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Erase Pro: First Impressions

BBB said:
Erase and Erase Pro have not clinical backing and no blood testing that I can find.
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Its too new to have clinical backing. Thousands of people who have purchased Erase have used it during their cycles, stand alone, etc.

One guy submitted bloods on a test cycle using only erase, and his E was still WELL within the normal range - something thats very profound for an OTC.

Formestane will eventually get the ban hammer because its non-compliant.
 
BBB said:
Formestane is still currently available and has clinical backing.
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If everyone waited for clinicals there wouldnt be any innovative products on the market.
 
BBB said:
Formestane is still currently available and has clinical backing.
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And the reason you won't see it around for long.

People think supp companies use rat studies for kicks. Truth is, if there is human studies being performed, then there is an almost 100% probability that there is a company interested into such a product and funding the human study. Meaning, releasing it could cause more legal trouble than it is worth.

Research isn't done on stuff just for the fun of it, there is always a reason behind a study.

When Erase was first released a few people got bloods on it and posted it way back in the day. When it was released I had bloods from it.. but tell me what my blood work would do for you? Not many people trust blood work coming from the company podium, so why would we even enter that debate? More often than not a company is accused of photochopping.

Eh, take it for what it is. Buy it, or don't. Entering every thread to say the words clinical backing and formestane helps no one.
 
DAdams91982 said:
And the reason you won't see it around for long.

People think supp companies use rat studies for kicks. Truth is, if there is human studies being performed, then there is an almost 100% probability that there is a company interested into such a product and funding the human study. Meaning, releasing it could cause more legal trouble than it is worth.

Research isn't done on stuff just for the fun of it, there is always a reason behind a study.

When Erase was first released a few people got bloods on it and posted it way back in the day. When it was released I had bloods from it.. but tell me what my blood work would do for you? Not many people trust blood work coming from the company podium, so why would we even enter that debate? More often than not a company is accused of photochopping.

Eh, take it for what it is. Buy it, or don't. Entering every thread to say the words clinical backing and formestane helps no one.
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Great point! And with the massive amounts of positive feedback on Erase and Erase Pro, I don't know what else people can ask for. I'd rather see review after review of users seeing great results from a product, than a company claiming they did bloodwork and came back with an increase in this or that.
 
DAdams91982 said:
And the reason you won't see it around for long.

People think supp companies use rat studies for kicks. Truth is, if there is human studies being performed, then there is an almost 100% probability that there is a company interested into such a product and funding the human study. Meaning, releasing it could cause more legal trouble than it is worth.

Research isn't done on stuff just for the fun of it, there is always a reason behind a study.

When Erase was first released a few people got bloods on it and posted it way back in the day. When it was released I had bloods from it.. but tell me what my blood work would do for you? Not many people trust blood work coming from the company podium, so why would we even enter that debate? More often than not a company is accused of photochopping.

Eh, take it for what it is. Buy it, or don't. Entering every thread to say the words clinical backing and formestane helps no one.
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Good post
 
In terms of aesthetics I would prefer to see the Bod Pod results on our product rather than the bloodwork as bloodwork vs aesthetic results do not necessarily correlate.

This in no way implies I think bloodwork is useless on an AI product, obviously this is not the case. I just think in bodybuilding terms physical changes are the bigger picture for most.

Then again I am on the inside and know bloodwork has been completed and know we don't submit it because it is from people that work in the company so maybe it is easy for me to say that. :)
 
bdcc said:
In terms of aesthetics I would prefer to see the Bod Pod results on our product rather than the bloodwork as bloodwork vs aesthetic results do not necessarily correlate.

This in no way implies I think bloodwork is useless on an AI product, obviously this is not the case. I just think in bodybuilding terms physical changes are the bigger picture for most.

Then again I am on the inside and know bloodwork has been completed and know we don't submit it because it is from people that work in the company so maybe it is easy for me to say that. :)[/QU0TE]

Some may contend that internal bloods are biased but some information is better than none.
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For what its worth, I'm on day 6 on Erase Pro and libido is already ridiculously high. I have ran Erase for 8 weeks before with Anabeta and it was the best natty stack I have ran so far. I was on a bulk and gained 10 pounds and dropped some body fat, so at least I know the aesthetic results Ben is talking about are there.
 
bdcc said:
In terms of aesthetics I would prefer to see the Bod Pod results on our product rather than the bloodwork as bloodwork vs aesthetic results do not necessarily correlate.

This in no way implies I think bloodwork is useless on an AI product, obviously this is not the case. I just think in bodybuilding terms physical changes are the bigger picture for most.

Then again I am on the inside and know bloodwork has been completed and know we don't submit it because it is from people that work in the company so maybe it is easy for me to say that. :)
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I agree with this.

The combination of hormones altered via Erase/ Erase Pro and the body composition it provides is more than enough data for me.

Bodpod and real life results > Bloodwork
 
BBB said:
Some may contend that internal bloods are biased but some information is better than none.
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Here, I will repost what I posted in one of the other threads you go into telling everyone Erase is bad because we didnt release company produced bloodwork:

nattydisaster said:
People have gotten bloods...search for them. Would you rather us give out company released bloodwork? lol

The reviews are so beyond this forum. They are on all the major forums, forums we dont sponsor, even forums we arent allowed to post on. There is reviews at the brick and mortar level, international level, languages i dont even speak, etc.

It works...if you dont think it works then thats cool too.

We didnt go find a study that referenced an aromatase inhibitor and then stick it in a pill. We researched the ingredient, we saw its extremely potent AI abilities, Ki of 0.22!

But we knew this wasnt the end of the story...look at things like chrysin that have great data with horrible real world feedback.

We started looking at the structure and saw that the androst-backbone is extremely popular for aromatase inhibitors (6-bromo, 6-oxo, ATD, aromasin, formestane) and that 3-enes and 3,5-dienes consistently showed strong AI abilities.

Still not the end of the story....we knew we had to test it.

We sourced it and started testing doses based on other similar compounds and theoretical bioavailability and Ki values. We started dosing low and worked up to 150mg.

All of our testers had previous AI experience, including Rx AI's. Everyone noticed that after 100mg it was too strong. We scaled the doses back, cycled on and off, and discovered the best dose was 50-75mg which is why the capsules are 25mg each, and Erase Pro is 75mg.

I have never believed in company released bloodwork. To me, it makes it look like the product is trying too hard. Erase sells itself...because it works. Thats what I stand by, products that work.
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& I'll say this...

Drop a bottle of erase pro in a small lake & the lake will be dried up in the morning....
 
AaronJP1 said:
& I'll say this...

Drop a bottle of erase pro in a small lake & the lake will be dried up in the morning....
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Agreed! PES is going to have to make it's own brand moisturizer for Erase Pro! Might have to start a thread about. Looking for a name of our new moisturizer!
 
Blood testing is pretty much the gold standard for product efficacy. Joint pain is not a good measurement of product efficacy. It just baffles me why you fight so hard against it and why I’m being criticized for asking for something besides antidotal feedback. Not publishing test results because it will look like your trying to hard? I would think everyone would want to see this information.
 
BBB said:
Blood testing is pretty much the gold standard for product efficacy. Joint pain is not a good measurement of product efficacy. It just baffles me why you fight so hard against it and why I’m being criticized for asking for something besides antidotal feedback. Not publishing test results because it will look like your trying to hard? I would think everyone would want to see this information.
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It baffles me that you have such a vendetta against one molecule.

No one has hidden anything and there were a few people who tested with Erase and posted their data way back when it was released. I personally care not to go trampsen around searching for a post in a thread... Kevin was already kindly enough to go find you one.

Seeing your post history makes me believe you have a personal vendetta. You said it did not work for you.. that is fine, by all mean you are completely free to not purchase a product that did not work for you. It just seems like you are trying to change peoples minds that it worked beautifully for. I guess I don't see why you are so gun ho right now if it didn't work for you.
 
I don't have a vendetta. You introduced this product (as far as I know), you make a lot of bold claims for it's efficacy. I'm just asking for support for these claims, other than a few subjective reports. You act like I want you to donate a kidney.
 
BBB said:
I don't have a vendetta. You introduced this product (as far as I know), you make a lot of bold claims for it's efficacy. I'm just asking for support for these claims, other than a few subjective reports. You act like I want you to donate a kidney.
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BBB....just curious about something if this is not a vendetta. Why do you go into so many PES threads and keep bringing it up? If it didn't work for you that is fine, then move on. However, you seem like a jilted lover and are holding a grudge.

Hell, I have wasted a lot of $ on supps in the past that did nothing for me. However, many others loved certain things that were wasted on me. It happens. I don't go around searching out the company on here, in almost all their threads, and asking for blood work.

Very odd behavior.
 
BBB said:
I don't have a vendetta. You introduced this product (as far as I know), you make a lot of bold claims for it's efficacy. I'm just asking for support for these claims, other than a few subjective reports. You act like I want you to donate a kidney.
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Yet again you ignore USER SUBMITTED BLOOD WORK that i have linked in response to your blatant personal vendetta against Erase.

Here you go for probably the third time: Invalid Link Removed

I feel like you have some ulterior motive behind this behavior.
 
AaronJP1 said:
& I'll say this...

Drop a bottle of erase pro in a small lake & the lake will be dried up in the morning....
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LOL !
So true.
 
kevinhy said:
Yet again you ignore USER SUBMITTED BLOOD WORK that i have linked in response to your blatant personal vendetta against Erase.

Here you go for probably the third time: Invalid Link Removed

I feel like you have some ulterior motive behind this behavior.
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Maybe he's mad at me????
 
AE14 said:
BBB....just curious about something if this is not a vendetta. Why do you go into so many PES threads and keep bringing it up? If it didn't work for you that is fine, then move on. However, you seem like a jilted lover and are holding a grudge.

Hell, I have wasted a lot of $ on supps in the past that did nothing for me. However, many others loved certain things that were wasted on me. It happens. I don't go around searching out the company on here, in almost all their threads, and asking for blood work.

Very odd behavior.
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I'm just looking for answers. I have asked this same question of two other companies that have the same AI in their product, so I’m not picking on PES. They have both responded favorably and state that they will be glad to provide blood workon several of their sponsored users without taking offense. They have only started using it recently so it will take a little time. PES has been using it the longest and should have the most information. I have no doubt this stuff has AI properties. But many things have AI properties. I want to know just how effective it actually is since Formestane will be banned shortly. Of all the AI’s currently on the market this one seems to have the most promise so I want to know as much about as I can. I don't think that asking for information and product backing warrants a vendetta if so than so be it.

PS: I appreciate the blood test link above. However, one test does not constitute a trend. In would love to see your in-house results.
 
You guys are funny wanting to see homey's wife humping on his leg lol but I have to try the Erase pro the DAA, Endosurge and Erase was crazy for libido. I'm of the mind that if your wife is hot you want all the time anyway. The supps just allow your body to do what you are thinking. My wife as an example why wouldn't I want this

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jacobxcaliber said:
You guys are funny wanting to see homey's wife humping on his leg lol but I have to try the Erase pro the DAA, Endosurge and Erase was crazy for libido. I'm of the mind that if your wife is hot you want all the time anyway. The supps just allow your body to do what you are thinking. My wife as an example why wouldn't I want this

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Wow. This thread is getting realllll interesting:)
 
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