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Erase/Erase Pro blood work

bdcc said:
This is very similar to a post I made a while back.

In summary, if I wasn't affiliated with PES and they provided testing I would not trust them.

This has been shown time and time again when a company posts blood work. Some forum members appreciate it but more often than not people try and tear it apart.

Some instances have included where the change was drastic and the company gets accused of fiddling the results.
Other instances are where the change was more subtle and people said the effect was worthless.
Other instances are where the report itself gets picked apart regardless of the results depending on who tested it, time of day, if the lab was reputable etc.

Honestly, I would love to see trials for all supplements in a hypothetical world but in terms of reality a company providing testing on their own product very rarely puts people's minds at ease.
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So if a company isn't doing testing, which it sounds like both you and Jiigzz are saying, then how is it determined how well the product works before being released with the claims it does? I am genuinely curious how this is possible without any testing, and if there is in fact testing done, then where is this excess cost being talked about?

This is in no way a dig at PES, but rather a genuine question surround this topic.
 
kisaj said:
So if a company isn't doing testing, which it sounds like both you and Jiigzz are saying, then how is it determined how well the product works before being released with the claims it does? I am genuinely curious how this is possible without any testing, and if there is in fact testing done, then where is this excess cost being talked about?

This is in no way a dig at PES, but rather a genuine question surround this topic.
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A lot of ingredients are found from existing literature i.e. a study on green coffee bean showed weight loss in obese populations without a change to diet or training. Companies then use green coffee bean extract because it has already been studied. This is versus the idea that SNS would fund a study on Glycophase because literature already exists.

Perhaps it would help if you discussed a particular ingredient.

P.S. I never said we didn't do testing, we simply don't publish it.
 
bdcc said:
This is very similar to a post I made a while back.

In summary, if I wasn't affiliated with PES and they provided testing I would not trust them.

This has been shown time and time again when a company posts blood work. Some forum members appreciate it but more often than not people try and tear it apart.

Some instances have included where the change was drastic and the company gets accused of fiddling the results.
Other instances are where the change was more subtle and people said the effect was worthless.
Other instances are where the report itself gets picked apart regardless of the results depending on who tested it, time of day, if the lab was reputable etc.

Honestly, I would love to see trials for all supplements in a hypothetical world but in terms of reality a company providing testing on their own product very rarely puts people's minds at ease.
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True

I think it's more about how no one has bothered to do any bloods on erase/erase pro themselves because of the fact, that they may be already confident on the placebo effect. "oh it says, it's a AI, and it's PES, so it works!"
 
bdcc said:
A lot of ingredients are found from existing literature i.e. a study on green coffee bean showed weight loss in obese populations without a change to diet or training. Companies then use green coffee bean extract because it has already been studied. This is versus the idea that SNS would fund a study on Glycophase because literature already exists.

Perhaps it would help if you discussed a particular ingredient.

P.S. I never said we didn't do testing, we simply don't publish it.
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Any reason why the results was never published?
 
horizons said:
Any reason why the results was never published?
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Sure. We have conducted blood work on ingredients during their testing phases.

We just don't think it adds credibility when we have one or two pieces of blood work from people within the company. As I said before it tends to get people to ask questions and be skeptical rather than add credibility. If they added credibility then we would tend to publish them more.

Look for any company which provided blood work on their products and you will often find people trying to pick holes in it. It has happened a few times since I have been posting on here. One of them was in the last few weeks.
 
bdcc said:
Sure. We have conducted blood work on ingredients during their testing phases. We just don't think it adds credibility when we have one or two pieces of blood work from people within the company. As I said before it tends to get people to ask questions and be skeptical rather than add credibility. If they added credibility then we would tend to publish them more. Look for any company which provided blood work on their products and you will often find people trying to pick holes in it. It has happened a few times since I have been posting on here. One of them was in the last few weeks.
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What does the old Erase actually do? Is it an AI, cortisol control, both?
 
bdcc said:
Sure. We have conducted blood work on ingredients during their testing phases.

We just don't think it adds credibility when we have one or two pieces of blood work from people within the company. As I said before it tends to get people to ask questions and be skeptical rather than add credibility. If they added credibility then we would tend to publish them more.

Look for any company which provided blood work on their products and you will often find people trying to pick holes in it. It has happened a few times since I have been posting on here. One of them was in the last few weeks.
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I can see how this would be true. When I wasn't able to find posted blood work for Erase, I started looking for blood work with Triazole. I actually found a few references to blood work and someone scanned their labs and posted it. The results looked promising. However, most all the test subjects seemed to have an affiliation with Driven Sports, so the results were greeted with some skepticism by other forum members.
 
bdcc said:
A lot of ingredients are found from existing literature i.e. a study on green coffee bean showed weight loss in obese populations without a change to diet or training. Companies then use green coffee bean extract because it has already been studied. This is versus the idea that SNS would fund a study on Glycophase because literature already exists.

Perhaps it would help if you discussed a particular ingredient.

P.S. I never said we didn't do testing, we simply don't publish it.
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This is what I was getting at.
 
bdcc said:
Sure. We have conducted blood work on ingredients during their testing phases.

We just don't think it adds credibility when we have one or two pieces of blood work from people within the company. As I said before it tends to get people to ask questions and be skeptical rather than add credibility. If they added credibility then we would tend to publish them more.

Look for any company which provided blood work on their products and you will often find people trying to pick holes in it. It has happened a few times since I have been posting on here. One of them was in the last few weeks.
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I would imagine that publishing Bloodwork (showing that products are effective) on non FDA approved supplements would only expedite the process / possibility of getting the product banned, to be honest. It seems as though the gov is trying to eliminate al the effective supps. Yet the science/brains behind the operations can always find a way to circumvent via nomenclature or making more
Advancements/adjustments in the chemistry.

For example... Lets just say that dmaa isn't exactly off the market... Just being used under a different name now.
 
Suit yourself. I'm not wasting my time or money on products with marginal scientific backing and only empirical feedback.
 
Supplement companies always have a fall out. That would be a conscious effort of saying that if a supplement does not work for you it's usually blamed on the person not having their diet or training intact. Remember train hard, eat right, limit alcohol and sleep are the main fundamentals of looking good and feeling good. Supplements play a psychological games in your head. By all means no disrespect to PES . One of my favorite companies. I'm a supplement junkie like most of you. There is no magic pill fellows.... But I definitely believe that some supplements will help with your goals.... But don't expect miracles.
 
Mission1 said:
There is no magic pill fellows.... But I definitely believe that some supplements will help with your goals.... But don't expect miracles.
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This. Short of AAS, no compound will induce dramatic gains. And there is even variability of responsiveness within AAS users. I've seen super-responders and non-responders in my lifetime.

Supplements are helpful parts of the overall puzzle. But no one should expect miracles.

Monte
 
Been on erase pro for nearly 2 weeks.

Effects:

- zilch

Apart from destroy my libido completely. I've trashed the rest. On triazole and already feel much better
 
Monte Brogan said:
This. Short of AAS, no compound will induce dramatic gains. And there is even variability of responsiveness within AAS users. I've seen super-responders and non-responders in my lifetime.

Supplements are helpful parts of the overall puzzle. But no one should expect miracles.

Monte
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We never expect miracles

We expect to do something though
 
horizons said:
Been on erase pro for nearly 2 weeks.

Effects:

- zilch

Apart from destroy my libido completely. I've trashed the rest. On triazole and already feel much better
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This the oG version? Or new released erase?
 
BPjohn123 said:
This the oG version? Or new released erase?
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OG

I've tried the plain ol erase a while back in a stack and I can't say I got anything out of that tbh, even at 75mg or even 100mg (not recommended I know)

I have too high expectations from trying formestane previously.
 
horizons said:
OG

I've tried the plain ol erase a while back in a stack and I can't say I got anything out of that tbh, even at 75mg or even 100mg (not recommended I know)

I have too high expectations from trying formestane previously.
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Anything with Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione in it kills my libido. Forma IMO is a stronger AI and it doesn't seem to bother my libido.

I look forward to the new version
 
BLR Formeron needs more love because anybody that has tried it knows it is the best thing going for OTC AI. They fly under the radar though because they are small.
 
kisaj said:
BLR Formeron needs more love because anybody that has tried it knows it is the best thing going for OTC AI. They fly under the radar though because they are small.
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Shh, if people start to figure this out then the FDA/DEA will shut them down!
 
Formeron is legit, simply awesome shredded dry vascularity... and less joint pain than systemic cortisol crushers...
 
When you start making anabolic claims you get the Feds attention fast. Primordial found this out the hard way.
 
Isn't Formestane considered a mild ph though?. So there is the possibility of shutdown?. Erase wouldn't have this problem. I tried Dermabolics E-form back in the day and remember it worked awesome.
 
T-Bone said:
Isn't Formestane considered a mild ph though?. So there is the possibility of shutdown?. Erase wouldn't have this problem. I tried Dermabolics E-form back in the day and remember it worked awesome.
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In higher doses I believe it would be. You shouldn't see shutdown I wouldn't think with Formeron/Formasurge unless exceeding recommended doses by a large amount.
 
T-Bone said:
Isn't Formestane considered a mild ph though?. So there is the possibility of shutdown?. Erase wouldn't have this problem. I tried Dermabolics E-form back in the day and remember it worked awesome.
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I believe Brundel said at 200 or 300 mgs it would be PH-like
 
Late to the party as usual.
Sub'd
 
mw1 said:
Brundel also thinks you can treat gyno with Epi. :facepalm:
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Is that what he said? Or that epi (oxyguno) was originally marketed as a gyno control supp? Either way I don't care tbh.
 
Play nice now...
 
mw1 said:
Brundel also thinks you can treat gyno with Epi. :facepalm:
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So we have come to the point that there is a rep/owner that puts out a product everybody loves, actually works, and now we are looking for ways to call him out? The jealous little nitpicking around here is so stupid sometimes. SNS puts out some good stuff and I would imagine would be above that.

In other news, I did have a sample pack of PES Alphamine that I took yesterday and this stuff is so legit it is crazy. I took it around noon and had the cleanest energy throughout the day and didn't start wearing down until about midnight. Sleep suffered bad, but the stuff is no joke.
 
kisaj said:
So we have come to the point that there is a rep/owner that puts out a product everybody loves, actually works, and now we are looking for ways to call him out? The jealous little nitpicking around here is so stupid sometimes. SNS puts out some good stuff and I would imagine would be above that.

In other news, I did have a sample pack of PES Alphamine that I took yesterday and this stuff is so legit it is crazy. I took it around noon and had the cleanest energy throughout the day and didn't start wearing down until about midnight. Sleep suffered bad, but the stuff is no joke.
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I think Formeron is great stuff and will be part of stacks going forward. I think he catches a little heat because some of his claims are a bit extreme. Even if his claims are true they are so extreme he would have a hard time proving them.

Im stocking up on Formeron in fear big brother sees those claims and shuts them down. It's happen before
 
kisaj said:
So we have come to the point that there is a rep/owner that puts out a product everybody loves, actually works, and now we are looking for ways to call him out? The jealous little nitpicking around here is so stupid sometimes. SNS puts out some good stuff and I would imagine would be above that.

In other news, I did have a sample pack of PES Alphamine that I took yesterday and this stuff is so legit it is crazy. I took it around noon and had the cleanest energy throughout the day and didn't start wearing down until about midnight. Sleep suffered bad, but the stuff is no joke.
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The product is good no doubt about it but his claims are bs
 
kisaj said:
So we have come to the point that there is a rep/owner that puts out a product everybody loves, actually works, and now we are looking for ways to call him out? The jealous little nitpicking around here is so stupid sometimes. SNS puts out some good stuff and I would imagine would be above that.

In other news, I did have a sample pack of PES Alphamine that I took yesterday and this stuff is so legit it is crazy. I took it around noon and had the cleanest energy throughout the day and didn't start wearing down until about midnight. Sleep suffered bad, but the stuff is no joke.
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Formestane isn't dshea compliant and companies who sell it will eventually have to deal with the FDA on that.

I like formestane but unfounded claims are just that and any owner who shamelessly puts out inaccurate claims needs to be held accountable for them.
 
Daycrawler said:
Formestane isn't dshea compliant and companies who sell it will eventually have to deal with the FDA on that.

I like formestane but unfounded claims are just that and any owner who shamelessly puts out inaccurate claims needs to be held accountable for them.
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I agree.

But this thread wasn't about that. It was about wether erase had blood work and wether there is any proof from a human stand point that it does what's it's supposed to do

Formestane is a proven compound wether it's by a supplement company or not
 
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