with a vengence! Usually takes 1-2 weeks of PCT to get me to where this particular set up did in 4 days. They originally blew the F up, and are now back to pre cycle size. Nice effect there E-Pharm.

Strength increase:7/10

I would say that this does not compare anything anabolic in nature, but it does however feel like it helps to maintain the strength gains made on cycle. It didn't make me feel "strongER" per se, but I wan't really expecting that. I just wanted a supplement to help get my system back in order and it seemed to do just that.

Final words:
Would I use this product whil off cycle for strength gains.....probably not. Will I use it during future PCT.......Absolutely!"


"1 tub should suffice but hey why not buy 2 or 3 or 4 the stuff is gold everyone of my buddies that has used it including me loves it. "


I am an E-Pharm rep. I can't post links to those quotes due to my post count, but I'm sure you could google and find them.
 
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