how harsh is epistane on the hairline?? Any input appreciated, thx! Is it worse than superdrol or pheraplex?
Derty! Where you been man? Sorry about the shedding. How was your skin, oily? Or was it a 'dry skin' shed? I wonder if a topical like Niz might help.Epi definately made my hair and the hair of my friend fall out pretty fast. By the end of the 1st week i was waking up with about 12 hairs on my pillow. I have never lost hair to superdrol nor anything else except maybe a high dose of npp so i am usually not prone to shedding. Either way, if i hadnt shedded on this compound, i definately would have to say it was one of the best compounds ive used in a while. Great feeling while on it, very mild, no sides, ( except my hairloss). So give it a shot guys, and if you dont see any shedding, do it up and get huge
No 5-AR involvement (adverse metabolism), so I agree topical Niz would be my first method of prevention.Dr.D - does Epi do any conversion through 5AR? If its the epistane molecule itself that's causing the shedding, 2% topical Spiro 1-2x per day, along with Ketoconozole shampoo (Nizoral) to alleviate inflammation would be your first line of defence.
If some type of 5AR conversion is involved, Finasteride would help as well - as long as the compound doesnt need 5AR enzyme to convert into something less androgenic.
BV
Did that hair grow back after you were done with the cycle? Or was it gone for good?Epi definately made my hair and the hair of my friend fall out pretty fast. By the end of the 1st week i was waking up with about 12 hairs on my pillow. I have never lost hair to superdrol nor anything else except maybe a high dose of npp so i am usually not prone to shedding. Either way, if i hadnt shedded on this compound, i definately would have to say it was one of the best compounds ive used in a while. Great feeling while on it, very mild, no sides, ( except my hairloss). So give it a shot guys, and if you dont see any shedding, do it up and get huge
Derty! Where you been man? Sorry about the shedding. How was your skin, oily? Or was it a 'dry skin' shed? I wonder if a topical like Niz might help.
Did the hair grow back or was it gone for good?Epi definately made my hair and the hair of my friend fall out pretty fast. By the end of the 1st week i was waking up with about 12 hairs on my pillow. I have never lost hair to superdrol nor anything else except maybe a high dose of npp so i am usually not prone to shedding. Either way, if i hadnt shedded on this compound, i definately would have to say it was one of the best compounds ive used in a while. Great feeling while on it, very mild, no sides, ( except my hairloss). So give it a shot guys, and if you dont see any shedding, do it up and get huge
bump to that, does any of this hair grow back or is it gone for good?Did that hair grow back after you were done with the cycle? Or was it gone for good?
It grows back IF it hasn't been gone for too long (like years usually) or so I here.bump to that, does any of this hair grow back or is it gone for good?
Genetic expression of MPB differs from person to person. There are many factors involved, and it's believed that DHT activity on the scalp's hair follicle receptors may be the primary culprit in hair loss. It definitely appears to be the case, as DHT inhibiting topicals and systemic treatments seem to have a positive effect for most.bump to that, does any of this hair grow back or is it gone for good?
I know I've seen Nizoral Shampoo at like Target and the grocery store and stuff...where would I find spiro?For a compound like Epistane, with no 5AR activity, this should be a topical general androgen blocker like 2% Spironolactone 2x/day along with Nizoral shampoo 1x ED. Hitting your scalp with the laser brush for 5-10minutes a day wouldnt hurt either, as it helps create optimal conditions for hair growth.
You can find Spiro online - WholeSale Hair Products, inc or Balding.I know I've seen Nizoral Shampoo at like Target and the grocery store and stuff...where would I find spiro?
Yeah I was under the impression that it would only block DHT converting compounds. Then again I haven't looked too much into hair loss prevention either.so using topical spiro during a cycle could interfere with teh androgenic affects of a compound like epistane???
If you are for some reason effected systemically by topical Spironolactone, then yes it could.so using topical spiro during a cycle could interfere with teh androgenic affects of a compound like epistane???
Spironolactone is a general androgen blocker - it binds to the androgen receptor itself and thus blocks anything that could attach to it. DHT, test, etc.Yeah I was under the impression that it would only block DHT converting compounds. Then again I haven't looked too much into hair loss prevention either.
If you really want to stimulate hair *growth*, you need to combine Finasteride with a product like the Laser Comb or Minoxidil. Propecia blocks DHT, which should help stop the hair from shedding but wont do much to force it into a growth phase. Of course this depends on age and genetics, etc.So the general consensus here is that Epistane doesnt cause hairloss by 5-AR, and that Propecia wouldnt prevent it.
Also, Ive been on Propecia for almost a year to help with MPB, with decent success. No regrowth but it seemed to have stopped the loss.
Any local drug store such as CVS or even Walmart carry it.where can you get nizoral?
i've always had fine hair and i've noticed a little thinning since i ran a couple s.d cycles. though its only minor thinning, i've been interested in trying this nioxin shampoo. would it inhibit any of my gains as i'm on cycle right now??Do Nioxin products fit in this mix at all?
Nioxin shampoo and coniditioner have greatly slowed my shedding. But I don't use the spray as it slightly lowers my libido after about 2-4 weeks. I buy Nioxin at salons.
I'd find it hard to believe that this stuff is strong enough to have any negative affects on a cycle. But, I'd wait for a more informed opinion than mine as I don't know about the chemistry of these products.i've always had fine hair and i've noticed a little thinning since i ran a couple s.d cycles. though its only minor thinning, i've been interested in trying this nioxin shampoo. would it inhibit any of my gains as i'm on cycle right now??
All Nioxin is is a hair thickener/conditioner. It does nothing to inhibit the genetic expression of MPB and there for would have no adverse effect on cycle. It wont help you keep your hair, either.i've always had fine hair and i've noticed a little thinning since i ran a couple s.d cycles. though its only minor thinning, i've been interested in trying this nioxin shampoo. would it inhibit any of my gains as i'm on cycle right now??
No, Epistane shouldnt convert via 5AR.Discussing this, Do you guys think that 1000mg timed release of Saw Palmetto a day that blocks DHT will negatively impact my EPI cycle in anyway?
Thanks in advance!
where did you get Fluridil. (that is OTC) i'm assumingI just ordered 2 bottles of Epistane as well as 2 months worth of Fluridil.
Hopefully that'll keep any shedding that can occur from happening.
Ill be running a low dose of Fin as well. .25mg to .5, not sure yet.
If anyone would be interested in seeing how that handles the situation let me know.
Ill be starting soon.
Ordered it off their website.where did you get Fluridil. (that is OTC) i'm assuming
Keep us posted - remember to follow the directions on the fluridil. H2O supposedly degrades the molecule rapidly so your hair and scalp must be dry before application.I just ordered 2 bottles of Epistane as well as 2 months worth of Fluridil.
Hopefully that'll keep any shedding that can occur from happening.
Ill be running a low dose of Fin as well. .25mg to .5, not sure yet.
If anyone would be interested in seeing how that handles the situation let me know.
Ill be starting soon.
Ketoconozole can reduce the sebum in your scalp, resulting in dryness and irritation. It's still recommended to use Nizoral EOD to fight MPB though. To combat any scalp irritation, be sure to follow the Nizoral with good conditioner and be sure to get in your EFA's.I took a look at the Nizoral directions in the store yesterday. They say to use it once only every 3 to 4 days. Why is that? And, would you have to up the frequency if you were on cycle?
Nizoral AD is the OTC version of Nizoral. It has 1% Ketoconozole vs 2% of the 'standard' Nizoral. Get the 2% if you want to stave off hair loss. Ive read that either is effective, but generally when people are talking about 'Nizoral' on hairloss forums they mean the 2%.
BV
Thats how I've always used it. I've used Niz 2% EOD for over two years to try and stave of mpb that runs in my family. I lost little if any hair and have zero sides.okay cool thanks...
so best way to use this is EOD, leaving it on for 3-5 minutes, then rinse and condition?
:cheers:PS - Big V thanks for all the informative posts. It is great when experienced members take the time to share that way.
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