BeBig
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Good info bro...might have to stay away from this forever...
Epi / Halo : Maniac's Stack
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Good info bro...might have to stay away from this forever...
GeekPoop
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who iz this girl? I need name plz:hump:
you tried any cabaser /bromo stuff for your leakyness?
I assume you got it from OTC tren? that stuff is the devil so glad its banned
errr... saw you did phera? from that ?
TheDarkHalf
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In late but def subbed!
celc5
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King, Conny, and BeBig,
my opinion is that MOST people are wrecked from SD (and trens as Geek described). But it's super cool to go online and say how mild they felt and what great compounds they are. It's like e-cred to say "I tolerated a drug that most people can't"
Geek,
not nip leakage. We were discussing prostate symptoms. Fortunately, this stack has not irritated ANY previous nipple symptoms or any previous gyno symptoms (keeping fingers crossed LOL)
To further explain that topic, I do get those prostate symptoms to a mild extent when I dose ephedrine for a long time and sometimes on cycle. The prostate symptoms almost always clear up with time though, thank goodness. I'm not worried, just reporting everything.
Day 20
Just a quick update, yesterday's workout was E X P L O S I V E !!! I went up from 6 plates per side x 20 on the hack squat last week to 7 plates per side x 20!!! That's a whole plate and every rep was real powerful. The same was true for all the other leg lifts yesterday too with 10-20 pound increases even in the 20 rep range (I use high reps with legs ever since a hernia repair earlier this year).
The explosive increase could be due to the epi and halo kicking in OR due to day 2 of formestane. You all probably know that I'm a hyper-responder to form so it could be either way.
my opinion is that MOST people are wrecked from SD (and trens as Geek described). But it's super cool to go online and say how mild they felt and what great compounds they are. It's like e-cred to say "I tolerated a drug that most people can't"
Geek,
not nip leakage. We were discussing prostate symptoms. Fortunately, this stack has not irritated ANY previous nipple symptoms or any previous gyno symptoms (keeping fingers crossed LOL)
To further explain that topic, I do get those prostate symptoms to a mild extent when I dose ephedrine for a long time and sometimes on cycle. The prostate symptoms almost always clear up with time though, thank goodness. I'm not worried, just reporting everything.
Day 20
Just a quick update, yesterday's workout was E X P L O S I V E !!! I went up from 6 plates per side x 20 on the hack squat last week to 7 plates per side x 20!!! That's a whole plate and every rep was real powerful. The same was true for all the other leg lifts yesterday too with 10-20 pound increases even in the 20 rep range (I use high reps with legs ever since a hernia repair earlier this year).
The explosive increase could be due to the epi and halo kicking in OR due to day 2 of formestane. You all probably know that I'm a hyper-responder to form so it could be either way.
celc5
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Yup, that's what I'm thinking too :head: Interestingly, the epi gave enormous libido boosts in the first 2 weeks. But now, libido is starting to drop as the compounds really kick in. Form is just keeping me functional at this point to be honest.
Another bit of info that i got from Maniac (the first person to run this stack that I know of, hence the thread title) is that appetite might drop as the cycle progresses. So far, that's not the case for me as appetite is still pretty high, even in the middle of the night I'm waking up hungry after 6 full meals per day.
thebigt
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there is no telling what other junk maniac might have thrown into his stack-i think he likes to combine a bunch of stuff, so his results might be skewed. i wouldn't count on his reported effects being reliable.
kingjameskjf
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lol, I agree! Good to see you have such a great workout. I just started the DC training program and have to say that I love it so far.
BeBig
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Not sure of the name I usually just google hot chicks lol...Sorry..but yes definitely hot... :fing02:
Excellent glad your workout was explosive.. :sgrin:
celc5
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Day 23
Sunday, May 23, 2010
Epi 40
Halo 75
Lean mass is still creeping in and I'm looking bigger and fuller. All DB movements are up 5 pounds and compound movements are up 10 lbs today for chest and tris. I'm not sure that BF is dropping as much as I had expected, probably because appetite is up so much.
Libido pretty much tanked as of the past few days. The formestane and my favorite libido enhancer, ejaculoid, are not helping. I did use some Aspire36 yesterday (original version) salvaged my manhood over the weekend, but I don't like that stuff anyway. It's too artificial feeling to me.
Other than libido loss, the only side I'm experiencing is lethargy. Some days it's terrible, some days it's mild and tolerable.
I plan to wrap this up around day 28 probably.
Sunday, May 23, 2010
Epi 40
Halo 75
Lean mass is still creeping in and I'm looking bigger and fuller. All DB movements are up 5 pounds and compound movements are up 10 lbs today for chest and tris. I'm not sure that BF is dropping as much as I had expected, probably because appetite is up so much.
Libido pretty much tanked as of the past few days. The formestane and my favorite libido enhancer, ejaculoid, are not helping. I did use some Aspire36 yesterday (original version) salvaged my manhood over the weekend, but I don't like that stuff anyway. It's too artificial feeling to me.
Other than libido loss, the only side I'm experiencing is lethargy. Some days it's terrible, some days it's mild and tolerable.
I plan to wrap this up around day 28 probably.
thebigt
Legend
damn, those are some sucky sides.
celc5
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I agree, libido loss is a terrible side. At the same time, I knew what I was getting into when I decided to run this stack. So it's clearly my own fault with the choices I'm making. I forget to mention, I went to 100mg Halo and 50mg Epi last night... probably another bad decision :laugh:
This cycle is a paradox for me psychologically. I'm starting to handle the lethargy much better and gym performance is jumping to the next level. Of course body comp is following suite, I'm the biggest and fullest that I've ever been even after my surgery time off earlier this year.
The problem is that the libido loss does the exact opposite psychologically. I'm a fairly well adjusted person, but I have to admit that even I can only dodge and duck my fiance so much when she dives in to tackle me :laugh2:
ConcreteConny
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So you bumped up the dose once more :bigeyes: Gonna stay there for a while or was it just a one time call?
Glad to hear the performance is up, I can only imagine the gains while on this stuff. But it is sad to hear about the sides, I feel for you.
I know exactly what you mean regarding the libido loss, I was in the same boat and once a week I had to give in or I would have been thrown out :lol:
//CC
celc5
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T,
she's ruthless for now with making fun of me. But I told her things will be back to normal in 2 to 3 weeks. I honestly don't feel as flat out shut down as I did during that SD run.
CC,
I'm gonna stay at this dose for the rest of the week. I have to admit that other than the libido loss, this is a super smooth stack and anticipate that this week will be unreal in the gym!
As far as timeframe, unless the formestane and ejaculoid rejuvenate libido by the end of the week, I'm going to transition into pct over the weekend.
she's ruthless for now with making fun of me. But I told her things will be back to normal in 2 to 3 weeks. I honestly don't feel as flat out shut down as I did during that SD run.
CC,
I'm gonna stay at this dose for the rest of the week. I have to admit that other than the libido loss, this is a super smooth stack and anticipate that this week will be unreal in the gym!
As far as timeframe, unless the formestane and ejaculoid rejuvenate libido by the end of the week, I'm going to transition into pct over the weekend.
thebigt
Legend
celc, you may as well get used to it. no one can push buttons as well as a wife, lol.:chairfall: you will be fine, it seems like she is having fun with it-just don't let it go too long-or she will be giving thebigt a call
hone: j/k, lol.laserbluess
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dang bro sucks to hear about the low libido. luckily for me im not in a relationship right now so no one to can jump on my back for me not jumping their bones when i start next week.
glad to hear the lifts are going up as well as muscle fullness. I cant wait to start my cycle now! i think i settled on 5 weeks of halo 50/50/75/75/75 and SD 10mg MWF for the first 3 weeks to jump start things.
glad to hear the lifts are going up as well as muscle fullness. I cant wait to start my cycle now! i think i settled on 5 weeks of halo 50/50/75/75/75 and SD 10mg MWF for the first 3 weeks to jump start things.
BeBig
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Good luck with this bro..I hope those work for you...then you could possibly run the stack another week...Correct?
celc5
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BigT,
Ha Ha. Some days I think you can have her :laugh: Really though, she's a good sport and it'll probably be good for a break from the sac for a week or 2 to keep things fresh afterwards (wow, I'm really trying to justify this LOL)
LaserBlues,
if you just run the Halo solo, most report enhanced libido the whole time. And pct will be smooth. I'm not sure I understand why you want to throw in the SD though?
BeBig,
actually yes, you are right on and this could be stretched to 5 or 6 weeks. I feel like the ejaculoid and form are starting to kick in a bit as well as the increased dosage of the steroids this week. I hope to find out if bedroom function comes back within the next night or 2. Otherwise, I'll have to take in plenty of water to be sure my jaw doesn't cramp up
One last note regarding the prostate symptoms last week... I added in Myodrol, which is a saw palmetto based test booster. And the prostate symptoms are slowly, but steadily improving, especially at night. I wonder if the prostate issues were causing the bedroom problems, rather than assuming it was steroid suppression :think:
Ha Ha. Some days I think you can have her :laugh: Really though, she's a good sport and it'll probably be good for a break from the sac for a week or 2 to keep things fresh afterwards (wow, I'm really trying to justify this LOL)
LaserBlues,
if you just run the Halo solo, most report enhanced libido the whole time. And pct will be smooth. I'm not sure I understand why you want to throw in the SD though?
BeBig,
actually yes, you are right on and this could be stretched to 5 or 6 weeks. I feel like the ejaculoid and form are starting to kick in a bit as well as the increased dosage of the steroids this week. I hope to find out if bedroom function comes back within the next night or 2. Otherwise, I'll have to take in plenty of water to be sure my jaw doesn't cramp up
One last note regarding the prostate symptoms last week... I added in Myodrol, which is a saw palmetto based test booster. And the prostate symptoms are slowly, but steadily improving, especially at night. I wonder if the prostate issues were causing the bedroom problems, rather than assuming it was steroid suppression :think:
thebigt
Legend
BigT,
Ha Ha. Some days I think you can have her :laugh: Really though, she's a good sport and it'll probably be good for a break from the sac for a week or 2 to keep things fresh afterwards (wow, I'm really trying to justify this LOL)
LaserBlues,
if you just run the Halo solo, most report enhanced libido the whole time. And pct will be smooth. I'm not sure I understand why you want to throw in the SD though?
BeBig,
actually yes, you are right on and this could be stretched to 5 or 6 weeks. I feel like the ejaculoid and form are starting to kick in a bit as well as the increased dosage of the steroids this week. I hope to find out if bedroom function comes back within the next night or 2. Otherwise, I'll have to take in plenty of water to be sure my jaw doesn't cramp up
One last note regarding the prostate symptoms last week... I added in Myodrol, which is a saw palmetto based test booster. And the prostate symptoms are slowly, but steadily improving, especially at night. I wonder if the prostate issues were causing the bedroom problems, rather than assuming it was steroid suppression :think:
good question on the prostate. i am curious to see what effect the myodrol will have. i know the myodrol had a positive effect with my trt. only question is with myodrol and form both lowering dht won't this counter the effects of the epi??? very curious to see your results-often times real world results defy logic, lol.
ConcreteConny
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Glad to hear your combating the sides is taking effect Let's hope you'll be all good to run this cycle to the max :thumbsup:
I've read some mixed reviews on the ejaculoid, what is your personal opinion on this product?
//CC
Let's hope you'll be all good to run this cycle to the max :thumbsup:I've read some mixed reviews on the ejaculoid, what is your personal opinion on this product?
//CC
celc5
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T,
the positive effects of DHT could include enhanced libido and increased strength. I'm not having either of those effects. So I don't believe DHT is playing much of a role in my mass gains and therefore don't believe the Myodrol will impair any of my progress.
Conny,
ejaculoid is by far the best dedicated libido enhancer I've ever tried. One reason people may not like it is that it doesn't have an immediate effect like some libido supps do. For example, I'll dose 1 or 2 caps first thing in the morning and notice that bedroom performance is enhanced that evening and the next day. Other libido supps sometimes work in like 20 minutes for me, although not nearly as potent when used as needed OR dosed on a consistent basis.
the positive effects of DHT could include enhanced libido and increased strength. I'm not having either of those effects. So I don't believe DHT is playing much of a role in my mass gains and therefore don't believe the Myodrol will impair any of my progress.
Conny,
ejaculoid is by far the best dedicated libido enhancer I've ever tried. One reason people may not like it is that it doesn't have an immediate effect like some libido supps do. For example, I'll dose 1 or 2 caps first thing in the morning and notice that bedroom performance is enhanced that evening and the next day. Other libido supps sometimes work in like 20 minutes for me, although not nearly as potent when used as needed OR dosed on a consistent basis.
thebigt
Legend
celc-epi is a dht derivative.
celc5
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which probably explains the attack on my prostate :laugh: ...never had symptoms that noticable before, even from ephedrine. But I gotta say, the myodrol is helping the symptoms without interfering with lean mass because I'm still getting bigger.
My buddy noticed that my shoulders and arms are bigger in the gym yesterday. He warms up with my maxes so it was an ego boost for him notice :head:
thebigt
Legend
they made that tape of me after my 1st test cyp injection.
thebigt
Legend
myodrol is a strange bird, i had increased strength and libido on it, which is totally opposite effect you would expect from lowering dht. but to be totally honest i started getting signs of increased estrogen at the end even though i was dosing at the high dose-which was supposed to decrease estrogen. next time i run myodrol i will include an ai. probably formestane.
ConcreteConny
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Intresting.:think:Gotta keep that in mind if I ever try Myodrol, thanks for info T.
How's the support treating you celc? Any word on if you are going to extend this cycle a week or are you gonna call it a run? :bigeyes:
//CC
celc5
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Actually, I feel really good as long as I have some caffeine in me. 1 scoop of FocusXT in a gallon of water sipped throughout the work day is enough to keep me moving and in a good mood.
As far as cycle length goes, it will be a last minute decision this weekend. Again I feel pretty good overall and healthy. The lean mass is continuing to trickle on steadily and since the prostate symptoms are getting better at night. I feel like I could probably still perform in the bedroom but the drive/interest isn't really there. That's probably the only thing that's gonna convince me to cut this shorter than we all expected.
thebigt
Legend
the only thing that would cause me not to have drive/interest would be looking at oprah or rosie-that would do it!!!
BeBig
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BigT,
Ha Ha. Some days I think you can have her :laugh: Really though, she's a good sport and it'll probably be good for a break from the sac for a week or 2 to keep things fresh afterwards (wow, I'm really trying to justify this LOL)
LaserBlues,
if you just run the Halo solo, most report enhanced libido the whole time. And pct will be smooth. I'm not sure I understand why you want to throw in the SD though?
BeBig,
actually yes, you are right on and this could be stretched to 5 or 6 weeks. I feel like the ejaculoid and form are starting to kick in a bit as well as the increased dosage of the steroids this week. I hope to find out if bedroom function comes back within the next night or 2. Otherwise, I'll have to take in plenty of water to be sure my jaw doesn't cramp up
One last note regarding the prostate symptoms last week... I added in Myodrol, which is a saw palmetto based test booster. And the prostate symptoms are slowly, but steadily improving, especially at night. I wonder if the prostate issues were causing the bedroom problems, rather than assuming it was steroid suppression :think:
Celc: can't remember but did you take some saw palmetto while on cycle?? prior to adding the Myodrol?? I know while I was on epi I ran Saw Palmetto, Hawthorne, and Milk Thistle but I didn't take them at the same time as my epi because I didn't want to fk up the upregulation of the epi...I took them about 2-3 hrs difference from my epi dose...and didn't have the prostate probs or libido probs..
To funny on the jaw crampin up thats one of my favorite things...lol...never has cramped yet...ahhahaaha :sgrin: :lol:
celc5
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Sort of... I take a few caps of cycle assist per day. The regular dose wrecks my stomach so I take it as I can tolerate it (same goes for cycle support and a lot of herbals in general so I blame my own lack of tolerance rather than the product itself). The Myodrol is a hefty dose of SP extract anyhow so maybe I should have been taking it all along???
I take in extra hawthorne berries though. 1-2 caps per day of like 500mg.
On epi or halo solo, I did not have any of these sides. I am just taking in a ton of steroids and it all adds up I suppose
As you can tell, mood is still pretty happy despite the sides as we've discussed throughout :laugh:
celc5
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upper, lower, inner, outer, sideways :laugh: Gastroenterologist never found anything whatsoever and eventually just said don't eat the things that bother you. Must have spent a lot of years in med school to tell me that
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kingjameskjf
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upper, lower, inner, outer, sideways :laugh: Gastroenterologist never found anything whatsoever and eventually just said don't eat the things that bother you. Must have spent a lot of years in med school to tell me that
lol, that sucks! especially coming from a "specialist"
celc5
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From what I can tell, all of the tests were appropriate. We just never came to any conclusion :dunno:
I have some family history of "real" GI disorders. So I'm thankful that I don't have symptoms like my family members. In that case, the negative test results are fine with me as far as I'm concerned :dance:
kingjameskjf
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That can definitely put a different perspective on it. Glad it's not something worse!
celc5
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I was worried about Crohn's, colitis, and diverticulitis. Although, even with some brief googling, I could tell I don't suffer like those people do.
When I actually listen to my doc (and not eat the wrong foods), I don't have any problems. Go figure :laugh:
kingjameskjf
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Those are some nasty ones for sure.
celc5
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So I've really been wracking my brain over whether or not I want to continue with the cycle for another week or 2. One of the things I did was leaf through my old logs and I saw that this is the EXACT same position I've been in every cycle. I'm at the end of week 4, feeling great and proud of my cycle gains and I stretch it to week 5. Then in my updates after pct, I always say the same thing... I should have stopped at 30 days.
So I'm going to heed my own advice and get out while the gettin is good. I believe that Sunday will be the last day of my cycle.
I weighed my pros and cons and believe that I could still gain another 2 pounds of lean mass and maybe 5-10 more pounds on lifts. That is great but I'm not necessarily sure that's worth even slightly more difficult recovery.
So this isn't a surrender. It's more of just trying to be smart for once... before someone dares me to increase dosages again :laugh: :fool2:
So I'm going to heed my own advice and get out while the gettin is good. I believe that Sunday will be the last day of my cycle.
I weighed my pros and cons and believe that I could still gain another 2 pounds of lean mass and maybe 5-10 more pounds on lifts. That is great but I'm not necessarily sure that's worth even slightly more difficult recovery.
So this isn't a surrender. It's more of just trying to be smart for once... before someone dares me to increase dosages again :laugh: :fool2:
thebigt
Legend
have to give you credit for knowing whats best for you.:cheers:
celc5
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One of the best pieces of advice that I ever got was from MulletSoldier during my Phera log (I think it was Mullet... or maybe TripDog, I can't remember). He thought I was sounding burned out and got me to take about 4 days off from the gym mid cycle. SOB, I came back and finished the cycle with a vengeance.
I'm definitely not overtraining now, so this is a different scenario. But I suppose it's a different scenario each individual time.
laserbluess
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sounds good man. its hard not to want to keep going when things are looking so good at the moment. thanks for all the advice on my cycle man.
kingjameskjf
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I know we always want to maximize everything on our cycle and squeeze everything we can from each day but like you said, you've reviewed your logs and have seen what is best from you. I think you're doing it the smart way and watching out for your health.
thebigt
Legend
i agree!!!
ConcreteConny
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Totally agree! There is no need pushing it too far and risk a difficult recovery. I myself actually should have ran my cycle 5weeks instead of pushing it to 6. So I totally feel you on this one man :thumbsup:
//CC
BeBig
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Ya man that definitely could be the issue...hang in there brother...Sort of... I take a few caps of cycle assist per day. The regular dose wrecks my stomach so I take it as I can tolerate it (same goes for cycle support and a lot of herbals in general so I blame my own lack of tolerance rather than the product itself). The Myodrol is a hefty dose of SP extract anyhow so maybe I should have been taking it all along???
I take in extra hawthorne berries though. 1-2 caps per day of like 500mg.
On epi or halo solo, I did not have any of these sides. I am just taking in a ton of steroids and it all adds up I suppose
SOMETIMES docs do know what they talk about lol...
BeBig
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Well man it still was a great run...and YOU know your body better than any of us... :fing02: