Looking to do one bottle of the epi andro gel. Want to limit side effects as much as possible, what dosing do you recommend that get decent results, not looking for a huge gain, just lean bulk and little strength.
What’s the purpose of adding in the 4-Andro? How does it compare to something like Dermacrine in this situation?Sooooo, idk what epiandro gel is but as far as epiandro goes, 300mg of oral is the bare minimum and 150 transdermal is the bare minimum to see results. But, the results are also going to be minimum to non existent running it solo at those doses.
Solo epiandro is kinda silly unless you go 900oral or 450 transdermal.
And even then the results won't be mind blowing.
300mg 4 Andro daily alongside the doses listed above would be much more beneficial and still minimal to no side effects for most people
Dermacrine would be used to counter the effects of low testosterone or more importantly low estrogen. 4 Andro would do the same except it would add more to the cycle in terms of the ability to build or maintain muscleWhat’s the purpose of adding in the 4-Andro? How does it compare to something like Dermacrine in this situation?
So 2 pumps will give you 150mg and will lasts you 45-50 daysLooking to do one bottle of the epi andro gel. Want to limit side effects as much as possible, what dosing do you recommend that get decent results, not looking for a huge gain, just lean bulk and little strength.
Side effects are 100% user dependent, no one can tell you what your side effects are going to be. For the large majority of people there should be no side effects of that dose. But your results will be minimal to the point that I personally do not find it worthwhile. You don't want to screw with your hormones for little to no results. Also I hope you have some nolva on hand because this is going to suppress your natural testosterone production.What results with 2 pumps? Any side effects?
So, you Stack 2 source of Epi ?So 2 pumps will give you 150mg and will lasts you 45-50 days
I’ve ran this and loved it but for experienced I would stack this with a 300mg cap of stanoplex
For you .. if u don’t plan on getting anything else run 2 pumps after shower
Yep, many do. Oral version has more pronounced fast acting effect. TD and oral Epiandro go great together.So
So, you Stack 2 source of Epi ?
Nice idea about Dermacrine, but what is the composition ? ( Not notified in PowerMy)
Yup alot of people do .. TD epi andro + stano-plex is pretty awesomeSo
So, you Stack 2 source of Epi ?
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This is what I would say. 4 andro is a better option as it adds to the cycle and for most low sides. Dermacrine would have almost no sides and limit lethargy.Dermacrine would be used to counter the effects of low testosterone or more importantly low estrogen. 4 Andro would do the same except it would add more to the cycle in terms of the ability to build or maintain muscle
Something I've found that might interest you and a lot of ppl is that guys who blast and cruise for a extended period or have been on trt for years usually start to have problems with dhea, pregnenolone ect. They also may have bottomed out there shbg for too long. Using something like dermacrine along side the trt seems to help bring those things back to normal. A even better approach might to run a course of hcg and then follow up with the dermacrine. Or follow up with some dhea and pregnenoloneThis is what I would say. 4 andro is a better option as it adds to the cycle and for most low sides. Dermacrine would have almost no sides and limit lethargy.
Just a heads up, you might wanna dose slightly higher then the recommended dose. 5-6 pumps was the Sweet spot for me back when I regularly used thos stuff+1 KvanH
Yes, i think should use for start a basic dosage, like 5 for the begining ! ThksJust a heads up, you might wanna dose slightly higher then the recommended dose. 5-6 pumps was the Sweet spot for me back when I regularly used thos stuff
Is 8 weeks ok to run the andro the giant plus stanoplex??Sooooo, idk what epiandro gel is but as far as epiandro goes, 300mg of oral is the bare minimum and 150 transdermal is the bare minimum to see results. But, the results are also going to be minimum to non existent running it solo at those doses.
Solo epiandro is kinda silly unless you go 900oral or 450 transdermal.
And even then the results won't be mind blowing.
300mg 4 Andro daily alongside the doses listed above would be much more beneficial and still minimal to no side effects for most people
90 + 100mg i believe per pump = 190mgHow much mg would I get from 1 pump IF Epiandro and Apex Stanogen?
Also, what would you suggest if I run into any gyno issues? And pct?Sooooo, idk what epiandro gel is but as far as epiandro goes, 300mg of oral is the bare minimum and 150 transdermal is the bare minimum to see results. But, the results are also going to be minimum to non existent running it solo at those doses.
Solo epiandro is kinda silly unless you go 900oral or 450 transdermal.
And even then the results won't be mind blowing.
300mg 4 Andro daily alongside the doses listed above would be much more beneficial and still minimal to no side effects for most people
8 weeks is standard for an andro cycleIs 8 weeks ok to run the andro the giant plus stanoplex??
Awesome thanks man.8 weeks is standard for an andro cycle
Have everything on hand before you start.Awesome thanks man.
I'm trying to put together my standard anti gyno regimen now. Would you go real pct and AI? Or AI and natty pct? Or no AI and just real pct ? Still researching. Any help is appreciated!
No, you’d want 330 of each.Ok, each on their own or with each other?
1-andro : 165 + 4-andro 165 for example ?
OK ok right ! TYNo, you’d want 330 of each.
Yes i agree,A drawback of this cycle is the expense
Typically those two are stacked together.
I ran epiandro and 1 andro, and it was good, but had I added in 4 andro or at least dermacrine it would have been better.
1 andro can be very suppressive and lethargy inducing and 4 andro or dermacrine would combat that, quite a bit. Apex Alchemy makes Hyperion which would work well too, it wasn’t available when I ran 1 andro.
I would definitely add the 1-Andro myself (or other anabolic). 300 mg may not be enough. It's a good place to start, but I would recommend having enough on hand to be able to up the dose, if felt like it. I prefer topicals for all andros myself.Im 31. 5'11" 220. I plan on running topical 4 andro and stanogen for sure. 600mg stano. 300mg 4 andro.
Now I'm interested in 300 mg 1 andro as well.
I've never heard of exemestane. I will look into. I've heard of some other AIs.
Do we think Nolva 20 20 10 10 would be sufficient?
I may have low T. I'm currently 7 weeks into AE Mtest and Epiplex and BYLD and I recently noticed less libido. Even though I don't get how this natty stack would be suppressive.
Of course I will also have some cycle assist, would I need any other precautionary supps?
J’ajouterais certainement le 1-Andro moi-même (ou un autre anabolisant). 300 mg peuvent ne pas suffire. C’est un bon point de départ, mais je recommanderais d’en avoir assez sous la main pour pouvoir augmenter la dose, si vous en avez envie. Je préfère les topiques pour tous les andros moi-même.
Nolva 20/20/10/10 devrait être bien pour une course andro de 8 semaines dans la plupart des cas. Seules les analyses de sang raconteraient toute l’histoire.
Vous avez peut-être entendu Exemestane appelé par son nom de marque Aromasin? C’est une IA pharmaceutique / RC et probablement le meilleur choix pour de nombreux cas.
La libido peut basculer et il pourrait y avoir une foule de raisons différentes pour qu’elle change. Les aspects mentaux n’étant pas la moindre des raisons. Je n’essaierais pas d’estimer la production de tests en fonction de la libido. Aucun de ces supps ne devrait supprimer votre production de T. M-Test est conçu pour améliorer les équilibres hormonaux, mais les réponses varient individuellement. Il est donc possible que cela affecte négativement votre libido, mais généralement les gens rapportent l’effet inverse.
SERM PCT est le principal « accessoire ». Les supps de support de cycle ne sont jamais une mauvaise idée. Tout le reste est très agréable d’avoir des trucs. Comme un supp de contrôle du cortisol dans le PCT, T-booster dans le PCT.
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I would definitely add the 1-Andro myself (or other anabolic). 300 mg may not be enough. It's a good place to start, but I would recommend having enough on hand to be able to up the dose, if felt like it. I prefer topicals for all andros myself.
Nolva 20/20/10/10 should be fine for an 8 week andro run in most cases. Only bloodwork would tell the whole story though.
You may have heard Exemestane called by it's brand name of Aromasin? It's a pharma/RC AI and probably the best choice for many cases.
Libido can swing and there could be a host of different reasons for it to change. Mental aspects not being the least common of reasons. I wouldn't try to estimate test production based on libido. None of those supps should suppress your T production. M-Test is designed to improve hormonal balances, but responses vary individually. So it's possible for it to affect your libido negatively, but typically people report the opposite effect.
SERM PCT is the main 'accessory'. Cycle support supps are never a bad idea. Everything else is extra nice to have stuff. Like a cortisol control supp in PCT, T-booster in PCT..
Appreciate the help fellas!I would definitely add the 1-Andro myself (or other anabolic). 300 mg may not be enough. It's a good place to start, but I would recommend having enough on hand to be able to up the dose, if felt like it. I prefer topicals for all andros myself.
Nolva 20/20/10/10 should be fine for an 8 week andro run in most cases. Only bloodwork would tell the whole story though.
You may have heard Exemestane called by it's brand name of Aromasin? It's a pharma/RC AI and probably the best choice for many cases.
Libido can swing and there could be a host of different reasons for it to change. Mental aspects not being the least common of reasons. I wouldn't try to estimate test production based on libido. None of those supps should suppress your T production. M-Test is designed to improve hormonal balances, but responses vary individually. So it's possible for it to affect your libido negatively, but typically people report the opposite effect.
SERM PCT is the main 'accessory'. Cycle support supps are never a bad idea. Everything else is extra nice to have stuff. Like a cortisol control supp in PCT, T-booster in PCT..
Appreciate the help fellas!
I just put the order in for 3 bottles of TD 4andro and 2 bottles of TD 1andro. I'll try 600 stano oral. 300 1andro topical. and 300 4andro topical.
I'll go ahead and put in the order for Nolva and Aromasin! Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
So my accessories will be CEL cycle assist, vitamin D, preworkout, creatine, multi. (maybe BYLD)
I'll see how Im feeling and use aromasin if necessary. For PCT i'll run nolva, Mtest, AE, and SNS cortisol supp. (maybe BYLD)
I'll go ahead and get the bloodwork done here soon. Or maybe toward the end of the andro run. But eventually i'll be responsible and get the bloodwork.
I'm excited, thanks again everyone
The 300 mg minimun doses are for oral Andros. For TD's you can halve the starting dose. More is many times better with Andros, but I wouldn't start with 300 mg TD 1-Andro. Rather 150-200 mg and see how things go and be ready to up the dose. I've done fine running suppressive compounds with 150 mg of 4-Andro TD. It was better for me, than 300 mg oral. But 300 mg of TD 4-Andro is not crazy or anything, just not necessary. With 1-Andro you may run in to some not so fun sides with 300 mg TD.Appreciate the help fellas!
I just put the order in for 3 bottles of TD 4andro and 2 bottles of TD 1andro. I'll try 600 stano oral. 300 1andro topical. and 300 4andro topical.
I'll go ahead and put in the order for Nolva and Aromasin! Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
So my accessories will be CEL cycle assist, vitamin D, preworkout, creatine, multi. (maybe BYLD)
I'll see how Im feeling and use aromasin if necessary. For PCT i'll run nolva, Mtest, AE, and SNS cortisol supp. (maybe BYLD)
I'll go ahead and get the bloodwork done here soon. Or maybe toward the end of the andro run. But eventually i'll be responsible and get the bloodwork.
I'm excited, thanks again everyone
Option for what? In this Andro stack -scenario, if you want to replace something with it, it would be Epiandro. Both work via increasing DHT, but the effects are still quite different.Do you think that PROVIRON is a Option too ?
Ok yeah I read the suggested use wrong. So IML says 100mg twice daily. and IML 4andro says 75mg 2-4 times daily. So yeah i'll likely start on the lower end and see how that does.The 300 mg minimun doses are for oral Andros. For TD's you can halve the starting dose. More is many times better with Andros, but I wouldn't start with 300 mg TD 1-Andro. Rather 150-200 mg and see how things go and be ready to up the dose. I've done fine running suppressive compounds with 150 mg of 4-Andro TD. It was better for me, than 300 mg oral. But 300 mg of TD 4-Andro is not crazy or anything, just not necessary. With 1-Andro you may run in to some not so fun sides with 300 mg TD.
If you want to check hormonal values and how you've recovered via blood test, then you need to draw blood before the start of your cycle, so you have baseline values to compare after the run.
Yep i mean Proviron during the PCT ?Option for what? In this Andro stack -scenario, if you want to replace something with it, it would be Epiandro. Both work via increasing DHT, but the effects are still quite different.
It wouldn't replace the anabolism of 1-Andro. It wouldn't replace the sex hormone conversion of 4-Andro. I wouldn't rely on it as an estrogen control back up. I wouldn't add it to PCT.
I wouldn't use it myself. It's an exogenous androgen and can be / is midly suppressive to test production.No Proviron during the PCT ?
I wouldn't use it myself. It's an exogenous androgen and can be / is midly suppressive to test production.
I've heard guys using it on PCT sometimes though, so they have estimated the positives to outweigh the negatives for them. I have tried it once myself in the first 2 weeks of PCT to combat low libido and mood and I think the PCT went fine. But on a theoretical level, it's not a good addition, when you're trying to get your endogenous test production back up asap. But I guess in practice the positives can outweigh the negatives. All I'm saying is I wouldn't add it to PCT myself. But I'm not strongly against it either.
You already have quite a bit of TD's to apply and Ursa shines on a cut. So I would personally save it for your next cut or add it to PCT to help minimize fat gain. Be sure to eat enough and train your a$$ off on PCT, so you'll keep as much of the gains as possible made on cycle.I also have some Ursa Major that I've never used. Stack with the Andro stack? or wait for down the road?
Will do man. Appreciate all of the tips.You already have quite a bit of TD's to apply and Ursa shines on a cut. So I would personally save it for your next cut or add it to PCT to help minimize fat gain. Make sure to eat enough and train your a$$ off on PCT, so you'll keep as much of the gains as possible made on cycle.