Contaygious
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Word. I guess ive never seen nolva used on test cycles. Usually an ai instead Nd nolva after. Trest is that strong hu?
Epic + Ostarine Review & Important Info
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MrKleen73
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Excellent on the Furaza!
I see no reason to taper the TR3ST is going to kick in immediately. First day it will be doing it's thing for sure. You may not see it but more than likely you will feel it first day. There is no need for conversion and it is strong so things will begin immediately.
Really? Nolva has been used on testosterone cycle forever. Many jump straight to an AI but in reality if you want to maximize your gains then Nolva is where it is at. It binds preferentially to breast tissue and keeps the estrogen from binding, it has a much higher affinity to the receptor than estro does so it takes the pace of it much faster. Nolva was designed to starve cancerous breast tissue of estrogen to shrink it or keep it from growing that is specifically what it is for. When you lower estrogen too much you run into joint issues, slower fat loss, loss of libido and motivation on top of the fact you limit the amount of muscle to be gained on cycle. The idea is to control estrogen or at least estrogen related sides without any of the negatives of low estrogen.
Now OTC AI's are pretty good at not crushing estro and can be manged really well. My favorite is formastane which is what out TransFORM is.
Contaygious
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Yeah thx!
crowbar46
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I have to say that this trend of people jumping on AIs is really disturbing to me. Not only will you often get issues with lethargy, depressed mood, tendon, joint and bone issues, impared endothelial function, but you will take a HARD hit to your lipid values--AIs will lower HDL. This is more of a problem with the strong pharmaceutical AIs, but even formestane, over time, can be quite potent.
I've been training for 30 years, and back in the day when I used AAS (before the legal penalties became outrageous) hardly anyone used AIs; Nolva was the go to drug for controlling estrogen on cycle. This is something I think the younger guys should think long and hard about. I'm in this for the long haul, but if you repeatedly smash your estrogen levels you WILL have a greatly increased risk for cardiovascular disease and other health problems.
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crowbar46
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Yeah, I figured that the Trest was going to be active very quickly. My only concern was in not losing the nice bump in strength I've recently gotten from the Ostarine, while the Trest kicked in.
So, my slightly revised plan is as follows:
1) Nolva arrives today: start today with a 20mg. dose; 10mg./day thereafter
2) Tomorrow Furaza arrives (already have Trest): start transdermals; Trest @ 62.5mg (1.25ml)/day; Furaza @200mg./day--both for 6 weeks.
3) I lowered Ostarine dose to 15mg. yesterday and today; will lower to 10mg. tomorrow and run it just a couple days into the transdermals.
Both transdermals will be applied 2 X day. I train in the mornings, so I will apply the first dose AFTER training after showering. The second dose will be applied approx. 8 hours later.
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So, my slightly revised plan is as follows:
1) Nolva arrives today: start today with a 20mg. dose; 10mg./day thereafter
2) Tomorrow Furaza arrives (already have Trest): start transdermals; Trest @ 62.5mg (1.25ml)/day; Furaza @200mg./day--both for 6 weeks.
3) I lowered Ostarine dose to 15mg. yesterday and today; will lower to 10mg. tomorrow and run it just a couple days into the transdermals.
Both transdermals will be applied 2 X day. I train in the mornings, so I will apply the first dose AFTER training after showering. The second dose will be applied approx. 8 hours later.
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Contaygious
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Are you logging? Sounds interesting!
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**********************************************************UPDATE**************************************************
OK, since I'm ending the Ostarine I thought I'd give my mini review of the Ostarine Epic combo so far:
1) I think this is an excellent non-hormonal ("almost natural", whatever in the hell "natural" means) stack. The effects of the Epic, I think, are already pretty well documented at this point. I will say that I personally did not experience the great increase in endurance that many others have seen almost immediately. Now, this could be for a number of reasons; not the least of which is that I'm a low rep, strength-oriented trainer. I would think this effect would be more pronounce with more moderate weight and higher reps. HOWEVER, I DID eventually gain this increased endurance, but it took more along the lines of 4-5 weeks for me. I have to say i'm a little skeptical of the reports of immediate endurance increases; however, my research on Epi did reveal a LOT of individual variation in absorbption and bio-availability of polyphenols. I think it's CRITICAL that the Epi be consumed with lemon or orange juice and a tsp of olive oil (and preferably also with green tea extract). Once I began this practice it was within a week that I started noticing the increased endurance and greater vascularity. I did notice immediately (within the first week of use) the increased muscle fullness--the "perma pump"!
I can't say that the Epic directly contributed to strength increases, but by increasing recovery between training sessions it certainly indirectly contributed. I also believe the Epic has contributed to increases in LBM. The increased thermogensis and calorie burning from the Epi is pretty apparent I believe. The reduction in my blood pressure (the diastolic reading in particular) was a very nice benefit also. I would caution anyone using, or planning on using, Epic not to judge it soley on "feelable" effects. One of the things I was struck by when researching Epi is the amount of research that's been done. It's apparent to me that Epi is the real deal, with a plethora of ergogenic and health benefits; HOWEVER, not all of these effects are going to seen rapidly. Angiogensis, for example, is going to be a rather long-term process I would think.
As far as the Ostarine, as I stated previously, it's not entirely selective. That is, I noticed very slight side effects such as the lethargy commonly reported--very mild and quite manageable, but there. This, it seems to me, is likely due to less endogenous Test being converted to DHT, as Ostarine seems to slightly raise estrogen levels in most users (or at the least does not lower it). So, it seems, Ostarine IS slightly suppressive. I also noticed more oily skin that's about it in terms of side effects. Now, I'm certain the Ostarine has directly contributed to increased LBM. and within the last week--so from about 2.5 weeks in--I also starting noticing a nice bump in strength. In fact, yesterday's (Tue., August 26th) workout was EXCELLENT--weights felt light and effortless; I had great endurance and explosiveness.
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OK, since I'm ending the Ostarine I thought I'd give my mini review of the Ostarine Epic combo so far:
1) I think this is an excellent non-hormonal ("almost natural", whatever in the hell "natural" means) stack. The effects of the Epic, I think, are already pretty well documented at this point. I will say that I personally did not experience the great increase in endurance that many others have seen almost immediately. Now, this could be for a number of reasons; not the least of which is that I'm a low rep, strength-oriented trainer. I would think this effect would be more pronounce with more moderate weight and higher reps. HOWEVER, I DID eventually gain this increased endurance, but it took more along the lines of 4-5 weeks for me. I have to say i'm a little skeptical of the reports of immediate endurance increases; however, my research on Epi did reveal a LOT of individual variation in absorbption and bio-availability of polyphenols. I think it's CRITICAL that the Epi be consumed with lemon or orange juice and a tsp of olive oil (and preferably also with green tea extract). Once I began this practice it was within a week that I started noticing the increased endurance and greater vascularity. I did notice immediately (within the first week of use) the increased muscle fullness--the "perma pump"!
I can't say that the Epic directly contributed to strength increases, but by increasing recovery between training sessions it certainly indirectly contributed. I also believe the Epic has contributed to increases in LBM. The increased thermogensis and calorie burning from the Epi is pretty apparent I believe. The reduction in my blood pressure (the diastolic reading in particular) was a very nice benefit also. I would caution anyone using, or planning on using, Epic not to judge it soley on "feelable" effects. One of the things I was struck by when researching Epi is the amount of research that's been done. It's apparent to me that Epi is the real deal, with a plethora of ergogenic and health benefits; HOWEVER, not all of these effects are going to seen rapidly. Angiogensis, for example, is going to be a rather long-term process I would think.
As far as the Ostarine, as I stated previously, it's not entirely selective. That is, I noticed very slight side effects such as the lethargy commonly reported--very mild and quite manageable, but there. This, it seems to me, is likely due to less endogenous Test being converted to DHT, as Ostarine seems to slightly raise estrogen levels in most users (or at the least does not lower it). So, it seems, Ostarine IS slightly suppressive. I also noticed more oily skin that's about it in terms of side effects. Now, I'm certain the Ostarine has directly contributed to increased LBM. and within the last week--so from about 2.5 weeks in--I also starting noticing a nice bump in strength. In fact, yesterday's (Tue., August 26th) workout was EXCELLENT--weights felt light and effortless; I had great endurance and explosiveness.
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I meant the next cycle. Thx a ton for the reviews
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tylershields
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I'm taking my day 3 dose now and will be in the gym in a little over an hour. I found some forskolin95 from a promo a few months back, quantity 60 25mg caps. Any suggestions for throwing this in?
Segansational
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Subbed for all the good info in here.
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crowbar46
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Thanks much guys.
Well, I've applied my first dose of DermaFury and DermaTrest just moments ago. Because of the late hour I applied the total dose of both. One thing I noticed is that the Trest is very liquid, easy to pull out with an oral syringe for more accurate dosing. However, the DermaFury is much more viscous and has to be used with the pump. Also the Fury is slightly grainy, but once rubbed into the skin absorbs and dries just as fast and completely as the Trest, leaving no grainy residue. In fact, they both absorb VERY quickly and completely. So, is this normal for the Fury?
Well, the fun begins!
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crowbar46
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Just wanted to reiterate how much I like these transdermal carriers. They have a slight pleasant lemon odor but once applied dry leaving no odor. They absorb and dry very quickly leaving no residue, only a very slight skin moisturizing effect.
A couple of observations:
1) The bottles look really nice, with slick labeling.
2) As nice as the bottles look I'd rather have shorter squatter bottles that make it easier to get at the contents inside.
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A couple of observations:
1) The bottles look really nice, with slick labeling.
2) As nice as the bottles look I'd rather have shorter squatter bottles that make it easier to get at the contents inside.
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BigRed1974
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Very good info in here!
crowbar46
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I don't know specifically what your goals are, but I can't see how adding the Forskolin would hurt whether it's bulking or cutting. Forskolin works through different mechanisms than either Ostarine or Epic.
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crowbar46
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Should I heat a pan of water and place the DermaFury bottle in it to try and redissolve the active, or is this not necessary?
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MrKleen73
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In all honesty I am not sure if the powder like substance is typical of the DemraFURY because it is so new. However I think you are definitely onto the right idea of sitting it in a bowl or pot of very hot water. Not boiling mind you but enough to get the solvent warm then shake it for a good 30 seconds or so. This is what I do to any transdermal that is either clumping or has larger granules in it.
That being said if it is dissolving completely once you rub it in I don't think it is needed. However to keep the pump from getting clogged it may still be a good idea.
That being said if it is dissolving completely once you rub it in I don't think it is needed. However to keep the pump from getting clogged it may still be a good idea.
808shredded
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That is what I did with my trest in salvo
crowbar46
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Not much to add at this point. This is my 3rd day on the Trest + Fury (Sat. August 30th) and I have to say I do feel a little "amped" is the best way to describe it. Intense heat rushes/flushes continue and, in fact, seem to be increasing, as is vascularity, muscle fullness and hardness. It's simply too early to say anything about strength increases, etc., but I did have another very good training session today!
I have to say it does seem the Trest kicks in quick. I'll reserve judgement as to how well I think Trest subs for Test until I've had more time with it; but it feels like that old "alpha" feeling is coming on! I haven't messed with a hormonal anabolic in quite some time because I refuse to go to jail over AAS, and until now I wasn't happy with what was available legally as a Test base. I have a feeling Trest may change my mind--time will tell.
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I have to say it does seem the Trest kicks in quick. I'll reserve judgement as to how well I think Trest subs for Test until I've had more time with it; but it feels like that old "alpha" feeling is coming on! I haven't messed with a hormonal anabolic in quite some time because I refuse to go to jail over AAS, and until now I wasn't happy with what was available legally as a Test base. I have a feeling Trest may change my mind--time will tell.
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Yesterday (Sun. ,August 31st) was my second training day of the week--legs. By this point I'd applied the DermaTrest and Fury for three days (Thur, Fri., Sat.), as I apply the two doses of both AFTER training. Strength is good and seems to be on the move up. Shortly after getting home from training on Sun. I felt totaly wiped out and my body ached--wasn't sore, but ached--everywhere! My joints felt achy and stiff. Now this could, at least partly, be from the sudden drop in calories; whatever caused it, it was very noticible! It could also be that:
1) the shutdown from the Trest kicks in before the other possitive effects, creating a short "lag" time where you may experience some side effects. Surley this isn't from the DermaFury . I ask as Winstrol causes my joints to feel like crap, and DermaFury is supposed to be similar to Winstrol in effect.
2) My application schedule: I had been applying both transdermals 2 X day--I would shower and wait to apply the first dose at 2:00pm; second dose at 10:00pm. I'm at the gym at 10:00am on training days, so this leaves very little or NO hormones still absorbing or active in my system at the time of training. It seems to me that THIS could explain the high degree of achy soreness--training with no endogenous OR exogenous hormones in the body.
3) Given #2 above, I've changed to the following application schedule: 1st application, 12:00 noon; second, 12:00 midnight. Hopefully with this schedule I'll still have the Trest and Fury absorbing and/or active in my system at the time of training.
After switching to this application schedule yesterday I woke up feeling MUCH less achy today (Monday, Sept. 1st).
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1) the shutdown from the Trest kicks in before the other possitive effects, creating a short "lag" time where you may experience some side effects. Surley this isn't from the DermaFury . I ask as Winstrol causes my joints to feel like crap, and DermaFury is supposed to be similar to Winstrol in effect.
2) My application schedule: I had been applying both transdermals 2 X day--I would shower and wait to apply the first dose at 2:00pm; second dose at 10:00pm. I'm at the gym at 10:00am on training days, so this leaves very little or NO hormones still absorbing or active in my system at the time of training. It seems to me that THIS could explain the high degree of achy soreness--training with no endogenous OR exogenous hormones in the body.
3) Given #2 above, I've changed to the following application schedule: 1st application, 12:00 noon; second, 12:00 midnight. Hopefully with this schedule I'll still have the Trest and Fury absorbing and/or active in my system at the time of training.
After switching to this application schedule yesterday I woke up feeling MUCH less achy today (Monday, Sept. 1st).
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crowbar46
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OK, DermaFury: I think something went wrong with the formulation/production, as it's just excessively grainy. Either 50mg./ml is too much Fura to dissolve, or it wasn't fully dissolved to begin with. I've tried heating the bottle in a pan of hot water, but no luck--maybe I just didn't get the water hot enough, or keep the bottlein there long enough.
At any rate, this is now starting to cause problems with the pump; when I went to apply my 12:00 noon dose, one pump was CLEARLY NOT 2ml. So I had to squirt some more out, but how much more, and how much total is impossible to say with any accuracy. Unfortunately the DermaFury is too thick and grainy to use with a syringe.
In my opinion, this issue needs to be addressed and honestly I would have to think about purchasing this product again depending on how well it works obviously, but also depending on how the consistency and application of my other 2 bottles of Fury are.
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At any rate, this is now starting to cause problems with the pump; when I went to apply my 12:00 noon dose, one pump was CLEARLY NOT 2ml. So I had to squirt some more out, but how much more, and how much total is impossible to say with any accuracy. Unfortunately the DermaFury is too thick and grainy to use with a syringe.
In my opinion, this issue needs to be addressed and honestly I would have to think about purchasing this product again depending on how well it works obviously, but also depending on how the consistency and application of my other 2 bottles of Fury are.
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cjdesmit
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Great log and reviews. New to posting but have been lurking for quite a while.
A couple questions regarding Oastarine. I plan to run a 6-8 week cycle of this soon, mostly for the "healing" benefits as I had surgery in November, 2013. You said you had some suppression and felt a bit lethargic while on it. Would you recommend taking something alongside of it to help counter this? Also, I was planning on running an OTC PCT afterwards as everything I have read stated it would be more than sufficient as long as you weren't dosing over 25mg for more than 8 weeks. Thoughts?
Thanks.
A couple questions regarding Oastarine. I plan to run a 6-8 week cycle of this soon, mostly for the "healing" benefits as I had surgery in November, 2013. You said you had some suppression and felt a bit lethargic while on it. Would you recommend taking something alongside of it to help counter this? Also, I was planning on running an OTC PCT afterwards as everything I have read stated it would be more than sufficient as long as you weren't dosing over 25mg for more than 8 weeks. Thoughts?
Thanks.
crowbar46
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Personally I'd run the Ostarine for 8 Wks.; it's mild with virtually no side effects Also, I didn't notice strength increases from it until about 2.5-3 weeks in, so you'd just be starting to get a nice strength bump from it and in a few weeks have to stop if you're only running it for 6 weeks. I also think the slightly longer cycle would allow for more tendon healing to take place (if indeed it really possess this quality). I did notice a bit of a "lubricating" effect from it. Meaning, I did feel a little less stiff, a little more fluid in movement, but I ended my cycle at about 4 weeks as I added the DermaTrest and DermaFury.
As far as the lethargy, I personally didn't think it was severe enough to warrant any special action--it really was quite tolerable (at least at the point where I dropped the Ostarine).
My theory on PCT: I don't trust ANY OTC for PCT. Clomid is cheap and readily available, highly effective, and has some nice side benefits.
Hope that helps,
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Will do. I think I'm gonna really like the Trest, from initial impressions--what few I have at this point. The difference in the DermaTrest and Fury is night and day in terms of consistency. The Trest you'll be able to get all of it out the bottle; the Fury, I don't see how you won't "lose" quite a bit as it's simply too thick to efficiently be drawn up through the pump or poured out (it would stick to the inside of the bottle). I guess you could dilute the Fury with a little solvent of some kind, but then you'd have to recalculate the dosage/ml.
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cjdesmit
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Thanks for the response crowbar. I'll definitely run it for 8 weeks at 20-25mg.
So if I was to go with Clomid for pct, how would you suggest I dose it? And you're suggesting running it solo for pct, correct? Also, will it have the same "drying" tendencies of other AI's? I am currently running a stack of Erase Pro and ABE and the EP is really doing a number on my joints, and that's dosing every other day.
Thanks again.
So if I was to go with Clomid for pct, how would you suggest I dose it? And you're suggesting running it solo for pct, correct? Also, will it have the same "drying" tendencies of other AI's? I am currently running a stack of Erase Pro and ABE and the EP is really doing a number on my joints, and that's dosing every other day.
Thanks again.
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So training today was excellent--again, weight in all movements went up.
I'm definitely feeling the Trest--mood elevation, increased aggression and energy, as well as strength. Muscles feel constantly pumped, and muscle hardness/density is increasing. Starting to see some additional leaning. So far, I'm very happy with this cycle.
Now the bad news: the DermaFury is definitely going to be a pain to apply. I heated a pan of water again, but this time I got it hotter and left the bottle of DermaFury in it longer. This helped a lot last night, but, unfortunately, by today's 12:00 noon application the Fury was once again VERY thick and refused to draw up through the pump. I would pump and pump only to get nothing, followed by little inconsistent spurts. The DermaFury is simply too thick to work with the pump (it creates air pockets in the pump because the DermaFury is too thick to evenly draw through it). So, I tried to estimate 2ml, but honestly I have NO IDEA how much of a dose I applied at noon--not good.
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I'm definitely feeling the Trest--mood elevation, increased aggression and energy, as well as strength. Muscles feel constantly pumped, and muscle hardness/density is increasing. Starting to see some additional leaning. So far, I'm very happy with this cycle.
Now the bad news: the DermaFury is definitely going to be a pain to apply. I heated a pan of water again, but this time I got it hotter and left the bottle of DermaFury in it longer. This helped a lot last night, but, unfortunately, by today's 12:00 noon application the Fury was once again VERY thick and refused to draw up through the pump. I would pump and pump only to get nothing, followed by little inconsistent spurts. The DermaFury is simply too thick to work with the pump (it creates air pockets in the pump because the DermaFury is too thick to evenly draw through it). So, I tried to estimate 2ml, but honestly I have NO IDEA how much of a dose I applied at noon--not good.
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Olympus Labs
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Please check your other bottles. I tried to apply the DermaFURY with ease. It comes through the pump very well and what appears to be grainy is easily transported through the skin through the thiazone and nerolidol
cjdesmit
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Sounds good, thanks. Any chance you could shoot me a PM of where I can find some pharm grade Clomid online? I attempted to send you one but my newb status won't let me... must have 10+ posts.
crowbar46
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I'll use another bottle for my 12:00 midnight application. When I first applied the DermaFury from the current bottle it also drew through the pump eaisly, but within a couple of days began to clog. The graininess I don't mind so much, as it does seem to redissolve when rubbed into the skin, but the excessive thickness of the DermaFury compared with the DermaTrest, for example, is a real problem--there's no way it's all coming out of that bottle. So, if there's exactly 60ml in the bottle I don't see how to avoid loosing 2 or3 ml from it sticking to the inside of the bottle--unless I dilute it with some additional solvent.
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crowbar46
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Google "research chemicals" or something to that effect. Also, there's numerous ads on these type of sites for such companies.
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So I tried another bottle of DermaFury for last night's application and today's 12:00 noon application. I have to say, it did pump much better than the first bottle and the carrier itself seems less thick. Now, the first bottle I used also pumped well the first few days I used it, then began to clog and refuse to pull up through the pump. However, it's the thinner consistency of the DermaFury in this second bottle that tells me it seems to be different than the first bottle I tried. I also shook the third bottle of DermaFury I have, and it too seemed thinner than the first bottle. When I shook the first bottle before using it for the first time I was immediately concerned because it just seemed too thick and didn't have the "slosh" of either the DermaTrest or the other DermaFury bottles. So, I will continue to use this second bottle of DermaFury for the next several days and see if it continues to pump well. I guess I'll have to heat the first bottle in a pan of water each time before using it.
On a more positve note: I LOVE THE DERMATREST! I can most definitely feel the increased energy and drive, strength, aggression, and hopefully increased recovery. I have experienced zero side effects so far on 62.5mg./day along with 10mg. Nolva/day--no puffy, sore, or itchy nipples, no bloating, and blood pressure is fine. GONNA LOVE IT!
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Olympus Labs
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Sounds great man, love reading your detailed log!
crowbar46
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Thanks much. Out of curiosity, have any other people experienced any problems with the consistency of the DermaFury? I'm hoping this bottle is just a "one-off".
I'm really pleased with the DermaTrest. I have a definite tendency toward high blood pressure with hormonal anabolics; so the fact that mine isn't elevated while on both the Trest and Fury is really nice! I do credit a lot of that to the Epi, in fact. One of the most consistent findings from the research on Epi is it's ability to increase NO production, and thus cause vaso-dilation, increased blood flow, and lowering of blood pressure. this is obviously going to be more noticible in individuals with high--or a tendency toward high--blood pressure. The only "side effect" I've noticed so far is shiny oily skin.
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Vascularity: that's the word of the day. My biceps, shoulders, chest, and especially forearms are starting to look like road maps! I know I'm on the right track when my wife (who doesn't train) says, "that's kinda gross; I don't know why you want to look like that"--LOL! She doesn't understand, but she's very supportive actually. I'm assuming this effect is primarily from the Fury. it started with the Epi, but the Fury has taken it to a completely different level. Muscle hardness is great.
Strength continues to increase, as is recovery. In fact strength has been increasing enough lately to draw a little notice from the gym regulars at the time when I train. The one very consistent side effect I always get from hormonal anabolics is pretty oily skin, and this cycle is no different. The oily skin and strength/LBM increases are a dead give away to anyone who's familiar with AAS, and I think a couple of people at the gym suspect. No big deal, but I just don't discuss these issues with anyone because of many people's attitude. This is like the old days!
This is actually pretty exciting, as I had given up a long time ago on the legal hormone market. All the orals just made me feel like **** to the point where I couldn't train with the consistency and intensity I needed to. With Trest all of this changes! It seems to sub so well for Test that It will make all sorts of stacks with orals that I wouldn't have touched for anything before, now very appealing--especially the less liver toxic ones. I also LOVE the transdermals as they allow for much more sustained and stable blood levels, another huge disadvantage of orals.
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Strength continues to increase, as is recovery. In fact strength has been increasing enough lately to draw a little notice from the gym regulars at the time when I train. The one very consistent side effect I always get from hormonal anabolics is pretty oily skin, and this cycle is no different. The oily skin and strength/LBM increases are a dead give away to anyone who's familiar with AAS, and I think a couple of people at the gym suspect. No big deal, but I just don't discuss these issues with anyone because of many people's attitude. This is like the old days!
This is actually pretty exciting, as I had given up a long time ago on the legal hormone market. All the orals just made me feel like **** to the point where I couldn't train with the consistency and intensity I needed to. With Trest all of this changes! It seems to sub so well for Test that It will make all sorts of stacks with orals that I wouldn't have touched for anything before, now very appealing--especially the less liver toxic ones. I also LOVE the transdermals as they allow for much more sustained and stable blood levels, another huge disadvantage of orals.
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very excited to hear more about the DF as this log progresses, I think someone else already reported something positive as well which may be placebo but if not then we might have an effective Furaza on the market.
crowbar46
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I think you have an effective Furaza; the vascularity has really come on strong since starting the DF, as well as muscle hardness, and a "dry tight feeling" is the best way I can describe it. I'll tell you this, the DF feels a HELL of a lot better than Winstrol--no joint/tendon issues (at least not so far). I have no idea how long the DF takes to kick in but it does seem to have kicked in fast.
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Sounds good man, lets see where this takes us all, FURAZA just may come back in demand
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F'in GREAT training today! My strength and endurance were excellent; the weights really popped! This is the first legal hormone cycle I've EVER done that really feels like AAS. I'm just really impressed and pleased whit how this is going. We're on the 1st dose (of 2 X day) of the 10th day as I write this. Really looking forward to the next 5 weeks!
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edje007
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Awesome news. I took furaza-300 and loved it, hopefully this baby is even better!
crowbar46
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Yeah, you'll like the DermaFury or Trest, both are legit as far as I'm concerned--and this is from a guy who used to consider ALL legal hormones toxic garbage.
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